Frugal Living: Aug 17, 2008

Sunday, August 17, 2008

25 new messages in 14 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Oil for plastic laptop hinges
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 1:53 pm
From: Jason

Rod Speed wrote:
> john hamilton <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:
>
>> The hinges on our Fujitsu laptop screen appear to be 'all' plastic and they get very 'difficult to move' making the
>> screen difficult to fold up and down.
>
>> We have have tried 'WD-40', but that seems effective for only a very short time.
>
> And is bad for the plastic.
>
>> We are afraid to use ordinary oil as we thought it might effect the plastic.
>
> So does WD-40.
>

WD40 is nasty stuff with most plastics. It seems to get inside the plastic and
it disintegrates suddenly and catastrophically at a later date.

-- JJ

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TOPIC: air jordan shoes cheap sell sale
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/5e77e00a3f97c092?hl=en
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Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 2:02 pm
From: Al Bundy

lily wrote:

Do you have the real fake shoes or simply the fake fake shoes?
This reminds me of the business man that was traveling in China and
burned a hole in his dress shirt before a big meeting. No problem.
Shirts were cheap and plentiful there. He said to the local shop
owner, "Make me a half dozen silk shirts just like this one." When he
went to put on a shirt for the meeting he found that every shirt had
the same cigarette hole burned in it.

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TOPIC: Facts on Georgia-Russia conflict expose Bush's continual lying.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/163a0b9c89b58f8b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 2:05 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Aug 16, 8:21 pm, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> http://www.davidduke.com/index.php?s=russia&submit=go
>
> Thank goodness White House propaganda mill garbage and the general
> media
> swill is being rejected.
>
> ted

However, Bush showed superior restraint in not patting that women's
beach volleyball star on her ass last week.

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TOPIC: refinancing a double to get moved quickly - questions
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c46772999d5969df?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 2:21 pm
From: Al Bundy

OhioGuy wrote:
> I have a question about refinancing a home loan, and about how banks view a
> rental property, and perhaps what order we should do things if we want to
> move in the next few months. (move out to the suburbs in the same area - not
> long distance)
>

In this and several other posts, you have revealed a tremendous gap in
education and maturity. You have put yourself in a tough situation.
The wife did not just "discover" she was pregnant. She most likely
planned it exactly that way. Your best step in all this is to retrieve
your testicles from the wife's purse immediately and do what you have
to do to extricate yourself from the pending financial doom. Your
sister long ago knew of your weakness and perhaps also that the purse
in question is not even half full.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 4:53 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:21:43 -0700 (PDT), Al Bundy
<MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>OhioGuy wrote:
>> I have a question about refinancing a home loan, and about how banks view a
>> rental property, and perhaps what order we should do things if we want to
>> move in the next few months. (move out to the suburbs in the same area - not
>> long distance)
>>
>
>In this and several other posts, you have revealed a tremendous gap in
>education and maturity. You have put yourself in a tough situation.
>The wife did not just "discover" she was pregnant. She most likely
>planned it exactly that way. Your best step in all this is to retrieve
>your testicles from the wife's purse immediately and do what you have
>to do to extricate yourself from the pending financial doom. Your
>sister long ago knew of your weakness and perhaps also that the purse
>in question is not even half full.

Gotta agree. Freeloading sister, wife going "oh, by the way..."
Sounds like life's a bitch for OhioGuy.

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TOPIC: Circuit City Gift Cards - bankruptcy
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e8b3c2afb0aca037?hl=en
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Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 2:28 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Aug 14, 10:05 pm, "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote:
> > And you just discovered this in Kiplinger's today? How behind the
> > curve are you anyway?
>
> I think you missed the point - I wasn't personally aware of Circuit City
> having solvency problems, because I don't shop there, and am not very
> familiar with their stores, so I don't keep up on news related to them. As
> such, I figured there just might be someone out there reading this group
> that might have a Circuit City gift card, and who also hasn't heard of their
> "impending doom". However, if my post convinced even ONE person to go out
> and spend their gift card now, and it goes belly up in a month or so, then
> I'll feel that it was worth taking the couple of minutes to post my original
> message.

Based on that silly theory, you should post all the news in the world
right here on this sight just in case somebody missed something. Come
on. Are you still in hight school?

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TOPIC: Osama Fan Vera "Mirelle" Perks Crotch Cannibal Recipe
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3677a124728a8cc8?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 2:33 pm
From: mirellealqus@yahoo.ca

On Aug 17, 10:32 am, Mirelle <anamin...@gmail.com> wrote:

ANNOUNCING.....

Enrollment begins for classes in the art of fellatio, taught by world
renowned fellatrix Vera "Mirelle" Perks of Silverton, BC - that's Me!

I'm 54 years young last April, I'm HOT, and I've got LOTS of energy!
It's one of the reasons (only one) my Jew stepson and his Jewish
Princess wife Naomi moved with their baby RBP to KangarooLand. My
other Jew stepson and his wife Michelle avoid me, my real (non-Jew)
son won't talk to me, so I'm counting on you all!

"Great head has more than just penis action to it.
There are the balls to suck and roll around with the tongue....
And go back to the penis slowly tickling the head
ever so playfully....
And motions of up and down the penis with the tongue
ever so playfully.....
It takes having them tell the woman they are about to come and have
the woman pull gently on his balls as a man can not come when his
balls are descended for when a man has an orgasm his balls go up. Also
stop moving while doing this gentle pulling down of the balls."
- Mirelle, 17 Jan 2007 22:00:00
Message-ID: <1169099999.979954.5...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>

WANTED! Volunteers (male only) to serve in class as models for My
artistry. Sign up at the Church of the Revolving Vulva, or call Me at
250-358-2727. If I'm not available, you can leave a message with
Shaulik, My Jew hubby and personal dhimmi.

NO FAGS. Faggots are unnatural, disgusting, and I hate them.
See My space at http://moaningmirelle.blogspot.com/

Fuck zioniSStSS.
Fuck iSSrael!
See ya in class!

4APieceMirelle
I am a BIG FAN of Osama bin Laden
(Had A Piece Lately?)

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 2:34 pm
From: mirellealqus@yahoo.ca

On Aug 17, 10:29 am, Mirelle <anamin...@gmail.com> wrote:

ANNOUNCING.....

Enrollment begins for classes in the art of fellatio, taught by world
renowned fellatrix Vera "Mirelle" Perks of Silverton, BC - that's Me!

NO FAGS. Faggots are unnatural, disgusting, and I hate them.
See My space at http://moaningmirelle.blogspot.com/

Fuck zioniSStSS.
Fuck iSSrael!
See ya in class!

4APieceMirelle
I am a BIG FAN of Osama bin Laden
(Had A Piece Lately?)

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 2:52 pm
From: Mirelle

On Aug 17, 2:34 pm, mirelleal...@yahoo.ca wrote:

Forgery by Deborah Sharavi aka Edward Rosen.

Remember this post, rosen/slime:
http://tinyurl.com/577jeg
_____________________________________

Deborah Sharavi Oct 11 2004, 11:32 pm

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:17:58 +0200, "Heinrich"
<Heinr...@mailgate.org> wrote:
> As usual, you left out the part about the IDF eating their
> palestinian prey after they kill them.
> It's the reason the dead palestinian
> numbers are so low and the missing count is so high.

Nonsense. Pallies haul them away to their top restaurants.

Cider-Braised Palestinian Kid

8 small sage leaves
1 Palestinian Kid (can substitute pork, rattlesnake, or vulture)
2 Tbsp. chicken fat
1 medium onion, chopped coarsely
1 carrot, chopped coarsely
1 small turnip, chopped coarsely
2 cups apple cider or apple juice
1 bouquet garni made by tying together
3 sprigs of parsley, 2 sprigs of thyme and 1/2 bay leaf
1/4 cup parsley, chopped

Divide the sage leaves into equal portions and dress the kid.
In a large flameproof casserole, melt the fat over a high flame.
Brown the kid in the melted fat, and then remove and reduce the flame.
Add the onion, carrot and turnip, cover and let simmer for an hour.
Place the kid on vegetables and pour on the cider.
Bring to a boil, add the bouquet garni, cover and transfer to a medium
oven for 2 hours.
Remove the kid from the casserole and set aside to keep warm.
Strain the liquids in the casserole, pressing down on the vegetables
to squeeze out the liquids.
Place the kid on a warmed serving platter, pour over some of the
juices and sprinkle with the parsley.
Serve the remaining juices separately.

