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* Hot pot/Electric kettle - 3 messages, 2 authors
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* Can anyone recommend a bread machine that makes good whole wheat? - 2
messages, 2 authors
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* Rice cooker which switches to OFF - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Illegal aliens' employment *UP* 754,000 jobs; citizens' *DOWN* 1,697,000
jobs - 2 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Hot pot/Electric kettle
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/da96a3557c9d4c9a?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 7:58 pm
From: The Real Bev
On 07/15/2010 03:41 PM, Bob F wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 07/14/2010 12:19 PM, Bob F wrote:
>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>>> On 07/13/2010 07:21 PM, aesthete8 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am hoping to find one that makes really hot water.
>>>>>
>>>>> The hotter the better.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any recommendations?
>>>>
>>>> Consider getting an electric hot-water-on-demand faucet for your
>>>> kitchen sink. Hot enough for instant coffee or oatmeal and you don't
>>>> have to pay for the electricity to keep it hot even when you're not
>>>> using it. No, I don't have one, but my daughter does and I love it.
>>>
>>> I've had 2. Both leaked after awhile.
Replace a gasket? Gas-tank repair stuff?
>>> Where do you get the idea that you don't pay for the electricity to keep
>>> it hot even when you don't use it? Both of the hot water faucets I owned
>>> had small virtually uninsulated tanks heated by electricity as needed to
>>> keep them hot. Whether you used them or not. Unless you reached under
>>> the counter and unplugged them.
>>
>> Error! Keeping an electric kettle going all day uses electricity. A
>> friend used to keep her coffeemaker going all day until she discovered
>> that it accounted for a huge percentage of their electric bill. OTOH, we
>> don't know what the original poster wanted the water for. Maybe he DOES
>> use it all day.
>
> I can't quite understanding how this responds to my post.
>
> What's the error?
It was my error, actually. I wasn't clear. If you have an electric pot
boiling water all day it's GOT to add quite a bit to your electric bill. The
instant-on water heater thingy only uses electricity when you're actually
taking water from it. Clearly much cheaper. OTOH, since I don't know what the
original poster wanted to do with his hot water device, the always-on pot might
make sense. Or not.
--
Cheers, Bev
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 10:11 pm
From: "Bob F"
The Real Bev wrote:
> On 07/15/2010 03:41 PM, Bob F wrote:
>
>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 07/14/2010 12:19 PM, Bob F wrote:
>>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>> On 07/13/2010 07:21 PM, aesthete8 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am hoping to find one that makes really hot water.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The hotter the better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any recommendations?
>>>>>
>>>>> Consider getting an electric hot-water-on-demand faucet for your
>>>>> kitchen sink. Hot enough for instant coffee or oatmeal and you
>>>>> don't have to pay for the electricity to keep it hot even when
>>>>> you're not using it. No, I don't have one, but my daughter does
>>>>> and I love it.
>>>>
>>>> I've had 2. Both leaked after awhile.
>
> Replace a gasket? Gas-tank repair stuff?
>
>>>> Where do you get the idea that you don't pay for the electricity
>>>> to keep it hot even when you don't use it? Both of the hot water
>>>> faucets I owned had small virtually uninsulated tanks heated by
>>>> electricity as needed to keep them hot. Whether you used them or
>>>> not. Unless you reached under the counter and unplugged them.
>>>
>>> Error! Keeping an electric kettle going all day uses electricity. A friend
>>> used to keep her coffeemaker going all day until she
>>> discovered that it accounted for a huge percentage of their
>>> electric bill. OTOH, we don't know what the original poster wanted
>>> the water for. Maybe he DOES use it all day.
>>
>> I can't quite understanding how this responds to my post.
>>
>> What's the error?
>
> It was my error, actually. I wasn't clear. If you have an electric
> pot boiling water all day it's GOT to add quite a bit to your
> electric bill. The instant-on water heater thingy only uses
> electricity when you're actually taking water from it. Clearly much
> cheaper. OTOH, since I don't know what the original poster wanted to
> do with his hot water device, the always-on pot might make sense. Or
> not.
As I said, the "instant hot water"kitchen sink taps that I've had heat water
inside a small tank. They cycle on off all day and night to keep the water hot,
and the tanks have been virtually un-insulated. Since you likely would never
turn them off, they might be worse than the kettle.
