Frugal Living: Dec 12, 2007

Wednesday, December 12, 2007

25 new messages in 17 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Vornado space heater?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/17dc5f6e0bf6dba0?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 12 2007 12:30 am
From: Jeff

Ken Knecht wrote:
> I've decided to buy a Vornado space heater for my 12 x 12 bedroom. It
> advertises it has superior heat distribution. My current heater isn't
> doing well.
>
> Anyone find out differently? Do they lie!?

Google is your friend:

<URL:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=vornado+heater+review&btnG=Search

<URL:

http://www.consumersearch.com/www/house_and_home/space-heaters/index.html />
We found some conflicting reviews for Vornado Vortex portable heaters.
The Vornado VH2 (*est. $95) and Vornado EH1-0028-06 (also known as the
DVH or DVTH) (*est. $115) are very similar. The main difference is that
the DVH space heater has push-button controls and temperature readout,
while the cheaper VH2 has knob controls. Both have a fan that circulates
heated air (this type of heater is called forced convection). The
Vornado DVH is a favorite at Good Housekeeping magazine, where editors
say it heats a room quickly. However, owners posting comments to
Amazon.com say the Vornado space heaters can be fragile. Some report
breaking handles and knobs; others indicate that the fan stopped
working. Reviews for the more expensive Vornado space heater are better
overall.

I don't know why you are posting here when it's advertising that
sways you.

Jeff

>
> TIA
>

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 12 2007 6:32 am
From: "Chloe"

"Jeff" <dont_bug_me@all.uk> wrote in message
news:13lv71drce7c3ba@corp.supernews.com...
> Ken Knecht wrote:
>> I've decided to buy a Vornado space heater for my 12 x 12 bedroom. It
>> advertises it has superior heat distribution. My current heater isn't
>> doing well.
>>
>> Anyone find out differently? Do they lie!?
>
> Google is your friend:
>
> <URL:
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=vornado+heater+review&btnG=Search

> />
>
>
> <URL:
> http://www.consumersearch.com/www/house_and_home/space-heaters/index.html

> />
> We found some conflicting reviews for Vornado Vortex portable heaters. The
> Vornado VH2 (*est. $95) and Vornado EH1-0028-06 (also known as the DVH or
> DVTH) (*est. $115) are very similar. The main difference is that the DVH
> space heater has push-button controls and temperature readout, while the
> cheaper VH2 has knob controls. Both have a fan that circulates heated air
> (this type of heater is called forced convection). The Vornado DVH is a
> favorite at Good Housekeeping magazine, where editors say it heats a room
> quickly. However, owners posting comments to Amazon.com say the Vornado
> space heaters can be fragile. Some report breaking handles and knobs;
> others indicate that the fan stopped working. Reviews for the more
> expensive Vornado space heater are better overall.

I have an older version of the EH1. I use several months out of the year to
supplement heat in a north-facing 12 X 12 room that's distant from the
furnace. I've found it to be quiet, durable and very efficient.

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TOPIC: hey everyone
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/613bdfc57191e572?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 12 2007 1:10 am
From: neweraweb.jordan@gmail.com

we started a new site, please check it out and support us, thanks!
http://www.megons.com

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TOPIC: Cheap Wholesale D&G Dsquared Shoes, Designers Women's Boots, Lacoste
Trainers, Gino Green Global Jeans-Hoody-Tshirts,,Leather Replica Chanel Gucci
Handbag, Apple Iphone , Nokia N76 Mobile Phone (www.globwholesale.com)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/165ccce6e2ad22ea?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 12 2007 2:11 am
From: globwholesale15@126.com

