Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 9 topics

Friday, August 15, 2008

25 new messages in 9 topics - digest

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TOPIC: Should I buy a gas gussler?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/fabb5d064cc35efb?hl=en
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== 1 of 13 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 15 2008 1:32 pm
From: "Bob"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6gm66hFgma7sU1@mid.individual.net...
> clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote
>> Bob wrote
>
>>> Gas prices have Not peaked, but oil production has.
>
> Nope.
>
>>> And developing countries such as China want more. The U.S. invaded Iraq
>>> for the oil.
>
> Nope.
>
>>> Russia invaded Georgia for the oil.
>
> Nope. And they didnt invade, they've pulled out now.
>
>> Russia didn't invade Georgia for their oil so much as they want to
>> prevent competing natural gas pipelines from being b built through
>> Georgia..
>
> Wrong, as always. The pipeline thru Georgia ALREADY moves russian oil.

Rod, you little stinker.
If you ever had an original idea, your head would explode.

Better shut up and be thought a fool,
than be Rod Speed and remove all doubt.

== 2 of 13 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 15 2008 1:45 pm
From: clams_casino

Bob wrote:

>
> Rod, you little stinker.
>If you ever had an original idea, your head would explode.
>
>Better shut up and be thought a fool,
>than be Rod Speed and remove all doubt.
>
>
>
>
>
Rod has intelligence of a garden slug. What can you expect?

== 3 of 13 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 15 2008 1:58 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Some pig ignorant gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
Bob <ma@trix.net> wrote just what you'd expect from
a pig ignorant desperately cowering gutless fuckwit.

== 4 of 13 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 15 2008 1:59 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote

> Rod has intelligence of a garden slug. What can you expect?

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

== 5 of 13 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 15 2008 2:08 pm
From: clams_casino

Rod not-so-up-to Speed wrote:

>
>
>>>Russia invaded Georgia for the oil.
>>>
>>>
>
>Nope. And they didnt invade, they've pulled out now.
>
>

Only in your mind

>
>
>>Russia didn't invade Georgia for their oil so much as they want to prevent competing natural gas pipelines from being
>> built through Georgia..
>>
>>
>
>Wrong, as always. The pipeline thru Georgia ALREADY moves russian oil.
>
>
>
>
Next time, wait for the meds to take hold before you reply.

"There have been plans to take the same Georgia route (current oil
pipeline) for a Caspian natural-gas pipeline ending in Europe. Such a
pipeline would offer serious competition to Gazprom, the giant Russian
oil-and-gas conglomerate. Russia supplies one-quarter of the oil and
half the natural gas consumed in Europe, and the revenue is seen as key
to Russian prosperity. The European Union has been keen on the Georgia
plan as a way to gain bargaining power and reduce the risk of supply
cutoffs."

== 6 of 13 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 15 2008 2:16 pm
From: William Souden

clams_casino wrote:
> Bob wrote:
>
>>
>> Rod, you little stinker.
>> If you ever had an original idea, your head would explode.
>>
>> Better shut up and be thought a fool,
>> than be Rod Speed and remove all doubt.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Rod has intelligence of a garden slug. What can you expect?

You can always tell when the fact have failed Rod when you see the
paper bag or fuckwit bots. When he is totally humiliated you get the
flushing bot.

== 7 of 13 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 15 2008 2:18 pm
From: William Souden

Bob wrote:
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6gm66hFgma7sU1@mid.individual.net...
>> clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote
>>> Bob wrote
>>>> Gas prices have Not peaked, but oil production has.
>> Nope.
>>
>>>> And developing countries such as China want more. The U.S. invaded Iraq
>>>> for the oil.
>> Nope.
>>
>>>> Russia invaded Georgia for the oil.
>> Nope. And they didnt invade, they've pulled out now.
>>
>>> Russia didn't invade Georgia for their oil so much as they want to
>>> prevent competing natural gas pipelines from being b built through
>>> Georgia..
>> Wrong, as always. The pipeline thru Georgia ALREADY moves russian oil.
>
>
> Rod, you little stinker.
> If you ever had an original idea, your head would explode.
>
> Better shut up and be thought a fool,
> than be Rod Speed and remove all doubt.
>
>
>
Why do you think his entire adult work history consists of a menial
job that fired him before lunch?

