Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 17 topics

Tuesday, February 19, 2008

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TOPIC: Unbelievable experienced with Honey hunting & Marathon in Nepal
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Date: Tues, Feb 19 2008 1:41 am
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TOPIC: Quick basic advice on a dripping gas 40-gal hot-water heater
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 19 2008 3:30 am
From: Nate Nagel

Donna Ohl, Grady Volunteer Coordinator wrote:
> How can it be that replacing a drain valve in a full tank leaks not water?
>
> I still feel badly that I didn't replace the plastic drain valve with the
> brass ball valve because I was afraid the plastic was not removable (that's
> what Sears salespeople said anyway, instilling FUD in my mind).
>
> I was subsequently reading how to replace the plastic drain valve after the
> fact and they all seem to say it won't leak if I do so with a full tank.
>
> Huh?
>
> How can removing the drain valve at the bottom of a full water heater not
> leak 50 gallons of water?
>
> I already saw, first hand, what happens when that drain valve
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2274079114/
> snaps off
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2273262545/
> spewing 40 gallons of hot water in my garage
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2273262535/
>
> Can someone clarify this statement from, say:
> http://216.250.104.54/default.cfm?PageId=41781 (see excerpt below).
>
> Donna
>
>
> Maintenance Tip #21 Drain valves
> Drain valves usually come when you buy them from a manufacturer. They used
> to be brass. You should install a 3/4 ball valve on your water heater.
> The plastic ones are prone to leaking. To install a brass ball valve, turn
> the gas or electricity off and open a hot tap inside the house. If you
> have a cone-shaped valve, unscrew it counterclockwise six turns or so and
> pull it out at the same time. Now turn it clockwise while continuing to
> pull and it will come out. Wrap Teflon on the nipple that is exposed on
> the water heater. Attach the ball valve now. If you have a plastic drain
> valve that looks like a hose bib, unscrew it by turning the entire valve
> itself.
> A little water may come out while you're installing a new valve, but not
> much at all. Wear gloves to avoid getting scalded.

Their idea of "a little" water is "about 5-10 gallons." I would drain
the tank prior to replacing. I did just this on two heaters in my
basement last year and I was unable to completely drain them (the WH
drains are lower than any drain in the house) I had a mess to clean up
after each one, and lots of sediment came spewing out too. It was
especially fun as both were so close to the floor (wh's not on stands)
that I had to leave the new valves open while starting the threads.
Assembling the whole mess on the bench and installing the garden hose
cap is highly recommended.

There will be less water coming out than you experienced with your old
tank because of the vacuum of having all the valves in the house shut,
but it'll still come out eventually.

nate

--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 19 2008 5:23 am
From: trader4@optonline.net

On Feb 19, 6:30 am, Nate Nagel <njna...@roosters.net> wrote:
> Donna Ohl, Grady Volunteer Coordinator wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > How can it be that replacing a drain valve in a full tank leaks not water?
>
> > I still feel badly that I didn't replace the plastic drain valve with the
> > brass ball valve because I was afraid the plastic was not removable (that's
> > what Sears salespeople said anyway, instilling FUD in my mind).
>
> > I was subsequently reading how to replace the plastic drain valve after the
> > fact and they all seem to say it won't leak if I do so with a full tank.
>
> > Huh?
>
> > How can removing the drain valve at the bottom of a full water heater not
> > leak 50 gallons of water?
>
> > I already saw, first hand, what happens when that drain valve
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2274079114/
> > snaps off
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2273262545/
> > spewing 40 gallons of hot water in my garage
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2273262535/
>
> > Can someone clarify this statement from, say:
> >http://216.250.104.54/default.cfm?PageId=41781(see excerpt below).
>
> > Donna
>
> > Maintenance Tip #21 Drain valves
> > Drain valves usually come when you buy them from a manufacturer. They used
> > to be brass. You should install a 3/4 ball valve on your water heater.
> > The plastic ones are prone to leaking. To install a brass ball valve, turn
> > the gas or electricity off and open a hot tap inside the house. If you
> > have a cone-shaped valve, unscrew it counterclockwise six turns or so and
> > pull it out at the same time. Now turn it clockwise while continuing to
> > pull and it will come out. Wrap Teflon on the nipple that is exposed on
> > the water heater. Attach the ball valve now. If you have a plastic drain
> > valve that looks like a hose bib, unscrew it by turning the entire valve
> > itself.
> > A little water may come out while you're installing a new valve, but not
> > much at all. Wear gloves to avoid getting scalded.
>
> Their idea of "a little" water is "about 5-10 gallons." I would drain
> the tank prior to replacing. I did just this on two heaters in my
> basement last year and I was unable to completely drain them (the WH
> drains are lower than any drain in the house) I had a mess to clean up
> after each one, and lots of sediment came spewing out too. It was
> especially fun as both were so close to the floor (wh's not on stands)
> that I had to leave the new valves open while starting the threads.
> Assembling the whole mess on the bench and installing the garden hose
> cap is highly recommended.
>
> There will be less water coming out than you experienced with your old
> tank because of the vacuum of having all the valves in the house shut,
> but it'll still come out eventually.
>
> nate
>
> --
> replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Also, before draining the tank to remove sediment or to work on it,
it's a good idea to shut the gas off a long time before you're going
to do the work. That way, you can use up most of the hot water in
the tank through normal use, instead of wasting it.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 19 2008 5:27 am
From: "hallerb@aol.com"