Dear my friend
It is our pleasure to meet you here.
we are wholesaler sport shoes,clothing,electrons in Fujian of China.
our website: http://www.globwholesale.com
We are professional and honest wholesaler of all kinds of brand
sneaks and apparel.the products
our company supply are as follows:
1).Nike Jordans
Jordan 1 jordan 1.5 jordan 2 jordan 3 jordan 3.5 jordan 4 jordan 5
jordan 5.5 jordan 6 jordan 6.5 jordan 7 jordan 8 jordan 9 jordan 9.5
jordan 10 jordan 11 jordan 12 jordan 13 jordan 13.5 jordan 14 jordan
15 jordan 16 jordan 17 jordan 18 jordan 18.5 jordan 19 jordan 20
jordan 21 jordan 21.5 jordan 22 jordan King jordan Dub Zero Jordan 23
Jordan 7.5
2).Air Force One Air Force one (low) Air Force one (High) Air Force
one (Mid) Air Force one (clear) Air Force One 25 year
3).SHOX Shox R3 Shox R4 Shox R5 Shox TL1 Shox TL2 Shox TL3 Shox NZ
Shox OZ Shox Turbo Show GO Shox CL Shox Coqnescenti Shox Energia Shox
Explodine Shox Monster Shox Rhythmic Shox Warrior
4).Bape Shoes Bape Bape (transparent)
5).Air max AirMax 90 AirMax 95 AirMax 97 AirMax 2003 AirMax 2004
AirMax 2005 Air Max 2006 AirMax 180 AirMax LTD AirMax TN AirMax solas
AirMax 87 AirMax Rift
6).Puma Puma Rpt2 Puma SK6 Puma Jayfi Puma Cir Puma Speed Puma Repli
Puma Future Cat Puma Mostro Puma Lifestyle
7).Dunk SB Dunk High Dunk Low
8).Timberland Timberland High Timberland Low
9).Adidas Adidas 35 Adicolor Country city sense Adidas NBA
11).Prada & Gucci Prada Gucci
12).Footballer Shoes Footballer
13).Locaste
14).converse & Reebok converse Reebok
15).D&G shoes
16).Dsquared2 shoes
17).James shoes
18).Nike King
9).Children shoes Jordan Shox
20).Women shoes Women Jordans Women Shox R3 Women Shox R4 Women
AirMax
95&97 Women AirMax 03&06 Women Dunk Women Shox NZ Women AF1
21).sandal & baboosh Nike Puma Gucci Prada
CLOTHES 1).Bape 2).ED Hardy 3).BBC 4).CLH 5).LRG 6).Artful Dodger
Hoodies 7).GINO GREEN GLOBAL 8).10 Deep 9).A&F Coat 11).Jersey NBA
Jersey Football Jersey 12).Juicy Bikini 13).Adidas Coat 14).F1 Coat
15).D&G Coat 16).Superman Coat 17).NBA Coat
JEAN 1).E&D Jeans 2).BBC Jeans 3).BAPE Jeans 4).D&G Jeans 5).EVSIU
Jeans 6).Red monkey 7).COOGI Jeans
T-shirt 1).POLO 2007 polo(women) 2007 POLO IIII(Men) POLO (stripe)
polo (small )
2).Lacoste Lacoste (LONG) Lacoste (SHORT) 3).Name Brand shirt D&G
Shirt Giorgio Armani TN Shirt 4).BBC T-shirt 5).LRG & gina green
glalal 6).Triumvir 7).ED handy 8).Evsiu 9).R.M.B 10).CLOT
Burse & Handbag 1).LV Bag 2).Gucci Bag 3).Dior Bag 4).Chanel Bag
5).Fendi Bag 6).Coach Bag 7).Burberrys Bag 8).Prada Bag 9).Man
Leisure
Bag 11).D&G bag 12).nike bag 13).Wallet 14).Suitcase
Electronics 1).Vertu Mobile 2).New iphone Mobile 3).Nokia Mobile
4).moto Mobile 5).PSP Game & memory card 6).Sony Mobile 7).Samsung
Mobile 8).Ipod nano 9).Sony PS3 10).Laptops IBM laptops DELL laptops
Sony laptops ASUS laptops
CAP 1).ED Hardy Cap 2).New Bape & NY Cap 3).RMC Cap 4).New era NBA
5).F1 6).Chanel 7).D&G 8).gucci 9).LV 10).Prada 11).PUMA 12).wool
WATCH 1).Rolex 2).Omega 3).Cartier 4).Chanel 5).Piaget 6).Breitling
7).Bvlgari 8).Corum
Sunglasses 1).Gucci Sunglasses 2).D&G Sunglasses 3).Dior Sunglasses
4).LV Sunglasses 5).Chanel Sunglasses 6).Prada Sunglasses 7).Versace
Sunglasses 8).Giorgio Armani
Strap 1).Bape Strap 2).D&G Strap 3).Gucci Strap 4).LV Strap 5).Scarf
Other 1).Lighter

size chart
Men Size:
US: 7 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 13 14 15
UK: 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 12 13 14
EUR: 40 41 42 42.5 43 44 44.5 45 45.5 46 47.5 48 49
Women Size:
US: 5 5.5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5
UK: 2.5 3 3.5 4 4.5 5 5.5 6
EUR: 35.5 36 36.5 37.5 38 38.5 39 40

Kid's
US: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5 13 13.5
UK: 13 1 2 3 4 5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5
EUR:17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 24.5 25 25.5 26 26.5 27 27.5 28 29 30
30.5
31

Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

7.because the space of the website is limited,we can also supply many
other products which be not showed out in our site. if you have the
photos of the products you need , we are pleasure to supply for your
orders.
And our company can supply for our customers ,as follow:
1. top quality.all our products have top quality.
2. most rational price. we offer the most competitive price to you
to
open your market. So today most of our products have sold well in the
America, Europe, Middle East, Southeast Asia etc..
3. safe and fast shipment. As different country you are in, we will
deliver the products to you by different ways and pledge to arrive to
your address 100%.and we will send the products to you within 24h
after we get your payment.
4.many products in stock. We have many products in stock and kinds of
size you need , also include kid's.
5.our credit. If the products can be not delivered to your address as
our reason, we will refund the money you paid.
Hope sincerely to have glad and long term business relationship with
you.
If you are interested in our products and have any problem, welcome
to
contact us.
Please trust us , we will be your best choice !!!

Website : http://www.globwholesale.com
Yahoo ID:globwholesale@yahoo.com.cn
Michael
Fashion Footwear Industrial Co.,Ltd.(Fujian,CHINA)

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TOPIC: Increase Your FICO Score
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/65d32ee83814449c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 12 2007 4:05 am
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TOPIC: The sale of world famous jacket,Jean-COOGI/DG/gino green global /G-Star
and so on
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/aacac5ede5b2b483?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 12 2007 4:22 am
From: jim

Hello

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happy times.
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POLO,
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LouisVuiton , Pada , Chanel , Fendi , Versace , Burberry , MIUMIU ,
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Best regards
Yours sincerely

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TOPIC: Free $15.00 Dale and Thomas Gift Card
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2e5c295f71850f92?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 12 2007 5:01 am
From: "FreebiesPl.us"

Free $15.00 Dale and Thomas Gift Card
http://www.freebiespl.us/?p=313

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TOPIC: coconut milk...what to do with opened can
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/780fcb05fc07769f?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 12 2007 5:13 am
From: Boothbay

I used just a little of it for sweet potato mash recipe. at a loss
what to use the remainder for...any suggestions?

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 12 2007 7:02 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Boothbay" <harri85274@aol.com> wrote in message
news:db1130a4-292d-4b40-b40e-b1fd40112d47@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>I used just a little of it for sweet potato mash recipe. at a loss
> what to use the remainder for...any suggestions?

find a thai recipe that uses it. or just drink it.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 12 2007 8:40 am
From: Dee

Boothbay <harri85274@aol.com> wrote in news:db1130a4-292d-4b40-b40e-
b1fd40112d47@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

> I used just a little of it for sweet potato mash recipe. at a loss
> what to use the remainder for...any suggestions?

I have successfully frozen it and then thawed it later for use in another
recipe.

Dee

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 12 2007 8:43 am
From: James

On Dec 12, 10:02 am, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <der...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> "Boothbay" <harri85...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:db1130a4-292d-4b40-b40e-b1fd40112d47@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> >I used just a little of it for sweet potato mash recipe. at a loss
> > what to use the remainder for...any suggestions?
>
> find a thai recipe that uses it. or just drink it.

Add it to any curry.

James

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 12 2007 10:10 am
From: Goomba38

Boothbay wrote:
> I used just a little of it for sweet potato mash recipe. at a loss
> what to use the remainder for...any suggestions?

Google up a curry recipe or coconut rice.
I've used it in both of those things.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 12 2007 10:27 am
From: "Ian"

Add to a curry to calm it down a bit - make a Korma.

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TOPIC: Only fools support these leeches.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/59a07acaae33c510?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 12 2007 5:18 am
From: Ted

IS : 51% of Mexican "Immigrants" On Welfare

Friday, June 15, 2007 -

WASHINGTON (June 6, 2007) As they debate legalization for illegal
immigrants, Senators would do well to keep in mind the most recent
data on welfare use by the people in question. According to the
Department of Homeland Security, nearly 60% of illegal aliens are from
Mexico and 80% of the total are from Latin America as a whole. A new
Center for Immigration Studies analysis of 2006 Census Bureau data,
which includes legal and illegal immigrants, shows use of welfare by
households headed by Mexican and Latin American immigrants is more
than double that of native households. Among the findings:

51% of all Mexican immigrant households use at least one major welfare
program and 28% use more than one program. - 40% use food assistance,
35% use Medicaid, 6% use cash assistance.
45% of all Latin American immigrant households use at least one
welfare program and 24% use more than one program.
32% use food assistance, 31% use Medicaid, 6% use cash assistance.
20% of native households use at least one welfare program and 11%
multiple programs.
11% use food assistance, 15% use Medicaid, 5% use cash assistance.
Click here to see the original with much more info

ted

http://www.wvwnews.net/

Western Voices World News

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 12 2007 8:40 am
From: "Lt Gen Al E. Gator"

