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Thursday, January 15, 2009

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TOPIC: Click n Clack say, don't buy a new car.
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 15 2009 1:41 pm
From: "Dave"

> I remember looking at some used Camrys when we bought a new one. A one
> year old Camry was about $1000 more than a new one, a two year old was
> about $500 more than a new one, and a three year old was about
> $500-$1000 less than a new one,

You noticed that too? I remember being on a Honda dealer's lot, and used
Accords were priced thousands higher than new ones. WHAT?!? -Dave

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 15 2009 3:17 pm
From: "ares"

Maybe for THEM because maybe they know how to fix their own cars.
I always buy new because it usually gives me a good 3 years of worry free
driving. A used one
is that much closer to a big repair. And yeah, I also noticed that you can
get new Toyotas for
just a tad more than a used one so why buy used there? I was disappointed
with my last Corolla
wagon; a 90; its transmission went out at little over 82,000 miles but I
have this feeling that a
mechanic tampered with it during an oil change because the exact same thing
happened to a friend
who had an oil change there.
ares

"Dave" <noway1@noway2.not> wrote in message
news:gkoah6$7jl$1@news.motzarella.org...
>> I remember looking at some used Camrys when we bought a new one. A one
>> year old Camry was about $1000 more than a new one, a two year old was
>> about $500 more than a new one, and a three year old was about
>> $500-$1000 less than a new one,
>
> You noticed that too? I remember being on a Honda dealer's lot, and used
> Accords were priced thousands higher than new ones. WHAT?!? -Dave
>
>

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 15 2009 3:52 pm
From: clams_casino

SMS wrote:

> doc marten wrote:
>
>> Yes, they said it in their latest column.
>> That it's Never cheaper even in the long run to buy a New Car.
>
>
> They are mistaken. You need to do a spreadsheet of depreciation,
> reliability and predicted out of warranty repair costs, and the street
> price of the vehicle new versus used.
>
> It's true that if you're going to buy a vehicle with terrible resale
> value, i.e. something from the big 3 or one of the second tier
> Japanese manufacturers, you're probably better off buying used. If
> you're buying a three year old Toyota or Honda you're paying a big
> premium for the brand name yet you're getting no warranty.
> Furthermore, someone selling a three year old Honda or Toyota is
> likely the type of person that paid way too much for it when it was
> new, and is counting on someone that would be overpaying for a new one
> to buy his or her used one.
>
> I remember looking at some used Camrys when we bought a new one. A one
> year old Camry was about $1000 more than a new one, a two year old was
> about $500 more than a new one, and a three year old was about
> $500-$1000 less than a new one, depending on the mileage. Even though
> it was a Toyota, there was still one warranty repair we needed,
> something that was a common failure on that generation of Toyota. Had
> we bought the three year old model and saved $500, we would have paid
> for a $400 repair.
>

This has been hashed & rehashed numerous times on this newsgroup. IMO,
it really depends on one's annual mileage & need for dependability.
Low usage drivers (especially <10k) who don't travel far from home with
mostly daytime driving will likely do best with used vehicles. High
mileage drivers (perhaps 25k/yr ore more) tend to do best with new
vehicles, either trading them at perhaps 100k or using them as a second
car after 100k while driving them into the ground..

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 15 2009 3:53 pm
From: clams_casino

Dave wrote:

>>I remember looking at some used Camrys when we bought a new one. A one
>>year old Camry was about $1000 more than a new one, a two year old was
>>about $500 more than a new one, and a three year old was about
>>$500-$1000 less than a new one,
>>
>>
>
>You noticed that too? I remember being on a Honda dealer's lot, and used
>Accords were priced thousands higher than new ones. WHAT?!? -Dave
>
>
>
>
The tax & insurance costs can make such vehicles attractive to low
mileage drivers.

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 15 2009 4:16 pm
From: "Daniel T."

doc marten <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote:

> Yes, they said it in their latest column.
> That it's Never cheaper even in the long run to buy a New Car.
> and it you want proof.
> get their book "How to buy a great used car",, you might find it on'
> www.cartalk.com

Sure, that's almost always true, but it's also cheeper to live like a
bum, that doesn't mean I want to do it.

