Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 16 topics

Thursday, January 17, 2008

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TOPIC: RodSpeed, Australia investing
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 17 2008 7:42 am
From: KarlMarx_MiddleClass_Ipod_HipHop

The exchange traded fund for Australia, EWA, is looking tempting for a
passive way to invest in Australia. I am liking the dividend yield on
it as a nice little cushion to investing in the continent. What you
say?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 17 2008 10:54 am
From: "Rod Speed"

KarlMarx_MiddleClass_Ipod_HipHop <kwokx2@hotmail.com> wrote:

> The exchange traded fund for Australia, EWA, is looking tempting for
> a passive way to invest in Australia. I am liking the dividend yield on
> it as a nice little cushion to investing in the continent. What you say?

Dunno anything about it, I personally mostly invest directly, not via funds.

The chart doesnt look that flash pre 2003, not clear what changed.

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TOPIC: OT: Why I hate Geico ads
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 17 2008 8:24 am
From: "Kris Baker"

"Boothbay" <harri85274@aol.com> wrote in message
news:cf6f27ad-a152-4a74-a214-f4a52036fc15@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> I never thought that I would be using my remote as often as I have. I
> thought the benefit would be more for changing channels...but mute
> seems to be taking over most of my movements on it. The old man's
> voice on Empire's flooring, the cockney of Geico and that so called
> fat idiot doing a 'gene kelly' dance movement in selling a car..anyone
> who can jump like that over a car without breaking one's neck is a
> miracle. It was so phoney.

Gene Kelly?

What are you, 100 years old? It's a take-off on "Flashdance".

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 17 2008 9:44 am
From: Bermuda999

On Jan 17, 9:34�am, ultim...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 15, 3:39 pm, "Green Xenon [Radium]" <gluceg...@excite.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > John A. Weeks III wrote:
>
> > > In article <478d3ad3$0$28185$9a6e1...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> > > �TomAldr...@newshosting.com wrote:
>
> > >> On 15-Jan-2008, "Green Xenon [Radium]" <gluceg...@excite.com> wrote:
>
> > >>> Fuck geico's piece of shit ads.
> > >> I'm just sick and tired of seeing the fuckin ads all the time.
>
> > > Cool, a "yellow dog" posting. �You see the GEICO ads because
> > > (1) the ads work very well, and (2) you choose to see them.
> > > There are easy ways to skip commercials, and those that still
> > > watch commercials do so by choice as a result.
>
> > > -john-
>
> > Not everyone has the luxury of being able to skip commercials. I am one
> > of these unfortunate ones. When I am watching an excellent show or movie
> > and it is interrupted by crap like those Geico ads, it really irritates me.
>
> �I watch very little tee vee nowadays anyway, so I am not real
> bothered by advertisements in general.
>
> *****HOWEVER*****
>
> �If an ad shows something gross (like a dog eating peanut butter with
> amplified slurping sounds in the background, or somebody barfing their
> guts out) THEN I will get pissed.

Could you point out the commercial which shows someone barfing their
guts out?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 17 2008 11:58 am
From: David Johnston

On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:23:53 -0800 (PST), ultimauw@hotmail.com wrote:

>> There is also another geico ad that I hate with a passion which I wasn't
>> able to find. It's a black and white ad depicting the old days when
>> there was no internet. That ad talks about some
>
>OK, so people are getting murdered, raped, pillaged, plundered, kicked
>out of their homes, and all kinds of nasty shit that you cannot
>possibly imagine happening to them,

I'd be pretty annoyed if I had to see that too. Fortunately, I don't.

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TOPIC: Internet TV vs regular TV?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 17 2008 8:38 am
From: me@privacy.net

Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Another option that I have not seen mentioned: A $9/mo NetFlix
>subscription gets you unlimited DVDs by mail, (one out at a time -- I
>can usually turn around two per week), plus unlimited online viewing.
>Currently their online catalog is somewhat limited (at least compared
>to their DVD catalog), but it may improve. Both include TV series as
>well as movies.
>
>The quality of the online viewing with my DSL connection is
>acceptable, but not up to broadcast level.

Interesting..... thanks!

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 17 2008 11:05 am
From: "Bob F"

<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:gj6qo3hj31j6rblq18ub55po0vsvculh97@4ax.com...
> "Leroy" <leroy@ addy.invalid> wrote:
>
>>IMO, the best of both worlds for your new PC is to use
>>for graphics a card with built in TV/FM tuner. Use the
>>tuner for local OTA TV and FM. Use the internet to
>>get shows and movies *on demand*. The tuner
>>feature of a graphics card doesn't add much to the cost
>>and is well worth while.
>
> OK thanks
>
> Sounds like a plan.
>
> I read somewhere recently.... PC Mag I think..... that
> in near future ALL TV will come over the Internet.....
> and we will look back at dedicated cable TV systems,
> etc in laughing way.