"Ted" <tedorn44@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:431b1ab6-b859-4476-8402-f143288e7ce3@e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> IS : 51% of Mexican "Immigrants" On Welfare
>
> Friday, June 15, 2007 -

yeah, so ?

this is what the corporations who own the republicans wanted,

pay them low wages and have the government provide the rest,

it's like a transfer from the taxpayers to the corporations

this is what happens when you elect criminals

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 12 2007 9:17 am
From: SMS *

Lt Gen Al E. Gator wrote:

> this is what the corporations who own the republicans wanted,
>
> pay them low wages and have the government provide the rest,
>
> it's like a transfer from the taxpayers to the corporations
>
> this is what happens when you elect criminals

It even goes beyond this. One big reason that the federal government
doesn't want to do anything is that while illegals cost the states a lot
of money in health care and education, those that are working with fake
social security numbers are generating big bucks for Social Security,
but they can never claim benefits.

"http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/05immigration.html"

The Social Security Administration even factors this money into their
budget. Right after 9/11 there was a crackdown on the use of fake social
security cards, but the employers and the Republicans went ballistic and
had it stopped. Verifying Social Security numbers is the easiest ways to
stop employers from hiring illegals, which is why the corporations that
higher illegals, and the politicians that they own, are so opposed to it.

The states bear all the costs, the federal government gets the benefits.
I guess you could claim that all Social Security recipients are also
beneficiaries because of that extra money.

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TOPIC: Cheap Shoes Handbag Purses MP3 Clothes Wholesale

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c8c0c328f8105511?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 12 2007 5:19 am
From: globwholesale15@126.com

Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

Website : http://www.globwholesale.com
Yahoo ID:globwholesale@yahoo.com.cn
Michael
Fashion Footwear Industrial Co.,Ltd.(Fujian,CHINA)

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TOPIC: wholesaler sport shoes,clothing,electrons mobile phone (Nokia N95=260
USD)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/fefe42cd7b2c2932?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 12 2007 7:03 am
From: fashion-sky@hotmail.com