On Feb 19, 6:30�am, Nate Nagel <njna...@roosters.net> wrote:
> Donna Ohl, Grady Volunteer Coordinator wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > How can it be that replacing a drain valve in a full tank leaks not water?
>
> > I still feel badly that I didn't replace the plastic drain valve with the
> > brass ball valve because I was afraid the plastic was not removable (that's
> > what Sears salespeople said anyway, instilling FUD in my mind).
>
> > I was subsequently reading how to replace the plastic drain valve after the
> > fact and they all seem to say it won't leak if I do so with a full tank.
>
> > Huh?
>
> > How can removing the drain valve at the bottom of a full water heater not
> > leak 50 gallons of water?
>
> > I already saw, first hand, what happens when that drain valve
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2274079114/
> > snaps off
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2273262545/
> > spewing 40 gallons of hot water in my garage
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2273262535/
>
> > Can someone clarify this statement from, say:
> >http://216.250.104.54/default.cfm?PageId=41781(see excerpt below).
>
> > Donna
>
> > Maintenance Tip #21 Drain valves
> > Drain valves usually come when you buy them from a manufacturer. �They used
> > to be brass. �You should install a 3/4 ball valve on your water heater.
> > The plastic ones are prone to leaking. �To install a brass ball valve, turn
> > the gas or electricity off and open a hot tap inside the house. �If you
> > have a cone-shaped valve, unscrew it counterclockwise six turns or so and
> > pull it out at the same time. �Now turn it clockwise while continuing to
> > pull and it will come out. �Wrap Teflon on the nipple that is exposed on
> > the water heater. �Attach the ball valve now. �If you have a plastic drain
> > valve that looks like a hose bib, unscrew it by turning the entire valve
> > itself.
> > A little water may come out while you're installing a new valve, but not
> > much at all. �Wear gloves to avoid getting scalded.
>
> Their idea of "a little" water is "about 5-10 gallons." �I would drain
> the tank prior to replacing. �I did just this on two heaters in my
> basement last year and I was unable to completely drain them (the WH
> drains are lower than any drain in the house) I had a mess to clean up
> after each one, and lots of sediment came spewing out too. �It was
> especially fun as both were so close to the floor (wh's not on stands)
> that I had to leave the new valves open while starting the threads.
> Assembling the whole mess on the bench and installing the garden hose
> cap is highly recommended.
>
> There will be less water coming out than you experienced with your old
> tank because of the vacuum of having all the valves in the house shut,
> but it'll still come out eventually.
>
> nate
>
> --
> replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

leave all the faucets OFF while changing valves.

the plastic valves are fine if they get just ONE use, to drain the
tank at end of use.......

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 19 2008 6:39 am
From: Rick Blaine

"Donna Ohl, Grady Volunteer Coordinator" <donna.ohl@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>I was wondering why BOTH the hot water outlet and the cold-water inlet had
>check valves built into the respective dialectric nipples provided in the
>top of the new tank!

If you are talking about the galvanized nipples with blue plastic flaps that go
between the heater at the cold/hot ports, those are thermal breaks - not check
valves. They reduce the heat loss from the tank into the pipes when the water is
not being used.

A check valve is significantly larger than a nipple and would typically only be
be found after the main valve and before the heater.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 19 2008 6:11 am
From: "Donna Ohl, Grady Volunteer Coordinator"

On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:39:50 -0700, Rick Blaine wrote:

> "Donna Ohl, Grady Volunteer Coordinator" <donna.ohl@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>I was wondering why BOTH the hot water outlet and the cold-water inlet had
>>check valves built into the respective dialectric nipples provided in the
>>top of the new tank!
>
> If you are talking about the galvanized nipples with blue plastic flaps that go
> between the heater at the cold/hot ports, those are thermal breaks - not check
> valves. They reduce the heat loss from the tank into the pipes when the water is
> not being used.
>
> A check valve is significantly larger than a nipple and would typically only be
> be found after the main valve and before the heater.