--
Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
-- Antoine de Saint-Exupery

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 15 2009 4:23 pm
From: "Daniel T."

clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:

> Low usage drivers (especially <10k) who don't travel far from home with
> mostly daytime driving will likely do best with used vehicles. High
> mileage drivers (perhaps 25k/yr ore more) tend to do best with new
> vehicles, either trading them at perhaps 100k or using them as a second
> car after 100k while driving them into the ground..

So you think a person who is driving his car 25K a year or more, and has
a car that has about 100K on it, but works perfectly, should trade it in
for a brand new car?

--
Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
-- Antoine de Saint-Exupery

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 15 2009 4:58 pm
From: clams_casino

Daniel T. wrote:

>clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Low usage drivers (especially <10k) who don't travel far from home with
>>mostly daytime driving will likely do best with used vehicles. High
>>mileage drivers (perhaps 25k/yr ore more) tend to do best with new
>>vehicles, either trading them at perhaps 100k or using them as a second
>>car after 100k while driving them into the ground..
>>
>>
>
>So you think a person who is driving his car 25K a year or more, and has
>a car that has about 100K on it, but works perfectly, should trade it in
>for a brand new car?
>
>
>
Depends on how important the dependability factor is. For me, no.
I'd keep it as my primary car until about 150k and then use it as a
secondary car.

But for perhaps a sales rep, etc making numerous calls over a wide
territory, it's probably better to stay with a car <100k. For someone
just commuting to work, I'd push for at least 150k before retiring it
to a second vehicle, passing it onto a child, etc..

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 15 2009 5:23 pm
From: "Lou"

"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
news:8ZQbl.53964$3_4.45492@newsfe10.iad...
> Daniel T. wrote:
>
> >clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Low usage drivers (especially <10k) who don't travel far from home with
> >>mostly daytime driving will likely do best with used vehicles. High
> >>mileage drivers (perhaps 25k/yr ore more) tend to do best with new
> >>vehicles, either trading them at perhaps 100k or using them as a second
> >>car after 100k while driving them into the ground..
> >>
> >>
> >
> >So you think a person who is driving his car 25K a year or more, and has
> >a car that has about 100K on it, but works perfectly, should trade it in
> >for a brand new car?
> >
> >
> >
> Depends on how important the dependability factor is. For me, no.
> I'd keep it as my primary car until about 150k and then use it as a
> secondary car.
>
> But for perhaps a sales rep, etc making numerous calls over a wide
> territory, it's probably better to stay with a car <100k. For someone
> just commuting to work, I'd push for at least 150k before retiring it
> to a second vehicle, passing it onto a child, etc..

Again, it depends. My wife and I are way past the point where we'd have a
child to pass a car to, we've been empty nesters for over 20 years. We each
need a car for commuting to work - my commute alone is around 20,000 miles a
year, and my wife's is around 30,000. The best thing I can think of to do
with an older, miles getting up there car is trade it in, either as a
straight trade or sell it and use the money for a down payment. The last
thing the two of us need is a third car. And neither of us wants to be
caught 40+ miles from home in a car that suddenly isn't working (happened
once, that was plenty).

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 15 2009 5:48 pm
From: clams_casino

Lou wrote:

>"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
>news:8ZQbl.53964$3_4.45492@newsfe10.iad...
>
>
>>Daniel T. wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Low usage drivers (especially <10k) who don't travel far from home with
>>>>mostly daytime driving will likely do best with used vehicles. High
>>>>mileage drivers (perhaps 25k/yr ore more) tend to do best with new
>>>>vehicles, either trading them at perhaps 100k or using them as a second
>>>>car after 100k while driving them into the ground..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>So you think a person who is driving his car 25K a year or more, and has
>>>a car that has about 100K on it, but works perfectly, should trade it in
>>>for a brand new car?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Depends on how important the dependability factor is. For me, no.
>>I'd keep it as my primary car until about 150k and then use it as a
>>secondary car.
>>
>>But for perhaps a sales rep, etc making numerous calls over a wide
>>territory, it's probably better to stay with a car <100k. For someone
>>just commuting to work, I'd push for at least 150k before retiring it
>>to a second vehicle, passing it onto a child, etc..
>>
>>
>
>Again, it depends. My wife and I are way past the point where we'd have a
>child to pass a car to, we've been empty nesters for over 20 years. We each
>need a car for commuting to work - my commute alone is around 20,000 miles a
>year, and my wife's is around 30,000. The best thing I can think of to do
>with an older, miles getting up there car is trade it in, either as a
>straight trade or sell it and use the money for a down payment. The last
>thing the two of us need is a third car. And neither of us wants to be
>caught 40+ miles from home in a car that suddenly isn't working (happened
>once, that was plenty).
>
>
>
>
So when would you trade? What are you considering as "getting up there"?