Dear my friend
It is our pleasure to meet you here.
we are wholesaler sport shoes,clothing,electrons in Fujian of China.
our website: http://www.fashion-sky.com
We are professional and honest wholesaler of all kinds of brand
sneaks and apparel.the products
our company supply are as follows:
1).Nike Jordans
Jordan 1 jordan 1.5 jordan 2 jordan 3 jordan 3.5 jordan 4 jordan 5
jordan 5.5 jordan 6 jordan 6.5 jordan 7 jordan 8 jordan 9 jordan 9.5
jordan 10 jordan 11 jordan 12 jordan 13 jordan 13.5 jordan 14 jordan
15 jordan 16 jordan 17 jordan 18 jordan 18.5 jordan 19 jordan 20
jordan 21 jordan 21.5 jordan 22 jordan King jordan Dub Zero Jordan 23
Jordan 7.5
2).Air Force One Air Force one (low) Air Force one (High) Air Force
one (Mid) Air Force one (clear) Air Force One 25 year
3).SHOX Shox R3 Shox R4 Shox R5 Shox TL1 Shox TL2 Shox TL3 Shox NZ
Shox OZ Shox Turbo Show GO Shox CL Shox Coqnescenti Shox Energia Shox
Explodine Shox Monster Shox Rhythmic Shox Warrior
4).Bape Shoes Bape Bape (transparent)
5).Air max AirMax 90 AirMax 95 AirMax 97 AirMax 2003 AirMax 2004
AirMax 2005 Air Max 2006 AirMax 180 AirMax LTD AirMax TN AirMax solas
AirMax 87 AirMax Rift
6).Puma Puma Rpt2 Puma SK6 Puma Jayfi Puma Cir Puma Speed Puma Repli
Puma Future Cat Puma Mostro Puma Lifestyle
7).Dunk SB Dunk High Dunk Low
8).Timberland Timberland High Timberland Low
9).Adidas Adidas 35 Adicolor Country city sense Adidas NBA
11).Prada & Gucci Prada Gucci
12).Footballer Shoes Footballer
13).Locaste
14).converse & Reebok converse Reebok
15).D&G shoes
16).Dsquared2 shoes
17).James shoes
18).Nike King
9).Children shoes Jordan Shox
20).Women shoes Women Jordans Women Shox R3 Women Shox R4 Women AirMax
95&97 Women AirMax 03&06 Women Dunk Women Shox NZ Women AF1
21).sandal & baboosh Nike Puma Gucci Prada
CLOTHES 1).Bape 2).ED Hardy 3).BBC 4).CLH 5).LRG 6).Artful Dodger
Hoodies 7).GINO GREEN GLOBAL 8).10 Deep 9).A&F Coat 11).Jersey NBA
Jersey Football Jersey 12).Juicy Bikini 13).Adidas Coat 14).F1 Coat
15).D&G Coat 16).Superman Coat 17).NBA Coat
JEAN 1).E&D Jeans 2).BBC Jeans 3).BAPE Jeans 4).D&G Jeans 5).EVSIU
Jeans 6).Red monkey 7).COOGI Jeans
T-shirt 1).POLO 2007 polo(women) 2007 POLO IIII(Men) POLO (stripe)
polo (small )
2).Lacoste Lacoste (LONG) Lacoste (SHORT) 3).Name Brand shirt D&G
Shirt Giorgio Armani TN Shirt 4).BBC T-shirt 5).LRG & gina green
glalal 6).Triumvir 7).ED handy 8).Evsiu 9).R.M.B 10).CLOT
Burse & Handbag 1).LV Bag 2).Gucci Bag 3).Dior Bag 4).Chanel Bag
5).Fendi Bag 6).Coach Bag 7).Burberrys Bag 8).Prada Bag 9).Man Leisure
Bag 11).D&G bag 12).nike bag 13).Wallet 14).Suitcase
Electronics 1).Vertu Mobile 2).New iphone Mobile 3).Nokia Mobile
4).moto Mobile 5).PSP Game & memory card 6).Sony Mobile 7).Samsung
Mobile 8).Ipod nano 9).Sony PS3 10).Laptops IBM laptops DELL laptops
Sony laptops ASUS laptops
CAP 1).ED Hardy Cap 2).New Bape & NY Cap 3).RMC Cap 4).New era NBA
5).F1 6).Chanel 7).D&G 8).gucci 9).LV 10).Prada 11).PUMA 12).wool
WATCH 1).Rolex 2).Omega 3).Cartier 4).Chanel 5).Piaget 6).Breitling
7).Bvlgari 8).Corum
Sunglasses 1).Gucci Sunglasses 2).D&G Sunglasses 3).Dior Sunglasses
4).LV Sunglasses 5).Chanel Sunglasses 6).Prada Sunglasses 7).Versace
Sunglasses 8).Giorgio Armani
Strap 1).Bape Strap 2).D&G Strap 3).Gucci Strap 4).LV Strap 5).Scarf
Other 1).Lighter

Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

7.because the space of the website is limited,we can also supply many
other products which be not showed out in our site. if you have the
photos of the products you need , we are pleasure to supply for your
orders.
And our company can supply for our customers ,as follow:
1. top quality.all our products have top quality.
2. most rational price. we offer the most competitive price to you to
open your market. So today most of our products have sold well in the
America, Europe, Middle East, Southeast Asia etc..
3. safe and fast shipment. As different country you are in, we will
deliver the products to you by different ways and pledge to arrive to
your address 100%.and we will send the products to you within 24h
after we get your payment.
4.many products in stock. We have many products in stock and kinds of
size you need , also include kid's.
5.our credit. If the products can be not delivered to your address as
our reason, we will refund the money you paid.
Hope sincerely to have glad and long term business relationship with
you.
If you are interested in our products and have any problem, welcome
to
contact us.
Please trust us , we will be your best choice !!!
Website : http://www.fashion-sky.com
MSN and E-mail: fashion-sky@hotmail.com
Yahoo ID:mallinchina@yahoo.com.cn
Michael
Fashion Footwear Industrial Co.,Ltd.(Fujian,CHINA)

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TOPIC: cologne
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b31d94d23a519952?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 12 2007 7:48 am
From: "Bill"

<bob@coolgroups.com> wrote in message
>I was wondering if someone can recommend a cheap cologne for me.
>

The inexpensive stuff is in the aisle with the shaving stuff. Mostly
aftershave, but some inexpensive cologne. (Not in locked display case!)

Note I once stepped onto a high rise building elevator at 7:55 am along with
a bunch of men. ALL of them had on inexpensive cologne or aftershave and WAY
too much! I was a bit hungover from the night before and thought I was going
to lose it....