Hi Rick,
Oh. That changes things. I'll check with the literature. We thought the hot
had a heat check valve inside the nipple. It had a black rubber center
which the cold nipple didn't have.

Due to the fact there was little room, and we thought the heat-loss valve
was already there, we didn't put in a flap valve and we used a straight
stainless steel flexible pipe.

If what you say is correct, then we may need to replace the stainless steel
flexible pipe with an S-shaped copper flex tube plus a dialectric union.

One question that still confuses me is the BRASS on the ends of some of the
stainless steel and copper pipes. Can we pub BRASS to galvanized or must we
alwyas use a dialectric union. (I ask because the stainless steel pipe had
brass on the end yet it was advertised for iron to iron).

Donna

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 19 2008 7:23 am
From: "Donna Ohl, Grady Volunteer Coordinator"

On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 05:23:57 -0800 (PST), trader4@optonline.net wrote:
>> There will be less water coming out than you experienced with your old
>> tank because of the vacuum of having all the valves in the house shut,
>
> shut off the gas a long time before ...
> you can use up most of the hot water in the tank

Hi trader,

I learned this one in spades!

We had used up some of the hot water (Bill took a really really long shower
with the gas turned off) before the fiasco of the snapped valve:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2273262545/

We had warm, not hot, water all over the garage as the tank shot it out two
feet. Luckily I was around as the tank had just been righted after tipping
over as we tried to get it off the stand, full of water. It was horrid.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2273262531/

The only good thing was you had already admonished us to have tepid water
in the tank and that's what saved us from getting scalded as Bill stuck his
finger in the hole (it was just the right size) to stop the leak and I
bucketed the water outside.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2273262535/

We would have been burned had we not taken that good advice from this
newsgroup! Others should heed the warning too.

Thanks,
Donna

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 19 2008 7:29 am
From: "Donna Ohl, Grady Volunteer Coordinator"

On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 05:27:28 -0800 (PST), hallerb@aol.com wrote:
> the plastic valves are fine if they get just ONE use, to drain the
> tank at end of use.......

Hi hallerb,
I understand your point. But, from what I read, they used to be brass and
the manufacturers switched to the plastic for cost reasons only.

Also, I read a brass ball valve doesn't clog as easily.

Given our experience this past weekend, where the valve first clogged and
then broke off inside the water heater, it would seem to us that over time,
the brass will be less likely to break than the plastic.

Of course, one reason ours clogged was likely the fact we never flushed it
so the sediments may have been too much for any valve - and one reason it
broke is that we were manhandling it trying to get the tipped-over water
heater back on the stand ... so you might be right.

I think I now understand how to replace the brass valve. In fact, a more
important issue came up in that our dishwasher suddenly stopped working. I
think it's due to the sediment being sent through the pipes (our shower
heads were totally clogged all of a sudden, with sandy grainy stuff).

I opened a separate thread on alt.home.repair to ask how to clean out a
dishwasher without being able to remove it (it's bricked in it seems).

I feel like "this old house" is attacking me so it's nice to have this
wonderful newsgroup as my friends to help in times of need!

Donna

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TOPIC: Driving a Lemon Car!? Free Lemon Law Guide!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 19 2008 3:32 am
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TOPIC: Q: Boiling Water-nuke or kettle?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 19 2008 4:29 am
From: Al Bundy

On Feb 19, 1:00 am, PaPaPeng <PaPaP...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I drink a popular Oriental beverage that has instant coffee, sugar and
> a whitener-thickener in a pack. I heat up a mug of hot water in the
> microwave or I heat up two cups in a kettle, two cups because I need
> to submerge the element. Somehow I get the feeling that the microwave
> uses more energy/watts. Any idea if this is so?

The electric kettle is much closer to 100% efficient than the
microwave, but you are heating twice as much water. Therefore, the
microwave turns out to be cheaper in the end. Neither cost very much.
The microwave would be less than 1¢ for the three minutes to boil a
cup. Amusing perhaps to consider, but not worth doing anything about.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 19 2008 6:16 am
From: "Evelyn C. Leeper"

PaPaPeng wrote:
>
> I drink a popular Oriental beverage that has instant coffee, sugar and
> a whitener-thickener in a pack. I heat up a mug of hot water in the
> microwave or I heat up two cups in a kettle, two cups because I need
> to submerge the element. Somehow I get the feeling that the microwave
> uses more energy/watts. Any idea if this is so?

