Frugal Living: Jul 5, 2007

Thursday, July 5, 2007

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Investors Pre Booking For Next Investment Conference!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7eb51652502bc62c?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 4 2007 9:18 pm
From: George Grapman

The Home Business Experts wrote:
> On Jul 4, 8:25 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
>> Investment advisers to wealthy people always get new clients on Usenet
>> posting from gmail.
>
> HAHA. George you need to stop talking. Because you have no clue what
> your talking about? Our CEO is a VICE PRESIDENT of a major US
> INVESTMENT FIRM. Chances are if you do any investing at all he has
> handle your account. haha. Why don't you stop talking about things you
> have no idea about. Your wasting my time but amusing me at the same
> time.
>
> :)
>
Major investments firms regularly span Usenet and post from gmail.
Why are you afraid to post contact details on your site?

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 4 2007 9:38 pm
From: James

On Jul 4, 11:57 pm, The Home Business Experts
<Jon.B.Thomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 4, 8:25 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
>
> > Investment advisers to wealthy people always get new clients on Usenet
> > posting from gmail.
>
> HAHA. George you need to stop talking. Because you have no clue what
> your talking about? Our CEO is a VICE PRESIDENT of a major US
> INVESTMENT FIRM. Chances are if you do any investing at all he has
> handle your account. haha. Why don't you stop talking about things you
> have no idea about. Your wasting my time but amusing me at the same
> time.
>
> :)

I can open an investment firm next week and name myself VP.

Your claim about him handling all these accounts? Give me a break. VPs
don't handle individual accounts in large firms.

I've worked for a brokerage firm. Legit firms make money by taking a
cut off the stock they sell their clients. They don't profit from
holding seminars.

Are the stocks you are promoting sold on major exchanges? Or are they
over the counter stocks which have much looser requirements on
reporting.

And exploration stocks - do people know how these work? These are not
the major players, these are explorers, who lease rights to explore on
land, rent equipment. They have no assets other than their time
limited leases.

If the company finds nothing, they dissolve the company and there is
zero value left for the shareholders. I've seen it dozens of times.

James

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 5 2007 1:06 am
From: Gene S. Berkowitz

In article <1183607878.836510.261240@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,
Jon.B.Thompson@gmail.com says...
> On Jul 4, 8:25 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> > Investment advisers to wealthy people always get new clients on Usenet
> > posting from gmail.
>
> HAHA. George you need to stop talking. Because you have no clue what
> your talking about? Our CEO is a VICE PRESIDENT of a major US
> INVESTMENT FIRM. Chances are if you do any investing at all he has
> handle your account. haha. Why don't you stop talking about things you
> have no idea about. Your wasting my time but amusing me at the same
> time.
>
> :)

Repeat after me, Jon:

Y-O-U-'-R-E

Let's see, YOU'RE so successful that you've operated as:

six-steps-to-financial-freedom.com
topbusinessprofessionals.com
therealbusinesslifestyle.com
expectfinancialfreedom.com
makingmillionaires101.com
legitimate-business.com <-- My personal favorite!
serious-professionals.com

Did I miss any?

--Gene

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 5 2007 6:24 am
From: clams casino

The Home Business Experts wrote:

>On Jul 4, 8:25 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
>
>
>> Investment advisers to wealthy people always get new clients on Usenet
>>posting from gmail.
>>
>>
>
>HAHA. George you need to stop talking. Because you have no clue what
>your talking about? Our CEO is a VICE PRESIDENT of a major US
>INVESTMENT FIRM. Chances are if you do any investing at all he has
>handle your account. haha. Why don't you stop talking about things you
>have no idea about. Your wasting my time but amusing me at the same
>time.
>
>:)
>
>
>
Your limited English grammatical skills are still prominent.

A minimum 6th-grade level is suggested if you are to handle more than $100.

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TOPIC: Onesuite phone cards and their VoIP services
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ed3fa1b085650717?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 4 2007 9:25 pm
From: Zee

Hi guys,

Can't seem to reply on one of the topic about Onesuite so let me just
say my 2 cents here.