== 8 of 13 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 15 2008 2:57 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>>>> Russia invaded Georgia for the oil.

>> Nope. And they didnt invade, they've pulled out now.

> Only in your mind

Nope, got the news footage too.

>>> Russia didn't invade Georgia for their oil so much as they want to prevent competing natural gas pipelines from
>>> being built through Georgia..

>> Wrong, as always. The pipeline thru Georgia ALREADY moves russian oil.

> Next time, wait for the meds to take hold before you reply.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

> "There have been plans to take the same Georgia route (current oil
> pipeline) for a Caspian natural-gas pipeline ending in Europe. Such a
> pipeline would offer serious competition to Gazprom, the giant Russian
> oil-and-gas conglomerate. Russia supplies one-quarter of the oil and
> half the natural gas consumed in Europe, and the revenue is seen as
> key to Russian prosperity. The European Union has been keen on the
> Georgia plan as a way to gain bargaining power and reduce the risk of
> supply cutoffs."

Pity the russians cant stop that with the russian troops back in South Ossetia now, fuckwit.

== 9 of 13 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 15 2008 3:31 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Aug 15, 12:23 pm, jdoe <j...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:06:16 -0500, "Bob" <m...@trix.net> wrote:
>
> >"James" <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:cbcdfdc7-542d-45fb-879c-7926b9159015@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com...
> >>I haven't shop cars but if dealers are trying to rid their big cars
> >> with big discounts I might get one. I only drive 8000 miles a year so
> >> it's only about 300 gallons of gas. A big car using twice as much gas
> >> would cost $1200 more in gas. Wouldn't it be frugal to get a big
> >> comfortable car and get the savings up front?
>
> > A gas "guzzler"?
>
> > If you mean SUVs; most SUVs are car bodies on a truck frame (done so
> >manufacturers could get around the CAFE m.p.g. restrictions.) So they handle
> >poorly, and ride badly. SUVs are expensive, and dangerous for the owner and
> >others on the road.
>
> > Gas prices have Not peaked, but oil production has. And developing
> >countries such as China want more. The U.S. invaded Iraq for the oil. Russia
> >invaded Georgia for the oil. There will be more wars for what little oil is
> >left.
>
> oil in georgia? that's news
> __________________________________________
> Never argue with an idiot.
> They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

the "other" Georgia next door to Russia :D

== 10 of 13 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 15 2008 4:11 pm
From: phil scott

On Aug 14, 11:45 pm, "Nicik Name" <orb...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> "Shawn Hirn" <s...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> news:srhi-7C7EEF.22582214082008@comcast.dca.giganews.com...> In article
> > <cbcdfdc7-542d-45fb-879c-7926b9159...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>,
> > James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> I haven't shop cars but if dealers are trying to rid their big cars
> >> with big discounts I might get one. I only drive 8000 miles a year so
> >> it's only about 300 gallons of gas. A big car using twice as much gas
> >> would cost $1200 more in gas. Wouldn't it be frugal to get a big
> >> comfortable car and get the savings up front?
>
> > How long do you expect to own this vehicle? Keep in mind that the price
> > of gas one year from now, then two years down the road, and three, four,
> > and five years will only go up.
>
> Nope.............the high peaked late June 2008.

you mean it will never.. ever...go back up...or even to 10 dollars a
gallon? not even if there is war in the middle east, or the indians
and chinese get more cars?

recent peak was only recent.

