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* Is keeping a car 50 years frugal? - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* supreme court to determine obama presidential eligibilty - 1 messages, 1
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* Kennedy, Dodd, all the old farts sat around when our steel and electronics
business went offshore. Now they want to "save" the Big 3! - 1 messages, 1
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* Folks, this is a real depression, protect your assets - 3 messages, 3
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* Please Join New FSBO Google Group - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Is keeping a car 50 years frugal?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/973c7ade053ebb0f?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 9 2008 4:51 pm
From: "Daniel T."
Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Daniel T." <daniel_t@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > "Daniel T." <daniel_t@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm not so sure about that. Also remember, it is in Consumer
> > > > Reports best interest to inflate the differences in quality
> > > > between manufactures. If the came out with a report that said
> > > > that all car makes were near the same in quality, no one would
> > > > need their magizine anymore.
> > >
> > > Aren't you the same guy who was railing about conspiracy
> > > theories in another thread? Sheesh, PKB.
> >
> > What's your point?
>
> Just trying to figure out which wild-eyed conspiracy theories are on
> your Approved List and which are not.
What "wild-eyed conspiracy theory" are you talking about? I've sided
with none that I know of.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 9 2008 8:38 pm
From: "Roger Shoaf"
"The Real Bev" <bashley101+M@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ghjj8e$p23$1@news.motzarella.org...
>
> Something essential that can't be replaced breaks. Case in point: leaf
> springs for a 1960 Ford station wagon. The ones in the wrecking yard
> are just as rotten as the ones you have and you can't find any new ones
> no matter how hard you look.
>
If I needed leaf springs for a 60 Ford, I would go to a spring shop and have
them make me a set. These would be brand new, and if for some reason the
factory design was deficient for some reason, they could remedy that also.
You can also get drive shafts built from scratch and have starters,
alternators and carburetors overhauled.
--
Roger Shoaf
About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.
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TOPIC: supreme court to determine obama presidential eligibilty
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 9 2008 5:12 pm
From: "Dave"
>> I'm not applying to be President of the U.S. Let someone who wants that
>> job
>> do the proving that he's eligible. -Dave
>
> It seems to me that the one making the accusation is the one who needs
> to do the proving.
When was the last time you wanted a job where you did not have to prove
yourself eligible and capable of doing the job? -Dave
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TOPIC: Kennedy, Dodd, all the old farts sat around when our steel and
electronics business went offshore. Now they want to "save" the Big 3!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/ae7ede76c46e3f5b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 9 2008 5:24 pm
From: MSfortune@mcpmail.com
On Dec 7, 2:59 pm, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:43:42 -0800 (PST), hp...@lycos.com wrote:
> >Oh, my how they scramble. Topping it off is the lisping Barney Frank
> >demanding support for Detroit. I recall when our steel mills were
> >working, I recall ships being launched, I recall American made TV
> >sets. So fuck the Wall Street maggots and those Chamber of Commerce
> >whores. Bring on that Chinese 4dr mid-size fuel effiicient vehicle
> >with all the bells and whistles for $12,000.00!
>
> >mitch
>
> The proposed "bailout or loan" is doomed to failure. Watch Detroit
> come back for more claiming that the initial loans will be lost if
> more public monies are not forthcoming. I say let the system work.
> Bankruptacy should be an orderly process. From a practical standpoint
> just buy American-made Hondas and Toyotas! And you are so right
> about the banker-class and outsources American jobs. Let the games
> begin!!!!
>
> ted
Ted Kennedy wants to make sure all new GM cars can float.
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TOPIC: Folks, this is a real depression, protect your assets
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 9 2008 5:44 pm
From: "ares"
> How about constructing an entire, from the ground up, magnificent world
> class university campus and support community, worthy of being called 'The
> University of the United States of America'..... 80K students all of whom
> get a free education if qualified by way of competitive exam, and who
> continue to be qualified for the entire term of their studies. You screw
> up, you're out, period. Follow that by a commitment of 2 years of public
> service to get a feel for the real world...and as a little payback.
>
> That's my kind of socialism. :-)
>
> What would be the ROI on that?
>
> LA
Educating them to do what? What do we do with the unqualified kids?
Perhaps everyone getting freebies from the government should have a
commitment
for public service as a little payback....
ares
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 9 2008 8:08 pm
From: Jeffrey Turner
Dave wrote:
>
>>
>>> Great. When unemployment goes over 50%, who is going to need roads and
>>> bridges to get to boarded-up factories and office parks?
>>
>> You assume facts not in evidence. If indeed, unemployment goes over 50%,
>> there will be huge problems.
>
> Expect huge problems. Current unemployment is about 17% (and
> misreported as close to 7%). Forecasts are for unemployment to go much
> higher. 50% is not out of reach. I will be shocked if we don't shatter
> 25% unemployment in the U.S. before 2010 (even though it will probably
> be misreported as 12-13%), and mildly surprised if we can avoid 50%
> before 2011.