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TOPIC: Christmas big ritual
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== 1 of 1 ==
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== 1 of 1 ==
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 12 2007 10:27 am
From: TechNoRati

Anyone used the Pure Essentials Free samples? I really like the white
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 12 2007 10:32 am
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TOPIC: Auto insurance
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 12 2007 10:35 am
From: Alpha83

Had an auto insurance question. My friend keeps his 2nd car in the
garage - does not drive it any more. Does he need to have insurance
on that. This is in CA.

Thanks.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 3:03 pm
From: SMS *

rick++ wrote:
> Go to a Target Store (or similar department store) and there
> is a rack of 4-6 prepaid options. They cost about 25 cents a minute
> for low usage and under 10 cents for volume.
> I got one for traveling because payphones are very rare now.
> The phone cost $20 and minimum refill of $15 per quarter.
> That gets me about 20 minutes a month which about what I use
> for travel. You can always buy more.

You just want to watch out for prepaid plans with relatively high
monthly minimums, such as Net10 ($15/month), Verizon InPulse
($30/month), AT&T Go Phone ($8.33/month), Virgin ($5/month), and
Tracfone ($5/month).

Stick with T-Mobile prepaid (83¢/month after the first year), 7-11
SpeakOut ($2.08/month), and PagePlus ($2.50/month).

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TOPIC: Smart Deal on Designer Clothes @ StyleRunway.com
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 3:04 pm
From: seficmista@hotmail.com

On Nov 22, 7:27 pm, "~StyleRunway~" <bertgueva...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We invite you to take your time looking through our site atwww.stylerunway.com
> to buy luxury goods from Europe and the U.S ranges from and exclusive
> labels such as Dolce & Gabbana, Prada, J. Lindeberg, True Religion,
> Rock and Republic, Juicy Couture, Seven for all mankind Jeans and many
> more. Merchandise purchased are from authorized dealers
> only.
> All of us at Style Runway live and breathe fashion. It's our job and
> our passion. With this in mind, feel free to contact us with any
> questions or requests.

Yes, I agree with the dude abouve, I've ordered as well and I tried to
cancel without success seeing as no one answers phone calls or returns
calls. Online help is useless because I seem to be greeted by Jacob
all the time, who keeps telling me the same things repeatedly. I;ve
already contacted my credit card company, and am reporting to
authorities.

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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 3:17 pm
From: Al Bundy

ROBERTMARKMAN@SBCGLOBAL.NET wrote:
> We bought a 2002 Elantra GT, largely because of its generous warranty.
> The car developed charging system problems during the warranty period.
> Auto Zone stores said that the alternator was bad (bad diode pattern).
> Red McCombs, our dealer, said that the car just needed a new battery.
> I replaced the battery and it required a new one after about 13
> months. Auto Zone stores checked the charging system at that time and
> said the alternator was bad, it was putting out 9 amps instead of
> about 13. Red McCombs said there was no problem, that the car was
> performing within Hyundai specifications. I spent a great deal of time
> writing and phoning Hyundai in Calfornia, all to avail.
> The bottom line is not to be taken in by the Hyundai generous
> warranty. It is only as good as the company that stands behind it.
> We're senior citizens who don't feel comfortable driving a vehicle
> that might break down at any time, especially while we're on extended
> road trips. Needless to say, we didn't buy a Hyundai and we didn't buy
> a car from Red McCombs.

Clearly you don't have mechanical knowledge yourself and are not
reporting the facts clearly from Auto Zone either. If the battery
lasted 13 months and there were no other problems along the way, the
charging system is apparently OK. Batteries do go bad. If you were
able to confirm that the charging system was putting out too much
voltage and damaged the battery, that would be another matter. You did
not say that. Also, you would be burning out lights and other items in
the electrical system if that was the case and you didn't state that
either. Your reference to 9 or 13 amps is meaningless in the context
of this post. An alternator could put out 3 to 75 amps or more
depending upon the demand. Again, if the battery lasted 13 months, the
alternator must be keeping up with the demand. If the battery checks
bad, replace it and that should be the end of it. If the charging
system checks out OK at this time and the battery is defective, what
the hell is the dealer supposed to do? You fail to include the
slightest piece of information that would suggest your vehicle would
be unreliable on a trip.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 3:47 pm
From: "ROBERTMARKMAN@SBCGLOBAL.NET"