I read that some people think you can not receive calls from Onesuite
VoIP service, the truth is you can receive unlimited calls and for
free. SuiteAdvantage (thats what they called their VoIP service)
feature is only $2.95 and you would get:

Phone number (you can choose your area code)
Voice mail feature
Free incoming calls
Lower rates to some countries (compared with Onesuite regular local
access rate)
Additional virtual number for only $1.95 monthly (again you can choose
the area code)

Those are only what I have at top of my head...just check out
Onesuite.com website for complete details :)

I think this is a very good deal especially that you can quit anytime
if you don't like and its a "pay as go" so you don't commit to any
plans unlike other VoIP providers which most of the time you don't
maximize the minutes or the amount that you paid.

Has anyone tried their SuiteAdvantage/VoIP feature? Mine so far has
been a good one, don't know bout the others though.

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TOPIC: Gas saving (automobile)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8d72a95f7c4bb0f8?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 4 2007 9:31 pm
From: ""

On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 10:00:22 -0400, Just A User <ken@up-yours-spammer.net>
wrote:

>Okay frugal car people, here is the story. I bought a very frugal auto
>about 1 year ago. It started out great on gas. I have been keeping a gas
>log since the first day I owned it. It started out great, 40mpg. But it
>has been a downhill slide since then. On the most recent tank top up it
>only got 23.3 mpg. I only drive this car about 30 to 50 miles a week.
>
>Ken

Two possibilities;

1.. Kid in the neighborhood with a car ( and a siphon hose )

2.. A recent trip to a oil-change shop......
After "checking" my air filter, pcv valve, etc.
they screwed up the housing, left a wire disconnected,
and left the pcv valve disconnected too.
It took a trip to my dealer to get everything straightened out.
BTW;
From now on, it's "Change the oil and filter ONLY"
DON'T touch anything else, add anything, sweep or clean anything.

<rj>

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 5 2007 6:45 am
From: Just A User

Rod Speed wrote:
> Just A User <ken@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote:
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>> Just A User <ken@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote:
>>>> George wrote:
>>>>> Just A User wrote:
>>>>>> Okay frugal car people, here is the story. I bought a very frugal
>>>>>> auto about 1 year ago. It started out great on gas. I have been
>>>>>> keeping a gas log since the first day I owned it. It started out
>>>>>> great, 40mpg. But it has been a downhill slide since then. On the
>>>>>> most recent tank top up it only got 23.3 mpg. I only drive this
>>>>>> car about 30 to 50 miles a week. Most of the trips are to and
>>>>>> from work (30 miles a week) so the trips are right around 3
>>>>>> miles. I drive very conservatively and use the a/c as little as
>>>>>> possible. Now I know that cold engines use much more fuel than
>>>>>> warm engines. I have considered buying a engine pre-heater. Has
>>>>>> anyone ever used one? How about making it solar powered for sunny
>>>>>> days? I don't want to spend a bundle on saving fuel, but to go
>>>>>> from 40 to 23 is a significant reduction. Thanks for any advise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken
>>>>> It sounds more like you should take it in for a service check to
>>>>> find out why the fuel economy dropped so radically.
>>>> I guess I should have mentioned I had the car tuned up 1000 miles
>>>> ago.
>>> Looks like whoever did that fucked it up.
>
>> Doubtful. Car runs great other than mileage.
>
> It isnt hard to get that result. Just installing the wrong air filter can do that.
>
>
But it's been a slow decline. It didn't just drop from 40 to 23 over night.

Here is my gas log.

