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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 3 2009 11:01 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
enough wrote
> RichA wrote
>> enough <blinkingblyth...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml09/09335.html
>> $40 DVD players are a waste of money. They don't even last a year,
> I read about how some cheap portable CD players were being put together with hot glue,
Makes sense with stuff no one ever repairs.
> and how they were ment not to last more than a year.
Mindlessly silly. There is nothing in a CD player where that approach is even possible.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 4 2009 3:03 am
From: "zaman.2756@googlemail.com"
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 4 2009 6:44 am
From: "Bill"
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Things like this can't be relied on everyday. Best to arrange things for the
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== 2 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 3 2009 6:13 pm
From: "Dave C."
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:56:19 -0000
"john royce" <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:
>
> When making casseroles in the microwave combination oven, I try to
> fill the oven right up; so as to be frugal with electricity.
>
> Although some casserole dishes come with lids, I find that these
> fairly close fitting lids usually create a build up of pressure and
> some of the liquid then squirts out, all over the place.
>
> To utilise all available oven space it means stacking two casserole
> dishes one on top of the other. Using a normal oven this would be
> simple to do (bearing in mind I'm not using lids) by using a metal
> rack on the lower one to support the upper one.
>
> But when using the combination feature (which I find usefully lessons
> the cooking time) both normal heating and microwave are used
> "together". So when the microwave is on, a metal rack cannot be used.
>
> We have been trying to think of a means of supporting one casserole
> dish on top of another one ( the top one usually a smaller diameter )
> by means of something that will tolerate microwaves and the hotter
> temperatures using the normal oven heating element. Does such a
> thing exist anywhere for this purpose, or what might be some neat way
> to solve this problem? Thanks for advice.
>
Let's get this straight... you are trying to think of a creative way to
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== 3 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 4 2009 6:09 am
From: "Ophelia"
john royce wrote:
> When making casseroles in the microwave combination oven, I try to
> fill the oven right up; so as to be frugal with electricity.
>
> Although some casserole dishes come with lids, I find that these
> fairly close fitting lids usually create a build up of pressure and
> some of the liquid then squirts out, all over the place.
>
> To utilise all available oven space it means stacking two casserole
> dishes one on top of the other. Using a normal oven this would be
> simple to do (bearing in mind I'm not using lids) by using a metal
> rack on the lower one to support the upper one.
>
> But when using the combination feature (which I find usefully lessons
> the cooking time) both normal heating and microwave are used
> "together". So when the microwave is on, a metal rack cannot be used.
>
> We have been trying to think of a means of supporting one casserole
> dish on top of another one ( the top one usually a smaller diameter )
> by means of something that will tolerate microwaves and the hotter
> temperatures using the normal oven heating element. Does such a
> thing exist anywhere for this purpose, or what might be some neat way
> to solve this problem? Thanks for advice.
Would it be possible to use the casserole lid but upside down, so that it
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== 4 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 4 2009 6:12 am
From: Goomba
john royce wrote:
> When making casseroles in the microwave combination oven, I try to fill the
> oven right up; so as to be frugal with electricity.
>
I can't muster up much concern over a penny worth of electricity for a
microwave. I just don't use it that way. How long do you have it running
that you feel you need to pack it full to make it most cost effective?
Does the quality of cooking suffer from being packed full?
== 5 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 4 2009 6:13 am
From: Pete Verdon
john royce wrote:
> When making casseroles in the microwave combination oven, I try to fill the
> oven right up; so as to be frugal with electricity.
[snip]
> We have been trying to think of a means of supporting one casserole dish on
> top of another one ( the top one usually a smaller diameter ) by means of
> something that will tolerate microwaves and the hotter temperatures using
> the normal oven heating element. Does such a thing exist anywhere for this
> purpose, or what might be some neat way to solve this problem?
If I had to support one pot on top of the other, I'd probably just take
a couple of chopsticks out of the drawer, lay them across the lower pot,
and sit the upper pot on top.
Have I missed something?
Pete
== 6 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 4 2009 6:19 am
From: Owain
On 4 Nov, 13:56, "john royce" wrote:
> We have been trying to think of a means of supporting one casserole dish on
> top of another one ( the top one usually a smaller diameter ) by means of
> something that will tolerate microwaves and the hotter temperatures using
> the normal oven heating element. Does such a thing exist anywhere for this
> purpose, or what might be some neat way to solve this problem? Thanks for
> advice.
Could you make a rack out of chopsticks across the lower casserole?
You could also put the chopsticks across the casserole before putting
the lid on top.
