Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 10 topics

Wednesday, August 15, 2007

25 new messages in 10 topics - digest

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TOPIC: ot question
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 15 2007 12:43 pm
From: "eBayer"

"AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:NFHwi.572$Nf.132@trndny05...
>
> "eBayer" <abuse@ebay.com> wrote in message news:f9vddp$dmt$1@aioe.org...
>>
>> "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:5ZFwi.605$eL.112@trndny07...
>>>i know how to download google videos to my hardrive so that i can watch
>>>them when not connected. but i haven't found a way to do that with
>>>youtube videos.
>>>
>>> anyone here know how to do it? so far, i can't find it on google.
>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=download+youtube+videos
>>
>> And you'll need to install a .flv player on your machine.
>
> thanks. i was searching something else. i didn't think that those
> search terms would get me what i wanted. i know that just because you
> push the google video button to download doesn't mean that it
> saves to the hd. and you have to have the google player to watch it.
> but i know how to save it and watch it on a divx player.

I recommend everyone download favorite youtube videos
to your system before they're removed for copyright violations
or other reasons.

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 15 2007 12:50 pm
From: "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"

AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
> i know how to download google videos to my hardrive so that i can watch them
> when not connected. but i haven't found a way to do that with youtube
> videos.
>
> anyone here know how to do it? so far, i can't find it on google.

http://youtubedownload.altervista.org/

--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 15 2007 1:12 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote in message
news:5q2dnd9xV5oCxV7bnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>> i know how to download google videos to my hardrive so that i can watch
>> them
>> when not connected. but i haven't found a way to do that with youtube
>> videos.
>>
>> anyone here know how to do it? so far, i can't find it on google.
>
>
> http://youtubedownload.altervista.org/
>
>
>
> --
> Mortimer Schnerd, RN
> mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com
thanks. i'll check it out.
>

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 15 2007 1:28 pm
From: Parallax

http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2390

Replace '???????' with 'hotmail' to e-mail me.

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 15 2007 2:47 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Parallax" <Parallax-G@???????.com> wrote in message
news:tlJwi.384$If.57@trndny03...
> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>> i know how to download google videos to my hardrive so that i can watch
>> them when not connected. but i haven't found a way to do that with
>> youtube videos.
>>
>> anyone here know how to do it? so far, i can't find it on google.
>
> http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2390
>
thanks but i don't use firefox. i don't like the fact that i can't put a
shortcut on my desktop and have to save to favorites. at least that's how
it was the last time i tried it.

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 15 2007 6:37 pm
From: Logan Shaw

AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
> thanks but i don't use firefox. i don't like the fact that i can't put a
> shortcut on my desktop and have to save to favorites. at least that's how
> it was the last time i tried it.

I don't believe it was ever that way. If you want the desktop to contain an
icon that takes you to a particular web site[1], which is what I assume you
want (rather than a shortcut to the web browser itself), I believe all you
have to do is drag the icon for the web site from the location bar (just
to the left of the URL) onto the desktop.

- Logan

[1] Though god only knows why people want zillions of icons cluttering
up their desktop, especially considering you have to dig through
windows that are blocking them in order to see the icons. But
that's a whole different subject.

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 15 2007 7:03 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:46c3aa74$0$16447$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>> thanks but i don't use firefox. i don't like the fact that i can't put
>> a
>> shortcut on my desktop and have to save to favorites. at least that's
>> how it was the last time i tried it.
>
> I don't believe it was ever that way. If you want the desktop to contain
> an
> icon that takes you to a particular web site[1], which is what I assume
> you
> want (rather than a shortcut to the web browser itself), I believe all you
> have to do is drag the icon for the web site from the location bar (just
> to the left of the URL) onto the desktop.
>
> - Logan
>
> [1] Though god only knows why people want zillions of icons cluttering
> up their desktop, especially considering you have to dig through
> windows that are blocking them in order to see the icons. But
> that's a whole different subject.

thanks. maybe i'll give it a try as i really like firefox. i file my
shortcuts in a folder and find them easier to use than favorites. old dog,
new tricks, i guess :)

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 15 2007 7:06 pm
From: throwitout

On Aug 15, 3:33 pm, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <der...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> "eBayer" <ab...@ebay.com> wrote in messagenews:f9vddp$dmt$1@aioe.org...
>
> > "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <der...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:5ZFwi.605$eL.112@trndny07...
> >>i know how to download google videos to my hardrive so that i can watch
> >>them when not connected. but i haven't found a way to do that with
> >>youtube videos.
>
> >> anyone here know how to do it? so far, i can't find it on google.
> >http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=download+youtube+videos
>
> > And you'll need to install a .flv player on your machine.
>
> thanks. i was searching something else. i didn't think that those search
> terms would get me what i wanted. i know that just because you push the
> google video button to download doesn't mean that it
> saves to the hd. and you have to have the google player to watch it.
> but i know how to save it and watch it on a divx player.