> 9/23/06 7.3 51582
> 10/21/06 7.1 51930 49.01
> 11/4/06 3.7 52042 30.27
> 11/16/06 8.1 52297 31.48
> 11/21/06 8.1 52566 33.20
> 1/2/07 7.9 52778 26.83 tune up & oil change
> 1/11/07 2.7 52851 27.03
> 1/27/07 3.1 52933 26.45
> 2/13/07 4.4 53058 28.40
> 3/3/07 4.5 53174 25.77 inflated tires to 50psi
> 3/26/07 4.9 53311 27.95 lowered tire pressure to 26psi
> 4/18/07 4.6 53438 27.60
> 5/14/07 5.0 53574 27.2 new r/r tire
> 6/10/07 5.0 53705 26.2
> 7/3/07 5.2 53829 23.8 added fuel inj cleaner

Ken

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 5 2007 6:50 am
From: Just A User

Gene S. Berkowitz wrote:
> In article <-4qdnbVYcN0JsRHbnZ2dnUVZ_t3inZ2d@giganews.com>, ken@up-
> yours-spammer.net says...
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>> Just A User <ken@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote:
>>>> George wrote:
>>>>> Just A User wrote:
>>>>>> Okay frugal car people, here is the story. I bought a very frugal
>>>>>> auto about 1 year ago. It started out great on gas. I have been
>>>>>> keeping a gas log since the first day I owned it. It started out
>>>>>> great, 40mpg. But it has been a downhill slide since then. On the
>>>>>> most recent tank top up it only got 23.3 mpg. I only drive this car
>>>>>> about 30 to 50 miles a week. Most of the trips are to and from work
>>>>>> (30 miles a week) so the trips are right around 3 miles. I drive
>>>>>> very conservatively and use the a/c as little as possible. Now I
>>>>>> know that cold engines use much more fuel than warm engines. I have
>>>>>> considered buying a engine pre-heater. Has anyone ever used one?
>>>>>> How about making it solar powered for sunny days? I don't want to
>>>>>> spend a bundle on saving fuel, but to go from 40 to 23 is a
>>>>>> significant reduction. Thanks for any advise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken
>>>>> It sounds more like you should take it in for a service check to find
>>>>> out why the fuel economy dropped so radically.
>>>> I guess I should have mentioned I had the car tuned up 1000 miles ago.
>>> Looks like whoever did that fucked it up.
>>>
>>>
>> Doubtful. Car runs great other than mileage.
>
> Must be the trade winds then. If the mileage is poor, by definition,
> the car is NOT running "great". It's limping.
> Likely scenario: you screwed up the tuneup by missing something, such as
> PCV valve or fuel filter.
>
> Stop saying "I had the car tuned up", because YOU performed the tuneup.
> Say "I tuned up the car", because that's the first step in admitting
> that you just MIGHT have made some error.
>
> Did you change the muffler with an aftermarket replacement, by any
> chance?
>
> You could have a bad or disconnected sensor that is causing the engine
> to run rich, resulting in a plugged catalytic converter. In a 3-mile
> drive, it probably isn't even reaching operating temperature.
>
> Try taking it out on the highway for 40-50 miles, at 60 mph. Burn the
> gunk out of it.
>
> --Gene
>
>
>
>
Sure it's possible I missed something, but I think I replaced all the
normal stuff. I didn't do any sensors, but did plugs, wires, dist cap,
rotor, air and fuel filters, pcv valve, checked ign timing, changed oil
and filter.

Ken

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 5 2007 6:51 am
From: Just A User

Rod Speed wrote:
> Just A User <ken@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote:
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>> Just A User <ken@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote:
>>>> Joe wrote:
>>>>>> I had the car tuned about 1000 miles ago
>>>>> Check your air filter... If they didn't change it, the intake is
>>>>> being choked and can easily cause this problem.
>>>> I worked as a mechanic years ago, and did the tune up myself, the
>>>> air filter was changed
>>> Looks like you fucked it up.
>
>> Unlikely. The car runs super other than the mileage. No hesitation, idles smooth as a baby.
>
> You'd get that if you used the wrong air filter or managed to disconnect the O2 detector.
>
>
No I am sure I used the right parts. And wasn't anywhere near the o2 sensor.

