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Today's topics:

* Do Not buy from Circuit City - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3fb963f1666140e8?hl=en
* Natural gas space heaters - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/620118e627721656?hl=en
* Will an oil-filled radiator save me money? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f6eb6f9a24be546e?hl=en
* how much are you all paying for cell phone service and are you happy with
your plan? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9013263c432ebe2f?hl=en
* So quiet in here. Everyone Chrismas shopping? - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/14ff3a2698c21c95?hl=en
* HDTV software - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/cc95cc03b4e8e5f5?hl=en
* Did hot air popcorn machines go extinct? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/1cd18f9995361a81?hl=en
* HYUNDAI WARRANTY - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ef493d1b2fffa985?hl=en
* ((((((jenitha)))))) I really hope you get this job. I wish you the best - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e903f2166467c777?hl=en
* Cheap Fashion Shoes & Clothing & Mobile Phones & Handbags Wholesale on www.
fashion-sky.com - 5 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/526b0c6f8869b070?hl=en

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TOPIC: Do Not buy from Circuit City
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3fb963f1666140e8?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 8:39 pm
From: JL

>> Especially considering you then cancelled the order when you
>> found that you couldn't arrange to have anyone pick it up after all.
>>
>> The scenario doesn't reflect badly at all on Circuit City, but on
>> you as an unreasonable customer.
>>
>> Don

My wife works at a Buick dealership and sees a lot of demanding
customers everyday. Some people expect to buy the car for $50-$100 over
dealer cost and to have their asses kissed thoroughly and completely the
entire transaction.

As far as Circuit City, I haven't shopped there in years. I think the
last item I bought there was a video card for my friend's PC (was an
emergency situation). It was overpriced but had the advantage of being
readily available. I usually order my PC parts from newegg.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 6:35 pm
From: Marsha

JL wrote:
> My wife works at a Buick dealership and sees a lot of demanding
> customers everyday. Some people expect to buy the car for $50-$100 over
> dealer cost and to have their asses kissed thoroughly and completely the
> entire transaction.

What does your wife consider a fair offer for a new car?

Marsha/Ohio

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TOPIC: Natural gas space heaters
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 5:41 pm
From: sylvan butler

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:06:57 -0500, clare at snyder.on.ca <clare> wrote:
> Vent free heaters produce COPIOUS amounts of water vapour - a much
> more serious issue in most cases thanoxygen depletement or CO
> concentration.

Except my humidifier (on a humidistat) runs nearly all winter long
anyway. So added humidity from unvented gas heater would not likely be
an issue. I'm thinking in climates where heating is needed (not just to
take the chill off, e.g. southern C.A.) lack of humidity is frequently
more of a problem than too much humidity.

sdb
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TOPIC: Will an oil-filled radiator save me money?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 5:56 pm
From: "Gini"

"Joe" wrote
...................
>
> Yeah well, I have a couple of children that have a penchant for
> knocking their covers off in the middle of the night so I have to keep
> the heat in the low sixties in case.
====
That's what pajama sleepers are for. You can even layer them.
That worked quite well when we lived in an uninsulated 19th century
farmhouse with nothing more than
a wood stove for heat. Mornings were a little nippy--frost on the windows
and such.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 9:09 pm
From: Rick

Joe wrote:
>
> On Dec 21, 10:30 am, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
>
> > I live in a house built in 1920 with additions in 70's. Even in the
> > 70's wall insulation was not used. I remember standing *over* my gas
> > floor heater and shivering. Now that I've insulated the walls and
> > insulated the windows I heat that same room with a electric radiator and
> > it is much more comfortable. One fifth the heat, five times the comfort
> > level.
> >
>
> How can I tell by touch that my walls need more insulation? I thought
> last year that my walls suffered from inadequate insulation but then I
> felt the walls of my front hallway which are definitely not insulated
> and they were freezing. My inside walls were just cold. But I've felt
> the walls of newer houses and they were cold too, not as cold as mine
> but still cold to the touch. I did some cursory research on blown in
> insulation last year and I remember reading that it is only
> recommended for use in uninsulated walls. Is that true?

You said in an earlier post that you just bought this house last year.
Wasn't any of this - insulation or the lack of it - discovered in the
inspection? (Please tell me you didn't buy the house without getting an
inspection...) If it was inspected the person *must* have looked in an
attic or crawl space and could have given an assessment regarding
insulation in a matter of minutes - heck seconds - just by looking in
the attic.

Rick

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TOPIC: how much are you all paying for cell phone service and are you happy
with your plan?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 8:54 pm
From: JL

I'd like to do a survey of how you all like your plans. I just signed
up with Sprint. $59/month for the "550 anytime minutes plan" for 2
phones (family plan--wife and I have to share the 550 minutes) plus
$15/month for the Access Pack (unlimited web browsing on the phone).
That's a total of $74/month for 2 phones with 550 anytime minutes. Plus
we received 2 brand new phones -- the LG LX-160 which are nice and that
have great screens.