Flash movies aren't in "Divx" format, so to play it in your favorite
player you will need to download a codec to do it.

The k-lite standard or premium codec pack contain flv support:
http://www.free-codecs.com/download/K_Lite_Codec_Pack.htm

I also use the bundled Media player classic because it's designed to
play videos instead of showing frilly crap that makes the video screen
smaller. I also use the slightly related Quicktime alternative / QT
light to replace Bloattime, err, Quicktime:
http://www.codecguide.com/qt_lite.htm

I also use Real player alternative to play RealSlow, err, Real player.
http://codecguide.com/about_real.htm

A standalone player that plays most formats is VLC:
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

To download flash videos from you-tube etc I use the VideoDownloader
plug in for Firefox that was referenced elsewhere. I like Firefox
because of the plugins. For example I also use Mouse gestures to
navigate pages with simple mouse movements and I use Adblock Plus to
block ads.

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TOPIC: "Me" generation marriages..
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 15 2007 12:58 pm
From: Millhaven

On Aug 15, 12:28 pm, barbie gee <barbie....@NOSESPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, Millhaven wrote:
> > Why the hell do people get married nowadays anyway? Seems to be a
> > rather obsolete concept compared to a generation or two. Rather
> > pointless really.
>
> unless you don't mind fatherless and/or illegitimate children being bred.

I don't think even that makes much of a difference, especially if both
parents are working.

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 15 2007 1:03 pm
From: "max"

"barbie gee" <barbie.gee@NOSESPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0708151427050.17564@sghcrg.sghcrg.pbz...
>
>
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, Millhaven wrote:
>
>> Why the hell do people get married nowadays anyway? Seems to be a
>> rather obsolete concept compared to a generation or two. Rather
>> pointless really.
>
> unless you don't mind fatherless and/or illegitimate children being bred.

or battered!

.max

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== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 15 2007 2:26 pm
From: "The Henchman"

"Bill" <bill190nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5igfqnF3q1llkU1@mid.individual.net...
> They say those in their 20's are the "me" generation. (Very selfish, only
> think about themselves, etc.)

It was the Baby Boomers that started this trend and it was the Baby Boomers
that raised these children.

Life goes on....

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 15 2007 6:27 pm
From: Logan Shaw

Rudy Canoza wrote:
> Bill wrote:

>> They say those in their 20's are the "me" generation. (Very selfish,
>> only think about themselves, etc.) [snip remainder of big steaming
>> load...]

> Well, that's funny - that's what people in their 40s and up were saying
> about people in their 20s back in the 1970s when I was in my 20s.

Funny, when I saw the words "'me' generation", those are the exact numbers
I thought of -- people who were in their 20's in the 1970's.

- Logan

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 15 2007 6:31 pm
From: Logan Shaw

barbie gee wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, Millhaven wrote:

>> Why the hell do people get married nowadays anyway? Seems to be a
>> rather obsolete concept compared to a generation or two. Rather
>> pointless really.

> unless you don't mind fatherless and/or illegitimate children being bred.

I don't see that there's necessarily a connection between fatherless
children and unmarried parents. An unmarried couple could have a
child together and the father could be a great parent, very involved
with his child's life. A married couple could get a divorce and the
father could stay very involved in the children's lives[1]. Or a married
couple could stay married and the father could pretend as much as
possible that the children don't exist and devote no effort to raising
them.

- Logan

[1] Note that I'm not saying I think divorce isn't hard on children.
I think it's very hard on them. I just don't think it means
the father automatically disappears.

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 15 2007 7:03 pm
From: E Z Peaces

AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
> "Rudy Canoza" <rudy-canoza@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:13c68eihfkvjabf@corp.supernews.com...
>
> snip
>
>> There was an excellent article back in 1992 in the Atlantic Monthly about
>> the "new generation gap". It concerned the aging baby boomers and the
>> then-young Gen-Xers. The story is at
>> http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/92dec/9212genx.htm, but you need to be a
>> subscriber to get to it. I'll post the first four paragraphs below.
>> Meanwhile, in the story, the authors indicate that there was an earlier
>> generation gap much like the 1960s gap between boomers and their parents,
>> back around 1880. What was then the younger generation they labeled the
>> Missionary Generation, as these were the young folks who were going to
>> save the world by going off to Asia to "save" the heathen. Their parents
>> were the Civil War generation who fought in the great war, much as
>> boomers' parents were the "Greatest" generation who saved the day in the
>> 1940s. The parents became materialistic after the war; the young'uns were
>> idealistic and anti-material. One of the main themes of the story is that
>> these generational archetypes are repeating, and in pretty much the same
>> order.
>
> i think this is because most young people are idealistic,
> and as they get older, they get some wisdom (hopefully)
> and see the world for what it is, and so they start sounding
> like their parents.
>
>
>
I thought I read that article. The article I read made a lasting
impression. I don't know if it used the word "narcissistic", but that's
what it called the Missionary Generation. They were the most educated
in history. With education came the expectation of privilege and
authority.

