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TOPIC: Hot pot/Electric kettle
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 14 2010 7:58 pm
From: The Real Bev

On 07/14/2010 12:19 PM, Bob F wrote:

> The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 07/13/2010 07:21 PM, aesthete8 wrote:
>>
>>> I am hoping to find one that makes really hot water.
>>>
>>> The hotter the better.
>>>
>>> Any recommendations?
>>
>> Consider getting an electric hot-water-on-demand faucet for your
>> kitchen sink. Hot enough for instant coffee or oatmeal and you
>> don't have to pay for the electricity to keep it hot even when you're
>> not using it.
>> No, I don't have one, but my daughter does and I love it.
>
> I've had 2. Both leaked after awhile.
>
> Where do you get the idea that you don't pay for the electricity to keep it hot
> even when you don't use it? Both of the hot water faucets I owned had small
> virtually uninsulated tanks heated by electricity as needed to keep them hot.
> Whether you used them or not. Unless you reached under the counter and unplugged
> them.

Error! Keeping an electric kettle going all day uses electricity. A friend
used to keep her coffeemaker going all day until she discovered that it
accounted for a huge percentage of their electric bill.

OTOH, we don't know what the original poster wanted the water for. Maybe he
DOES use it all day.

--
Cheers, Bev

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 3:41 pm
From: "Bob F"

The Real Bev wrote:
> On 07/14/2010 12:19 PM, Bob F wrote:
>
>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 07/13/2010 07:21 PM, aesthete8 wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am hoping to find one that makes really hot water.
>>>>
>>>> The hotter the better.
>>>>
>>>> Any recommendations?
>>>
>>> Consider getting an electric hot-water-on-demand faucet for your
>>> kitchen sink. Hot enough for instant coffee or oatmeal and you
>>> don't have to pay for the electricity to keep it hot even when
>>> you're not using it.
>>> No, I don't have one, but my daughter does and I love it.
>>
>> I've had 2. Both leaked after awhile.
>>
>> Where do you get the idea that you don't pay for the electricity to
>> keep it hot even when you don't use it? Both of the hot water
>> faucets I owned had small virtually uninsulated tanks heated by
>> electricity as needed to keep them hot. Whether you used them or
>> not. Unless you reached under the counter and unplugged them.
>
> Error! Keeping an electric kettle going all day uses electricity. A
> friend used to keep her coffeemaker going all day until she
> discovered that it accounted for a huge percentage of their electric
> bill.
> OTOH, we don't know what the original poster wanted the water for. Maybe he
> DOES use it all day.

I can't quite understanding how this responds to my post.

What's the error?

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 4:22 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <4c3d5aad$0$22131$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>On 13/07/10 7:21 PM, aesthete8 wrote:
>> I am hoping to find one that makes really hot water.

>> The hotter the better.

>> Any recommendations?

>I don't think any of them make hot water over 212 degrees F.
[ ... ]

Are there any pressure cookers with built-in elements? That
would do it.

As for the OP needing a way to cook smaller portions, try
cooking the rice in a microwave. As long as the proportion
of water to rice is correct, it should work fine. Just be
carefull when removing any cover you have on it to avoid
steam burns.

Gary

--
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If you want to reduce the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere,
go plant trees.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 7:58 pm
From: The Real Bev

On 07/15/2010 03:41 PM, Bob F wrote:

> The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 07/14/2010 12:19 PM, Bob F wrote:
>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>>> On 07/13/2010 07:21 PM, aesthete8 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am hoping to find one that makes really hot water.
>>>>>
>>>>> The hotter the better.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any recommendations?
>>>>
>>>> Consider getting an electric hot-water-on-demand faucet for your
>>>> kitchen sink. Hot enough for instant coffee or oatmeal and you don't
>>>> have to pay for the electricity to keep it hot even when you're not
>>>> using it. No, I don't have one, but my daughter does and I love it.
>>>
>>> I've had 2. Both leaked after awhile.

Replace a gasket? Gas-tank repair stuff?