>
>> If that is your only response, then you are
>> not really worth the time it takes to read your posts.
>
> You'd rather bury your head in the sand and hope for the best? Hey, my
> viewpoint is optimistic. Sorry if it scares you.
>
>
>> Your response seems to be the same: Hiring people to build
>> infrastructure
>> will not lessen unemployment.
>
> Ummmm...how to say this gently? It is also a pyramid scheme. We can't
> artificially create jobs (like government improving infrastructure),
> because we need EMPLOYED people to pay taxes to do so!!! This is so
> obvious, it shouldn't even need to be pointed out to someone who can THINK.
People who are building infrastructure are employed. Your ignorance of
economics fills books. I suggest you buy one and read it. Better yet,
take a course at your local community college.
>>> > What if the rail systems were
>>> > modernized?
>>
>>> A rail system is a vacuum which sucks up all the commuters' money to
>>> subsidize cheap tickets for the very few people who want to use it.
>>
>> I was thinking of rail for transport of goods.
>
> Not a bad idea, if we had thousands of trillions of dollars to maintain
> current lines and build new ones. I saw an estimate somewhere on how
> much money we'd have to spend just to MAINTAIN current rail lines which
> are (currently) near peak capacity. I don't remember the exact figure,
> but it had a lot of zeros. Basically, to improve the rail system, we'd
> have to throw more money at the rail system than we've thrown at the
> fiasco in Iraq.
But we'd have a shiny new rail system for the money.
>> If you look at reality, the Bosotn MBTA has had record ridership since
>> gas
>> prices soared. The increase has abated, but has not gone down to
>> pre-increase levels.
>
> And outside of urban areas like Boston? There are a few urban areas
> where light rail almost (but doesn't) makes sense. Even in THOSE few
> areas, ticket prices do not begin to reflect operating costs. If the
> riders of light rail had to pay to maintain the light rail (reflected in
> MUCH higher ticket costs), light rail would die a gruesome death,
> literally overnight. And that would be true with gasoline at
> $10/gallon. Most of the cost of operating light rail is paid by people
> who never go near the light rail system.
Cars and highways are subsidized much more than light rail.
>> If you haven't noticed, the vast majority of busiesses have stayed in
>> business.
>
> Oh yeah, the ones that aren't planning chapter 11 soon are slashing jobs
> to avoid filing chapter 11. I guess if you only need to lay off 70% of
> your workforce, you are "still in business" though. :)
>
>
>>> There is nothing "wrong" with improving infrastructure. But that, by
>>> itself, won't increase employment.
>>
>> By itself? Why do you conceive things in a vacuum?
>
> Ask Obama. IT'S HIS PLAN. -Dave
No, it's your idiotlogical blinders.
--Jeff
--
I learned that ... the most grinding
poverty is a trifling evil compared
with the inequality of classes.
--William Morris
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 9 2008 9:07 pm
From: "Dave"
>>
>> Ummmm...how to say this gently? It is also a pyramid scheme. We can't
>> artificially create jobs (like government improving infrastructure),
>> because we need EMPLOYED people to pay taxes to do so!!! This is so
>> obvious, it shouldn't even need to be pointed out to someone who can
>> THINK.
>
> People who are building infrastructure are employed.
OK, let's break this down so that the SLOW among us can understand it:
- Person A is employed by the government to improve infrastructure.
- Person B is employed, but not employed by the government.
- Person B pays taxes to the government so that person A can be employed by
the government.
- With the government focusing on infrastructure and ignoring anything that
might actually be helpful to the economy, unemployment figures continue to
rise.
- Eventually, unemployment catches up to Person B.
- Now who is paying taxes to the government so that the government can
employ person A?
- Oh SHIT!!!
Greatly simplified of course, but soon there will not be enough "B's" to
support the "A's". It is (I believe I wrote this before) a PYRAMID SCHEME.
>
> But we'd have a shiny new rail system for the money.
And nobody would want to use it. Kinda like polishing a turd. It's still a
turd.
> Cars and highways are subsidized much more than light rail.
Subsidized by WHO, exactly? Oh yeah... the car and highway users!!!! Hard
to object to your money being spent on what you want it to be spent on.
Hardly anybody wants to use light rail, so we shouldn't be subsidizing that
AT ALL.
>> Ask Obama. IT'S HIS PLAN.
>
> No, it's your idiotlogical blinders.
Are you calling Obama a liar? I'm taking Obama at his word that his plan to
turn the economy around is to increase taxes sky high and use the money to
hire people to improve infrastructure. -Dave
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 9 2008 7:53 pm
From: Realtor Rich
There's a new group...FSBO FORUM at: http://groups.google.com/group/fsbo-forum
and you are invited!
Add your experience sellling your own home. Answer someone's
questions,
Lets help the for sale by owners out!
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