I passed on my 2000 Accord to family member at 150k who is approaching
200k with negligible problems.

Agree that one really doesn't want to break down 40+ miles from home,
especially at night. Did that once (belt broke on my Chrysler). Now I
carry a cell phone when away from the local area.

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 15 2009 7:46 pm
From: "Daniel T."

SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> doc marten wrote:

> > Yes, they said it in their latest column.
> > That it's Never cheaper even in the long run to buy a New Car.
>
> They are mistaken. You need to do a spreadsheet of depreciation,
> reliability and predicted out of warranty repair costs, and the street
> price of the vehicle new versus used.
>
> It's true that if you're going to buy a vehicle with terrible resale
> value, i.e. something from the big 3 or one of the second tier Japanese
> manufacturers, you're probably better off buying used. If you're buying
> a three year old Toyota or Honda you're paying a big premium for the
> brand name yet you're getting no warranty. Furthermore, someone selling
> a three year old Honda or Toyota is likely the type of person that paid
> way too much for it when it was new, and is counting on someone that
> would be overpaying for a new one to buy his or her used one.
>
> I remember looking at some used Camrys when we bought a new one. A one
> year old Camry was about $1000 more than a new one, a two year old was
> about $500 more than a new one, and a three year old was about
> $500-$1000 less than a new one, depending on the mileage. Even though it
> was a Toyota, there was still one warranty repair we needed, something
> that was a common failure on that generation of Toyota. Had we bought
> the three year old model and saved $500, we would have paid for a $400
> repair.

Why did you choose to buy a car, rather than keep the one you had?
Unless your car had serious frame damage, there was a third choice you
weren't seeing, which was probably less expensive.

--
Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
-- Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 15 2009 3:40 pm
From: clams_casino

me@privacy.net wrote:

>clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>No wonder they have to
>>pay celebrities to push on infomercials & sell it via Walmart. It's
>>crap. DON'T even think about it.
>>
>>
>
>Ok thanks so much for heads up!
>
>I will stick with HP printer then
>
>
I picked up an HP 3-in-1 4480 printer at Staples for $50 on black
Friday afternoon - haven't had a jam, misfeed, problem yet after about
two reams of printings.

Only observation is that it does use more ink than I think it needs for
the draft setting, but it runs so problem free that I'll overlook some
extra ink usage.

I thought about giving away my Kodak printer, but couldn't come up with
someone I hated that much.

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TOPIC: Frugal changes that save more than $100 per month
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 15 2009 3:47 pm
From: clams_casino

John A. Weeks III wrote:

>In article <anvum45kfta1gv4l4br5n7jkb710f4helu@4ax.com>, me@privacy.net
>wrote:
>
>
>
>>I'm curious how many of you are TRACKING your finances
>>using Quicken on the computer?
>>use an online service like mint.com?
>>
>>
>
>Unless you have a mega-corporation to manage, why not just
>do it in a small spreadsheet? Or a yellow note pad? How
>complex could this be? You have a couple of bank accounts,
>a small stack of bills, a few credit cards, and a 401K
>statement. If you are doing more than that, then you are
>really over-thinking the process.
>
>-john-
>
>
>
Agree - We've tracked all expenses via a budget book - simply noting all
expenses in about ten categories on a daily basis & adding the figures
monthly. It takes so little time that I'm not sure how a computer
program would be faster, except perhaps in adding the columns. It would
certainly be more time consuming to enter the numbers. I use one column
to track all charges to compare with the bill when it arrives, although
I've not had more than a couple of minor discrepancies over many years..

It's basically a spreadsheet done manually that comes in handy at the
end of the year for taxes as well as having an understanding of where
all the money goes (by general category, not specific to place)..