On Dec 11, 5:17 pm, Al Bundy <MSfort...@mcpmail.com> wrote:
> ROBERTMARK...@SBCGLOBAL.NET wrote:
> > We bought a 2002 Elantra GT, largely because of its generous warranty.
> > The car developed charging system problems during the warranty period.
> > Auto Zone stores said that the alternator was bad (bad diode pattern).
> > Red McCombs, our dealer, said that the car just needed a new battery.
> > I replaced the battery and it required a new one after about 13
> > months. Auto Zone stores checked the charging system at that time and
> > said the alternator was bad, it was putting out 9 amps instead of
> > about 13. Red McCombs said there was no problem, that the car was
> > performing within Hyundai specifications. I spent a great deal of time
> > writing and phoning Hyundai in Calfornia, all to avail.
> > The bottom line is not to be taken in by the Hyundai generous
> > warranty. It is only as good as the company that stands behind it.
> > We're senior citizens who don't feel comfortable driving a vehicle
> > that might break down at any time, especially while we're on extended
> > road trips. Needless to say, we didn't buy a Hyundai and we didn't buy
> > a car from Red McCombs.
>
> Clearly you don't have mechanical knowledge yourself and are not
> reporting the facts clearly from Auto Zone either. If the battery
> lasted 13 months and there were no other problems along the way, the
> charging system is apparently OK. Batteries do go bad. If you were
> able to confirm that the charging system was putting out too much
> voltage and damaged the battery, that would be another matter. You did
> not say that. Also, you would be burning out lights and other items in
> the electrical system if that was the case and you didn't state that
> either. Your reference to 9 or 13 amps is meaningless in the context
> of this post. An alternator could put out 3 to 75 amps or more
> depending upon the demand. Again, if the battery lasted 13 months, the
> alternator must be keeping up with the demand. If the battery checks
> bad, replace it and that should be the end of it. If the charging
> system checks out OK at this time and the battery is defective, what
> the hell is the dealer supposed to do? You fail to include the
> slightest piece of information that would suggest your vehicle would
> be unreliable on a trip.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I replaced the battery in late October 2007. It died with no warning
and wouldn't hold any charge - the car was dead. Since 2 different
Auto Zone stores reported a faulty alternator after testing at
2000rpm's, I have to believe that the new battery will also be knocked
out suddenly and unexpectedly and probably in less than 13 months.
It's no fun driving a car that can konk out at any time. We therefore
use the Hyundai locally to go shopping, etc. We can't trust it out of
town when we are frequently far from home in the middle of the night.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 4:11 pm
From: "catalpa"

"ROBERTMARKMAN@SBCGLOBAL.NET" <ROBERTMARKMAN@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:2dff9a88-b92d-4939-a6ef-b6cef5c395ee@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 11, 5:17 pm, Al Bundy <MSfort...@mcpmail.com> wrote:
>> ROBERTMARK...@SBCGLOBAL.NET wrote:
>> > We bought a 2002 Elantra GT, largely because of its generous warranty.
>> > The car developed charging system problems during the warranty period.
>> > Auto Zone stores said that the alternator was bad (bad diode pattern).
>> > Red McCombs, our dealer, said that the car just needed a new battery.
>> > I replaced the battery and it required a new one after about 13
>> > months. Auto Zone stores checked the charging system at that time and
>> > said the alternator was bad, it was putting out 9 amps instead of
>> > about 13. Red McCombs said there was no problem, that the car was
>> > performing within Hyundai specifications. I spent a great deal of time
>> > writing and phoning Hyundai in Calfornia, all to avail.
>> > The bottom line is not to be taken in by the Hyundai generous
>> > warranty. It is only as good as the company that stands behind it.
>> > We're senior citizens who don't feel comfortable driving a vehicle
>> > that might break down at any time, especially while we're on extended
>> > road trips. Needless to say, we didn't buy a Hyundai and we didn't buy
>> > a car from Red McCombs.
>>
>> Clearly you don't have mechanical knowledge yourself and are not
>> reporting the facts clearly from Auto Zone either. If the battery
>> lasted 13 months and there were no other problems along the way, the
>> charging system is apparently OK. Batteries do go bad. If you were
>> able to confirm that the charging system was putting out too much
>> voltage and damaged the battery, that would be another matter. You did
>> not say that. Also, you would be burning out lights and other items in
>> the electrical system if that was the case and you didn't state that
>> either. Your reference to 9 or 13 amps is meaningless in the context
>> of this post. An alternator could put out 3 to 75 amps or more
>> depending upon the demand. Again, if the battery lasted 13 months, the
>> alternator must be keeping up with the demand. If the battery checks
>> bad, replace it and that should be the end of it. If the charging
>> system checks out OK at this time and the battery is defective, what
>> the hell is the dealer supposed to do? You fail to include the
>> slightest piece of information that would suggest your vehicle would
>> be unreliable on a trip.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I replaced the battery in late October 2007. It died with no warning
> and wouldn't hold any charge - the car was dead. Since 2 different
> Auto Zone stores reported a faulty alternator after testing at
> 2000rpm's, I have to believe that the new battery will also be knocked
> out suddenly and unexpectedly and probably in less than 13 months.
> It's no fun driving a car that can konk out at any time. We therefore
> use the Hyundai locally to go shopping, etc. We can't trust it out of
> town when we are frequently far from home in the middle of the night.