== 11 of 13 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 15 2008 4:15 pm
From: phil scott

On Aug 15, 5:35 am, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 14, 8:54 pm, "Dave" <no...@nohow.not> wrote:
>
> > "James" <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:cbcdfdc7-542d-45fb-879c-7926b9159015@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > I haven't shop cars but if dealers are trying to rid their big cars
> > > with big discounts I might get one. I only drive 8000 miles a year so
> > > it's only about 300 gallons of gas. A big car using twice as much gas
> > > would cost $1200 more in gas. Wouldn't it be frugal to get a big
> > > comfortable car and get the savings up front?
>
> > No. But here's a real frugal tip...craigslist has lots of gas guzzlers for
> > next to nothing right now. Saving several thousand dollars on the purchase
> > of a new car is not frugal. -Dave
>
> How do you avoid the crooks when shopping craigslist?

first its not common...but it happens... you look at their history and
any complaints filed..no history is a red flag, complaints may be or
not, read them... then inspect the goods and pay with a cc card or
cash, or money order.

ebay is better, their rating system almost guarantees any problems get
worked out.

phil scott

== 12 of 13 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 15 2008 4:47 pm
From: "Lou"

"George" <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:0padnU-ihoMddTnVnZ2dnUVZ_ovinZ2d@comcast.com...
> James wrote:
> > I haven't shop cars but if dealers are trying to rid their big cars
> > with big discounts I might get one. I only drive 8000 miles a year so
> > it's only about 300 gallons of gas. A big car using twice as much gas
> > would cost $1200 more in gas. Wouldn't it be frugal to get a big
> > comfortable car and get the savings up front?
>
> Not a treehugger by any means but waste is waste. I always thought the
> idea of driving a fluffed up truck for personal transportation was silly
> even when the fuel prices were 20% of what they are now.

There's waste, and then there's waste. What people are trying to not waste
here is money. That often translates into not wasting other stuff, because
it takes money to buy that other stuff.

But everyone's situation is different, and it may be that buying a cheap
vehicle that get 20 miles to a gallon has a less overall cost (purchase plus
operate costs) than buying a more expensive vehicle that gets 30 miles to a
gallon, at least for some people.

As far as the James' question is concerned, the only reasonable answer is
that you have to make your assumptions and run the numbers. For what it's
worth, every time I try to justify buying a super-efficient car like a Prius
over keeping my present car, the gas savings not only don't justify the
cost, even at $4/gallon, but the overall 4 or 5 year cost is higher than
continuing to drive my present car.

And I'll bet that unless George has a pair of shoes to wear for short walks,
roller skates for nearby destinations, a bicycle for around town use, and
the latest and greatest high miles per gallon car available to use for
longer trips (and drives it using so-called hypermilage techniques), has
come to much the same conclusion.

== 13 of 13 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 15 2008 5:01 pm
From: "Lou"

"Ken Lay" <livin_la_vida_morte@skilling.the.whipping.boy> wrote in message
news:livin_la_vida_morte-C47E75.09060015082008@news.supernews.com...
> In article <YNqdne-BN6DL5jjVnZ2dnUVZ_qninZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
>
> > Drive any new car off the lot and it's immediately worth
> > substantially less.
>
> Average loss immediately upon leaving the dealer's lot: 15%

And how's that any different from buying say, a new pair of shoes, or a
suit? I don't think cars are anything special in that regard.

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TOPIC: URGENT - Pls help...pls recommend - laptop purchase
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3677a124728a8cc8?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 15 2008 2:20 pm
From: "ares"