Serves lots of Pallies.

Deborah

http://tinyurl.com/ddkek (8th post)

http://fourthreichisrael.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/this-is-how-violent-zionists-are-zionist-cannibalistic-recipe/

Mirelle

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TOPIC: Frugal ideas
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b0fb633415061f1d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 2:53 pm
From: jeeppintom@webtv.net (Tommy)

A simple programable mechanical 15 amp timer should work for around $5.
I believe Lowes sells a spring wound 60 timer also. Anyway look at the
bottom or back of the coffee maker check the amps, and wattage, and do
the math.

Tommy

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 3:16 pm
From: P.W. Stynx

On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 00:33:06 +0200 (CEST), Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com>
wrote:

I know that your list reflects your lifestyle, so I'm not critisizing it.
On the other hand, I am lazy, and since you took the trouble of writing out
your list, why should I waste my energy? I'll just remora onto your list,
pointing out my differences. Thanks for the list. Now, if you'll excuse
my whilst I attach my rubber remora lips.... SLURP!

>- Owning one car.
We still have two. American independance, and all that.

>- A used car, paid with cash.
Both of ours are used, and 10 years old.

>- Using Public transportion.
Not available at all, in our village. (Yes, there are villages in the USA!)

>- Walking to destinations up to 1 mile away.
There are NO destinations less then 1 mile away from where we live. Unless
you count Ms Croutlier, and I wouldn't even want to drive to her house.
The nearest business is a convenience store, 2 miles away.

>- Sticking to the basics at the Grocery store.
We do that.
>- Shopping the Grocery Outlet and Bread Outlet.
We do that, but ONLY when we're in that town. (18 miles away)
>- No Cable TV.
We have no TV service at all. Not because we're superior, but because
we're in a valley and get Zero, as in NADA, ZILCH, NYET, NONE reception.
Thank God for Netflix (($24/month) anad the Internet.
>- Make my own Coffee
Well, duh. Who doesn't? Do you use a French Press? If not, you should.
Do you go to StarBuX? If so, you shouldn't.
>- Freeware Programs on the computer.
My friends call me "that cheap bastard that never pays for anything." Come
to think of it, why do I consider them to be friends?
>- Watch Priemium TV programing on the computer.
ditto.
>- Don't use VCR anymore to time shift programs,
What the flying fuck does this mean?
> All the network programs are available on line.
You said that, already
>- Reduce the amount of trash going to the curb and
> get a smaller garbage tip cart (Garbage fee is
> lower for the smaller cart).
Not here. $1 per bag of trash. However, we redeem our beverage bottles,
"redoom" our glass and plastics, feed the EXTREMELY rare meat scraps to our
dogs, vermipost (feed to our worm "farm") about 1/4 our veggie waste, and
compost the rest of our veggie waste. Our trash "fees" run about $2 per
month.
>- Use cell phone for LD.
no cell phones. 2 cent per minute calling plan.
>- USe M to M for LD since it is free.
I honestly did not understand that last sentence.
>- Use passive solar for heat in the winter (just open
> the shades and let the sun shine in.
Ditto, but no kudos to us. The guy who built our house was insane, and
built a southern facing sun room, and a brick floor. It mostly works, but
no thanks to anthying we did.
>- Share baby clothes with other moms.
No babies anymore, but we gave away all the clothes.

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TOPIC: Reviving dried-out typewriter ribbon
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Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 3:16 pm
From: P.W. Stynx

On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 10:07:20 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
<angelicapaganelli@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>So, what kind of emergency do you envision wherein electricity would
>be
>unavailable and yet typewriting would be important? If there's no
>electricity,
>I'm going to be worried about access to food, cash, and gasoline, not
>whether
>I can produce a neatly turned out "Send Help" message.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Wow. I suspected that the message was a leg-pull, but Cindy really nailed
it. I bow to the master!

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TOPIC: clothesline
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Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 3:17 pm
From: P.W. Stynx

On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 02:54:27 -0500, Dan Birchall
<nobody@imaginary-host.danbirchall.com> wrote:

>haaa@noway.net (Stephanie) wrote:
>> VERY approximately how long does it take to dry regular clothes
>> on the line?
>
>Full sun, and a breeze? Probably 2-3 hours. Calm and cloudy, longer.
>Raining, longer.

I mostly agree with Mr. Dan. Now that I live in the Frozen North, drying
time is between 2 and 6 hours, depending on weather.

However, when I used to live in West Texas, it was much shorter, and the
shortest time ever was one day when the temperature was 105, AND there was
a strong breeze. I hung up the clothes on a clothes-line, and by the time
I got to the end, the clothes I hung first were dry. So I went down the
line hanging the clothes, then went down the line UN-hanging the clothes.

Never happened to me again, but it was fun.

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TOPIC: Cottage Cheese - $2.69 for 24 oz. - good deal?
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Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 3:18 pm
From: P.W. Stynx

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:52:26 -0400, "OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote:

> I saw store brand cottage cheese at Kroger for $2.69 a 24 ounce container.
>It seemed kind of high, so I stopped by a Save-A-Lot thinking it might be
>more like $2.30 there. Instead, they had the same exact price.

That actually seems cheap, here in mid-state New York. This is good news
for me, as for the first time ever, it's going to be cheaper for me to make
cottage cheese, then to buy it. So now, I'll finally learn how to make it.

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TOPIC: Compact Flourescent bulbs
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c541905216cc4817?hl=en
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Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 3:19 pm
From: P.W. Stynx

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:41:05 -0400, Russell Patterson <me@privacy.net>
wrote:

>Is anybody getting the life expectancy out of these new bulbs? To me
>they seem to last the same length of time as the regular
>incandescants. For the extra expense they cost I think I am spending
>more.

My first try was with "lights of America", or something like that. Biggest
piece of **** I've ever bought. Burned out almost immediately. Then I
bought others, that seemed to be about 1/2 long-lasting, and half short
lived.

Finally, I bought a case of GE bulbs. I bought a case of 25, and in 3
years, ony 2 have burned out. ( I lost 3 bulbs in total, but only because
I dropped one on a stone floor)

In my experience, they've got the bugs out, and any main brand light will
pay for itself.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 3:19 pm
From: P.W. Stynx

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:42:22 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) wrote:

> What causes CFLs to sometimes die young:
>
>1. If they are bad brands. In general, CFLs do better if they ahevthe
>"Energy Star" logo or if they are one of the "Big 3" major brands
>(Philips, Sylvania, GE).
>
> My experience is that Lights of America has a high rate of very
>premature failure, although that has caused me to largely avoid them since
>2002. They may have improved since.
>
> Also in my experience, $1-$2 CFLs of "dollar store brands" at dollar
>stores are absolute stool specimens. My experience with these include:

Don,
While I don't agree with some of your writing, I think you did us all a
service with an overall well written post. Thank you.

I have only a few addendums/refutations:

1. I agree with you regardng brands. I've had a lot of good luck with GE.

2. Again, I agree. Lights of America flat out suck. I would not take them,
even if they were free. Twice bitten, thrice shy.

3. I understand what you mean about the $1 light bulbs, but have to say
that I picked up 2 cases of GOOD bulbs on a special promotion at a hardware
store. I bought 2 cases of 25 bulbs of GE on sale for $1 per bulb, and
still have 42 bullbs left. Enought for another 20 years, I'm sure.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 4:46 pm
From: terryc

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:41:05 -0400, Russell Patterson wrote:

> Is anybody getting the life expectancy out of these new bulbs?

No, midxed bag.

The best life I've had is some Phillips 100W heavy glass versions (edison
screw) that have been around for a few years and now seem rather dull.

We have all the "labels" for each incandescent thumb tacked inside a
pantry door with the date they were istalled. generlly not ipressed with
the short life (less than a year).

I should really takeit to the next step and start docoing this on the web.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 5:50 pm
From: terryc

On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:47:06 -0400, h wrote:

> ???They cost 3 times as much, but last 6-7 years, as opposed to 6-7 months.