As young adults they set records as substance abusers and sexual
libertines behind a righteous facade. Their morality regarding their
children, born about 1890 to 1910, was that children must not be
spoiled. Babies born out of wedlock were turned over to institutions
where nurses did not spoil them by heeding their cries. In some the
mortality was 100%.

These were required to attend school but were the worst educated since
the start of compulsory schooling. Teachers encouraged them to drop out
and go to work. Child exploitation thrived. When they were old enough,
they were ordered to charge machine guns. They died by the millions and
the patriotic Missionary Generation found it glorious. When the
survivors got home the Missionary Generation outlawed alcohol.

The article says this generation, with their limited booklearning and
history of being abused and neglected, were the best Americans of
several generations. The next generation, who fought WWII, are called
the greatest, but the WWI generation were the voters and policymakers
who determined how America undertook that war.

"Gunsmoke" showed the values of the WWI generation. It's different from
the Westerns earlier and later generations preferred.

The article I read drew comparisons between the Boomers and the
Missionaries and says GenX may shape up like the WWI generation.

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 15 2007 7:14 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

E Z Peaces <cash@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>> "Rudy Canoza" <rudy-canoza@excite.com> wrote in message
>> news:13c68eihfkvjabf@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> snip
>>
>>> There was an excellent article back in 1992 in the Atlantic Monthly
>>> about the "new generation gap". It concerned the aging baby
>>> boomers and the then-young Gen-Xers. The story is at
>>> http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/92dec/9212genx.htm, but you need
>>> to be a subscriber to get to it. I'll post the first four
>>> paragraphs below. Meanwhile, in the story, the authors indicate
>>> that there was an earlier generation gap much like the 1960s gap
>>> between boomers and their parents, back around 1880. What was then
>>> the younger generation they labeled the Missionary Generation, as
>>> these were the young folks who were going to save the world by
>>> going off to Asia to "save" the heathen. Their parents were the
>>> Civil War generation who fought in the great war, much as boomers'
>>> parents were the "Greatest" generation who saved the day in the
>>> 1940s. The parents became materialistic after the war; the
>>> young'uns were idealistic and anti-material. One of the main
>>> themes of the story is that these generational archetypes are
>>> repeating, and in pretty much the same order.
>>
>> i think this is because most young people are idealistic,
>> and as they get older, they get some wisdom (hopefully)
>> and see the world for what it is, and so they start sounding
>> like their parents.

> I thought I read that article. The article I read made a lasting impression.

Its pretty superficial.

> I don't know if it used the word "narcissistic", but that's what it called the Missionary
> Generation. They were the most educated in history.

You essentially say the opposite below.

> With education came the expectation of privilege and authority.

That wasnt true of the bottom of that society.

> As young adults they set records as substance abusers and sexual
> libertines behind a righteous facade. Their morality regarding their
> children, born about 1890 to 1910, was that children must not be
> spoiled.

> Babies born out of wedlock were turned over to institutions where nurses did not spoil them by
> heeding their cries.

That only happened with some stratas of society.

> In some the mortality was 100%.

For other reasons.

> These were required to attend school but were the worst educated since the start of compulsory
> schooling.

Thats the opposite of what you said above.

> Teachers encouraged them to drop out and go to work.

Its more that society did than the teachers.

> Child exploitation thrived.

And had done for generations before that too.

> When they were old enough, they were ordered to charge machine guns. They died by the millions

No they didnt in the US.

> and the patriotic Missionary Generation found it glorious. When the survivors got home the
> Missionary Generation outlawed alcohol.

> The article says this generation, with their limited booklearning and
> history of being abused and neglected, were the best Americans of
> several generations. The next generation, who fought WWII, are called the greatest, but the WWI
> generation were the voters and policymakers who determined how America undertook that war.

No they didnt. That wasnt determined by the voters at all.

> "Gunsmoke" showed the values of the WWI generation. It's different
> from the Westerns earlier and later generations preferred.