Do you know for sure it can't be fixed?
ares

<irfansmith@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5df93b4f-a6b8-4e05-846a-0b2a75a5bea0@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> URGENT - Pls help...pls recommend - laptop purchase
> **********************************************
>
>
> I am in the SF Bay Area, California.
>
> My laptop died suddenly so I am in need of a new laptop urgently -
> like today if poss.
> I cannot wait for more than a week or so for delivery etc.
> Windows laptop preferably ( not mac)
>
> Please let me know your recommendations for a RELIABLE, Sturdy
> laptop...
>
>
> My main requirements are as follows:
> ***********************************************
> - as fast as poss ( I hate it when it hangs or runs slowly)
> - as lightweight as poss
>
>
> The following are the main programs I use
> ****************************************************
> - gmail, yahoo mail etc
> - MS Word, Notepad or pdf doc
> - MS Outlook
>
> Typically I have about 6 to 7 Mozilla/ Firefox pages open and MS
> Outlook and Word or Notepad open - all day - open all at once- at any
> point in time.
> So I use quite a bit of resources.
>
>
> My Budget is as follows:
> ******************************
> prefer around US $1000 ( if the laptop is on sale)
>
> But could go as high as US $1500 or so
>
>
>
> Simplicity
> ****************
> Since I am not a techie, I would prefer a very simple plug and play
> laptop.
>
>
> Would like a well known sturdy branded laptop.
> ***************************************************
>
>
> Do not need the following
> ********************************
> I do not need features for games, graphics, entertainment etc. etc.
> Just a fast, lightweight sturdy laptop.
>
>
> Would any one pls recommend a laptop based on the above.
> Which brand ? What model #? Approx price ? Where to buy it ?
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Irfan Smith

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 15 2008 5:09 pm
From: "Lou"

I've bought every computer I've ever owned at a local mom and pop computer
shop. You go in and talk with them - they ask you what you'll be using it
for and make recommendations based on your replies. They assemble the
machine, and a couple of days later you drop in and pick it up.

Surely there are places like that in your area.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 15 2008 5:21 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Aug 15, 5:09 pm, "Lou" <lpog...@verizon.net> wrote:
> <irfansm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:5df93b4f-a6b8-4e05-846a-0b2a75a5bea0@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > URGENT - Pls help...pls recommend - laptop purchase
> > **********************************************
>
> > I am in the SF Bay Area, California.
>
> > My laptop died suddenly so I am in need of a new laptop urgently -
> > like today if poss.
> > I cannot wait for more than a week or so for delivery etc.
> > Windows laptop preferably ( not mac)
>
> > Please let me know your recommendations for a RELIABLE, Sturdy
> > laptop...
>
> > My main requirements are as follows:
> > ***********************************************
>
> I've bought every computer I've ever owned at a local mom and pop computer
> shop. You go in and talk with them - they ask you what you'll be using it
> for and make recommendations based on your replies. They assemble the
> machine, and a couple of days later you drop in and pick it up.
>
> Surely there are places like that in your area.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

After speculating about the OP, checked the history and I almost get
the impression it's more of a "consumer survey" than someone really
needing a new laptop. See below via the link provided.

http://groups.google.com/groups/search?enc_author=RNdORBQAAACDUUjfLEQpSIS-sn2ga-7nOPANdqfI6prRsqjc7uCt1A&scoring=d

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 15 2008 5:39 pm
From: Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply

I haven't found a mom-and-pop built-it-themselves laptop place yet.

Lou wrote:
>
> I've bought every computer I've ever owned at a local mom and pop computer
> shop. You go in and talk with them - they ask you what you'll be using it
> for and make recommendations based on your replies. They assemble the
> machine, and a couple of days later you drop in and pick it up.
>
> Surely there are places like that in your area.

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TOPIC: Things you never see in a Rod Speed post
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/5a8798d403a6dd99?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 15 2008 2:21 pm
From: William Souden

My job.
My friends.
My family.
My vacation.
My favorite restaurant.
My hobbies.
My disposable income.
My education.

Come on welfare boy, prove me right by doing the paper bag or fuckwit
bots. Better yet give me the flushing bot to show how ashamed you are of
yourself.

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TOPIC: Ethanol mileage
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/853d8ae76431e232?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 15 2008 3:35 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In <6I9pk.19296$89.9880@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>, Bay Area Holdout wrote:
>
>>
>> No disagreement from me. Mindlessly pushing the idea of using ethanol (no
>> planning where the corn will come from, huge subsidies needed etc) to keep
>> the SUVs going instead of optimizing fleet fuel economy will go down as
>> one of the dumber moves in history.
>
>This is right up there with planned government mandates eliminating
>incandescent light bulbs in favor of flourescent(CFL) ones.