There's a TV pack for $20/month that includes the web browsing in the
Access Pack plus allows you to watch shows from over 20 different
networks on your phone -- like ABC, CBS, Comedy Central, etc.. I'm not
sure if watching TV on the phone eats up your anytime minutes. If not,
I'll probably delete the Access Pack and upgrade to the TV Pack.

A friend of mine has Revol but he says the coverage area is spotty.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 8:46 pm
From: "Daniel T."

On Dec 21, 11:54 pm, JL <no...@nowheresville.biz> wrote:

> I'd like to do a survey of how you all like your plans. I just signed
> up with Sprint. $59/month for the "550 anytime minutes plan" for 2
> phones (family plan--wife and I have to share the 550 minutes) plus
> $15/month for the Access Pack (unlimited web browsing on the phone).
> That's a total of $74/month for 2 phones with 550 anytime minutes. Plus
> we received 2 brand new phones -- the LG LX-160 which are nice and that
> have great screens.

Wow, that's expensive. I got 3 (free) phones and 1000 minutes,
unlimited minutes nights and weekends, and unlimited minutes when
calling each-other for only $100 (after taxes, that's my final bill.)

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TOPIC: So quiet in here. Everyone Chrismas shopping?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 6:15 pm
From: Marsha

Lou wrote:
> "Marsha" <mas@xeb.net> wrote in message news:fkhm3f$qd9$1@news.datemas.de...
>
>>Derald wrote:
>>
>>>Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I don't mean to offend anyone, but to
>>>>cut down a live tree and then discard it when you're done just does not
>>>>make sense to me, even if it is from a "tree farm".
>>>
>>>Funny, that's exactly how some folks feel about commercially grown
>>>flowers.
>>
>>Flowers that die and get thrown away are not a practical gift, IMO. It
>>makes more sense to get something that can be re-planted, so you can
>>enjoy it for years.
>
>
> Cut flowers aren't meant to be practical. They're meant to be pretty.
> Sometimes they're meant to show that the giver is well enough off that every
> decision doesn't have to be ruled by strict practicality. Even when the
> whatever could be replanted, that doesn't necessarily mean that you could
> enjoy flowers in the middle of winter, a time when some people might
> appreciate them the most. And oh yeah, a good many flowers are annuals, and
> even if replanted, wouldn't last beyond one season anyway.
>

Obviously cut flowers aren't meant to be practical and obviously some
are only annuals. That's why I don't like them. I don't enjoy looking
at flowers for a few days, watching them die, and then throwing them
away. When I mentioned re-planting, I meant something suitable to plant
outdoors for the giftee's climate or something that could be grown in
indoors.

Marsha/Ohio

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 6:25 pm
From: Dennis

On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:15:00 -0500, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:

>Okay, I get it now. This was just one of those things that needed an
>explanation or example different than what I was thinking. Enjoy your tree!

Thank you -- Happy Holidays to you too!

I'm not sure how what seemed (to me) like an innocent question about
Christmas trees engendered so many nasty replies. Kind of ironic,
given the original subject of the thread. Maybe all the spam has put
folks in flame-first-ask-questions-later mode.

Dennis (evil)
--
I'm behind the eight ball, ahead of the curve, riding the wave,
dodging the bullet and pushing the envelope. -George Carlin

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 8:25 pm
From: "Mike M."

"Marsha" <mas@xeb.net> wrote in message news:fkhrvk$1bc$1@news.datemas.de...
> Lou wrote:
>> "Marsha" <mas@xeb.net> wrote in message
>> news:fkhm3f$qd9$1@news.datemas.de...
>>
>>>Derald wrote:
>>>
>>>>Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I don't mean to offend anyone, but to
>>>>>cut down a live tree and then discard it when you're done just does not
>>>>>make sense to me, even if it is from a "tree farm".
>>>>
>>>>Funny, that's exactly how some folks feel about commercially grown
>>>>flowers.
>>>
>>>Flowers that die and get thrown away are not a practical gift, IMO. It
>>>makes more sense to get something that can be re-planted, so you can
>>>enjoy it for years.
>>
>>
>> Cut flowers aren't meant to be practical. They're meant to be pretty.
>> Sometimes they're meant to show that the giver is well enough off that
>> every
>> decision doesn't have to be ruled by strict practicality. Even when the
>> whatever could be replanted, that doesn't necessarily mean that you could
>> enjoy flowers in the middle of winter, a time when some people might
>> appreciate them the most. And oh yeah, a good many flowers are annuals,
>> and
>> even if replanted, wouldn't last beyond one season anyway.
>>
>
> Obviously cut flowers aren't meant to be practical and obviously some are
> only annuals. That's why I don't like them. I don't enjoy looking at
> flowers for a few days, watching them die, and then throwing them away.
> When I mentioned re-planting, I meant something suitable to plant outdoors
> for the giftee's climate or something that could be grown in indoors.
>
> Marsha/Ohio

Or, as it relates to dead Christmas trees, their post-life usefulness
(mainly in the form of mulch - our city gathers and chips the trees, then
gives away the mulch to area residents and/or distributes the waste product
at various local parks/median strips) continues on long after they have
served their main purpose.