I'm sure those with a max 28.8 kbaud internet connection will appreciate that.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 17 2008 11:59 am
From: Terry Terry

On Jan 16, 7:44 pm, Dennis <dg...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Another option that I have not seen mentioned: A $9/mo NetFlix
> subscription gets you unlimited DVDs by mail, (one out at a time -- I
> can usually turn around two per week), plus unlimited online viewing.
> Currently their online catalog is somewhat limited (at least compared
> to their DVD catalog), but it may improve. Both include TV series as
> well as movies.
>
> The quality of the online viewing with my DSL connection is
> acceptable, but not up to broadcast level.
>

The 9buck a month is DVDs you can watch in a player. Right? You
don't have to have broadband for this? We have dialup

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 17 2008 12:31 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

Bob F wrote:
> <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> I read somewhere recently.... PC Mag I think..... that
>> in near future ALL TV will come over the Internet.....
>
> I'm sure those with a max 28.8 kbaud internet connection will appreciate that.

Maybe, if the government was forward looking, they would
have mandated and financed high speed internet to every
house much like they had electricity installed everywhere.

http://www.muniwireless.com/article/articleview/5011

Anthony

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 17 2008 8:50 am
From: "Topp@Work"

"Paul Ciszek" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> In article <Ju6dnSih3LLJ_xLanZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> Topp@Work <topprolmc@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >LOL.
> >CONGRESS CONTROLS THE MONEY you fool....
>
> Don't worry, the Republicans are losing that too. Excuse me, I have to
> go break up some hanky-panky in the men's room...

Considering the Democrats took congress last year and promised to save the
world
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the presidents,
you can bark up that tree all you want...

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TOPIC: Is There A Phone Carrier That ONLY CHARGES for International Calls That
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 17 2008 8:50 am
From: Seni Seven

I am looking for a phone service that will attempt to connect my
international calls and ONLY CHARGES me for the call if it actually
connects.

Which phone services are those? It helps if they provide mobile service
with a large coverage area geographically.

Note to self: It seems the model for phone service has changed, and that
they will charge the consumer just for creating a dial tone.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 17 2008 10:32 am
From: George Grapman

Seni Seven wrote:
> I am looking for a phone service that will attempt to connect my
> international calls and ONLY CHARGES me for the call if it actually
> connects.

I have never heard of a phone company that charges for calls of any
type that are not completed. Some cell providers might charge if you let
the phone ring more than 30 seconds but I would flee from a form that
did that.
>
> Which phone services are those? It helps if they provide mobile service
> with a large coverage area geographically.
>
>
> Note to self: It seems the model for phone service has changed, and that
> they will charge the consumer just for creating a dial tone.

I work in telecom. You pay for the dial tome whether you use it or
not.If you get charged for anything else aside from fees and taxes when
no calls are made you are being defrauded but my guess is you are just
confused.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 17 2008 10:58 am
From: Seni Seven

George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in misc.consumers:

> Seni Seven wrote:
>> I am looking for a phone service that will attempt to connect my
>> international calls and ONLY CHARGES me for the call if it actually
>> connects.
>
> I have never heard of a phone company that charges for calls of any
> type that are not completed.

Now you have. They are called "MetroPCS" and I nearly fell out of my
chair when I realized what the CSR at MetroPCS said to me: "Yes, there is
a charge even if you don't connect."

> Some cell providers might charge if you
> let the phone ring more than 30 seconds but I would flee from a form
> that did that.

It takes more than 30 seconds for the MetroPCS recording to say to me:
"You are making a call at the rate of zero dollars and five cents per
minute plus tax and fees...."

So a FEE will ALWAYS be charged because the connect time includes the
recording.

I got them primarily because they were cheap on connected calls to my
target country, Turkey...cheaper than anyone else.

I now have to amend that since it is FREQUENTLY the case that calls don't
make connections to Turkey.

>>
>> Which phone services are those? It helps if they provide mobile
>> service with a large coverage area geographically.
>>
>>
>> Note to self: It seems the model for phone service has changed, and
>> that they will charge the consumer just for creating a dial tone.
>
> I work in telecom. You pay for the dial tome whether you use it or
> not.If you get charged for anything else aside from fees and taxes
> when no calls are made you are being defrauded but my guess is you are
> just confused.

I am not talking about the subscriber monthly rate.

I am talking about getting charged for making a call that never connects.

I have METRO PCS $45 dollar plan, which lets me call anywhere anytime for
as long as I want and I don't get charged per call.

Not so with international connections. I even get charged just for
dialing the number.