Speaking of which, does anyone know if they still sell those immersion
heaters (the kind that are just a coil, a cord, and a plug) that you
could put in a cup of water to boil it? They were popular in the 1960s
and 1970s, but I can't recall seeing them for a while.

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
Heretic: someone who disagrees with you about
something neither of you knows anything about.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 19 2008 6:50 am
From: "Chloe"

"Evelyn C. Leeper" <eleeper@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:47bae4c2$0$15191$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>
> Speaking of which, does anyone know if they still sell those immersion
> heaters (the kind that are just a coil, a cord, and a plug) that you could
> put in a cup of water to boil it? They were popular in the 1960s and
> 1970s, but I can't recall seeing them for a while.

Sure. See

http://www.goinginstyle.com/gis/Heater-Immersion-for-Water-P2778.aspx

although you can probably buy one locally for less. They're excellent for
making coffee while travelling. I quit carrying my own heater, mug, and
instant coffee when they started putting the little brewpots in hotel rooms.
But after seeing some undercover news stories lately about the way the
housekeeping staff cleans those things (i.e., wiping inside of pot out with
a rag they'd just used on the toilet, etc.) I think I'll be digging my
heater out and using it again.

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TOPIC: Buying or Selling
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 19 2008 4:37 am
From: Al Bundy

On Feb 18, 4:15 pm, The Vendor <theautoven...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,

>
> I am excited to be a part of this group.
>
> Thanks,
> Joel

Probably just puppy love. It won't last.

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TOPIC: ? for landlords
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 19 2008 5:24 am
From: barbie gee

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, Logan Shaw wrote:

> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>> how do you vet your tenants?
>
> I'm not a landlord (and so don't have tenants). But, a good friend
> worked for an apartment management company for several years, and
> based on what I've heard through my friend, the employees of the
> management company seem to get a lot of training on how they should
> behave in order to avoid lawsuits or legal troubles related to the
> Fair Housing Act.
>
> And, you may remember that craigslist.org was the target of a lawsuit
> about the same thing (even though it was eventually dismissed):
> http://www.craigslist.org/about/fair.housing.html
>
> My point is that while thinking about how to vet tenants, it might
> be prudent to think about how to avoid anything that could even be
> mistakenly perceived as discriminatory.

Plenty of books out there on "landlording".
get to a library.
<http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_kk_1?ie=UTF8&search-alias=stripbooks&field-keywords=landlording>

find out your municipal and state housing ordinances, as well as the Fair
Housing Act. Use REAL leases, don't do month to month verbal agreements.
etc.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 19 2008 5:46 am
From: "akhileshek@gmail.com"

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TOPIC: How To Find Love In An Instant
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 19 2008 5:54 am
From: aztnat@yeah.net

"You can't hurry love. No, you'll just have to wait..."

The old song by the Supremes sure is catchy. But something else
catching on is just the opposite of what the song preaches: Speed
dating.

Speed dating is on the rise among young professionals from sea to
shining sea. More often than not, singles are too caught up in the rat
race called career and life to look for love. With a palm pilot filled
with meetings, dinners and appointments, there is nary a space
available for a date. Let alone time to meet someone to take out on a
date. Dating in the workplace is unacceptable, and dating within a
circle of friends is a soap opera waiting to happen. So just how does
one meet someone in a day where everything is so fast-paced? It seems
only natural to add dating to the world of convenience we have become
so dependent upon.

Enter speed dating- where singles can unite in one place, and spend
minutes getting to know each other over drinks and hors d' vours, in
an organized fashion. If someone sparks an interest during this speed
dating process, a connection can be made, and followed up on.

Speed dating, usually held in the hip club and bar scene, is an event
planned by the venue themselves, or by a professional speed dating
company- a largely growing industry. Many of these events have
registrations to limit the number of participants, as well as have age
groups, and many even have events based on religion, career, etc.

Can you really meet someone at an event like this, many ask. The
answer is, of course. First impressions are key. One may not get a
whole life history in a five to ten minute period, but a common bond
can most certainly be established. Speed dating is an excellent way to
find someone with similar interests and weed out people who just would
never work out. (Without spending a lot of money sending drinks across
the bar!)