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 5 2007 6:54 am
From: Just A User

clams casino wrote:
> Just A User wrote:
>
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>> Just A User <ken@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Joe wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I had the car tuned about 1000 miles ago
>>>>>
>>>>> Check your air filter... If they didn't change it, the intake is
>>>>> being choked and can easily cause this problem.
>>>>
>>>> I worked as a mechanic years ago, and did the tune up myself, the air
>>>> filter was changed
>>>
>>>
>>> Looks like you fucked it up.
>>>
>> Unlikely. The car runs super other than the mileage. No hesitation,
>> idles smooth as a baby.
>
> Meaningless. When the O2 sensor went on my Chrysler, about the only
> tell tell sign was a check-engine light and a 50% drop in mileage as I
> quickly went through a tank of gas on a trip that should have taken only
> a half tank. Idle was fine, start was fine, etc. It just burned a lot
> more gas per mile.
Sure I have heard things like that before. I guess maybe that will be
something to check. I am thinking that my short trips aren't warming
everything up and the car might benefit from a run on the highway.

Ken

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 5 2007 5:40 am
From: James

On Jul 5, 6:51 am, Just A User <k...@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
> > Just A User <k...@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote:
> >> Rod Speed wrote:
> >>> Just A User <k...@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote:
> >>>> Joe wrote:
> >>>>>> I had the car tuned about 1000 miles ago
> >>>>> Check your air filter... If they didn't change it, the intake is
> >>>>> being choked and can easily cause this problem.
> >>>> I worked as a mechanic years ago, and did the tune up myself, the
> >>>> air filter was changed
> >>> Looks like you fucked it up.
>
> >> Unlikely. The car runs super other than the mileage. No hesitation, idles smooth as a baby.
>
> > You'd get that if you used the wrong air filter or managed to disconnect the O2 detector.
>
> No I am sure I used the right parts. And wasn't anywhere near the o2 sensor.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

O2 sensors aremore than capable of failing without any help.

James

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 5 2007 8:24 am
From: Vic Smith

On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 06:45:52 -0400, Just A User
<ken@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote:

>Rod Speed wrote:
>> Just A User <ken@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote:
>>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> Just A User <ken@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote:
>>>>> George wrote:
>>>>>> Just A User wrote:
>>>>>>> Okay frugal car people, here is the story. I bought a very frugal
>>>>>>> auto about 1 year ago. It started out great on gas. I have been
>>>>>>> keeping a gas log since the first day I owned it. It started out
>>>>>>> great, 40mpg. But it has been a downhill slide since then. On the
>>>>>>> most recent tank top up it only got 23.3 mpg. I only drive this
>>>>>>> car about 30 to 50 miles a week. Most of the trips are to and
>>>>>>> from work (30 miles a week) so the trips are right around 3
>>>>>>> miles. I drive very conservatively and use the a/c as little as
>>>>>>> possible. Now I know that cold engines use much more fuel than
>>>>>>> warm engines. I have considered buying a engine pre-heater. Has
>>>>>>> anyone ever used one? How about making it solar powered for sunny
>>>>>>> days? I don't want to spend a bundle on saving fuel, but to go
>>>>>>> from 40 to 23 is a significant reduction. Thanks for any advise.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ken
>>>>>> It sounds more like you should take it in for a service check to
>>>>>> find out why the fuel economy dropped so radically.
>>>>> I guess I should have mentioned I had the car tuned up 1000 miles
>>>>> ago.
>>>> Looks like whoever did that fucked it up.
>>
>>> Doubtful. Car runs great other than mileage.
>>
>> It isnt hard to get that result. Just installing the wrong air filter can do that.
>>
>>
>But it's been a slow decline. It didn't just drop from 40 to 23 over night.
>
>Here is my gas log.
>
>> 9/23/06 7.3 51582
>> 10/21/06 7.1 51930 49.01
>> 11/4/06 3.7 52042 30.27
>> 11/16/06 8.1 52297 31.48
>> 11/21/06 8.1 52566 33.20
>> 1/2/07 7.9 52778 26.83 tune up & oil change
>> 1/11/07 2.7 52851 27.03
>> 1/27/07 3.1 52933 26.45
>> 2/13/07 4.4 53058 28.40
>> 3/3/07 4.5 53174 25.77 inflated tires to 50psi
>> 3/26/07 4.9 53311 27.95 lowered tire pressure to 26psi
>> 4/18/07 4.6 53438 27.60
>> 5/14/07 5.0 53574 27.2 new r/r tire
>> 6/10/07 5.0 53705 26.2
>> 7/3/07 5.2 53829 23.8 added fuel inj cleaner
>
>
If you toss the wacky first and last numbers nothing is there that
can't be explained away by driving habits/circumstance, so check your
methods for measuring.
The '91 Metro should have OBDI diagnostics, and if so
get a code reader or short the pins to get the flashing codes.
If your check engine light isn't working you'll have to fix that
first. Google for ODBI code to get the procedure and code
definitions.
If you get no codes, you can still test the O2 sensor with an multi
tester, and GM sensors are cheap, if that's a GM
Normally a rich condition means the O2 sensor sends a signal to the
ECU, which will store the code and set the check engine light on, but
maybe something's not working normally.
If you are consuming oil because of ring/cylinder wear (blow-by), or
losing compression via leaking head gasket your mileage will suffer,
though these problems are easily detected by the lost oil or the
noise/coolant contamination of the gasket leak.
Same with a gas leak, by smell, fire or explosion. I don't know what
sensors/diagnostics are used on that car, but that's a start.
You might ping Tock here, as he had a Metro.
Good luck.