Owain
== 7 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 4 2009 6:27 am
From: "john royce"
"Owain" <spuorgelgoog@gowanhill.com> wrote in message
news:d6d72abf-c38a-485c-8a04-9f2337478acb@d5g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On 4 Nov, 13:56, "john royce" wrote:
> We have been trying to think of a means of supporting one casserole dish
> on
> top of another one ( the top one usually a smaller diameter ) by means of
> something that will tolerate microwaves and the hotter temperatures using
> the normal oven heating element. Does such a thing exist anywhere for this
> purpose, or what might be some neat way to solve this problem? Thanks for
> advice.
Could you make a rack out of chopsticks across the lower casserole?
You could also put the chopsticks across the casserole before putting
the lid on top.
Owain
Thanks to the sensible responses. The glass casserole dishes are so well
made that the lids are too closely fitting even when placed upside down.
Using the oven eating element easily brings the temperature up to where the
wood (chopsticks) cannot cope with it.
== 8 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 4 2009 6:27 am
From: Melba's Jammin'
In article <hcs16b$bst$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
"john royce" <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:
> When making casseroles in the microwave combination oven, I try to fill the
> oven right up; so as to be frugal with electricity.
How full are we talking here? You need some space in there for heat
circulation.
> Although some casserole dishes come with lids, I find that these fairly
> close fitting lids usually create a build up of pressure and some of the
> liquid then squirts out, all over the place.
A build-up of pressure? That's a new one to me. Are you sure it's just
not the contents of the casserole bubbling due to the cooking?
>
> To utilise all available oven space it means stacking two casserole dishes
> one on top of the other. Using a normal oven this would be simple to do
> (bearing in mind I'm not using lids) by using a metal rack on the lower one
> to support the upper one.
>
> But when using the combination feature (which I find usefully lessons the
> cooking time) both normal heating and microwave are used "together". So when
> the microwave is on, a metal rack cannot be used.
My microwave came with a metal rack. . . .
> We have been trying to think of a means of supporting one casserole dish on
> top of another one ( the top one usually a smaller diameter ) by means of
> something that will tolerate microwaves and the hotter temperatures using
> the normal oven heating element. Does such a thing exist anywhere for this
> purpose, or what might be some neat way to solve this problem? Thanks for
> advice.
Invert a pie place over the bottom one and don't fill the bottom
casserole so full that it will bubble over. Set your second casserole
on top of the inverted pie plate.
PS: I am not responsible for any burns you may incur, nor any mess, nor
any bad language.
Alternatively, get a pizza stone, the right drill bit, and drill holes
in it ‹ the DIY rack you seek.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://web.me.com/barbschaller - Who Said Chickens Have Fingers?
10-30-2009
== 9 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 4 2009 6:28 am
From: Melba's Jammin'
In article <4af18c41$0$9424$bed64819@gradwell.net>,
Pete Verdon <usenet@verdonet.organisation.unitedkingdom.invalid>
wrote:
> john royce wrote:
> > When making casseroles in the microwave combination oven, I try to fill the
> > oven right up; so as to be frugal with electricity.
> [snip]
> > We have been trying to think of a means of supporting one casserole dish on
> > top of another one ( the top one usually a smaller diameter ) by means of
> > something that will tolerate microwaves and the hotter temperatures using
> > the normal oven heating element. Does such a thing exist anywhere for this
> > purpose, or what might be some neat way to solve this problem?
>
> If I had to support one pot on top of the other, I'd probably just take
> a couple of chopsticks out of the drawer, lay them across the lower pot,
> and sit the upper pot on top.
>
> Have I missed something?
>
> Pete
Great idea, Pete! Better than mine and I wish I'd thought of it first.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://web.me.com/barbschaller - Who Said Chickens Have Fingers?
10-30-2009
== 10 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 4 2009 6:30 am
From: Ian & Hilda Dedic
john royce wrote:
> "Owain" <spuorgelgoog@gowanhill.com> wrote in message
> news:d6d72abf-c38a-485c-8a04-9f2337478acb@d5g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> On 4 Nov, 13:56, "john royce" wrote:
>> We have been trying to think of a means of supporting one casserole dish
>> on
>> top of another one ( the top one usually a smaller diameter ) by means of
>> something that will tolerate microwaves and the hotter temperatures using
>> the normal oven heating element. Does such a thing exist anywhere for this
>> purpose, or what might be some neat way to solve this problem? Thanks for
>> advice.
>
> Could you make a rack out of chopsticks across the lower casserole?
>
> You could also put the chopsticks across the casserole before putting
> the lid on top.