OOOOOHHHH, which brand and where do you get them?
I'd be happy with 6-7 months instead og 6-7 weeks.

> They also use less electricity for the same wattage, so there's a utilities
> savings.

Do you have any comparative figures from your globes.
Did you measure Power Factor?

> Also, they put out less heat, so cooling costs are reduced.
But heating bills are increased.

> The tiny amount of mercury in them is not an issue at all even
> if you break one, which is not exactly easy to do.

Have you tried dropping one?
I low how piles of stuff have mercury trace element warnings
attached. I wonder why it is a problem in those products.

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TOPIC: Buying a used car - Tips
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4d079ed416faa136?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 3:19 pm
From: P.W. Stynx

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:43:06 -0400, Chuckcar <Chuck@nil.kcar> wrote:

>Do what i do look for and buy a kcar. I own a busted up 1981 Plymouth
>Reliant. It worked for me, i know the car has more rust than metal but i
>don't care because i'm one the the biggest cheapskates this world has ever
>known. Happy motoring!!

Free is my favorite 4-letter word, too, but I'm not familiar with the term
"K-car." What does that mean?

Personally, we buy a 10-year-old car every two years, run it into the
ground, then buy another. Way cheaper then buying and maintaining a new
car, IMNSHO.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 4:17 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

P.W. Stynx <tataf4now@readio.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:43:06 -0400, Chuckcar <Chuck@nil.kcar> wrote:
>
>> Do what i do look for and buy a kcar. I own a busted up 1981 Plymouth
>> Reliant. It worked for me, i know the car has more rust than metal
>> but i don't care because i'm one the the biggest cheapskates this
>> world has ever known. Happy motoring!!
>
>
> Free is my favorite 4-letter word, too, but I'm not familiar with the
> term "K-car." What does that mean?

> Personally, we buy a 10-year-old car every two years,
> run it into the ground, then buy another.

How do you manage to run a 10 year old car into the ground in just 2 years ?

> Way cheaper then buying and maintaining a new car, IMNSHO.

Way cheaper to not run it into the ground in just 2 years.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 4:39 pm
From: Vic Smith

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:17:26 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>P.W. Stynx <tataf4now@readio.org> wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:43:06 -0400, Chuckcar <Chuck@nil.kcar> wrote:
>>
>>> Do what i do look for and buy a kcar. I own a busted up 1981 Plymouth
>>> Reliant. It worked for me, i know the car has more rust than metal
>>> but i don't care because i'm one the the biggest cheapskates this
>>> world has ever known. Happy motoring!!
>>
>>
>> Free is my favorite 4-letter word, too, but I'm not familiar with the
>> term "K-car." What does that mean?
>
>> Personally, we buy a 10-year-old car every two years,
>> run it into the ground, then buy another.
>
>How do you manage to run a 10 year old car into the ground in just 2 years ?
>
>> Way cheaper then buying and maintaining a new car, IMNSHO.
>
>Way cheaper to not run it into the ground in just 2 years.
>
I do fine buying 5-7 year old cars and running them about 10 years.
You can find them with 50-70k miles.
If selected right, they need little maintenance, but you have to take
care of them to get the 10 years.
But everybody has different expectations for their cars.

--Vic

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 5:29 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Vic Smith <thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> P.W. Stynx <tataf4now@readio.org> wrote
>>> Chuckcar <Chuck@nil.kcar> wrote

>>>> Do what i do look for and buy a kcar. I own a busted up 1981
>>>> Plymouth Reliant. It worked for me, i know the car has more rust
>>>> than metal but i don't care because i'm one the the biggest
>>>> cheapskates this world has ever known. Happy motoring!!

>>> Free is my favorite 4-letter word, too, but I'm not
>>> familiar with the term "K-car." What does that mean?

>>> Personally, we buy a 10-year-old car every two years,
>>> run it into the ground, then buy another.

>> How do you manage to run a 10 year old car into the ground in just 2 years ?

>>> Way cheaper then buying and maintaining a new car, IMNSHO.

>> Way cheaper to not run it into the ground in just 2 years.

> I do fine buying 5-7 year old cars and running them about 10 years.
> You can find them with 50-70k miles.
> If selected right, they need little maintenance,
> but you have to take care of them to get the 10 years.

Not if you get the right car. My last one lasted 35+ years with
no maintenance at all except when it needed that to be usable.

> But everybody has different expectations for their cars.

They do indeed. Certainly once they are over 15 years old they arent as reliable as say one 5 years old.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 5:54 pm
From: "Brad Naylor"

"P.W. Stynx" <tataf4now@readio.org> wrote in message
news:lv8ha4pv3l7gdlqf4e726qm8rnc0kna5ip@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:43:06 -0400, Chuckcar <Chuck@nil.kcar> wrote:
>
> Free is my favorite 4-letter word, too, but I'm not familiar with the term
> "K-car." What does that mean?

Back in the early 80s or so, Chrysler was in one of its constant flirtations
with bankruptcy, only this time it was really serious. The CEO at the time
was Lee Iacocca and he pleaded with the government to back the company with
loan guarantees until their newest shitbox car, built on a platform code
named 'k', could be built. Those cars came to be known as k-cars and truly
trash they were. But there was enough hype about these cars that lots of
them were bought. Enough so that the government's loan to the company
earned $300 million. There is no end to the gullibility of the American
consumer, it seems.

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TOPIC: Frugal travel tips
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 4:52 pm
From: William Souden

I am very happy staying a lower end places like Motel 6 or Days Inn
as I will only use the room to sleep.

Sometimes you can find cheaper places outside of a major city and
take public transit each day.

Check the shuttle and mass transit options from airports, You can get
from JFK to midtown Manhattan via rail for $12.Bus/subway even cheaper
but ,to me, not worth the hassle.

Got to high end restaurants for lunch. Sometimes the only difference
from dinner is the price.

Try the breakfast buffet at an upscale hotel. You gel all the ambiance
and might not need to eat again until dinner.

Check for daily and weekly transit passes. In New York $22 get
unlimited bus and subway for a week and,best of all, the week starts not
when you but it but when you first use it.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 5:53 pm
From: terryc

On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:07:02 -0400, Shawn Hirn wrote:

> and there are tons of free or inexpensive wi-fi access points in the
> United States and elsewhere around the world,

not in this country there isn't.

> such as public libraries,
> book stores, coffee shops, even McDonalds.

How are Maccas on people just wandering in to use their free wifi without
purchasing anything? TANSTAAFL.

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TOPIC: Earn extra money online from home
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 16 2008 9:20 pm
From: blognite

Hi, if you like to earn extra money online, check out this website to
see what are the best ways to do so without spending any money. You
may be interested to join a few of them. Those are all free to join.

http://urlhawk.com/onlinemoney

These programs are unlikely to make you rich but it is a great
opportunity to earn extra money from home.

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 12:06 am
From: Gordon

ayeshahill@gmail.com wrote in
news:8ccaecd9-6c47-4ec3-8dc7-c4dc5359801b@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:

> Any suggestions - internet data card - Pay as you go Service?
> **********************************************************************
*
> ****
>
> I have 2 questions.
>
> 1. I am in the process of buying a laptop. The laptop does not have a
> slot for an internet datacard to be inserted ...can only accomodate
> a USB device for internet data service. So I will need a service that
> offers the USB device. I am using T mobile (USA) ( US 49.99 per
> month ) now but they do not offer a USB device in lieu of the
> internet data card.
> So I have to find a new service. Any suggestions of an economical
> service ?
>
> 2. Since I hardly use this service - maybe once in 2 months ( for
> about an hour or so ) and have been paying for this service for over 2
> years! What a waste.
> Is there a company in the US that offers this service on a Pay as
> you go basis (AND hopefully also the USB device instead of the Data
> Card ) ?
> This would reduce my expense substantially.
> Any suggestions ?
>
>
> Or can anyone suggest any other economical service / option ?
>
>
> Not being in the technical field and having little knowledge and
> experience of integrating different components, technologies etc I
> would prefer a company/package that makes it simple for me to get the
> service going without pulling my hair out.
>
> Any recommendations would be highly appreciated,
>
> Ayesha Hill
>

Do you really need the Air card service??