--Vic

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 5 2007 8:30 am
From: Vic Smith

On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 08:24:44 -0500, Vic Smith
<thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 06:45:52 -0400, Just A User
><ken@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote:
>
>>Rod Speed wrote:
>>> Just A User <ken@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote:
>>>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>> Just A User <ken@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote:
>>>>>> George wrote:
>>>>>>> Just A User wrote:
>>>>>>>> Okay frugal car people, here is the story. I bought a very frugal
>>>>>>>> auto about 1 year ago. It started out great on gas. I have been
>>>>>>>> keeping a gas log since the first day I owned it. It started out
>>>>>>>> great, 40mpg. But it has been a downhill slide since then. On the
>>>>>>>> most recent tank top up it only got 23.3 mpg. I only drive this
>>>>>>>> car about 30 to 50 miles a week. Most of the trips are to and
>>>>>>>> from work (30 miles a week) so the trips are right around 3
>>>>>>>> miles. I drive very conservatively and use the a/c as little as
>>>>>>>> possible. Now I know that cold engines use much more fuel than
>>>>>>>> warm engines. I have considered buying a engine pre-heater. Has
>>>>>>>> anyone ever used one? How about making it solar powered for sunny
>>>>>>>> days? I don't want to spend a bundle on saving fuel, but to go
>>>>>>>> from 40 to 23 is a significant reduction. Thanks for any advise.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ken
>>>>>>> It sounds more like you should take it in for a service check to
>>>>>>> find out why the fuel economy dropped so radically.
>>>>>> I guess I should have mentioned I had the car tuned up 1000 miles
>>>>>> ago.
>>>>> Looks like whoever did that fucked it up.
>>>
>>>> Doubtful. Car runs great other than mileage.
>>>
>>> It isnt hard to get that result. Just installing the wrong air filter can do that.
>>>
>>>
>>But it's been a slow decline. It didn't just drop from 40 to 23 over night.
>>
>>Here is my gas log.
>>
>>> 9/23/06 7.3 51582
>>> 10/21/06 7.1 51930 49.01
>>> 11/4/06 3.7 52042 30.27
>>> 11/16/06 8.1 52297 31.48
>>> 11/21/06 8.1 52566 33.20
>>> 1/2/07 7.9 52778 26.83 tune up & oil change
>>> 1/11/07 2.7 52851 27.03
>>> 1/27/07 3.1 52933 26.45
>>> 2/13/07 4.4 53058 28.40
>>> 3/3/07 4.5 53174 25.77 inflated tires to 50psi
>>> 3/26/07 4.9 53311 27.95 lowered tire pressure to 26psi
>>> 4/18/07 4.6 53438 27.60
>>> 5/14/07 5.0 53574 27.2 new r/r tire
>>> 6/10/07 5.0 53705 26.2
>>> 7/3/07 5.2 53829 23.8 added fuel inj cleaner
>>
>>
>If you toss the wacky first and last numbers nothing is there that
>can't be explained away by driving habits/circumstance, so check your
>methods for measuring.
>The '91 Metro should have OBDI diagnostics, and if so
>get a code reader or short the pins to get the flashing codes.
>If your check engine light isn't working you'll have to fix that
>first. Google for ODBI code to get the procedure and code
>definitions.
>If you get no codes, you can still test the O2 sensor with an multi
>tester, and GM sensors are cheap, if that's a GM
>Normally a rich condition means the O2 sensor sends a signal to the
>ECU, which will store the code and set the check engine light on, but
>maybe something's not working normally.
>If you are consuming oil because of ring/cylinder wear (blow-by), or
>losing compression via leaking head gasket your mileage will suffer,
>though these problems are easily detected by the lost oil or the
>noise/coolant contamination of the gasket leak.
>Same with a gas leak, by smell, fire or explosion. I don't know what
>sensors/diagnostics are used on that car, but that's a start.
>You might ping Tock here, as he had a Metro.
>Good luck.
>
Forgot. If it's a stick, a slipping clutch will decease mileage.