>>> Where do you get the idea that you don't pay for the electricity to keep
>>> it hot even when you don't use it? Both of the hot water faucets I owned
>>> had small virtually uninsulated tanks heated by electricity as needed to
>>> keep them hot. Whether you used them or not. Unless you reached under
>>> the counter and unplugged them.
>>
>> Error! Keeping an electric kettle going all day uses electricity. A
>> friend used to keep her coffeemaker going all day until she discovered
>> that it accounted for a huge percentage of their electric bill. OTOH, we
>> don't know what the original poster wanted the water for. Maybe he DOES
>> use it all day.
>
> I can't quite understanding how this responds to my post.
>
> What's the error?

It was my error, actually. I wasn't clear. If you have an electric pot
boiling water all day it's GOT to add quite a bit to your electric bill. The
instant-on water heater thingy only uses electricity when you're actually
taking water from it. Clearly much cheaper. OTOH, since I don't know what the
original poster wanted to do with his hot water device, the always-on pot might
make sense. Or not.

--
Cheers, Bev

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== 1 of 1 ==
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TOPIC: Does waiting for Jesus mean doing nothing?
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 8:19 am
From: Opus

On Jul 14, 10:02 am, dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
>
> Worse still is that Christian loonies are in the military and believe
> that armageddon is a good thing. No insult meant to the good folks,
> Christian and not, who believe in taking care of this planet.
>
>
The main reason I became Pagan was there were a growing number of the
people in the local church that were stopping by my gas station (where
I was working) and telling me when they weren't telling me I was going
to Hell that if we didn't turn the world to a smoking ember before
th4e Second Coming, that is if there were any natural resources we
hadn't used, that God would be pissed we hadn't used all of His gifts
to us and nobody would go to Heaven.

I'm not sure what you would call this theology (batshit insane
consumptionist?), but I could find nothing in either my KJ or NSV
Bibles that had anything to correlate to it. I heard it pretty
frequently during the 1990s, not as much lately but there are still a
large number of them out there.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 8:28 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jul 15, 11:19 am, Opus <opusthep...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 14, 10:02 am, dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
>
> > Worse still is that Christian loonies are in the military and believe
> > that armageddon is a good thing. No insult meant to the good folks,
> > Christian and not, who believe in taking care of this planet.
>
> The main reason I became Pagan was there were a growing number of the
> people in the local church that were stopping by my gas station (where
> I was working) and telling me when they weren't telling me I was going
> to Hell that if we didn't turn the world to a smoking ember before
> th4e Second Coming, that is if there were any natural resources we
> hadn't used, that God would be pissed we hadn't used all of His gifts
> to us and nobody would go to Heaven.
>
> I'm not sure what you would call this theology (batshit insane
> consumptionist?), but I could find nothing in either my KJ or NSV
> Bibles that had anything to correlate to it. I heard it pretty
> frequently during the 1990s, not as much lately but there are still a
> large number of them out there.

Wow, amazing argument. Never heard of it but many seem to practice it.

I know SOMETHING is blocking us from grasping the importance of
PREVENTION by assuming personal instead of waiting for Jesus.

One Christian that came to my house went berserk when the possibility
of Climate Change came up. They probably think it's all a conspiracy.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 9:30 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

This Truth will not make you "loved" by the Christians or most other
believers, but it will probably make you "free." From this we can
probably gather why Christians go berserk upon mention of Climate
Change and PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, such as riding a bike...

'I was raised a christian and confirmed a Catholic. I have read the
bible from cover to cover, unlike so many others who refer to the
bible as truth and "gospel" despite never doing the same; and, despite
their not knowing who (more than one person) wrote all these fables it
contains. I have been told all these years to respect all religions,
despite no respect ever being given my beliefs. The truth is that it
is impossible to respect more than one religion, if any at all,
because each religion inherently states it is the one true religion;
which is inherently disrespectful to all others. The truth is
religion is nothing more than a collective bunch of rules and customs
manifesting a philosophical belief shared by a group of people. That
said, I proscribe to the philosophy of "reality." Reality being truth
as humanly possible to be perceived and discovered.

The truth is religion retards science. Religion slows and many times
stalls and even reverses science and progress. Call it fear,
ignorance or the refusal to give up the power a particular religion
holds in world politics, social class, and society in general,
religion does its best, by its very nature, to keep us all in the
dark; to keep us from discovering the truth.'

http://hubpages.com/hub/Religion_is_bad

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 10:22 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

"At least from my position in the food chain, we are in dire need of a
surge in simplicity, critical thinking and productive labor."