> The article I read drew comparisons between the Boomers and the
> Missionaries and says GenX may shape up like the WWI generation.

And you've completely ignored the 20s.

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 15 2007 7:18 pm
From: throwitout

On Aug 15, 11:10 am, "Bill" <bill190nos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> They say those in their 20's are the "me" generation. (Very selfish, only
> think about themselves, etc.)
>
> Well I am finding it interesting to see modern day marriages between some of
> these people. Especially when they talk about money matters...
>
> It is "my" money and "her" money. Or "my" money and "his" money.
>
> "I can't watch "my" TV show because she did not pay for the cable TV with
> "her" money like she was supposed to."
>
> "I'm not paying for that with "my" money, you pay for it with "your" money!"
>
> There is "his" bank account and "her" bank account.
>
> The monthly car insurance bill for two cars comes as two separate
> statements. One for his car, the other for hers. He pays his with "his"
> money, she pays hers with "her" money. (They could of course get a discount
> if they placed both cars under the same policy.)
>
> Etc.
>
> When I was that age, it was "our" money. "We" paid for this that and the
> other thing. One checking account in "our" names. "We" would decide to buy
> or not buy something for "us".
>
> My parents were the same way as well as all the other families I knew
> growing up.

As women usually say "What's mine is mine and what's his is ours"

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 15 2007 3:54 pm
From: Ludi Duke

Milenko Kindl

Hospital officials in northwestern Iraq have told TIME that the death
toll from Tuesday's blasts in Qahataniya may exceed 300, making the
multiple suicide bombings the deadliest terrorist operation in the
country since the fall of Saddam Hussein. One hospital is saying that
there are at least 500 bodies and that 375 people are injured. That
report, however, cannot yet be verified. The only previous occasion
when the toll from concerted attacks has exceeded 200 was last
November, when six car-bombs in Baghdad's Sadr City killed 215 people.
If the toll in the Qataniya incident grows, it could become the worst
terrorist incident since al-Qaeda's September 11, 2001 attack on the
U.S. (The Beslan massacre in Russia in September 2004 came to
approximately 330, about half of the total children).

Since then, the massive "surge" of U.S. and Iraqi troops in and around
Baghdad has made the Iraqi capital safer than before from such
bombings - but terrorist groups have stepped up attacks elsewhere.
There have been a number of attacks in northern Iraq, which had
enjoyed a long spell of peace before the start of the "surge."

Tuesday's bombings were also a reminder that even successful U.S.
military operations can have a short shelf life - a sobering thought
for Bush Administration officials and independent analysts who have
recently been talking up the successes of the "surge." After all, the
area around Qahataniya was the scene of a major anti-insurgent
operation barely two years ago. In the fall of 2005, some 8,000
American and Iraqi troops flushed a terrorist group out of the nearby
town of Tal Afar in an operation that was a precursor to the "clear,
hold and build" strategy that underpins the current "surge." A few
months later, President Bush cited Tal Afar as a success story for the
U.S. enterprise in Iraq.

There have been several attacks in and around Tal Afar since then;
last March, two truck bombs killed more than 100 people in a Shi'ite
neighborhood in the town. The bombings in Qahataniya were a deadly
reminder that the terrorists have not gone very far away.

The U.S. military said al-Qaeda was the prime suspect; some Iraqi
government officials fingered Ansar al-Sunnah, which has links to al-
Qaeda and has long been active in northern Iraq. Early reports suggest
the majority of the victims were Yazidis, a pre-Islamic sect in Syria
and northern Iraq.

Throughout history, Yazidis have faced persecution because an
archangel they worship as a representative of God is often identified
by Muslims (and some Christians) as Satan. Branded as devil
worshipers, they are detested by extremists on both sides of Iraq's
sectarian divide.

The Yazidis have their own extremists: earlier this year, members of
the community stoned to death a young woman they accused of converting
to Sunni Islam to marry her lover. A widely distributed video of the
stoning inflamed Sunni sentiments; in retaliation, insurgents executed
23 Yazidi factory workers near Mosul. With reporting by Andrew Lee
Butters

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 15 2007 3:54 pm
From: Ludi Duke

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 15 2007 3:55 pm
From: Ludi Duke

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 15 2007 4:06 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <1187158684.233098.163070@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
The Usual Suspect <ludmillia100@hotmail.com> wrote:
[ ... ]
>Also, I'm going to dye a stained white outfit with something cheap and
>natural. But I hate to waste my teabags. Would coffee work?

It might. You could reuse teabags for dying; other natural options are
onion skins, turmeric, mustard, blueberries, and woad.

Note that natural dyes tend to fade quickly in sunlight.

