Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 11 topics

Friday, July 27, 2007

25 new messages in 11 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Frugal pre-paid funeral expenses?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ce3b2b4cec57072f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 27 2007 2:30 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote
> bb90125@yahoo.com wrote
>> Don K <dk@dont_bother_me.com> wrote
>>> <bb90...@yahoo.com> wrote

>>>> Thank you everyone for the responses. Yes, this will be a suicide
>>>> situation. My family has never been a fan of cremation, but at the
>>>> same time I don't want to put them thru having to selecting a
>>>> casket, tombstone, and all the other stuff. If I can take care of
>>>> all that ahead of time by pre-paying

>>> I've seen the impact that suicides can have on family members in terms guilt, anger, and
>>> hardship, especially if there is a spouse and kids involved.

>> There is no spouse or kids involved, so if there was I could see your point. But at other times a
>> suicide can actually be the best situation for everyone involved. It really can be a win-win.

> I don't want to ramble on too much about this, so I'll get straight to the point. Hopefully not
> an oversimplification, but basically suicide is what happens when someone runs out of other ways
> (that they know of) to cope with their situation[1].

Nope, its also the best approach in some situations.

> As such, you are by definition in a difficult situation.

Wrong again.

> By definition, there are strong forces pressing you in a direction that you would not normally be
> inclined to go.

Wrong again. It is just what plenty are inclined to do in that situation.

> Under the weight of those forces, it becomes hard to really be objective and think totally
> rationally.

And plenty come to the objective and rational conclusion that is the best thing to do.

> Don is right about the effect that suicide can have on family and friends.

And he's wrong when he implys that that effect is anything like the most common result.

> I know because I've seen (felt) it first-hand.

And plenty have the reverse too, none of those consequences.

> But I don't say this to make you feel guilty. I don't want to put more pressure when there is
> already too much pressure.

You dont know that there is any pressure at all.

> I merely bring it up to illustrate that if you are thinking in terms of it being a "win-win", then
> probably that indicates your view is being clouded.

Like hell it does.

That is just your prejudices talking.

> The point of all this is that I am trying to encourage you to seek out people who can support you
> and help you find ways to cope.

Plenty dont want to cope, they have decided that its the best approach.

> This world can be harsh sometimes, but don't let that make you think there aren't people out there
> who are willing to help.

Plenty dont want help and have decided that they have had a
pretty decent life and that the future doesnt appeal. Their choice.

> I know that when my friend chose suicide, he did not seem to understand what his friends would
> have been willing to do for him, had they (we) known that he needed it.

Very arrogant assumption that he needed help.

> [1] barring circumstances like a truly terminal physical illness;
> that is a bit of a different situation.

What is so 'irrational' about deciding that suicide is preferred to the non suicide situation ?

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TOPIC: Esurance is HORRIBLE for motorcycle quotes.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d5e39a8484cd06ef?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 27 2007 2:36 am
From: "Kay"

<jeffw@cyte.com> wrote in message
news:1185486618.579151.263750@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> I'm a big fan of letting other people know when a company is
> fraudulent.
>
> Esurance advertises low quotes. I would at least take this to mean
> competitive quotes. Maybe even twice as high as other providers.
> Something in a reasonable ball park. But...
>
> They just quoted me a $6,000 annual premium on a motorcycle.
>
> Let me break that down for you... That is over ELEVEN TIMES what
> two other companies would provide the EXACT same coverage
> for.
>
> Now, you're thinking... I've done something wrong. Made bad
> choices, have a DUI or something like that.
>
> Well here's my deal:
> Male, 38yo
> No accidents or citations in the past three years.
> No major citations EVER.
> I've had a drivers license since I was 16 and a CA
> motorcycle license for the past 3 years.
> This means I am eligible for Driving Safety Record
> and California Good Driver discounts.
>
> My vehicle:
> 2006 Yamaha YZF-R6 (600cc)
> new purchase price: $10,999.00
> No damage, never laid down/tipped over.
>
> Kept in a gated garage of my apartment.
>
> Coverages requested:
> bodily injury: 50K/100K
> property damage 50K
> 500 deductible comprehensive
> 500 deductible collision
> uninsured motor vehicle Bodily injury 30K/60K
> uninsured motor vehicle property damage
>
> This is all pretty standard for somebody who
> rents.
>
> Here's what the competition has to say:
> State Farm: $551.66 per year (current provider)
> California Casualty: $535.00 per year
>
> now get this...
> Esurance:.... $6,000.00 per year.
>
> SIX THOUSAND!!! for a driver with nothing
> bad in his history and standard coverage!
> I made the agent go over my personal
> details and the coverage just to make sure
> they didn't type in something vastly wrong.
> Yep, six thousand per year.
>
> THAT is certainly not competitive. It is so non-competitive
> that either Esurance is being fraudulent or they have
> made a big mistake somewhere.
>
> Esurance: if you want me to post a retraction to this then
> figure out what you screwed up and call me back.
> Your auto quote for my 1995 GMC was decent. You
> lost that sale solely on the basis that you screwed up
> the motorcycle.
>