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Analysis/2010/07/15/Outside-View-Cynical-thoughts-about-Afghanistan/UPI-11561279189080/

No, it's not another deep quotation of mine, where I use the jungle as
a metaphor, just an assessment of the war in Afghanistan.

Where are is that "simplicity, critical thinking and productive labor"
put to work in our society? Around here they have made A WASTEFUL
MIXED FACILITY THAT GOES FOR ONE MILE while we are denied space for
bikes on our roads... Talk about SIMPLICITY and all the other stuff.

No wonder the war in Afghanistan is going down the drain as corruption
goes up.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 4:08 pm
From: "h"

"Opus" <opusthepoet@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d5d46ed8-db01-42dc-b6ed-1d8f4ba7c9b5@z10g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 14, 10:02 am, dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:

>
>I'm not sure what you would call this theology (batshit insane
>consumptionist?)

I believe "Batshit Insane" is the technical name for most doG-based
theologies. The "consumptionist" is one type, and there are, unfortunately,
many others.

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TOPIC: Rice cooker which switches to OFF
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 1:57 pm
From: Jeff Thies

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Jul 13, 10:22 pm, aesthete8 <art...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Most r.c.'s seem to switch to WARM after the rice gets cooked.
>>
>> I need one which shuts off.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>
> Rice is pH-neutral and is among the more dangerous
> foods to hold between 40 and 140 F. You probably
> won't find one that shuts off.

Never thought of that, what are safe temperatures to keep at? Can you
keep rice refrigerated?

I ask that because I have been thinking of eating more rice and the
cookers all make more rice than I would eat at a meal.

For the OP. These devices are dead simple. You can take them apart
easily and disconnect the warming. There ain't much in there.

Jeff
Who at one time or another has been inside almost every appliance.
>
> Why do you want this feature?
>
> Cindy Hamilton

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 4:45 pm
From: "friesian@zoocrewphoto.com"

On Jul 15, 1:57 pm, Jeff Thies <jeff_th...@att.net> wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Jul 13, 10:22 pm, aesthete8 <art...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Most r.c.'s seem to switch to WARM after the rice gets cooked.
>
> >> I need one which shuts off.
>
> >> Any suggestions?
>
> > Rice is pH-neutral and is among the more dangerous
> > foods to hold between 40 and 140 F. You probably
> > won't find one that shuts off.
>
> Never thought of that, what are safe temperatures to keep at? Can you
> keep rice refrigerated?
>

Below 40 and above 140 :)

You can refrigerate it. Just make sure you don't shove it in the
fridge in one huge lump, or the center won't cool down fast enough. If
you have a fairly full rice cooker bowl, then dish part of it out so
that it isn't too deep. Or give it a really good stir after an hour.

I usually make a full rice cooker amount and then refrigerate the
leftovers for casseroles or whatever. I also let it warm for a lot
longer as I prefer less sticky rice. I don't like it when it first
says it is ready.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 5:37 pm
From: "Lou"

> > On Jul 13, 10:22 pm, aesthete8 <art...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Most r.c.'s seem to switch to WARM after the rice gets cooked.
> >>
> >> I need one which shuts off.
> >>
> >> Any suggestions?

Is there something wrong with a pot on the stovetop?

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 6:41 pm
From: "h"

"Lou" <lpogoda@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:i1o984$48k$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>> > On Jul 13, 10:22 pm, aesthete8 <art...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Most r.c.'s seem to switch to WARM after the rice gets cooked.
>> >>
>> >> I need one which shuts off.
>> >>
>> >> Any suggestions?
>
> Is there something wrong with a pot on the stovetop?
>
>
Apparently. Whatever. Grain is poison.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 3:55 pm
From: freeisbest

I've owned two different bread machines, both from yard sales,
both in excellent condition when I got them (one was a surplus wedding
present and taken out of the box). I passed one along to a friend
next door and still occasionally use the other. They both work,
sorta, if you make only white bread, or if you don't mind taking the
w.w. dough out of the machine after the first rise and baking the loaf
in the oven.
Good bread is ridiculously expensive here in central NC.$5 and $6
a loaf and I'm not going to pay that. Does anyone know if there's a
reasonably-priced machine that makes *good* 12-grain or whole wheat
bread from start to finish?
I really hope someone has information or suggestions for a small-
town gardener who would like tomato sandwiches make with our own our
tomatoes and homemade bread.
If I can't find a decent breadmaker, my nice crop of plum
tomatoes will have to be to vac-frozen soon. Thanks in advance, I
hope.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 5:36 pm
From: "Lou"