If you know of a carrier that does NOT have the same policy and has
reasonable per-minute rates to the target country, I am enthusiastically
sitting here for your reply.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 17 2008 10:02 am
From: Jeff

Terry Terry wrote:
> On Jan 16, 5:28 pm, Al Bundy <MSfort...@mcpmail.com> wrote:
>> Terry Terry wrote:
>>> I have a Tracfone. I bought it for emergencies a month ago. The
>>> instructions say that the phone will withstand temperatures to -10C
>>> and will hold a charge for 10 days.
>>> They lie.
>>> Because I only use my phone for emergencies, I left my phone in my car
>>> for two nights. The temperature came near freezing, but did not drop
>>> to freezing.
>>> The phone battery died.
>>> I took it back. The girl at the counter said that all phones are like
>>> that. Don't leave the phone in the car. Is she telling the truth or
>>> should I insist on another phone?
>> Maybe the battery was bad or not fully charged. Since you only use it
>> for emergencies, presumably outgoing calls, why not remove or
>> disconnect the battery when not in use. It should keep it's charge for
>> weeks or months. I have a couple in a drawer here and I charge them
>> every 2-3 months, but they are still plenty live enough to make a call
>> even then. I am speaking about lithium-ion batteries. NI-CAD or NMH
>> won't hold a charge as long as they have a shorter shelf life.
>
> How would taking out the battery extend its life?

At least turn the phone off. But even with the phone off it is still
drawing some power, that switch is a software switch not a hardware
switch like your home light switches.
>
> I am thinking that the battery is bad and I should be able to exchange
> it for another phone. I had that in mind when I returned it to the
> store, but the girl at the counter said that was typical operation.

I'm thinking you did this awkwardly by starting a complaint about the
phone, hence putting the counter girl in confrontation mode.

It's always easier if you ask people to help you. Just tell her the
phone died and you don't know why, what can we do about it. Don't go
into why can't it stand the cold, don't even mention that.

I have similar problems when my girlfriend tries to take something
back, she complains and they refuse. Now she gets me to do it and there
are no problems. People will go out of their way to help if they want
to, otherwise you are by the book.

Jeff

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 17 2008 10:28 am
From: Terry Terry

On Jan 17, 1:02 pm, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
> Terry Terry wrote:
> > On Jan 16, 5:28 pm, Al Bundy <MSfort...@mcpmail.com> wrote:
> >> Terry Terry wrote:
> >>> I have a Tracfone. I bought it for emergencies a month ago. The
> >>> instructions say that the phone will withstand temperatures to -10C
> >>> and will hold a charge for 10 days.
> >>> They lie.
> >>> Because I only use my phone for emergencies, I left my phone in my car
> >>> for two nights. The temperature came near freezing, but did not drop
> >>> to freezing.
> >>> The phone battery died.
> >>> I took it back. The girl at the counter said that all phones are like
> >>> that. Don't leave the phone in the car. Is she telling the truth or
> >>> should I insist on another phone?
> >> Maybe the battery was bad or not fully charged. Since you only use it
> >> for emergencies, presumably outgoing calls, why not remove or
> >> disconnect the battery when not in use. It should keep it's charge for
> >> weeks or months. I have a couple in a drawer here and I charge them
> >> every 2-3 months, but they are still plenty live enough to make a call
> >> even then. I am speaking about lithium-ion batteries. NI-CAD or NMH
> >> won't hold a charge as long as they have a shorter shelf life.
>
> > How would taking out the battery extend its life?
>
> At least turn the phone off. But even with the phone off it is still
> drawing some power, that switch is a software switch not a hardware
> switch like your home light switches.
>
>
>
> > I am thinking that the battery is bad and I should be able to exchange
> > it for another phone. I had that in mind when I returned it to the
> > store, but the girl at the counter said that was typical operation.
>
> I'm thinking you did this awkwardly by starting a complaint about the
> phone, hence putting the counter girl in confrontation mode.
>
> It's always easier if you ask people to help you. Just tell her the
> phone died and you don't know why, what can we do about it. Don't go
> into why can't it stand the cold, don't even mention that.
>
> I have similar problems when my girlfriend tries to take something
> back, she complains and they refuse. Now she gets me to do it and there
> are no problems. People will go out of their way to help if they want
> to, otherwise you are by the book.
>
> Jeff

I don't think that is what happened. I have started shopping at Radio
Shack again. I quit for shopping there for a very long time because I
bought my first IBM compatible machine there. Anyway.....I know the
salesperson.

I could have insisted for an exchange and got one. I wasn't
complaining. I just told her what happened. I also think she told
the truth to me when she said that if I got another one it would do
the same thing.

I just wanted to hear from other cell phone users that may treat their
phones the same way. I want to leave my phone in my car when I am
away from home and not have it in my pocket. I know most people keep
their phone handy even if they don't plan to get any calls. I know I
will not be getting any calls, because I haven't given out my phone
number. I don't consider being out of bread an emergency.