I have never seen one that heats the water as you draw it. The water goes in the
bottom and hot water comes out the top. Like a water heater, the output gets
cooler if you draw too much at one time.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 10:21 pm
From: The Real Bev
On 07/15/2010 10:11 PM, Bob F wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 07/15/2010 03:41 PM, Bob F wrote:
>>
>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>>> On 07/14/2010 12:19 PM, Bob F wrote:
>>>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>> On 07/13/2010 07:21 PM, aesthete8 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am hoping to find one that makes really hot water.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The hotter the better.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any recommendations?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Consider getting an electric hot-water-on-demand faucet for your
>>>>>> kitchen sink. Hot enough for instant coffee or oatmeal and you
>>>>>> don't have to pay for the electricity to keep it hot even when
>>>>>> you're not using it. No, I don't have one, but my daughter does
>>>>>> and I love it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've had 2. Both leaked after awhile.
>>
>> Replace a gasket? Gas-tank repair stuff?
>>
>>>>> Where do you get the idea that you don't pay for the electricity
>>>>> to keep it hot even when you don't use it? Both of the hot water
>>>>> faucets I owned had small virtually uninsulated tanks heated by
>>>>> electricity as needed to keep them hot. Whether you used them or
>>>>> not. Unless you reached under the counter and unplugged them.
>>>>
>>>> Error! Keeping an electric kettle going all day uses electricity. A friend
>>>> used to keep her coffeemaker going all day until she
>>>> discovered that it accounted for a huge percentage of their
>>>> electric bill. OTOH, we don't know what the original poster wanted
>>>> the water for. Maybe he DOES use it all day.
>>>
>>> I can't quite understanding how this responds to my post.
>>>
>>> What's the error?
>>
>> It was my error, actually. I wasn't clear. If you have an electric
>> pot boiling water all day it's GOT to add quite a bit to your
>> electric bill. The instant-on water heater thingy only uses
>> electricity when you're actually taking water from it. Clearly much
>> cheaper. OTOH, since I don't know what the original poster wanted to
>> do with his hot water device, the always-on pot might make sense. Or
>> not.
>
> As I said, the "instant hot water"kitchen sink taps that I've had heat water
> inside a small tank. They cycle on off all day and night to keep the water hot,
> and the tanks have been virtually un-insulated. Since you likely would never
> turn them off, they might be worse than the kettle.
>
> I have never seen one that heats the water as you draw it. The water goes in the
> bottom and hot water comes out the top. Like a water heater, the output gets
> cooler if you draw too much at one time.
I ran the hot water for a few seconds and felt what appears to be a tank under
the sink. Room temperature, as was the tubing/piping. In theory with these
things you have an unlimited supply of hot water, so I don't see how a tank
would fit into that concept.
--
Cheers, Bev
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TOPIC: Can anyone recommend a bread machine that makes good whole wheat?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 8:04 pm
From: The Real Bev
On 07/15/2010 03:55 PM, freeisbest wrote:
> I've owned two different bread machines, both from yard sales,
> both in excellent condition when I got them (one was a surplus wedding
> present and taken out of the box). I passed one along to a friend
> next door and still occasionally use the other. They both work,
> sorta, if you make only white bread, or if you don't mind taking the
> w.w. dough out of the machine after the first rise and baking the loaf
> in the oven.
> Good bread is ridiculously expensive here in central NC.$5 and $6
> a loaf and I'm not going to pay that. Does anyone know if there's a
> reasonably-priced machine that makes *good* 12-grain or whole wheat
> bread from start to finish?
> I really hope someone has information or suggestions for a small-
> town gardener who would like tomato sandwiches make with our own our
> tomatoes and homemade bread.
> If I can't find a decent breadmaker, my nice crop of plum
> tomatoes will have to be to vac-frozen soon. Thanks in advance, I
> hope.
We've used several with excellent results -- so good, in fact, that we gobble
the whole loaf (whole wheat, mostly, but we used other exotic flours too)
before it has a chance to cool. I think they'll all turn out good bread, you
just have to adjust your recipe. The one that comes with the breadmaker is a
good place to start, but various things affect it and you just have to
experiment until you're happy. And if you get a different breadmaker you'll
have to start the process over again.
I like the R2D2-shaped ones that DAK sold under its own name, but it's
identical to others with a different brand.
You make bread out of tomatoes?