"freeisbest" <demeter547opine@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:df119a64-598f-4a28-96d0-54bdfdfa318c@k39g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> I've owned two different bread machines, both from yard sales,
> both in excellent condition when I got them (one was a surplus wedding
> present and taken out of the box). I passed one along to a friend
> next door and still occasionally use the other. They both work,
> sorta, if you make only white bread, or if you don't mind taking the
> w.w. dough out of the machine after the first rise and baking the loaf
> in the oven.
> Good bread is ridiculously expensive here in central NC.$5 and $6
> a loaf and I'm not going to pay that. Does anyone know if there's a
> reasonably-priced machine that makes *good* 12-grain or whole wheat
> bread from start to finish?
> I really hope someone has information or suggestions for a small-
> town gardener who would like tomato sandwiches make with our own our
> tomatoes and homemade bread.
> If I can't find a decent breadmaker, my nice crop of plum
> tomatoes will have to be to vac-frozen soon. Thanks in advance, I
> hope.

Having never used, let alone owned, a bread machine, I can't directly
respond to your question. But making bread using a food processor, or even
by hand, isn't that difficult, though I'll grant it isn't automatic.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 6:41 pm
From: "h"

"Lou" <lpogoda@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:i1o959$2hu$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
Give up bread. Grain, particularly wheat, is poison.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 4:10 pm
From: freeisbest

On Jul 8, 9:35 pm, Kalmia <tweeny90...@mypacks.net> wrote:
> On Jul 7, 11:12 am, Vandy Terre <va...@tanglewood-destiny.com> wrote:
> > Times are tough, money is short and it appears this won't change
> > soon. So what can you do to cut expenses. -snip-
>
> I have a relative who could put us all to shame.
> no telephone answering device
> no dishwasher
> no computer
> no gps
> no kind of other electronic doodads - not even a cell phone
> no garage door opener
> no power lawnmower
> basic cable
> hangs clothes outside to dry
> does own oil changes etc
> rides a bike a lot
> I'm sure there are other things I haven't remembered.
>
> Prob. has lowest electric bill in town.
---------------------------------------------------------
I remember every bit of that. We were called "hippies" at the
time by folks who had big Macs, big cars and big tv's.
Today if we were forced to escape to a small trailer and could
take only one modern appliance, my family, the photo albums, and the
dishwasher would go in the station wagon.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 4:32 pm
From: VFW

Like firewood , as it dries it is better. You just have to set it out in
the sun and wait, I can do that.
And of course you're going to say that I get better with age.
Like a fine cheese.
what else improves with time?
--
Money! What a concept.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 5:27 pm
From: Jeff Thies

VFW wrote:
> Like firewood , as it dries it is better. You just have to set it out in
> the sun and wait, I can do that.
> And of course you're going to say that I get better with age.
> Like a fine cheese.
> what else improves with time?

Wine, whiskey and many spirits. I had some 15 year old Heineken that had
sat in the basement. It had turned very dark, but it was a delight to drink.

Many woods develop color and character after decades. Many string
instruments improve vastly with old age.

Many building materials look better aged. Old brick has character.

Chiles and soups are often much better the second serving.

Many performers and people get better as they age. Experience and
knowledge.

Too many others for me to list as I feel like I'm getting old.

Jeff

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 7:37 pm
From: Stan Horwitz

In article <i1o92g$lii$1@news.albasani.net>,
Jeff Thies <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote:

> VFW wrote:
> > Like firewood , as it dries it is better. You just have to set it out in
> > the sun and wait, I can do that.
> > And of course you're going to say that I get better with age.
> > Like a fine cheese.
> > what else improves with time?
>
>
> Wine, whiskey and many spirits. I had some 15 year old Heineken that had
> sat in the basement. It had turned very dark, but it was a delight to drink.
>
> Many woods develop color and character after decades. Many string
> instruments improve vastly with old age.
>
> Many building materials look better aged. Old brick has character.
>
> Chiles and soups are often much better the second serving.
>
> Many performers and people get better as they age. Experience and
> knowledge.
>
> Too many others for me to list as I feel like I'm getting old.
>
> Jeff

Beef gets better with age, assuming it is aged properly.

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