The only thing I care to spend a dollar a min to call would be 911 or
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TOPIC: Home envy and pride
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/473445cf4b5a8b03?hl=en
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Date: Thurs, Jan 17 2008 10:41 am
From: Cindy Hamilton

On Jan 16, 7:57 pm, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 14, 8:20 am, hchick...@hotmail.com wrote:
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> > The other home show I watched last night was on some couples "moving
> > up," with couple A selling their old home to couple B who then sold
> > their old home to couple C. Each couple hated the decorating of the
> > previous owners, even though those owners had spent a lot of effort
> > and money making their homes into what they thought were showcases.
>
> > I guess that the snarky comments and snide remarks about bad taste
> > were good television for this era of viewers. However, they were at
> > the same time juvenile and happened to reinforce my thoughts that
> > building and decorating a home to impress other people makes as much
> > sense as gilding a barn. Unless you find a cow that appreciates gold
> > colored beams, you are wasting your efforts.
>
> > IMO, having a home that is comfortable and meets the needs of the
> > occupants is a much saner approach to decorating than spending money
> > trying to impress guests that may be in the home for a few hours a
> > year. Skimping on decorator frou frou can be a good way to save money
> > and time spent cleaning.
>
> > Harry, constantly amazed at how callous people can be in judging
> > others sensibilities.
>
> Don't you get annoyed sometimes at the realtor or potential buyer walk-
> thrus where they're constantly saying this or that is "dated"?
> WTH...do you have to update your house every 5 years?? If you do
> nothing...eventually the style comes back, right?
>
> I kinda wouldn't mind having a skyblue bathtub, toilet and sink ;)
> It'd go well with my avocado kitchen appliances.-

Shoot, I have no idea why buyers are so hung up about decor. For the
most part, it's just paint. So re-paint. It's neither expensive nor
difficult.

When I bought my current home, the living room had cottage-cheese
textured
ceiling with glitter on it. That didn't keep me from seeing that the
house itself
was very nice, on a good-sized lot, convenient to my and my husband's
employers.

I was grateful, though, that nobody had ever painted that textured
ceiling.
Made it pretty easy to wet it down and scrape it off.

We also pulled up the ratty pink carpet to expose the red oak flooring
underneath. Sweet!

Cindy Hamilton

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Date: Thurs, Jan 17 2008 11:10 am
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TOPIC: Earn 5000 $ Monthly with Gooooooogle
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Date: Thurs, Jan 17 2008 11:31 am
From: maria_usa

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TOPIC: Resurgence of telemarketers and telephishers
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/132159bd102f1747?hl=en
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Date: Thurs, Jan 17 2008 12:35 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

Ever since getting the new phone number in Alabama, our lines have
been plagued with telemarketers. Once we got on the DNC registry, the
local businesses seem to have stopped, but the pre-recorded calls from
"Heather, from account services" and "Your vehicle warantee is about
to expire" are becoming as much of a pain as we had in the bad old
days.

I've filed a complaint with the FCC, since it appears that the FTC is
doing squat to stop this type of problem. Realisticly, filing a
complaint with the local cops, like the phone companies want people to
do, is bullshit. A lot of the problem appears to be coming from 207
area codes, VOIP gateways, and other essentially un-traceable (by the
consumer) numbers.

TIme for me to get a boat airhorn, dust off my info on incoming call
filtering devices, and start bitchin to tv stations and the like.
Unless this is stopped soon, it'll get a lot worse.

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TOPIC: Generic Lipitor any time soon?
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Date: Thurs, Jan 17 2008 12:50 pm
From: me@privacy.net

>The European and U.S. patents are due to expire in 2011. The Canadian patent
>has expired (in 2007) and branded generic versions of atorvastatin (generic
>name for Lipitor) can be purchased and shipped through Canadian pharmacies.
>These pharmacies can be located on the internet along with their toll-free
>telephone numbers to discuss cost and details of the transactions.

OK will check it out thanks!

>Cost savings of the branded generic is currently about 50% compared to the
>brand name product through one of these Canadian vendors.

OK...still not as cheap as simvastatin but heck of a
lot cheaper than Lipitor brand!

I prefer Lipitor because I can take it first thing in
the morning as its half life is longer than
simvastatin...... but am unemployed now and can get
simvastatin CHEAP! But have to take simvastatin in
evening as its half life isn't as long.

>Ranbaxy Laboratories (headquartered in India) will apparently market the
>first branded generic version of atorvastatin in the U.S. and will have
>exclusivity for 180 days.

Ahh..... Ranbaxy is who makes my cheap simvastatin!!

For anyone who is in same boat.... unemployed and
without health insurance to cover drug costs.... check
into Costco as a source of simvastatin form Ranbuxy. I
got 180 day supply simvastatin form Costco for abt $20
total!!!!!

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