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 15 2009 4:46 pm
From: tweeny90655@mypacks.net

On Jan 15, 6:47 pm, clams_casino
>
> >Unless you have a mega-corporation to manage, why not just
> >do it in a small spreadsheet? Or a yellow note pad? How
> >complex could this be? You have a couple of bank accounts,
> >a small stack of bills, a few credit cards, and a 401K
> >statement. If you are doing more than that, then you are
> >really over-thinking the process.

Quicken lets you answer questions like ..."What was the name of that
plumber we used in 1993?" "What did I pay for gas in 1999?"" Where
was that nice Greek resto we ate at on the way to Aunt Sue's in 1995?"
Beats poring over spreadsheets which probably won't have all the facts
Quicken can store. Dynamite come tax time. Indispensible if you wanna
really know how you're spending your money. You can even track cash
if you are diligent about recording it.
Balancing your checkbook takes only a few minutes. I'd hate to
lose my Quicken.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 15 2009 5:01 pm
From: clams_casino

tweeny90655@mypacks.net wrote:

>On Jan 15, 6:47 pm, clams_casino
>
>
>>>Unless you have a mega-corporation to manage, why not just
>>>do it in a small spreadsheet? Or a yellow note pad? How
>>>complex could this be? You have a couple of bank accounts,
>>>a small stack of bills, a few credit cards, and a 401K
>>>statement. If you are doing more than that, then you are
>>>really over-thinking the process.
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
>Quicken lets you answer questions like ..."What was the name of that
>plumber we used in 1993?" "What did I pay for gas in 1999?"" Where
>was that nice Greek resto we ate at on the way to Aunt Sue's in 1995?"
>Beats poring over spreadsheets which probably won't have all the facts
>Quicken can store. Dynamite come tax time. Indispensible if you wanna
>really know how you're spending your money. You can even track cash
>if you are diligent about recording it.
> Balancing your checkbook takes only a few minutes. I'd hate to
>lose my Quicken.
>
>

Sounds like a lot more work than I'd care to do. Who really cares what
it cost to have lunch on 6/3/98?

Of course, a lot depends on the type / deductions one needs to track.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 15 2009 7:21 pm
From: Dave Garland

tweeny90655@mypacks.net wrote:
> You can even track cash
> if you are diligent about recording it.

It's not hard to track cash, if you are diligent about recording it.
Therein lies the rub. For most of us, diligence lasts several hours,
maybe even a day or two.

But y'know, that plumber I used in 1993, he's probably dead by now, he
was pretty old and very overweight (his bit of wisdom was that to keep
your drains in good order, put some coffee grounds in them every once
in a while; I have no idea if that actually accomplishes anything or
not, my drains work pretty well even though I don't do it). Last I
heard, my roofer (who did a fine job at a reasonable price) was
driving a UPS truck. So I don't have any great reason to keep that
kind of track.

Dave

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 15 2009 5:16 pm
From: Marsha

It's been really cold here, below zero, and we have about a foot of snow
on the ground. Our 12-year-lab was just outside for less than one
minute and she started limping from the cold. We bought booties for her
a couple years ago, because she had the same problem, but they started
leaking and we threw them out. We also thought, in retrospect, that the
problem was salt on her paws, so we didn't replace the booties. We now
know it wasn't a salt problem. I plan on getting new booties tomorrow
after work, but that doesn't help now. Anyone have any quick solutions
to keep her paws from freezing when she has to go out?

Thanks a bunch.
Marsha

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 15 2009 5:37 pm
From: im.1.maxaluminum@xoxy.net

On Jan 15, 8:16 pm, Marsha <m...@xeb.net> wrote:
> It's been really cold here, below zero, and we have about a foot of snow
> on the ground. Our 12-year-lab was just outside for less than one
> minute and she started limping from the cold. We bought booties for her
> a couple years ago, because she had the same problem, but they started
> leaking and we threw them out. We also thought, in retrospect, that the
> problem was salt on her paws, so we didn't replace the booties. We now
> know it wasn't a salt problem. I plan on getting new booties tomorrow
> after work, but that doesn't help now. Anyone have any quick solutions
> to keep her paws from freezing when she has to go out?
>
> Thanks a bunch.
> Marsha

That's what dogs do in cold. She will be OK. But you can use some old
socks and rubberbands on her feet. Kid's socks would work nicely. It's
not so much that ice and snow get in her feet as it is the cold on the
pads of her feet. Dogs get soft like people. As I say, the short time
will only be an inconvenience to her.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 15 2009 6:05 pm
From: Steve Daniels

On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:16:00 -0500, against all advice, something
compelled Marsha <mas@xeb.net>, to say:

> Anyone have any quick solutions
> to keep her paws from freezing when she has to go out?