Maybe you should called them.
In all fairness I did start using them after I had an accident in 2003. I
checked around every year and it was always the same so I stuck with them.
So 6 months ago I called around and everyone gave me the same prices but
progressive. I was paying 615 every 6 months. I got it from Progressive for
283 every 6 months. Same coverage.

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TOPIC: whither the ice house?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ece54484f7063e00?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 27 2007 2:54 am
From: nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu

Lou <lpogodajr292185@comcast.net> wrote:
><nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu> wrote in message
>news:f89tn7$622@acadia.ece.villanova.edu...
>> Anthony Matonak <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
>> >nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
>> >> RW Salnick <salnick@no.spam.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Build the icehouse, and use it as the heat sink for conventional
>> >>> refrigeration.
>> >...
>> >>> Would work great for air conditioning too.
>> >>
>> >> Not enough ice.
>> >
>> >It's just a question of scale, isn't it?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> >One could figure out how much ice is needed to keep their house cold
>> >throughout the year and then build an ice house big enough.
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> >I'm thinking one of those cheap steel buildings the size of a small
>> >hanger with a foot or so of spray foam insulation on the inside. :)
>>
>> That could work, with a large enough hangar.
>>
>> >Any idea of just how much ice would we be talking about?
>>
>> Phila (not too hot) has 1101 F cooling degree days, so a typical house
>> with a 400 Btu/h-F conductance and no internal heat gains would require
>> 24hx1101x400 = 10.5 million Btu/year of cooling, which might come from
>> 10.5M/144 = 73,400 pounds or about 1281 ft^3 of perfectly-insulated ice.
>
>So that looks like a cube of ice about 11 feet on a side, around 8800
>gallons of water.
>
>11 feet on a side doesn't sound very enormous, and 8800 gallons is a pretty
>small swimming pool. But moving 73,400 pounds by hand sounds somewhat
>daunting...

Maybe there's another way...

Nick

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 27 2007 3:03 am
From: nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu

Anthony Matonak <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
>Lou wrote:
>> <nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu> wrote in message
>>> Anthony Matonak <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> Any idea of just how much ice would we be talking about?
>>> Phila (not too hot) has 1101 F cooling degree days, so a typical house
>>> with a 400 Btu/h-F conductance and no internal heat gains would require
>>> 24hx1101x400 = 10.5 million Btu/year of cooling, which might come from
>>> 10.5M/144 = 73,400 pounds or about 1281 ft^3 of perfectly-insulated ice.
>>
>> So that looks like a cube of ice about 11 feet on a side, around 8800
>> gallons of water.
>>
>> 11 feet on a side doesn't sound very enormous, and 8800 gallons is a pretty
>> small swimming pool. But moving 73,400 pounds by hand sounds somewhat
>> daunting ...
>
>Why move it at all? Why not turn water into ice inside the ice house?

Good idea.

>Some kind of automatic device could open doors, or circulate brine,
>to 'let the cold in' whenever the outside temperature is below freezing.

A saltwater roofpond might do that, with thermosyphoning stalagtites
freezing fresh water below.

>> I'd also guess that these figures don't take into account that in the
>> Philadelphia area, not every day in winter is below freezing...

Phila has about 340 "freezing degree-days."

Nick

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 27 2007 8:52 am
From: "Steve Spence"

The room is 15' x 15' and 20' deep.