Can you get buy with using a Wi-fi hot sot??
That would be the more frugal solution.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 10:07 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article
<8ccaecd9-6c47-4ec3-8dc7-c4dc5359801b@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
ayeshahill@gmail.com wrote:

> Any suggestions - internet data card - Pay as you go Service?
> ***************************************************************************
>
> I have 2 questions.
>
> 1. I am in the process of buying a laptop. The laptop does not have a
> slot for an internet datacard to be inserted ...can only accomodate
> a USB device for internet data service. So I will need a service that
> offers the USB device. I am using T mobile (USA) ( US 49.99 per
> month ) now but they do not offer a USB device in lieu of the
> internet data card.
> So I have to find a new service. Any suggestions of an economical
> service ?
>
> 2. Since I hardly use this service - maybe once in 2 months ( for
> about an hour or so ) and have been paying for this service for over 2
> years! What a waste.
> Is there a company in the US that offers this service on a Pay as
> you go basis (AND hopefully also the USB device instead of the Data
> Card ) ?
> This would reduce my expense substantially.
> Any suggestions ?

Why not just buy a laptop with wi-fi and use that for your occasional
Internet access while on the road? I would be hard pressed to come up
with any new laptop that doesn't have wi-fi capability built in. Finding
a wi-fi hot spot certainly isn't hard these days. Most hotels have them,
and there are tons of free or inexpensive wi-fi access points in the
United States and elsewhere around the world, such as public libraries,
book stores, coffee shops, even McDonalds.

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TOPIC: URGENT - Pls help...pls recommend - laptop purchase
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3677a124728a8cc8?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 1:12 am
From: mirellealqus@yahoo.ca

> irfansm...@gmail.com wrote:
> > URGENT - Pls help...pls recommend - laptop purchase

On Aug 16, 9:27 am, Mirelle <anamin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Buy an Apple laptop.

I own stock in Apple, too.

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because I'm a genius.

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 1:14 am
From: mirellealqus@yahoo.ca

On Aug 16, 5:52 pm, Mirelle <anamin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey, genius, don't has an apostrophe in it.

I recently learned about this apostrophe stuff from one of my
students.

> irfansm...@gmail.com wrote:
> > URGENT - Pls help...pls recommend - laptop purchase

On Aug 16, 9:27 am, Mirelle <anamin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Buy an Apple laptop.

I own stock in Apple, too. For a sliding scale fee, I can also help
out with any Mac problems, because I'm a genius.

ANNOUNCEMENT!

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NO FAGS. Faggots are unnatural, disgusting, and I hate them.
See My space at http://moaningmirelle.blogspot.com/

Fuck zioniSStSS.
Fuck iSSrael!
See ya in class!

4APieceMirelle
(Had A Piece Lately?)

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 1:23 am
From: Mirelle

On Aug 17, 1:14 am, mirelleal...@yahoo.ca wrote:

Forgery by Deborah Sharavi aka Edward Rosen.

Remember this post, rosen/slime:
http://tinyurl.com/577jeg

Deborah Sharavi Oct 11 2004, 11:32 pm

Nonsense. Pallies haul them away to their top restaurants.

Cider-Braised Palestinian Kid

Serves lots of Pallies.

Deborah

http://tinyurl.com/ddkek (8th post)

http://fourthreichisrael.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/this-is-how-violent-zionists-are-zionist-cannibalistic-recipe/

Mirelle

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 1:24 am
From: Mirelle

On Aug 17, 1:12 am, mirelleal...@yahoo.ca wrote:

Forgery by Deborah Sharavi aka Edward Rosen.

Remember this post, rosen/slime:
http://tinyurl.com/577jeg

Deborah Sharavi Oct 11 2004, 11:32 pm

Nonsense. Pallies haul them away to their top restaurants.

Cider-Braised Palestinian Kid

Serves lots of Pallies.

Deborah

http://tinyurl.com/ddkek (8th post)

http://fourthreichisrael.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/this-is-how-violent-zionists-are-zionist-cannibalistic-recipe/

Mirelle

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 2:06 am
From: "Mirelle."

On Aug 17, 1:23 am, Mirelle <anamin...@gmail.com> wrote:
ANNOUNCING.....

Enrollment begins for classes in the art of fellatio, taught by world
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I'm 54 years young last April, I'm HOT, and I've got LOTS of energy!
It's one of the reasons (but only one) my Jew stepson and his Jewish
Princess wife Naomi moved with their baby RBP to KangarooLand. My
other Jew stepson and his wife Michelle avoid me, my real (non-Jew)
son won't talk to me, so I'm counting on you all!

NO FAGS. Faggots are unnatural, disgusting, and I hate them.
See My space at http://moaningmirelle.blogspot.com/

Fuck zioniSStSS.
Fuck iSSrael!
See ya in class!

4APieceMirelle
I am a BIG FAN of Osama bin Laden
(Had A Piece Lately?)

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 2:07 am
From: "Mirelle."

On Aug 17, 1:24 am, Mirelle <anamin...@gmail.com> wrote:
ANNOUNCING.....

Enrollment begins for classes in the art of fellatio, taught by world
renowned fellatrix Vera "Mirelle" Perks of Silverton, BC - that's Me!

NO FAGS. Faggots are unnatural, disgusting, and I hate them.
See My space at http://moaningmirelle.blogspot.com/

Fuck zioniSStSS.
Fuck iSSrael!
See ya in class!

4APieceMirelle
I am a BIG FAN of Osama bin Laden
(Had A Piece Lately?)

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 10:29 am
From: Mirelle

On Aug 17, 2:07 am, "Mirelle." <mirelleha...@yahoo.ca> wrote:

Forgery by Deborah Sharavi aka Edward Rosen.

Remember this post, rosen/slime:
http://tinyurl.com/577jeg
______________________________________________

Deborah Sharavi Oct 11 2004, 11:32 pm

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:17:58 +0200, "Heinrich"

<Heinr...@mailgate.org> wrote:
> As usual, you left out the part about the IDF eating their
> palestinian prey after they kill them.
> It's the reason the dead palestinian
> numbers are so low and the missing count is so high.

Nonsense. Pallies haul them away to their top restaurants.
Cider-Braised Palestinian Kid

Divide the sage leaves into equal portions and dress the kid.
In a large flameproof casserole, melt the fat over a high flame.
Brown the kid in the melted fat, and then remove and reduce the
flame.
Add the onion, carrot and turnip, cover and let simmer for an hour.
Place the kid on vegetables and pour on the cider.
Bring to a boil, add the bouquet garni, cover and transfer to a
medium
oven for 2 hours.
Remove the kid from the casserole and set aside to keep warm.
Strain the liquids in the casserole, pressing down on the vegetables
to squeeze out the liquids.
Place the kid on a warmed serving platter, pour over some of the
juices and sprinkle with the parsley.
Serve the remaining juices separately.

Serves lots of Pallies.

Deborah

http://tinyurl.com/ddkek (8th post)

http://fourthreichisrael.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/this-is-how-violent...

Mirelle

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 10:32 am
From: Mirelle

On Aug 17, 2:06 am, "Mirelle." <mirelleha...@yahoo.ca> wrote:

Forgery by Deborah Sharavi aka Edward Rosen.

Remember this post, rosen/slime:
http://tinyurl.com/577jeg
______________________________________________

Deborah Sharavi Oct 11 2004, 11:32 pm

Nonsense. Pallies haul them away to their top restaurants.
Cider-Braised Palestinian Kid

Divide the sage leaves into equal portions and dress the kid.
In a large flameproof casserole, melt the fat over a high flame.
Brown the kid in the melted fat, and then remove and reduce the
flame.
Add the onion, carrot and turnip, cover and let simmer for an hour.
Place the kid on vegetables and pour on the cider.
Bring to a boil, add the bouquet garni, cover and transfer to a
medium
oven for 2 hours.
Remove the kid from the casserole and set aside to keep warm.
Strain the liquids in the casserole, pressing down on the vegetables
to squeeze out the liquids.
Place the kid on a warmed serving platter, pour over some of the
juices and sprinkle with the parsley.
Serve the remaining juices separately.

Serves lots of Pallies.