Cut up an old towel, and tie the pieces onto her paws.
--

Real men don't text.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 15 2009 7:54 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:16:00 -0500, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:

>It's been really cold here, below zero, and we have about a foot of snow
>on the ground. Our 12-year-lab was just outside for less than one
>minute and she started limping from the cold. We bought booties for her
>a couple years ago, because she had the same problem, but they started
>leaking and we threw them out. We also thought, in retrospect, that the
>problem was salt on her paws, so we didn't replace the booties. We now
>know it wasn't a salt problem. I plan on getting new booties tomorrow
>after work, but that doesn't help now. Anyone have any quick solutions
>to keep her paws from freezing when she has to go out?
>
>Thanks a bunch.
>Marsha

I have the same problem...

How cold was it? I saw a dog stuck to a fire hydrant...

One minute isn't going to be an issue. Put a tablespoon of brandy in
her water and warm her up when she comes in.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 15 2009 6:57 pm
From: Marsha

hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:16:00 -0500, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:
>
>> It's been really cold here, below zero, and we have about a foot of snow
>> on the ground. Our 12-year-lab was just outside for less than one
>> minute and she started limping from the cold. We bought booties for her
>> a couple years ago, because she had the same problem, but they started
>> leaking and we threw them out. We also thought, in retrospect, that the
>> problem was salt on her paws, so we didn't replace the booties. We now
>> know it wasn't a salt problem. I plan on getting new booties tomorrow
>> after work, but that doesn't help now. Anyone have any quick solutions
>> to keep her paws from freezing when she has to go out?
>>
>> Thanks a bunch.
>> Marsha
>
> I have the same problem...
>
> How cold was it? I saw a dog stuck to a fire hydrant...
>
> One minute isn't going to be an issue. Put a tablespoon of brandy in
> her water and warm her up when she comes in.

It's 8 below. Are you serious about the brandy? I assumed that
freezing paw pads were painful and, since she has some arthritis in her
spine, I don't want her any more uncomfortable than necessary. She
doesn't have the ice or snow clumps in between her toes, so that's not
the problem. So far, I think the sock/rubber band idea might work
temporarily.
Thanks,
Marsha

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 15 2009 8:00 pm
From: Winston_Smith

On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:06:05 +0000 (UTC), EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com
wrote:

>In misc.survivalism Ed Huntress <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> <EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com> wrote in message
>> news:gk2ntk$ih9$2@reader1.panix.com...
>> > In misc.survivalism Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudgeon@live.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I wonder if it's possible to simultaneously suffer both deflation and
>> >> inflation?
>> >
>> > Winston says Yes.
>
>> Winston be wrong. You can have inflation and a contracting economy
>> (stagflation), or deflation and a contracting economy (recession), but you
>> can't have aggregate inflation and aggregate deflation at the same time.
>
>Yep. But try to tell him that, and he will change the subject.

You tell us you don't like the standard definitions so you make up
your own.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 15 2009 8:04 pm
From: Winston_Smith

On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:20:06 -0800, Winston <Winston@bigbrother.net>
wrote:

>EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com wrote:
>> In misc.survivalism Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudgeon@live.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder if it's possible to simultaneously suffer both deflation and
>>> inflation?
>>
>> Winston says Yes.
>
>Who?
>
>--Winston

I post in misc.survivalism (with cross posts) with a net name of
Winston Smith.

Wired has a hard on to tell me I'm all wrong about criticizing Bush's
economy. He seems to like it. Mostly he misquotes me and makes up
his own definitions when he is backed in a corner with the standard
ones.