> Owain
>
> Thanks to the sensible responses. The glass casserole dishes are so well
> made that the lids are too closely fitting even when placed upside down.
> Using the oven eating element easily brings the temperature up to where the
> wood (chopsticks) cannot cope with it.
>
>
what about the bottom of one of those chinese bamboo steamers which are
a grid of bamboo sticks?
These are pretty cheap, or you could use the lid of a microwave streamer
as sold by matalan.
dedics
== 11 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 4 2009 6:32 am
From: "Bill"
"john royce" wrote in message
>
> We have been trying to think of a means of supporting one casserole dish
> on top of another one ( the top one usually a smaller diameter ) by means
> of something that will tolerate microwaves and the hotter temperatures
> using the normal oven heating element. Does such a thing exist anywhere
> for this purpose, or what might be some neat way to solve this problem?
>
It would need to be something which does not conduct electricity - non
metal. Maybe you could find something like a cookie sheet for a regular oven
which is non metal and cut it to size, then support it with glass supports
at each corner. Or maybe a "glass blower" person could design something for
you?
Maybe even "glass rods" made into a rack with supports like a metal rack?
As to saving pennies or fractions thereof, if people would learn to add,
they would know that pennies add up to dollars! That is why my electric bill
will be $28 U.S. this month. Many things I have done to my electric system
which save pennies!
== 12 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 4 2009 6:41 am
From: Lobster
Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article <hcs16b$bst$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "john royce" <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:
>
>> But when using the combination feature (which I find usefully lessons the
>> cooking time) both normal heating and microwave are used "together". So when
>> the microwave is on, a metal rack cannot be used.
>
> My microwave came with a metal rack. . . .
Yeah, not sure what the whole deal is with metal and microwave ovens -
ours also came with two metal racks of different heights intended
(mainly) for combination-cooking of baked potatoes; ie micro first, then
direct heat to brown/crispen them.
I don't know whether the issue is that metal can become
disproportionately hot with microwaves only, thereby maybe melting a
plastic bowl or burning the unwary user?
Then again, the legs of our racks even have little rubber feet! so don't
ask me.
David
== 13 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 4 2009 7:19 am
From: Michael Black
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009, Dave C. wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:56:19 -0000
> "john royce" <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>> When making casseroles in the microwave combination oven, I try to
>> fill the oven right up; so as to be frugal with electricity.
>>
>> Although some casserole dishes come with lids, I find that these
>> fairly close fitting lids usually create a build up of pressure and
>> some of the liquid then squirts out, all over the place.
>>
>> To utilise all available oven space it means stacking two casserole
>> dishes one on top of the other. Using a normal oven this would be
>> simple to do (bearing in mind I'm not using lids) by using a metal
>> rack on the lower one to support the upper one.
>>
>> But when using the combination feature (which I find usefully lessons
>> the cooking time) both normal heating and microwave are used
>> "together". So when the microwave is on, a metal rack cannot be used.
>>
>> We have been trying to think of a means of supporting one casserole
>> dish on top of another one ( the top one usually a smaller diameter )
>> by means of something that will tolerate microwaves and the hotter
>> temperatures using the normal oven heating element. Does such a
>> thing exist anywhere for this purpose, or what might be some neat way
>> to solve this problem? Thanks for advice.
>>
>
> Let's get this straight... you are trying to think of a creative way to
> save about .0000000000002 pennies worth of electricity? C'mon, be
> serious now... is this a troll? -Dave
>
No, problem solving can be cheap.
But in the original question, there is the assumption that filling the
microwave saves money. I'm not so sure, since the more you put in, the
longer it takes to heat up, and hence electricity use increases. The
advantage of smaller portions at a time is that you can better control how
it cooks, and it's certainly easier to open the door, take the lid off one
package and stir (when stirring is needed) than to deal with a full oven.
So in order for the need for some sort of rack, one first has to see if
there really is a savings from filling up that microwave, or is it
basically the same electricity useage cooking things separately.
Michael
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 4 2009 6:04 am
From: "john royce"
"Les Cargill" <lcargill99@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> frater mus wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:58:45 -0400, sr wrote:
>>
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>>
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From: "Bill"
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>
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>
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> and since I was holding our 8 month old, and also had our 5 & 6 year olds
> along, I decided to simply walk back and double check the labels.
>
> Well, it turn out that once again, they put a whole pile of a different
> product behind another price sticker. The price is really large, but the
> description is small, so I didn't notice it.
>
> If they do this sort of thing a lot, it could give them higher products.
> I wonder if they do this on purpose?
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Date: Wed, Nov 4 2009 7:26 am
From: Rally2xs
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