Deborah

http://tinyurl.com/ddkek (8th post)

http://fourthreichisrael.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/this-is-how-violent-zionists-are-zionist-cannibalistic-recipe/

Mirelle

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TOPIC: Underlying the pandemic off idiocy in America....
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 1:18 am
From: phil scott

On Aug 16, 8:25 am, "Lou" <lpog...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "ares" <a...@verizon.net> wrote in messagenews:T9qpk.18$UX.9@trnddc03...
>
> > And in addition, yes, I am noticing this and am surprised that not many
> > people seem bothered by it; it's like it's
> > insidious and nobody really realizes what is going on. Many people
> > including myself are having memory problems.
> > A big part of it is fueled by capitalism.
>
> You really think your brain would function better, or any differently, if
> you lived in a different economic system? Which one?

the US may still be among the best...however I do business with others
from around
the world... some nations are a lot more sane than the US by a wide
margin.. Norway comes
to mind. not a lot of others, maybe Japan.

the ambient level of bogus notions will indeed have negative effects
on the population at large... bright
folk though not as much as others.

imo

Phil scott

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 2:23 am
From: "Rod Speed"

phil scott <phil@philscott.net> wrote
> Lou <lpog...@verizon.net> wrote
>> ares <a...@verizon.net> wrote

>>> And in addition, yes, I am noticing this and am surprised
>>> that not many people seem bothered by it; it's like it's
>>> insidious and nobody really realizes what is going on.
>>> Many people including myself are having memory problems.

>>> A big part of it is fueled by capitalism.

>> You really think your brain would function better, or any differently,
>> if you lived in a different economic system? Which one?

> the US may still be among the best...however I do business with
> others from around the world... some nations are a lot more sane
> than the US by a wide margin.. Norway comes to mind.

Have a look at their suicide rate sometime.

> not a lot of others, maybe Japan.

Have a look at what they got up to prior to WW2.

> the ambient level of bogus notions will indeed
> have negative effects on the population at large...

Nope.

> bright folk though not as much as others.

> imo

GHY

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 6:36 am
From: No

On Aug 7, 2:18 pm, jeeppin...@webtv.net (Tommy) wrote:
> I'm curious to know some of your frugal ideals that you started. That
> is up, and running.
>
> TIA, Tommy.

I see several posters commented on coffee. My wife and I make coffee
with a Bunn brand drip coffee maker. We use 3 scoops to make a pot of
coffee. I recently discovered that my wife uses 1 scoop on top of the
previously used (3 scoops) grounds to make the second pot we sometimes
have. I had never noticed the difference. It seems to taste as fresh
as the first pot.
Now can anyone comment on the whether using a timer to shut off all
the power to my Bunn coffee makeer when it isn't being used for
several hours is an efficient means of electricity conservation? A
timer that is heavy enough to handle the wattage of the coffee maker
is rather expensive. I don't know if I'd get payback in a reasonable
amount of time.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 7:34 am
From: "Lou"

"No" <nocode54@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:07eb0b76-e099-4781-a1e3-85eaad6f028d@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 7, 2:18 pm, jeeppin...@webtv.net (Tommy) wrote:
> I'm curious to know some of your frugal ideals that you started. That
> is up, and running.
>
> TIA, Tommy.
>Now can anyone comment on the whether using a timer to shut off all
>the power to my Bunn coffee makeer when it isn't being used for
>several hours is an efficient means of electricity conservation? A
>timer that is heavy enough to handle the wattage of the coffee maker
>is rather expensive. I don't know if I'd get payback in a reasonable
>amount of time.

I don't know if there's a reasonable payback period or not. But it must be
longer than the payback period of simply unplugging the coffee maker when
you're not using it.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 9:02 am
From: "Bob"

"Jean Smith" <go_termite@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:go_termite-594950.20592016082008@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...
> In article <EwApk.20215$4p1.10591@en-nntp-09.dc1.easynews.com>,
> "gregg" <gregg@NOSPAMsaneearth.org> wrote:
>
>> "Jean Smith" <go_termite@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:go_termite-DCAD21.01040716082008@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...
>> > In article <wKjpk.10313$rD2.7050@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
>> > jakdedert <jakdedert@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > The Subaru Forester in the extended family gets 24 MPG and tracks
>> > better
>> > than
>> > my sedan.
>>
>> Hardly fits the SUV mold, ya think?
>
> Sure is. It's a truck that bitch has as to be helped into with an
> headstart and
> a lift of the leash, while the other GSP doesn't think twice.

The Forester is a very nice, safe vehicle, but it is neither an SUV nor a
truck. Nowadays, that type of vehicle's referred to as a crossover.

SUV=Sport Uitlity Vehicle. Originally sold as something which could be
taken off-road. Hence the high center of gravity and stiff suspension which
made it unsafe at highway speeds.

But 'merkans with more money that sense just saw that it was Big, and
appeals to the unthinking lizard-brained mentality.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 9:58 am
From: lily

www.ptstore.cn

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TOPIC: OT: If Rove were a Democrat
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ae10d32ef8da1860?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 10:00 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article
<78447d29-c2e1-4fd9-82d7-b4f03c1a84d3@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
"david7gable@aol.com" <david7gable@aol.com> wrote:

> ...then we'd hear the truth about McCain from the Democrats:
>
> http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/if-rove-were--1.h
> tml

Anyone who is considering voting for McCain should read the following
NYT commentary

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/17/opinion/17rich.html?ex=1219636800&en=3f
49ef96e18caa1c&ei=5070&emc=eta1

http://tinyurl.com/6duwbq

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 10:02 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article
<195af495-2439-4a96-9e66-6baa27338f87@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Steven <etalk@live.co.za> wrote:

> I want to kick of this message by giving some tips on what to look for
> if you want to buy a second hand or used car. All the paragraphs will
> be numbered to make sure you do not miss out on anything.
>
> 1. Reasons for Buying a Car
>
> Besides the obvious reason, that being transportation, just like water
> a car is now considered a necessity in most urban areas. One of the
> reasons to consider when buying a car is if the vehicle being
> purchased is a good deal. Is it in good condition? How long a life
> does it have left? Is it an excellent ride? Does it have a great
> warranty, etc. As we said, it¹s virtually impossible to get along
> without a car and if you can¹t afford a new car, following are some
> basic reasons you should consider when making that all important car
> purchase.

In many urban areas, a car is not a necessity. I know quite a few people
who do quite fine without owning a car.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 1:16 pm
From: "JonquilJan"

I just bought a used car. Live in a rural area and am disabled so need
something for transportation further than the mail box.

The problem was - I have very limited funds. When I talked initially to
the salesman - told him I didn't care what make, model or color it was.
Other than everything needed to make it legal and safe - only needed a
decent heater. A radio would be considered a plus. Other than that,
everything else would be not necessary - and, if included, would not pay
extra for it. I needed something that would get me there and get me back -
and there is seldom more than 20 miles from my home and usually less than 5.

I ended up with a 1981 Mitsubishi Galant with 103,000 miles on it. Took a
friend, who is more knowledgeable about cars, with me to look at what was
offered. And he did ask a lot of questions I wouldn't have thought about.
Also I insisted that the car be taken to my own mechanic to be checked out.
My mechanic sent back a list of things that needed to be corrected. New
front brakes, rear brake drums rotated, new battery, new tires. All of that
was done, car was detailed (would like them to detail my house!) and a
loaner was provided to me while the work was being done. Getting used to
the difference still (had a 1992 Buick Century station wagon before - also
purchased used) but so far (25 days) things seem to be going fine.

If I could just figure out the headlights.

So - when buying a used car - take someone else with you - even if you know
about cars (I don't) they could ask questions that wouldn't come to mind by
yourself. And have a mechanic look at it. Salesmen usually aren't
mechanics - and hidden damage usually can be found by a good mechanic.

JonquilJan

Learn something new every day
As long as you are learning, you are living
When you stop learning, you start dying

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 10:11 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <e64ea4dt2tnceafk82fcdsb0hnnhhg59d7@4ax.com>,
Russell Patterson <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> Is anybody getting the life expectancy out of these new bulbs? To me
> they seem to last the same length of time as the regular
> incandescants. For the extra expense they cost I think I am spending
> more.