A typical speed dating party goes like this:

1. Pre-registration - You hear about an event on the radio, in the
paper or from a friend and pre-register. Registration is needed
because in order to be successful, there has to be an equal number of
guys and girls. There is usually a small fee involved. Basically, this
fee should

http://www.dontplayplay.com/html/Dating/20060925/9847.html

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 19 2008 6:02 am
From: sex videos group

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TOPIC: cold water detergent
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 19 2008 7:05 am
From: "Melissa"

"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
news:%Keuj.3739$y05.143@newsfe22.lga...
> Shawn Hirn wrote:
>
>>In article <fp9k91$a09$1@news.datemas.de>, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Anyone have a recommendation?
>>>
>>>Marsha/Ohio
>>>
>>
>>Tide works for me.
>>
>
> I'm surprised Tide dissolves in cold water. Back when I was in the
> textile business, a standard test for wash fastness utilized Tide as the
> soap. Making a Tide solution (even with hot water) always resulted in a
> sediment of undissolved particles.

Regular Liquid Tide works great in cold water. I wash almost everything
except towels in cold. I don't see the need for a "special" cold water
detergent. It's just marketing hype.

Melissa

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TOPIC: How many therms (natural gas) do you use per day (per month)?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 19 2008 7:22 am
From: Cheapo Groovo

You can also use bubble wrap over your windows.

It's been friggin cold near Chicago , 117 total therms or 3.77 per day

www.cheapogroovo.com
http://cheapogroovo.vox.com

In article <b4059b0a-383b-4aee-bf87-c338803924d8@
34g2000hsz.googlegroups.com>, bigjimpack@gmail.com says...
> For the past billing cycle, I used 5.96 therms per day. Last year I
> used 6.81 per day. Average temp was 37 F both years. I have replaced
> half of the windows in our mid '30's home. I think this helped. I
> will replace the others this year and see if I can lower usage more.
>
>
> On Feb 16, 3:24 pm, "Donna Ohl, Grady Volunteer Coordinator"
> <donna....@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > I'm curious how I compare with others in my natural gas usage.
> >
> > I used 120 therms in the past 30 days (about 4 therms per day).
> > HOW MANY THERMS DID YOU USE LAST MONTH?
> >
> > I do realize that there are _many_ factors that affect usage but there is
> > only one number for your final usage. That's what I'd like to compare.
>
>

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TOPIC: Predictions on oil costs for next decade
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4d8ed6676617cb7f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 19 2008 7:30 am
From: Cheapo Groovo

In article <sbydnQ2aiavHuSXanZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d@giganews.com>, ken@up-
yours-spammer.net says...
> Cheapo Groovo wrote:
> > In article <54-dnb-0PJD8vCranZ2dnUVZ_uPinZ2d@giganews.com>, ken@up-
> > yours-spammer.net says...
> >> Drop_the_chalupa_RodSpeed wrote:
> >>> I bet oil drops a lot in price for the US consumer.
> >> Not likely as the global demand for oil keeps increasing.
> >>
> > http://cheapogroovo.vox.com/library/post/oil-outlook.html
> > This is the reality. Wake up folks!
>
> Why is that reality? Just because you posted it on blog?
>
Nice rebuttal to the facts I mentioned. You really dug deep with that
analysis. I bet you even watched the CNBC video to gain more insight.

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TOPIC: Oil is at 98.10
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 19 2008 8:09 am
From: Cheapo Groovo

Still have doubting Thomases out there?

http://cheapogroovo.vox.com/library/post/oil-outlook.html

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TOPIC: Oil is at 98!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 19 2008 8:09 am
From: Cheapo Groovo

http://cheapogroovo.vox.com/library/post/oil-outlook.html

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TOPIC: Question on potentially sediment-clogged dishwasher (how to diagnose &
repair)?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 19 2008 8:20 am
From: "Donna Ohl, Grady Volunteer Coordinator"

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:32:59 -0700, Donna Ohl, Grady Volunteer Coordinator
wrote:
> Is there an easy to locate sediment trap or motor reset on a basic
> dishwasher? Can I get a troubleshooting manual for a GE Nautilus washer on
> the web?

How do you unclog a bathroom tub and dishwasher of sediment unleashed
during a water heater repair?

Unclogging the showerheads & kitchen sink were easy but the bathroom tub
and dishwasher are still apparently clogged with sediment.

Do you know how to unclog the hot/cold water to the bathroom tub and
dishwasher?

Donna
PS I should have taken photos of the before/after shower head but I'll
start posting photos of the tub and dishwasher unclog so others benefit
from your advice which is never wasted!

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