--Vic

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TOPIC: China report: Industrial chemicals being used in products from candy to
seafood
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a0dfac81ec220ae4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 5 2007 2:39 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

JoeSpareBedroom <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:

> ROFL!

Village eejut imitations cut no mustard, fuckwit shelf stacker.

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TOPIC: Inspectors Say Nearly 1 in 5 Chinese Products Substandard
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f315350ea3d5b6ff?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 5 2007 12:38 am
From: "Wilson"

If the Bush/Cheney cartel have it their way, the American market will be
flooded with Chinese products. This is the price we'll pay for China turning
a blind eye to Bushes shenanigans

http://voanews.com/english/2007-07-04-voa15.cfm

Inspectors Say Nearly 1 in 5 Chinese Products Substandard

Chinese government inspectors report that nearly one-fifth of the products
they examined this year were substandard. The report follows months of
increasing publicity over tainted foods and unsafe products made in China
and sold both domestically and overseas.

--
" Never give a sucker an even break"
- W.C. Fields

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 5 2007 5:11 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Wilson <wilson@universal.com> wrote:

> If the Bush/Cheney cartel have it their way,

You wouldnt know what a cartel was if it bit you on your lard arse.

> the American market will be flooded with Chinese products.

Nothing to do with Bush or Cheney.

> This is the price we'll pay for China turning a blind eye to Bushes shenanigans

Nothing to do with Bush or Cheney.

> http://voanews.com/english/2007-07-04-voa15.cfm

> Inspectors Say Nearly 1 in 5 Chinese Products Substandard

Hardly the end of civilisation as we know it, child.

> Chinese government inspectors report that nearly one-fifth of the
> products they examined this year were substandard. The report follows months of increasing
> publicity over tainted foods and unsafe products made in China and sold both domestically and
> overseas.