Beats me. I have them, but not long enough to see if they meet their
claimed life expectancy. Keep in mind the the biggest savings will be in
electricity and if you shop around, you can find those bulbs pretty
cheap.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 11:35 am
From: chief_thracian@yahoo.com (Chief Thracian)

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:41:05 -0400, Russell Patterson <me@privacy.net>
wrote:

That's correct. CFL's are not only a financial ripoff, they are also
highly toxic, due to the mercury released when broken. Imagine how
many hotels, apt. buildings etc. are now diffused w/mercury particles
via heating and air conditioner ducts, carpets, and so on. Don't think
for a moment that all or most CFL breakage is properly cleaned
up...especially by low paid illegal immigrant workers.

--
The Final Testament
http://www.gay-bible.org

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 12:47 pm
From: "h"

"Chief Thracian" <chief_thracian@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:48a86c9c.7198288@amsterdam.newsgroups-download.com...
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:41:05 -0400, Russell Patterson <me@privacy.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Is anybody getting the life expectancy out of these new bulbs? To me
>>they seem to last the same length of time as the regular
>>incandescants. For the extra expense they cost I think I am spending
>>more.
>
> That's correct. CFL's are not only a financial ripoff

???They cost 3 times as much, but last 6-7 years, as opposed to 6-7 months.
They also use less electricity for the same wattage, so there's a utilities
savings. Also, they put out less heat, so cooling costs are reduced. The
tiny amount of mercury in them is not an issue at all even if you break one,
which is not exactly easy to do. What's the problem?

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 12:45 pm
From: max

In article <48a86c9c.7198288@amsterdam.newsgroups-download.com>,
chief_thracian@yahoo.com (Chief Thracian) wrote:

> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:41:05 -0400, Russell Patterson <me@privacy.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Is anybody getting the life expectancy out of these new bulbs? To me
> >they seem to last the same length of time as the regular
> >incandescants. For the extra expense they cost I think I am spending
> >more.
>
> That's correct. CFL's are not only a financial ripoff, they are also
> highly toxic, due to the mercury released when broken. Imagine how
> many hotels, apt. buildings etc. are now diffused w/mercury particles
> via heating and air conditioner ducts, carpets, and so on. Don't think
> for a moment that all or most CFL breakage is properly cleaned
> up...especially by low paid illegal immigrant workers.

you seem pretty well versed in this topic. How much mercury is inside a
CF (say 13 watt) bulb? Are CF bulbs responsible for contaminating
fish from people throwing them in the water? (the bulbs, not the fish)

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Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 1:53 pm
From: Jason

WD40 is nasty stuff with most plastics. It seems to get inside the plastic and
it disintegrates suddenly and catastrophically at a later date.

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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 16 2008 1:59 pm
From: James

On Aug 16, 4:41 pm, Russell Patterson <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:41:05 -0400, Russell Patterson <m...@privacy.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Is anybody getting the life expectancy out of these new bulbs? To me
> >they seem to last the same length of time as the regular
> >incandescants. For the extra expense they cost I think I am spending
> >more.
>
> One thing I should have mentioned is the bulbs that are not lasting
> are on ceiling fans. It could be the vibrations doing them in. Anyone
> else seeing the same on ceiling fans?

My keep burning out. They either fail completely or else develop
black bands and gets dimmer. I suspect it's because i use the highest
watts they sell. Maybe the low watt ones last longer because they
don't get as hot.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 16 2008 3:47 pm
From: "Twice Retired"

"Russell Patterson" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:goeea4194l9oq4aumgadfa5hjg8hipffsb@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:41:05 -0400, Russell Patterson <me@privacy.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Is anybody getting the life expectancy out of these new bulbs? To me
>>they seem to last the same length of time as the regular
>>incandescants. For the extra expense they cost I think I am spending
>>more.
> One thing I should have mentioned is the bulbs that are not lasting
> are on ceiling fans. It could be the vibrations doing them in. Anyone
> else seeing the same on ceiling fans?

I have 10 CFL's, 5 per fan, in the family room and 8, 4 per fan, in the bar.
No failures in the 3 years they have been in use.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 16 2008 3:56 pm
From: Jeff

Russell Patterson wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:41:05 -0400, Russell Patterson <me@privacy.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Is anybody getting the life expectancy out of these new bulbs? To me
>> they seem to last the same length of time as the regular
>> incandescants. For the extra expense they cost I think I am spending
>> more.
> One thing I should have mentioned is the bulbs that are not lasting
> are on ceiling fans. It could be the vibrations doing them in. Anyone
> else seeing the same on ceiling fans?

My girlfriend has been running CFL's in her ceiling fan and I have a
couple in mine. In two years, no problems. Could be your fan shakes
more, or you are using cheap CFLs.

I'm all CFL here and I think I've just had one burnout in the last 5
+ years. Stay away from all "dollar" store brands, they are notoriously
bad. I get the ones that are rated 7 years or so (that's at 8hrs/day). T

Jeff

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 16 2008 4:42 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In <e64ea4dt2tnceafk82fcdsb0hnnhhg59d7@4ax.com>, Russell Patterson wrote:

My experience is for CFLs to be averaging 4,000-5,000 operating hours
before burnout. Claimed life expectancy is usually 6,000-10,000 hours -
but that is with average runtime of 3 hours per start and 25 degree C (77
F) ambient temperature.

What causes CFLs to sometimes die young:

1. If they are bad brands. In general, CFLs do better if they ahevthe
"Energy Star" logo or if they are one of the "Big 3" major brands
(Philips, Sylvania, GE).

My experience is that Lights of America has a high rate of very
premature failure, although that has caused me to largely avoid them since
2002. They may have improved since.

Also in my experience, $1-$2 CFLs of "dollar store brands" at dollar
stores are absolute stool specimens. My experience with these include:

* Much-above-average rate of premature failure
* Most of the spectacular CFL failures in my experience (burning up
with great smoke output or loud bangs)
* Most of the CFLs malfunctioning in strange ways without
* Mostly having an icy cold bluish "daylight" color
* Some icy cold daylight ones labelled as "soft warm white"
* Significant rate of subpar color rendering properties, especially
with the few that are actually warm white in color
* 100% rate of those with light output claims falling short

2. Frequent on/off duty, such as in motion sensor lights and bathrooms
frequently used for short trips.

3. Overheating - typically in small enclosed fixtures and recessed
downlights, especially with higher wattages. Some CFLs come with
advisories that life will be shortened in ambient temperature above 60
degrees C (140 degrees F). Recessed ceiling fixtures can have ambient
temperature around the ballast housing get that hot with CFLs of wattages
near or over 20 watts.

Philips "Marathon" triple-arch ones are actually specifically rated for
such "heat hellholes" last time I checked, but only for wattages up to
23 watts (what I call "dimmish 100 watt equivalent") and also only for
non-dimmable versions.

Keep in mind that despite being more efficient at producing light than
incandescents, CFLs are also more efficient at producing non-radiant heat
than incandescents. In one experiment I tried, a 42 watt CFL produced
slightly more convected/conducted heat than a 60 watt incandescent. What
CFLs produce less of is infrared - which largely becomes heat in the house
but does so after escaping the light fixture. And CFLs do not survive
heat as well as incandescents do.

4. Where else CFLs largely do not do well:

* Refrigerators (on too little and too short a time to do well, also dim
especially in first minute when at refrigerator temperatures)

* Most closet lights - low ontime makes payback usually anywhere from
slower than a broad market stock index fund to negative as of when it
burns out

Other than that, CFLs have a high rate of doing well!

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 16 2008 5:02 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In <goeea4194l9oq4aumgadfa5hjg8hipffsb@4ax.com>, Russell Patterson wrote:

>One thing I should have mentioned is the bulbs that are not lasting
>are on ceiling fans. It could be the vibrations doing them in. Anyone
>else seeing the same on ceiling fans?

I have seen some indication of reduced life in ceiling fan fixtures.

However, indications to me are not vibrations but heat. Those
flower-shaped downward lamp openings have some significant heat buildup
in the base regions, and the ballast housings of CFLs used there easily
get awfully warm - and the electronics in those things may succumb to the
heat at a time when the CFL is still young.