The ice fills the top 15' of the space. I don't recall the number of slabs,
we just kept cutting till we couldn't put more in.

--
Steve Spence
Director, Green-Trust
http://www.green-trust.org
http://www.green-trust.org/bookshop/

"Morris Dovey" <mrdovey@iedu.com> wrote in message
news:46a73cac$0$493$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
> Steve Spence wrote:
>
> | The slabs of ice are 3' x 2' x 8"
> |
> | The walls are insulated with 12" of pink foam, surrounded with 60F
> | dirt.
>
> Interesting. Do you recall the size of the room and the number of
> slabs needed to keep it cool?
>
> Was this set up to occupy the entire "basement"?
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USA
> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
>
>

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TOPIC: 14 Reason to Deport Illegal Aliens
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/548d513743bd76c2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 27 2007 3:37 am
From: Ted

14 Reasons to Deport Illegal Aliens...

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens
each year.

http://tinyurl.com/zob77 <http://tinyurl.com/zob77>

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs
such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal
aliens.

http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html <http://
www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html>

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal
aliens.

http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html <http://
www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html>

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary
school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a
word of English!

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html
<http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html>

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-
born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html <http://
transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html>

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html <http://
transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html>

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html <http://
transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html>

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for

Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html <http://
premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html>

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American

wages are caused by the illegal aliens.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
<http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html>

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's
two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular,
their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in
the United States .

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html
<http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html>

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens
that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal
aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs,
cocaine, meth, heroine and marijuana, crossed into

the U. S. from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report:
http://tinyurl.com/t9sht <http://tinyurl.com/t9sht>

12. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of
mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average
cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year
period."

http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf
<http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf>

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back
to their countries of origin.

http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
<http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm>

14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex
Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States ".
http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml <http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml>

So using the LOWEST estimates, the annual cost OF ILLEGAL ALIENS is
$338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR! So if deporting them costs between
$206 and $230 BILLION DOLLARS, Hell get rid of em', We'll be ahead
after the 1st year!!!

Please pass this on. Americans need to wake up!

America cannot allow these destructive invaders to remain in our
country. Humane
return with cash "bonus" of $5,000.00 per family would cost less then
the Irag farce and would preserve America for our children.

ted

http://www.numbersusa.com/

Numbers USA

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TOPIC: Huh -- the Anti-IRS tax people actually won in court -- what now?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/877317972c660109?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 27 2007 4:45 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Tockk" <tock1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:tDdqi.24613$RX.7099@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net...
> Anyone follow this topic? All I know about it is that the IRS tells me I
> gotta pay 'em, so I do. But it looks like this guy who says we don't
> have to (at least not on earned income) had his day in court, and the jury
> ruled for him, 12-0. Anyone know anything else?
>
> http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007707130321
>
snip

> Cryer says he stopped filing returns more than 10 years ago after he
> investigated claims that income tax was a sham. He contends the law
> doesn't actually tax personal earning.

my investigations show that he's probably correct; the wage slave doesn't
have
to pay tax on wages. some who may have to pay on wages: business owners,
corporate
officers, corporations, residents of d.c. and other u.s. territories,
employees of the federal govt.

http://www.freedomabovefortune.com/

go to the download report and on that page you'll find a drop down box
that will give you other names to search for along with irs.

and perhaps you'd like to investigate 9-11 while you're at it.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 27 2007 4:48 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

other side info: http://www.quatlosers.com/joe_banister.htm

and are you aware that federal, state and county govts keep
2 sets of books?

http://www.cafrman.com/

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 27 2007 6:12 am
From: clams casino

Tockk wrote:

>Anyone follow this topic? All I know about it is that the IRS tells me I
>gotta pay 'em, so I do. But it looks like this guy who says we don't have
>to (at least not on earned income) had his day in court, and the jury ruled
>for him, 12-0. Anyone know anything else?
>
>
>

After doing a google search, all I'm finding are brief stories
reporting two felonies were dropped and a lot of gossip / speculation
on blogs & other wacky sites.

It would be interesting to know WHY the two felonies were dropped
("before coming to trial"). I'm not finding what I can call a
reliable reference explaining why they were dropped.

"dismissed" two felony charges of tax evasion prior to trial is not
really the same as "acquitted" / not guilty.