Do the decent thing and set fire to yourself in 'protest' or sumfin, child.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 5 2007 3:51 am
From: John Baker

On Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:11:31 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Wilson <wilson@universal.com> wrote:
>
>> If the Bush/Cheney cartel have it their way,
>
>You wouldnt know what a cartel was if it bit you on your lard arse.
>
>> the American market will be flooded with Chinese products.
>
>Nothing to do with Bush or Cheney.
>
>> This is the price we'll pay for China turning a blind eye to Bushes shenanigans
>
>Nothing to do with Bush or Cheney.
>
>> http://voanews.com/english/2007-07-04-voa15.cfm
>
>> Inspectors Say Nearly 1 in 5 Chinese Products Substandard
>
>Hardly the end of civilisation as we know it, child.
>
>> Chinese government inspectors report that nearly one-fifth of the
>> products they examined this year were substandard. The report follows months of increasing
>> publicity over tainted foods and unsafe products made in China and sold both domestically and
>> overseas.
>
>Do the decent thing and set fire to yourself in 'protest' or sumfin, child.

Piss off.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 5 2007 7:46 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:11:31 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Wilson <wilson@universal.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If the Bush/Cheney cartel have it their way,
>>
>> You wouldnt know what a cartel was if it bit you on your lard arse.
>>
>>> the American market will be flooded with Chinese products.
>>
>> Nothing to do with Bush or Cheney.
>>
>>> This is the price we'll pay for China turning a blind eye to Bushes
>>> shenanigans
>>
>> Nothing to do with Bush or Cheney.
>>
>>> http://voanews.com/english/2007-07-04-voa15.cfm
>>
>>> Inspectors Say Nearly 1 in 5 Chinese Products Substandard
>>
>> Hardly the end of civilisation as we know it, child.
>>
>>> Chinese government inspectors report that nearly one-fifth of the
>>> products they examined this year were substandard. The report
>>> follows months of increasing publicity over tainted foods and
>>> unsafe products made in China and sold both domestically and
>>> overseas.
>>
>> Do the decent thing and set fire to yourself in 'protest' or sumfin,
>> child.
>
>
> Piss off.

Go and fuck yourself.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 5 2007 4:44 am
From: Martin Leese

jheller wrote:

> The only time my dd has tp in her house is when she has guest stay over.
> The haven't bought any in years, she is very clean , uses cloth rags,
> dryer sheets , washes them out with vingar and washes them seperate from
> other clothes to reuse, then tosses them out every month or so and uses
> "new" rags. old shirts, sheets, whatever is soft and easy to clean.
> This has been done all over the world since the begining of time.

In "Native Land" by Nigel Barley the author,
an anthropologist, describes how he invited
some Indonesian hill people to visit London
and build a rice barn as a living museum
exhibit. The Indonesians thought that toilet
paper was the most disgusting thing they had
ever heard of. From memory, one of the young
men said, "Your British women are very
beautiful. But then I remember the toilet
paper."

Back home, they walk into the forest and use
a convenient stone.

--
Regards,
Martin Leese
E-mail: please@see.Web.for.e-mail.INVALID
Web: http://members.tripod.com/martin_leese/

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 4 2007 9:46 pm
From: "http://www.crhut.com"

Hi,

5% cash back? Wow! Seriously, the best I got was 2% (not from
CitiBank). I wouldn't go too harsh on them as probably they sent you
the package before they received your signature. I hope that they
resolve your problem and you'd get your $50 (everyone loves such
offers).

http://www.crhut.com - The Credit Repair Hut

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TOPIC: A Crosby Story (From A Semi-Retired Roadie)
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 5 2007 2:07 am
From: ukie