It appears to me that CFLs of wattage 18 watts or less should overheat
only mildly in ceiling fan fixtures. However, I did have one 13 watt
Sylvania spiral CFL die young in a ceiling fan fixture - in an apartment
that is usually 80 degrees and where I hardly ever use the fan function.

There are actual ceiling fan CFLs. One part of their design is to have
outer bulbs. This eliminates need to screw a CFL into such a tight area
by holding the easy-to-breal fluorescent tubing of a CFL. This is also
part of a general design for having the fluorescent tubing work over a
wide temperature range. The downside is that in this design the tubing
itself runs hot and the mercury amalgam formulation is optimized for
tubing that hot and depending on the outer bulb to get that hot. The
result of that design is being quite dim when started cold and needing a
minute or two to warm up. CFLs with bare tubing are more mildly dim with
a cold start and take less time to warm up to the (lower) temperature at
which they work well.
The "ceiling fan" CFLs are also 9 watt ones - with light output about
that of "better" 40 watt incandescents.
Of these, my experience includes Sylvania (available at Lowes and a few
supermarkets) and N:Vision (available at Home Depot). My experience is
that the N:Vision has a more pleasant warmer color, while the Sylvania is
whiter while also being more-pink-less-yellow than halogen - often looks
good but that design philosophy can appear "harsh" (at least in my
experience). Other than that, Sylvania is one of the "Big 3" major brands
and N:Vision is not. My experience is that *on average* "Big-3" does
better than others. The other 2 of "Big 3" are Philips and GE.
Keep an eye out for the "Energy Star" logo as an indicator of being more
likely to be a generally good product.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 16 2008 5:42 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In <d5c5d70b-5249-4a49-b482-b3077a52ca13@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
James wrote:

>On Aug 16, 4:41 pm, Russell Patterson <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:41:05 -0400, Russell Patterson <m...@privacy.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Is anybody getting the life expectancy out of these new bulbs? To me
>> >they seem to last the same length of time as the regular
>> >incandescants. For the extra expense they cost I think I am spending
>> >more.
>>
>> One thing I should have mentioned is the bulbs that are not lasting
>> are on ceiling fans. It could be the vibrations doing them in. Anyone
>> else seeing the same on ceiling fans?
>
>My keep burning out. They either fail completely or else develop
>black bands and gets dimmer. I suspect it's because i use the highest
>watts they sell. Maybe the low watt ones last longer because they
>don't get as hot.

In many fixtures CFLs of wattages over 23 watts have a high rate of
overheating.

In small enclosed fixtures, ceiling fan fixtures and recessed ceiling
fixtures, it is common for especially heat-surviving 23 watt CFLs (such as
Philips Marathon of triple arch style as opposed to spiral and then only
non-dimmable, as of last time I checked - I may not be up to date here)
to be the main ones above 18 watts to have a high rate of working well in
such heat-buildup fixtures.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 16 2008 7:59 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <e64ea4dt2tnceafk82fcdsb0hnnhhg59d7@4ax.com>,
Russell Patterson <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>Is anybody getting the life expectancy out of these new bulbs? To me
>they seem to last the same length of time as the regular
>incandescants. For the extra expense they cost I think I am spending
>more.

Depends upon the brand. The cheaper ones (purchase price) will not last
as long as the better-quality (and therefore more expensive) ones.

I have a GE enclosed bulb that's been going for at least ten years 24-7
lighting a front porch. I've pretty much given up on any CFs with light
sensors (on at dusk/off at dawn) or with separate ballasts due to poor
reliability. The sensors or ballasts fail before the second bulb.

Gary

--
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Why is it that these days, the words "What idiot" are so frequently
followed by the words "at Microsoft"?

== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 16 2008 2:22 pm
From: clams_casino

Chuckcar wrote:

Heard something today that makes some sense. When buying new it's
usually best to buy a car with high trade-in value (usually a reflection
of good long term reliability). When buying used, consider reliable
cars where trade-in value is poor / where the previous owner is taking
a big hit on depreciation.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 16 2008 2:44 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> Chuckcar wrote:
>
>> Do what i do look for and buy a kcar. I own a busted up 1981 Plymouth
>> Reliant. It worked for me, i know the car has more rust than metal
>> but i don't care because i'm one the the biggest cheapskates this
>> world has ever known. Happy motoring!!

> Heard something today that makes some sense.

Not necessarily.

> When buying new it's usually best to buy a car with high trade-in value

Thats only useful if you plan to trade it in. If you plan to buy new and
keep it until its no longer a viable car, the trade-in value isnt relevant.

> (usually a reflection of good long term reliability).

Nope, more what the market likes.

> When buying used, consider reliable cars where trade-in value is poor / where the previous owner is taking a big hit
> on depreciation.

Depends on whether you plan to trade it in yourself later.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 16 2008 4:38 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Aug 16, 2:22 pm, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> Chuckcar wrote:
> >Do what i do look for and buy a kcar. I own a busted up 1981 Plymouth
> >Reliant. It worked for me, i know the car has more rust than metal but i
> >don't care because i'm one the the biggest cheapskates this world has ever
> >known. Happy motoring!!
>
> Heard something today that makes some sense. When buying new it's
> usually best to buy a car with high trade-in value (usually a reflection
> of good long term reliability). When buying used, consider reliable
> cars where trade-in value is poor / where the previous owner is taking
> a big hit on depreciation.

When I've bought used cars in the past I tended to drive them for 3-4
years...bought cheap to begin with and even with the higher mileage,
still managed to sell it for about the same price I paid. Example: 81
Chev. Luv, paid: $1200, had it for about 3 years, sold it for $1200.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 16 2008 3:30 pm
From: "david7gable@aol.com"

...then we'd hear the truth about McCain from the Democrats:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/if-rove-were--1.html

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 16 2008 3:54 pm
From: Mark

On Aug 15, 11:59 am, Donita Luddington <donil...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:31:40 -0700, Donita Luddington wrote:
> >> when the burner tries to start, do you get a flame or not?
>
> BTW, after I cleaned it, I certainly got a flame (it heated the water) but
> it goes out after a while.
>
> Does that help?

what does a little while mean....20 seconds or 20 minutes?

so agin it is hard to say fomr here,,,is your flame going out because
of lack of fuel or air....or is one of the saftey devices shutting it
off for some reason...

if the flame is good and suddenly goes off it would seem to be a
saftey, if you have a photocell sensor, try cleaning it...

get a book to tell you how to do that...

Mark

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 16 2008 4:34 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Aug 16, 9:27 am, Mirelle <anamin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> irfansm...@gmail.com wrote:
> > URGENT - Pls help...pls recommend - laptop purchase
>
> Buy an Apple laptop.
> The Apple has a Duel processor, so you can use Windows on it or Apple,
> or both. by splitting the screen.
>
> Mirelle
>
I don't believe that's how it works. You install "Parallels" which
lets you install Windows onto the MAC OSX. I don't think you can
install "only" Windows. But you are right that it has the Intel Dual
Core processor.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 16 2008 5:52 pm
From: Mirelle

On Aug 16, 12:02 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mirelle <anamin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > irfansm...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> URGENT - Pls help...pls recommend - laptop purchase
> > Buy an Apple laptop.
> > The Apple has a Duel processor, so you can use Windows on it or Apple,
> > or both. by splitting the screen.

> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you dont have a clue about laptops.