--
Cheers, Bev
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 8:27 pm
From: "h"
"The Real Bev" <bashley101+es@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:i1oi7b$a03$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 07/15/2010 03:55 PM, freeisbest wrote:
Don't eat wheat/grain because it's poison. That's my best recommendation.
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TOPIC: Rice cooker which switches to OFF
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 8:10 pm
From: The Real Bev
On 07/15/2010 05:37 PM, Lou wrote:
>> > On Jul 13, 10:22 pm, aesthete8<art...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Most r.c.'s seem to switch to WARM after the rice gets cooked.
>> >>
>> >> I need one which shuts off.
>> >>
>> >> Any suggestions?
>
> Is there something wrong with a pot on the stovetop?
That's what my mom thought, but she used Uncle Ben's Converted Rice. We use
mostly short-grain brown rice, which tastes much better. One unit of rice, two
and a half units of water, push the switch and forget about it for an hour.
What could be better? I'm not the kind of person who can leave something
cooking on the stove without checking it every once in a while. The cooker
does all the worrying for me :-)
If you leave the rice in the cooker overnight it ferments or something and gets
nasty and slimy. It gets hard in the refrigerator, but softens up if you add a
little water and microwave it for an appropriate time.
--
Cheers, Bev
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TOPIC: Illegal aliens' employment *UP* 754,000 jobs; citizens' *DOWN* 1,697,
000 jobs
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 10:14 pm
From: Billy
In article
<1780af2b-e11e-4ecb-964f-6a3820d8d3ac@c33g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
brad herschel <bradherschel@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 7, 2:36 pm, "GeorgeWashingtonFan"
> <GWashing...@teapartycentral.net> wrote:
> > National Data, By Edwin S. Rubenstein
> >
> > June Jobs: Immigrants Displacing American Workers Again
> >
> > by Edwin. S Rubenstein
> >
> > Source:http://vdare.com/rubenstein/100702_nd.htm
> >
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> > What Would America's Founders Say?
> >
> > The two enemies of the people are criminals
> > and government, so let us tie the second down
> > with the chains of the Constitution so the
> > second will not become the legalized version
> > of the first.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > Those who hammer their guns into plows will
> > plow for those who do not.
> > --Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > It does not take a majority to prevail ... but
> > rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on
> > setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of
> > men.
> > --Samuel Adams
> >
> > The strongest reason for the people to retain
> > the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last
> > resort, to protect themselves against tyranny
> > in government.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > A free people ought not only to be armed and
> > disciplined, but they should have sufficient
> > arms and ammunition to maintain a status of
> > independence from any who might attempt to
> > abuse them, which would include their own
> > government."
> > -- George Washington
> >
> > No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > If the freedom of speech is taken away then
> > dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep, to
> > the slaughter.
> > -- George Washington
> >
> > When governments fear the people there is liberty.
> > When the people fear the government there is tyranny.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... Disarm only
> > those who are neither inclined nor determined to
> > commit crimes.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a
> > standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed
> > populace.
> > -- James Madison
> >
> > If the representatives of the people betray
> > their constituents, there is then no resource
> > left but in the exertion of that original
> > right of self-defense which is paramount to
> > all positive forms of government ... The
> > citizens must rush tumultuously to arms,
> > without concert, without system, without
> > resource; except in their courage and despair
> > ... The natural strength of the people in a
> > large community, in proportion to the artificial
> > strength of the government, is greater than in a
> > small ... the people, without exaggeration, may
> > be said to be entirely the masters of their own fate.
> > -- Alexander Hamilton
> >
> > All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people
> > of good conscience to remain silent.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > Every government degenerates when trusted to the
> > rulers of the people alone. The people themselves
> > are its only safe depositories.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > As our enemies have found we can reason like men,
> > so now let us show them we can fight like men also.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act!
> > Action will delineate and define you.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > Merchants have no country. The mere spot they
> > stand on does not constitute so strong an
> > attachment as that from which they draw their gains.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy
> > of our monied corporations which dare already to
> > challenge our government to a trial by strength,
> > and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > I believe that banking institutions are more
> > dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > Experience hath shewn, that even under the best
> > forms of government those entrusted with power
> > have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted
> > it into tyranny.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > A Founding Father speaks out on what's nowadays
> > called "political correctness":
> >
> > Do not suffer yourselves to be wheeled out of
> > your liberty to publish by any pretenses of
> > politeness, delicacy or decency. These, as they
> > are so often used, are but three different names
> > for hypocrisy, chicanery and cowardice.