"Green", brown... I guess it's all the same. Their death is not totally in
vain (more free mulch for me!)

Mike
--treeless, in accordance with my own personal beliefs, though I respect
(and defend) others' right to choose

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TOPIC: HDTV software
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 6:58 pm
From: Jeff

This is an update to an earlier post I wrote about watching HDTV on
the PC. It's working fairly well... Blows away my TV, and I can work
while I have the TV in the background.

There was some software mentioned. I'd like to try something other
than the software that came with my Volar, it's pretty, but a little
annoying to use.

Thanks for the help, can you repost the software info?

Jeff

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TOPIC: Did hot air popcorn machines go extinct?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 8:22 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

>splitpea34On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:45:43 -0400, Rick <rickajho@rcn.com> wrote:

>But shocked I am to find out that
>popcorn machines - especially hot air poppers - seemed to have vanished.

Why? They proved themselves to be the idiotic idea that they were.
Hot air poppers produce popcorn that is worthy of use in the national
sawdust eating competiton as an extra points category. Popping corn
without oil or flavoring such as are used in kettle corn is like
cooking your porterhouse steak in the microwave. It tastes like crap,
it wastes your time, and is a waste of money.

Movie theatres promoted oil-free popcorn back in the 1980s. The
public responded with a resounding "YUCK!!" Your "I am shocked!" is
as cardboard as the one in "Casablanca."

Buy a real popcorn machine. Cretors still makes good ones, and if you
can find a Manley that still works and use coconut oil, you'll have
people wanting you to package it for them to take home.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 9:20 pm
From: Rick

hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >splitpea34On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:45:43 -0400, Rick <rickajho@rcn.com> wrote:
>
> >But shocked I am to find out that
> >popcorn machines - especially hot air poppers - seemed to have vanished.
>
> Why? They proved themselves to be the idiotic idea that they were.
> Hot air poppers produce popcorn that is worthy of use in the national
> sawdust eating competiton as an extra points category. Popping corn
> without oil or flavoring such as are used in kettle corn is like
> cooking your porterhouse steak in the microwave. It tastes like crap,
> it wastes your time, and is a waste of money.
>
> Movie theatres promoted oil-free popcorn back in the 1980s. The
> public responded with a resounding "YUCK!!" Your "I am shocked!" is
> as cardboard as the one in "Casablanca."
>
> Buy a real popcorn machine. Cretors still makes good ones, and if you
> can find a Manley that still works and use coconut oil, you'll have
> people wanting you to package it for them to take home.

Not for me - thanks. Some of us can live with - and like - food that
isn't drenched in fats and sugars. If I wanted to make it with oil I
wouldn't be asking about hot air poppers. I'd just make it on the stove
like my parents did - in any old 5 quart pan with a cup of "popcorn oil"
for every batch. To each his own "Yuck!"

Rick

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TOPIC: HYUNDAI WARRANTY
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 10:17 pm
From: Bill

"ROBERTMARKMAN@SBCGLOBAL.NET" wrote:
>
> We bought a 2002 Elantra GT, largely because of its generous warranty.

I have a 2001 Elantra GT and recently (after passing the 5
year/60k bumper-to-bumper warranty limit, I had the check engine
light come on. I had this happen once under warranty and it was
a sensor, and that turned out to be what it was this time as
well. My local mechanic diagnosed it and I told him not to fix
it if it was power train related because the Hyundai had the 10
year/100k mile power train coverage. So I brought it to the
dealer. I had to agree to pay their $95 diagnosis charge, which
would be waived if it was covered by warranty; since I assumed
it would be, I told them fine. They told me it was a sensor, and
because it was EXTERNAL to the transmission, it was NOT covered
by the power train warranty. At that point I had to pay another
$95 (hourly labor charge) and $200 or so for the sensor. What
really pissed me off was that the labor for each piece was
probably much less than an hour, but they charged it separately.
And they were completely unsympathetic about it being power
train that should be covered under warranty.

I had the same thing happen several months later. This time I
called Hyundai hoping I could convince them to cover it under
warranty. They actually called the dealer and told me I had to
bring it to the dealer, who of course would have to diagnose it,
and of course would not cover it if it was external (which it
was). I let me mechanic do it instead.

I currently have the air bag light coming on. My mechanic said
it needs a new air bag but I am fairly sure it's another sensor
(he doesn't see a lot of Hyundais so he isn't familiar with
their problems). Apparently Hyundais are becoming notorious for
this sort of this once they get out of warranty. I really like
the Elantra GT, but I don't think I'd buy another Hyundai
because of this warranty BS.

Bill

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TOPIC: ((((((jenitha)))))) I really hope you get this job. I wish you the best
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== 1 of 1 ==
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TOPIC: Cheap Fashion Shoes & Clothing & Mobile Phones & Handbags Wholesale on

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