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TOPIC: Sintra Watch, Best Wristwatch
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 15 2009 8:15 pm
From: bagsbags14@gmail.com

Sintra Watch, Best Wristwatch
Best Watches World: http://www.watches-world.net/
Rado Watches World: http://www.watches-world.net/Rado.html
Rado Sintra Watch : http://www.watches-world.net/Sintra.html

Rado traces its roots to Lengnau, Switzerland, and to three diligent
brothers who in 1917, began producing watch movements within their
parents' home. In 1947, Dr. Paul Luthi joined the growing company to
expand their Exacto brand. Further expansion was achieved after the
company's rebranding and the birth of the Rado name. In 1962, after
lengthy experimentation with new-age materials including tungsten and
titanium carbide, Rado produced the scratch-resistant Diastar. Through
continuous innovation, today's Rado watches are made of ceramic. The
patented ceramic is formed by mixing various powders, binding agents
and color additives into pressed molds that are fired and polished to
an adamantine luster with diamond powder.

Rado Sintra All Hot Luxury Wristwatch World :

Rado Sintra Mens Watch R13434152 :
http://www.watches-world.net/Rado-2192.html
Rado Sintra Ladies Watch R13578712 :
http://www.watches-world.net/Rado-2223.html
Rado Sintra Chronograph Mens Watch R13477152 :
http://www.watches-world.net/Rado-2193.html
Rado Sintra Ladies Watch R13334122 :
http://www.watches-world.net/Rado-2215.html

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TOPIC: Magico Watch, Best Wristwatch
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 15 2009 8:16 pm
From: bagsbags14@gmail.com

Magico Watch, Best Wristwatch
Best Watches World: http://www.watches-world.net/
Magico Watches World: http://www.watches-world.net/Magico.html
Magico Magico Watch : http://www.watches-world.net/Magico.html

Magico Magico All Hot Luxury Wristwatch World :

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TOPIC: Chronosport Lancia Stratos Watch, Best Wristwatch
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/de5859aab07eb28c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 15 2009 8:16 pm
From: bagsbags14@gmail.com

Chronosport Lancia Stratos Watch, Best Wristwatch
Best Watches World: http://www.watches-world.net/
Girard-Perregaux Watches World: http://www.watches-world.net/Girard-Perregaux.html
Girard-Perregaux Chronosport Lancia Stratos Watch :
http://www.watches-world.net/Chronosport_Lancia_Stratos.html

Since 1791 when J. F. Bautte created his first ultra-thin timepieces,
this Geneva master watchmaker has produced exceptional timepieces.
Constant Girard developed the wristwatch concept in 1880 after German
Emperor Wilhelm I ordered the novel timepieces for the German navy.
Although not immediately popular, the concept eventually took off and
in 1930, sales of wristwatches exceeded pocketwatches for the first
time.

Girard-Perregaux Chronosport Lancia Stratos All Hot Luxury Wristwatch
World :

Girard-Perregaux Sea Hawk II To John Harrison Mens Watch
49910.0.51.7147 :
http://www.watches-world.net/Girard-Perregaux-905.html
Girard-Perregaux Sea Hawk II Mens Watch 49920.0.52.4144 :
http://www.watches-world.net/Girard-Perregaux-903.html
Girard-Perregaux Rallye Monte Carlo Historique Mens Watch 80178-28-611-
FK6A :
http://www.watches-world.net/Girard-Perregaux-904.html
Girard-Perregaux World Timer Mens Watch 49850-53-251-BACD :
http://www.watches-world.net/Girard-Perregaux-915.html
Girard-Perregaux Sea Hawk II To John Harrison Mens Watch
49910.0.53.6546 :
http://www.watches-world.net/Girard-Perregaux-906.html
Girard-Perregaux Chronosport Lancia Stratos Mens Watch
49540.11.611.FK6A :
http://www.watches-world.net/Girard-Perregaux-882.html
Girard-Perregaux Sea Hawk II Mens Watch 49920.0.51.6146 :
http://www.watches-world.net/Girard-Perregaux-907.html
Girard-Perregaux World Timer Mens Watch 49850-52-151-BACD :
http://www.watches-world.net/Girard-Perregaux-912.html
Girard-Perregaux World Time Mens Watch 49800.0.53.6146A :
http://www.watches-world.net/Girard-Perregaux-911.html
Girard-Perregaux Sea Hawk II Mens Watch 49920.0.51.4144 :
http://www.watches-world.net/Girard-Perregaux-908.html
Girard-Perregaux Vintage 1945 Mens Watch 25840.0.53.1151 :
http://www.watches-world.net/Girard-Perregaux-913.html

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