The reference sites seem to restate what Cryer mouths vs. the court's
reasons for dismissal.

He reminds me of the DC lawyer suing for his pants.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 27 2007 6:29 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"clams casino" <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote in message
news:Xamqi.2863$dA7.1750@newsfe16.lga...
> Tockk wrote:
>
>>Anyone follow this topic? All I know about it is that the IRS tells me I
>>gotta pay 'em, so I do. But it looks like this guy who says we don't
>>have to (at least not on earned income) had his day in court, and the jury
>>ruled for him, 12-0. Anyone know anything else?
>>
>>
>
> After doing a google search, all I'm finding are brief stories reporting
> two felonies were dropped and a lot of gossip / speculation on blogs &
> other wacky sites.
>
> It would be interesting to know WHY the two felonies were dropped ("before
> coming to trial"). I'm not finding what I can call a reliable reference
> explaining why they were dropped.
>
> "dismissed" two felony charges of tax evasion prior to trial is not really
> the same as "acquitted" / not guilty.

if you were the irs, and the defendent really had the goods, would
you want it reported all over the country via a full-blown aquittal?
better to order the da to stand down, don't ya think?

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 27 2007 7:43 am
From: clams casino

AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:

>"clams casino" <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote in message
>news:Xamqi.2863$dA7.1750@newsfe16.lga...
>
>
>>Tockk wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Anyone follow this topic? All I know about it is that the IRS tells me I
>>>gotta pay 'em, so I do. But it looks like this guy who says we don't
>>>have to (at least not on earned income) had his day in court, and the jury
>>>ruled for him, 12-0. Anyone know anything else?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>After doing a google search, all I'm finding are brief stories reporting
>>two felonies were dropped and a lot of gossip / speculation on blogs &
>>other wacky sites.
>>
>>It would be interesting to know WHY the two felonies were dropped ("before
>>coming to trial"). I'm not finding what I can call a reliable reference
>>explaining why they were dropped.
>>
>>"dismissed" two felony charges of tax evasion prior to trial is not really
>>the same as "acquitted" / not guilty.
>>
>>
>
>if you were the irs, and the defendent really had the goods, would
>you want it reported all over the country via a full-blown aquittal?
>better to order the da to stand down, don't ya think?
>
>
>
>
Fully agree, which is why I'd like to hear the other side (from a
reliable source). Only the wacky sites seem to be responding.

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TOPIC: Check Your Car Insurance Regularly
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/93a5581dacaa9a16?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 27 2007 5:11 am
From: jessi

I found Some excellent tips on this topic here
http://car.insurance.tips.googlepages.com

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 27 2007 6:15 am
From: clams casino

jessi wrote:

>I found Some excellent tips
>
>
>
A slimy spammer from Pakistan making recommendations?

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 27 2007 6:22 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"clams casino" <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote in message
news:Vdmqi.2864$dA7.2749@newsfe16.lga...
> jessi wrote:
>
>>I found Some excellent tips
>>
>>
> A slimy spammer from Pakistan making recommendations?

she's in the uk.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 27 2007 7:44 am
From: clams casino

AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:

>"clams casino" <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote in message
>news:Vdmqi.2864$dA7.2749@newsfe16.lga...
>
>
>>jessi wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I found Some excellent tips
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>A slimy spammer from Pakistan making recommendations?
>>
>>
>
>she's in the uk.
>
>
>
>
Then why is it posted via Pakistan?

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TOPIC: Currency exchange rates
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/431b90ce2eb115b2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 27 2007 5:16 am
From: "A Mate"

Nah! Beachcomber. It's a well known truism that: For every complex
situation there's a simple solution - and - it's usually wrong!