Gary

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 15 2007 5:30 pm
From: "SpammersDie"

<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> clams casino <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote:
>
>>I'd place networking ahead of a degree and thirdly experience.
>
> Interesting idea!
>
> So you feel that networking trumps even education and
> work experience?
>
> And that "who you know" is THE most important factor in
> success in work world?
>
> Agree?

At least when it comes to getting that job. (Keeping it is a slightly
different matter.)

Hiring an employee is an expensive and high risk investment and you're
entrusting him with company assets and secrets. And with all the labor
protection laws (and lawyers), cancelling your subscription to his services
is also costly and fraught with legal risk.

So you're faced with a choice of two hires. One of them has been personally
known to a trusted colleague of yours for years and he absolutely vouches
for the guy's skill and integrity. The other you only know because he sent
you a piece of junk mail (um, resume) advertising his services. They both
look great on paper.

Which one are you going to go with?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 15 2007 6:21 pm
From: Logan Shaw

me@privacy.net wrote:
> like to see change is the METHOD in which classes are
> taught
>
> let me explain.... instead of taking say four classes
> simultaneous..... calculus, chemistry, history,
> ethics... and having to meet all kinds of weird
> schedules.... why not do ONE subject at a time for say
> three hrs a day but for three or four weeks? THEN.....
> move on to next subject and do the same way?

Well, if that's what you want, maybe you should be going to Cornell
College[1]. Read the links:

http://www.cornellcollege.edu/ocaat/index.shtml

http://www.cornellcollege.edu/ocaat/faq.shtml

Having said that, I believe they're a small liberal arts school, so if
you want an engineering or science degree, they're not the right place
to go, probably.

- Logan

[1] Not the same thing as Cornell University.

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TOPIC: Worth buying digital camera 'extended warranty' ?
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Date: Wed, Aug 15 2007 7:21 pm
From: Rick

OhioGuy wrote:
>
> Our Kodak digital camera died during our recent vacation. I won't spend
> more than about $100 for a digital camera. This is because I've had
> relatives go on and on about how I just need to spend more money, and then
> soon after they have trouble with their $300 digital cameras. For me, it
> all comes down to replacement cost. If I get used to spending much over
> $100 for a digital camera, the replacement cost gets burdensome. Plus, the
> technology is still changing rapidly in this field, so even if a camera
> lasted a few years, I'm sure I would get the itch to upgrade.
>
> Unfortunately, nearly all of the digital cameras I've bought over the past
> 7 years have lasted little more than a year. Some have lasted 8 months,
> others a year and a half, but the average is about one year.
>
> This time, I really did my research. Pretty much all of the sub-$100
> digital camera reviews I found online were negative, except for those
> relating to the HP E427. It's a 6 MP digital camera that is available right
> now at Circuit City for $80. The vast amount of reviews for it I found
> online were glowingly positive.
>
> Now that I've made up my mind on a replacement camera, I'm wondering if it
> would be worth buying some sort of "service protection plan" for it. I wish
> Target sold this camera - they have a 3 year replacement warranty they sell
> for $19. Unfortunately, Circuit City has just a 2 year one they sell, for
> $15. With my history with digital cameras, it would probably die in about a
> year anyway.
>
> With my bad luck with digital cameras, do you think it is worth getting
> the Circuit City protection plan? Would I be better off finding another
> plan, or just passing on it?
>
> Thanks!

As Nancy Reagan used to say "Just don't do it!!!" 8-)

All kidding aside I have to really question what the heck you are doing
to those digital cameras that you kill them off every year on average.
Either you have the worst possible luck choosing the worst possible
camera every time, or you are doing something with how you use/handle
them that brings them to a premature death.

I have three of them in a "paid" (not retail price) price range of 80
dollars, 120.00 dollars and 500 dollars. None of them have died. And the
$500.00 one - a five year old Fuji MX2900Z 2.3 megapixel - is still used
*heavily* and still works fine.

That all being said, you are not the person to by an extended warranty.
Because the first rule of voiding an extended warranty is saying to the
customer "you dropped it" and that's where your "protection" ends. With
cameras they will only fix *known* manufacturer defects. And
until/unless/after the manufacturer gets a few thousand calls from
consumers screaming bloody hell about the exact same problem you won't
see any camera repair under extended warranty.

Lap top extended warranties? The favorite way Lenovo voids extended
warranty coverage of late is to claim "water damage" to a lap top. Not a
half gallon of water in the lap top. The dried residue of what might
have been moisture covering less than a quarter centimeter of a board in
the lap top. That may have been deposited there and dried while the lap
top was being assembled... And usually not visible to the naked eye.

Rick

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