Hey, genius, don't has an apostrophe in it.

http://macwindows.com/

Mirelle
> >> I am in the SF Bay Area, California.
>
> >> My laptop died suddenly so I am in need of a new laptop urgently -
> >> like today if poss.
> >> I cannot wait for more than a week or so for delivery etc.
> >> Windows laptop preferably ( not mac)
>
> >> Please let me know your recommendations for a RELIABLE, Sturdy
> >> laptop...
>
> >> My main requirements are as follows:
> >> ***********************************************
> >> - as fast as poss ( I hate it when it hangs or runs slowly)
> >> - as lightweight as poss
>
> >> The following are the main programs I use
> >> ****************************************************
> >> - gmail, yahoo mail etc
> >> - MS Word, Notepad or pdf doc
> >> - MS Outlook
>
> >> Typically I have about 6 to 7 Mozilla/ Firefox pages open and MS
> >> Outlook and Word or Notepad open - all day - open all at once- at
> >> any point in time.
> >> So I use quite a bit of resources.
>
> >> My Budget is as follows:
> >> ******************************
> >> prefer around US $1000 ( if the laptop is on sale)
>
> >> But could go as high as US $1500 or so
>
> >> Simplicity
> >> ****************
> >> Since I am not a techie, I would prefer a very simple plug and play
> >> laptop.
>
> >> Would like a well known sturdy branded laptop.
> >> ***************************************************
>
> >> Do not need the following
> >> ********************************
> >> I do not need features for games, graphics, entertainment etc. etc.
> >> Just a fast, lightweight sturdy laptop.
>
> >> Would any one pls recommend a laptop based on the above.
> >> Which brand ? What model #? Approx price ? Where to buy it ?
>
> >> Thanks in advance,
>
> >> Irfan Smith

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 16 2008 7:14 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Mirelle <anaminaam@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> Mirelle <anamin...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> irfansm...@gmail.com wrote

>>>> URGENT - Pls help...pls recommend - laptop purchase

>>> Buy an Apple laptop.
>>> The Apple has a Duel processor, so you can use Windows on it or
>>> Apple, or both. by splitting the screen.

>> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you dont have a clue about laptops.

> Hey, genius, don't has an apostrophe in it.

Mine dont, stupid.

> http://macwindows.com/

Doesnt say anything like what you said, most obviously with the way the DUAL processors are used.

>>>> I am in the SF Bay Area, California.
>>
>>>> My laptop died suddenly so I am in need of a new laptop urgently -
>>>> like today if poss.
>>>> I cannot wait for more than a week or so for delivery etc.
>>>> Windows laptop preferably ( not mac)
>>
>>>> Please let me know your recommendations for a RELIABLE, Sturdy
>>>> laptop...
>>
>>>> My main requirements are as follows:
>>>> ***********************************************
>>>> - as fast as poss ( I hate it when it hangs or runs slowly)
>>>> - as lightweight as poss
>>
>>>> The following are the main programs I use
>>>> ****************************************************
>>>> - gmail, yahoo mail etc
>>>> - MS Word, Notepad or pdf doc
>>>> - MS Outlook
>>
>>>> Typically I have about 6 to 7 Mozilla/ Firefox pages open and MS
>>>> Outlook and Word or Notepad open - all day - open all at once- at
>>>> any point in time.
>>>> So I use quite a bit of resources.
>>
>>>> My Budget is as follows:
>>>> ******************************
>>>> prefer around US $1000 ( if the laptop is on sale)
>>
>>>> But could go as high as US $1500 or so
>>
>>>> Simplicity
>>>> ****************
>>>> Since I am not a techie, I would prefer a very simple plug and play
>>>> laptop.
>>
>>>> Would like a well known sturdy branded laptop.
>>>> ***************************************************
>>
>>>> Do not need the following
>>>> ********************************
>>>> I do not need features for games, graphics, entertainment etc. etc.
>>>> Just a fast, lightweight sturdy laptop.
>>
>>>> Would any one pls recommend a laptop based on the above.
>>>> Which brand ? What model #? Approx price ? Where to buy it ?
>>
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>>>> Irfan Smith

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 16 2008 8:41 pm
From: "JR Weiss"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote...
>
>> Hey, genius, don't has an apostrophe in it.
>
> Mine dont, stupid.

Translated: rodless seedless doesn't use an apostrophe because he's too stupid.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 16 2008 5:21 pm
From: wismel@yahoo.com

http://www.davidduke.com/index.php?s=russia&submit=go

Thank goodness White House propaganda mill garbage and the general
media
swill is being rejected.

ted

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 16 2008 6:47 pm
From: NoSpamForMe@LousyISP.gov

I'm trying to arrange my TV reception so that I can get both PBS (Ch
13 in my area) and ABC (Ch7). Other stations are generally OK or
explainably deficient (forty miles away, for example). However for
these two it seems that I can get either one or the other but not both
which is strange since the antenna website shows them as coming from
either the same place or a couple of degrees different. It could be
that ABC is not broadcasting at full power (damn FCC why can't they
check this and levy big fines!) or maybe it's PBS. Either way I want
to exclude my antenna as the problem so I need to be able to
accurately orient it to (e.g.) 338 degrees and 1 degree. Hence I need
a compass but...

This is the digital age isn't it? Of course! That's why I have this
problem. But all the compasses I can find seem to be something out of
the ark. Analog and you'd be hard-pressed to get closer than 10
degrees. I want one that looks like a handgun with the degrees display
where the hammer would be and a trigger switch. Line it up with the
antenna beam, press the trigger button, and it displays the degrees.
Minutes too! How about some accuracy here! Why is this so hard to
find? Maybe I'm using the wrong search terms. Anyone have any
suggestions?

Oh, yeah and while you're at it, can you explain why I can get a 90%
good signal (read out from the converter box) on two stations (not the
ones above) where one has a perfect picture and sound (CBS) and the
other (ION) has lots of pixelization (small blocks in the picture) and
massive drop outs in the sound. These two come from the same place.

Further why am I getting a TV station (29-1) with picture where the
sub carriers (29-2, 29-3,... up to 29-10) seem to be FM radio stations
(no picture)?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 16 2008 7:12 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

NoSpamForMe@LousyISP.gov wrote:

> I'm trying to arrange my TV reception so that I can get both PBS
> (Ch 13 in my area) and ABC (Ch7). Other stations are generally
> OK or explainably deficient (forty miles away, for example).

> However for these two it seems that I can get either one or the
> other but not both which is strange since the antenna website
> shows them as coming from either the same place or a couple
> of degrees different. It could be that ABC is not broadcasting
> at full power (damn FCC why can't they check this and levy
> big fines!) or maybe it's PBS. Either way I want to exclude
> my antenna as the problem so I need to be able to accurately
> orient it to (e.g.) 338 degrees and 1 degree. Hence I need
> a compass but...

> This is the digital age isn't it? Of course! That's why I have this
> problem. But all the compasses I can find seem to be something out of
> the ark. Analog and you'd be hard-pressed to get closer than 10 degrees.

Given the lobes on TV antennas, thats plenty accurate enough.

> I want one that looks like a handgun with the degrees display
> where the hammer would be and a trigger switch. Line it up
> with the antenna beam, press the trigger button, and it displays
> the degrees. Minutes too! How about some accuracy here!

Pointless with TV antennas.

> Why is this so hard to find?

Because no one needs that sort of accuracy anymore.

> Maybe I'm using the wrong search terms. Anyone have any suggestions?

digital compass.

> Oh, yeah and while you're at it, can you explain why I can get a 90%
> good signal (read out from the converter box) on two stations (not the
> ones above) where one has a perfect picture and sound (CBS) and the
> other (ION) has lots of pixelization (small blocks in the picture) and
> massive drop outs in the sound. These two come from the same place.

The two transmitters dont have the same power.

> Further why am I getting a TV station (29-1) with picture where the sub carriers
> (29-2, 29-3,... up to 29-10) seem to be FM radio stations (no picture)?

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 16 2008 6:59 pm
From: Jean Smith

In article <EwApk.20215$4p1.10591@en-nntp-09.dc1.easynews.com>,
"gregg" <gregg@NOSPAMsaneearth.org> wrote:

> "Jean Smith" <go_termite@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:go_termite-DCAD21.01040716082008@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...
> > In article <wKjpk.10313$rD2.7050@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
> > jakdedert <jakdedert@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >
> > The Subaru Forester in the extended family gets 24 MPG and tracks better
> > than
> > my sedan.
>
> Hardly fits the SUV mold, ya think?

Sure is. It's a truck that bitch has as to be helped into with an headstart and
a lift of the leash, while the other GSP doesn't think twice.
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/germanshorthairedpointer.htm
I don't know whether the cage wire above the back seats was original equipment,
but they aren't crowded back there.

On the other hand a friend just got a great deal on a Lincoln sedan from an
estate sale based on the comfort and style rationale. The Chevy extended cab
was losing its luster, as his primary vehicle.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 16 2008 9:20 pm
From: blognite

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These programs are unlikely to make you rich but it is a great
opportunity to earn extra money from home.

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