Since folks are posting about Crosby's book, I've got a story to tell
yas.
It was in the mid 80s and I was working for Texas musician, Joe Ely.
Ely had a gig with Graham Nash in Houston at a club called
Rockerfellers. Since Ely is a big name in Texas, he was to headline
and Nash was to be opening act.
A few days before the gig, Ely's office got a call from Nash's
management. It turned out that Crosby was nearing the end of his
prison sentence and was in a halfway house located near the club.
Nash's manager asked if Ely would open, because Crosby got permission
to attend the gig. Nash's manager also requested that the show early,
since Crosby had a midnight curfew. The idea was that Crosby and Nash
would do some songs together and it would be Crosby's first public
performance in years.
It was supposed to be a secret. I'm not quite sure why, but it may
have had something to do with Crosby's physical appearance. When he
showed up for soundcheck, I didn't recognize him at all.
It wasn't until he climbed onstage to rehearse with Nash and started
singing that I realized who he was. He was wearing baggy slacks and a
plain long sleeve white dress shirt. His (remaining) hair was buzz cut
and he had white splotches on his face and neck. Those were burn scars
from pipes during his bad boy days.
When I heard him sing, I knew the audience was in for a special
treat. His voice was magical.
And sure enough, that night, when Nash brought Crosby out, there
wasn't a dry eye in the house. There was a vibe that is impossible for
me to describe.

About 10 years ago, I ran into Crosby at a benefit concert in Santa
Fe. I said, "The last time I saw you was at Rockerfellers in Houston.
You're hair was quite a bit shorter". I guess he didn't appreciate the
comment, because he gave me a dirty look and said, "Yeah, no SHIT".
At the same event, I witnessed Crosby meeting comedian Steven Wright
(who opened the show). As Wright walked offstage, Crosby grabbed his
arm and said, "HEY man, you're TWISTED! C'mon, and hang with US!"

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 5 2007 2:12 am
From: ukie

On Jul 5, 3:07 am, ukie <U.Betcher...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Since folks are posting about Crosby's book, I've got a story to tell
> yas.
> It was in the mid 80s and I was working for Texas musician, Joe Ely.
> Ely had a gig with Graham Nash in Houston at a club called
> Rockerfellers. Since Ely is a big name in Texas, he was to headline
> and Nash was to be opening act.
> A few days before the gig, Ely's office got a call from Nash's
> management. It turned out that Crosby was nearing the end of his
> prison sentence and was in a halfway house located near the club.
> Nash's manager asked if Ely would open, because Crosby got permission
> to attend the gig. Nash's manager also requested that the show early,
> since Crosby had a midnight curfew. The idea was that Crosby and Nash
> would do some songs together and it would be Crosby's first public
> performance in years.
> It was supposed to be a secret. I'm not quite sure why, but it may
> have had something to do with Crosby's physical appearance. When he
> showed up for soundcheck, I didn't recognize him at all.
> It wasn't until he climbed onstage to rehearse with Nash and started
> singing that I realized who he was. He was wearing baggy slacks and a
> plain long sleeve white dress shirt. His (remaining) hair was buzz cut
> and he had white splotches on his face and neck. Those were burn scars
> from pipes during his bad boy days.
> When I heard him sing, I knew the audience was in for a special
> treat. His voice was magical.
> And sure enough, that night, when Nash brought Crosby out, there
> wasn't a dry eye in the house. There was a vibe that is impossible for
> me to describe.
>
> About 10 years ago, I ran into Crosby at a benefit concert in Santa
> Fe. I said, "The last time I saw you was at Rockerfellers in Houston.
> You're hair was quite a bit shorter". I guess he didn't appreciate the
> comment, because he gave me a dirty look and said, "Yeah, no SHIT".
> At the same event, I witnessed Crosby meeting comedian Steven Wright
> (who opened the show). As Wright walked offstage, Crosby grabbed his
> arm and said, "HEY man, you're TWISTED! C'mon, and hang with US!"

YIKES!
Sorry folks. This story wasn't intended to be posted here!
I sometimes read this group and have it bookmarked. I was posting the
story to another forum. Since I like Google's newsgroup spell check, I
composed the story here, intending to copy it, then delete it.
In a senior moment, I accidently hit "send".
I certainly hope I haven't offended anyone!

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 5 2007 11:54 am
From: duke

Tips of the days...

lets check here

http://tipsandtricks.sokmo.net/

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 5 2007 9:29 am
From: clams casino

duke wrote:

>Tips of the day...
>
>
>
>
>
Never respond to spam posted from gmail / google groups -

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