"Beachcomber" <invalid@notreal.none> wrote in message
news:46a40d44.11621609@news.verizon.net...
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 06:25:51 +1000, "dfr" <dfr@dfr.com> wrote:
>
>>nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
>>> Something arrived in the mail which seems to make sense:
>>>
>>> I just returned from three weeks in England, Scotland, and Ireland.
>>> In terms of dollars, everything you buy is at least 50% more
>>> expensive. My belief that exchange rates will be the mechanism by
>>> which trade imbalances are corrected
>>
>
> As long as you realize that many times, the high prices in Europe are
> also supported higher wages and Europeans may be paying a lot more
> taxes (gasoline, VAT, higher income taxes, import Tariffs, etc.).
> These high taxes support the greater socialist model that European
> countries expect, such as universal health care, expensive transit
> projects, increased funding for the arts, etc.
>
> Contrast that with many places in the US (Oregon and Florida) for
> example, where people just don't like paying high taxes, may prefer
> shopping at Wal-Mart or Costco, mostly ignore mass transit, tolerate
> mediocre schools, and are offended when gas goes over $3/gal.
> (Europeans generally pay the equivalent of $4- 5/gal).
>
> The point is that there are many, many factors that set prices, wages,
> and taxes. Some of it is cultural. Seldom is there a simple
> explanation.
>
>
>

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TOPIC: Blackberry's Magic (An Encore Presentation)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e467569bd76f5942?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 27 2007 6:07 am
From: kaash

watch out Blackberry's Magic (An Encore Presentation) Video
http://mobilephone-guide.blogspot.com/2007/07/blackberry-magic-encore-presentation.html

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 27 2007 7:48 am
From: clams casino

kaash wrote:

>watch out Blackberry's Magic
>
>
>
hmm - great way to download a virus......... more gmail / google
group spam from Pakistan.........

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TOPIC: GASOLINE DISCOUNT
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0dee8ac64dbfaf7c?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 27 2007 7:18 am
From: kevin_zquik41@yahoo.com

If you, or any of your buddies, have Discover Card they are offering
5% cash back this summer on Gas. Only one minor catch:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/718619/discount_gasoline_with_credit_card/

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 27 2007 8:46 am
From: Dennis

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:18:56 -0700, kevin_zquik41@yahoo.com wrote:

>If you, or any of your buddies, have Discover Card they are offering
>5% cash back this summer on Gas. Only one minor catch:
>
>http://www.metacafe.com/watch/718619/discount_gasoline_with_credit_card/

The second catch being that the extra cash back maxes out at US$20.
But 20 bucks is 20 bucks.

Dennis (evil)
--
My output is down, my income is up, I take a short position on the long bond and
my revenue stream has its own cash flow. -George Carlin

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TOPIC: Grocery Coupons On Line?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 27 2007 7:21 am
From: kevin_zquik41@yahoo.com

Every time I look for coupons it's like a black hole of clicking.
There are a lot of websites, but I never found a good (easy) one.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 27 2007 7:42 am
From: clams casino

kevin_zquik41@yahoo.com wrote:

>Every time I look for coupons it's like a black hole of clicking.
>There are a lot of websites, but I never found a good (easy) one.
>
>
>
Most on-line sites seem to be useless and/or just a gimmick to expose
one to immense spam.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 27 2007 8:35 am
From: Abe

>Anyone know of a website that contains grocery coupons or a list of
>groceries "on sales" for any given locale? I believe I saw such a sote some
>time ago. It was written up in the local paper as a start-up website that
>planned to charge a nominal fee for a subscription. I can go to the webpages
>of each major grocer in the area but they don'e permit a search and it's too
>time consuming for me.
>
http://www.mygrocerydeals.com has a halfway decent collection of
coupons, and also aggregates weekly sale flyer information from your
local supermarkets, which makes it easy to see who has a particular
item on sale that week. Their privacy policy also seems to be solid.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 27 2007 9:10 am
From: me@privacy.net

Went to sell two books back that I paid $200

They wouldn't buy one.....and the other book only
wanted to give me $10 (hardback even)!

Anyone steel them online? If yes.... what best place to
do so? Tired of getting screwed

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 27 2007 9:57 am
From: Larisa

On Jul 27, 11:10 am, m...@privacy.net wrote:
> Went to sell two books back that I paid $200
>
> They wouldn't buy one.....and the other book only
> wanted to give me $10 (hardback even)!
>
> Anyone steel them online? If yes.... what best place to
> do so? Tired of getting screwed

I would recommend buying them online to begin with, at half.com or
something. Doesn't always help - not all books are available there -
but for some books, it's great. I paid $30 for a book that cost $100
new.

As far as selling them, try half.com or abebooks or ebay or
something. Maybe it'll help.

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