As the USA Federal ones scheduled for 2012-2014, there are exceptions for:

* Ones of light output at least that of better current 150W incandescents
* Ones with light output near or below that of "standard" 25W incand.
* Ones metting an energy efficiency standard that Philips 40W and 70W
Halogena "Energy Saver" (available at Home Depot) already meet
* Rough Service, appliance, home oven
* Decorative globe, flame, etc.
* Silver bowl reflector
* Colored, blacklight

Pointed out earlier this year by Paul Eldridge.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

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TOPIC: there ain't no such thing such thing as a free media.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/37ba09fbe1e543ae?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 15 2008 3:55 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Aug 15, 11:42 am, PaPaPeng <PaPaP...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> panchatantram wrote:
>
> August 15, 2008 11:07http://www.economist.com/opinion/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=11920701&m...
> Maeglin:
>
> With due respect, the term 'free media' is misleading. It costs a lot
> of money to support the media, so it's not free in a monetary sense.
>
> Secondly, the media will always offer a viewpoint / slant that will
> appeal to bulk of its readers, or it risks losing them, which leads to
> loss of advertising revenue. Therefore, it is not free of bias either.
>
> The only thing that media in democratic countries may APPARENTLY be
> free of, is censorship or Government influence. However, watching BBC
> or CNN, one is often in serious doubt whether these channels can
> really present an independent viewpoint.
>
> Sadly, to misuse a popular American saying: as a free mthere ain't no
> such thing as a free media.
>
> And while media is supposed to help expose the truth, to me it seems
> that it is impossible to find out what the truth is once the media
> gets hold of it. At least that's how it works in India.

Gee, this sure looks like yet another off topic post by PPP posting to
the wrong group.
What the hell is a "free mthere?"
Never mind. Just admit it again and you are forgiven-provisionally.

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TOPIC: Please help Burnham RSM-126 oil furnace won't heat hot water after
vacation
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/eef6515a0b25337e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 15 2008 4:55 pm
From: "Lou"

"Donita Luddington" <doniludd@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1s6xc47ag2jn9.mdgfk0xrjmex.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:22:21 -0700 (PDT), mkirsch1@rochester.rr.com wrote:
> > Now call a professional for God's sake!
>
> How hard can this thing be?
> All it does is boil water.
>
> What does a professional know that I can't learn in a few weeks?
> Is there a book out there on boilers?

I don't know what a professional knows that I don't. But several years ago
a co-worker came in one morning without any hair on his head - no eyebrows
even. Seems his furnace wasn't working, and he thought he could fix it
himself. Lucky the only thing really injured was his pride. Oh yeah, he
wasn't able to fix the thing and ended up calling a professional.

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TOPIC: Underlying the pandemic off idiocy in America....
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8c192fa5a6b9b846?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 15 2008 6:17 pm
From: "ares"

Too many decisions in one day,
without time for the brain to process the data

This is why I refuse to talk with telemarketers on the phone any more.....
ares

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 15 2008 6:35 pm
From: "ares"

And in addition, yes, I am noticing this and am surprised that not many
people seem bothered by it; it's like it's
insidious and nobody really realizes what is going on. Many people
including myself are having memory problems.
A big part of it is fueled by capitalism. And it's the deluge of junk mail,
the email spam, the fine print, the privacy policies, the consent forms, the
having to be PC, burying anything that needs to be accomplished under piles
of beaurocracy, the introduction of a new operating system when you're
finally getting used to the current one, the rapid changing and
introductions of other high tech products, the squeeze on workers to work
longer hours and produce more in those hours.......
ares

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TOPIC: EARN MONEY $1000-25000 PER MONTH
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3d4abf5f13045ec4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
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TOPIC: DIY Hybrid auto? Hydrogen generator on board
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b24cc1001c2432c5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 15 2008 7:39 pm
From: A VFW

http://humboldt.craigslist.org/pts/797891851.html
breaks down water into H & O.
does this work?
$399
--
If guns are out-lawed. Only the Out-laws & politicians will have guns.

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