> > --John Adams
> >
> And some wonder why many loathe the stinking
> federal government.
> > --
So where have you been these many years? Could have used your help nine
years ago, or even twenty-five years ago. We need campaign finance
reform to get the Kleptocrats (Dems+Reps) out.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/6/28/naomi_klein_the_real_crime_scene
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 10:17 pm
From: Billy
In article
<9a8d0b6d-02f3-4761-9227-582dbfae4c8a@w15g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
"Mr.Smartypants" <bunghole-jonnie@lycos.com> wrote:
> On Jul 8, 6:28 am, brad herschel <bradhersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 7, 2:36 pm, "GeorgeWashingtonFan"
> >
> >
> >
> > <GWashing...@teapartycentral.net> wrote:
> > > National Data, By Edwin S. Rubenstein
> >
> > > June Jobs: Immigrants Displacing American Workers Again
> >
> > > by Edwin. S Rubenstein
> >
> > > Source:http://vdare.com/rubenstein/100702_nd.htm
> >
> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> > > What Would America's Founders Say?
> >
> > > The two enemies of the people are criminals
> > > and government, so let us tie the second down
> > > with the chains of the Constitution so the
> > > second will not become the legalized version
> > > of the first.
> > > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > > Those who hammer their guns into plows will
> > > plow for those who do not.
> > > --Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > > It does not take a majority to prevail ... but
> > > rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on
> > > setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of
> > > men.
> > > --Samuel Adams
> >
> > > The strongest reason for the people to retain
> > > the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last
> > > resort, to protect themselves against tyranny
> > > in government.
> > > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > > A free people ought not only to be armed and
> > > disciplined, but they should have sufficient
> > > arms and ammunition to maintain a status of
> > > independence from any who might attempt to
> > > abuse them, which would include their own
> > > government."
> > > -- George Washington
> >
> > > No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
> > > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > > If the freedom of speech is taken away then
> > > dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep, to
> > > the slaughter.
> > > -- George Washington
> >
> > > When governments fear the people there is liberty.
> > > When the people fear the government there is tyranny.
> > > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > > Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... Disarm only
> > > those who are neither inclined nor determined to
> > > commit crimes.
> > > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > > Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a
> > > standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed
> > > populace.
> > > -- James Madison
> >
> > > If the representatives of the people betray
> > > their constituents, there is then no resource
> > > left but in the exertion of that original
> > > right of self-defense which is paramount to
> > > all positive forms of government ... The
> > > citizens must rush tumultuously to arms,
> > > without concert, without system, without
> > > resource; except in their courage and despair
> > > ... The natural strength of the people in a
> > > large community, in proportion to the artificial
> > > strength of the government, is greater than in a
> > > small ... the people, without exaggeration, may
> > > be said to be entirely the masters of their own fate.
> > > -- Alexander Hamilton
> >
> > > All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people
> > > of good conscience to remain silent.
> > > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > > Every government degenerates when trusted to the
> > > rulers of the people alone. The people themselves
> > > are its only safe depositories.
> > > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > > As our enemies have found we can reason like men,
> > > so now let us show them we can fight like men also.
> > > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > > Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act!
> > > Action will delineate and define you.
> > > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > > Merchants have no country. The mere spot they
> > > stand on does not constitute so strong an
> > > attachment as that from which they draw their gains.
> > > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > > I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy
> > > of our monied corporations which dare already to
> > > challenge our government to a trial by strength,
> > > and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
> > > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > > I believe that banking institutions are more
> > > dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
> > > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > > Experience hath shewn, that even under the best
> > > forms of government those entrusted with power
> > > have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted
> > > it into tyranny.
> > > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > > A Founding Father speaks out on what's nowadays
> > > called "political correctness":
> >
> > > Do not suffer yourselves to be wheeled out of
> > > your liberty to publish by any pretenses of
> > > politeness, delicacy or decency. These, as they
> > > are so often used, are but three different names
> > > for hypocrisy, chicanery and cowardice.
> > > --John Adams
> >
> > And some wonder why many loathe the stinking
> > federal government.
> >
> >
>
>
> It is up to the individual state to bar immigrants.
Want to break up the "Union", huh? Maybe if we get the blood suckers out
of Washington, everything else would take care of itself.
Down with the Kleptocrats (Dems+Reps)
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/6/28/naomi_klein_the_real_crime_scene
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