Normally when people are told they have a bad alternator they replace it.
Get a new or rebuilt alternator and your problem will be solved. You can
always get a lawyer and take Hyundai to court over the warranty, but it
probably is not worth the time and effort.

BTW batteries normally die without warning and are most likely to do so in
cold weather.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 6:16 pm
From: "ROBERTMARKMAN@SBCGLOBAL.NET"

On Dec 11, 6:11 pm, "catalpa" <cata...@entertab.org> wrote:
> "ROBERTMARK...@SBCGLOBAL.NET" <ROBERTMARK...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>
> news:2dff9a88-b92d-4939-a6ef-b6cef5c395ee@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 11, 5:17 pm, Al Bundy <MSfort...@mcpmail.com> wrote:
> >> ROBERTMARK...@SBCGLOBAL.NET wrote:
> >> > We bought a 2002 Elantra GT, largely because of its generous warranty.
> >> > The car developed charging system problems during the warranty period.
> >> > Auto Zone stores said that the alternator was bad (bad diode pattern).
> >> > Red McCombs, our dealer, said that the car just needed a new battery.
> >> > I replaced the battery and it required a new one after about 13
> >> > months. Auto Zone stores checked the charging system at that time and
> >> > said the alternator was bad, it was putting out 9 amps instead of
> >> > about 13. Red McCombs said there was no problem, that the car was
> >> > performing within Hyundai specifications. I spent a great deal of time
> >> > writing and phoning Hyundai in Calfornia, all to avail.
> >> > The bottom line is not to be taken in by the Hyundai generous
> >> > warranty. It is only as good as the company that stands behind it.
> >> > We're senior citizens who don't feel comfortable driving a vehicle
> >> > that might break down at any time, especially while we're on extended
> >> > road trips. Needless to say, we didn't buy a Hyundai and we didn't buy
> >> > a car from Red McCombs.
>
> >> Clearly you don't have mechanical knowledge yourself and are not
> >> reporting the facts clearly from Auto Zone either. If the battery
> >> lasted 13 months and there were no other problems along the way, the
> >> charging system is apparently OK. Batteries do go bad. If you were
> >> able to confirm that the charging system was putting out too much
> >> voltage and damaged the battery, that would be another matter. You did
> >> not say that. Also, you would be burning out lights and other items in
> >> the electrical system if that was the case and you didn't state that
> >> either. Your reference to 9 or 13 amps is meaningless in the context
> >> of this post. An alternator could put out 3 to 75 amps or more
> >> depending upon the demand. Again, if the battery lasted 13 months, the
> >> alternator must be keeping up with the demand. If the battery checks
> >> bad, replace it and that should be the end of it. If the charging
> >> system checks out OK at this time and the battery is defective, what
> >> the hell is the dealer supposed to do? You fail to include the
> >> slightest piece of information that would suggest your vehicle would
> >> be unreliable on a trip.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > I replaced the battery in late October 2007. It died with no warning
> > and wouldn't hold any charge - the car was dead. Since 2 different
> > Auto Zone stores reported a faulty alternator after testing at
> > 2000rpm's, I have to believe that the new battery will also be knocked
> > out suddenly and unexpectedly and probably in less than 13 months.
> > It's no fun driving a car that can konk out at any time. We therefore
> > use the Hyundai locally to go shopping, etc. We can't trust it out of
> > town when we are frequently far from home in the middle of the night.
>
> Normally when people are told they have a bad alternator they replace it.
> Get a new or rebuilt alternator and your problem will be solved. You can
> always get a lawyer and take Hyundai to court over the warranty, but it
> probably is not worth the time and effort.
>
> BTW batteries normally die without warning and are most likely to do so in
> cold weather.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I had been hoping that Hyundai would replace the alternator under the
car's warranty. Red McCombs had done a parisitic draw test, discovered
a problem, and had me bring the car back a second time. They did a
second parasitic draw test, said that the readings were worse, but
said that the readings were within Hyundai specifications. Since they
won't replace the alternator and since they insist that there is no
problem, I am reluctant to spend the $600 or $700 that a Hyundai
alternator replacement would cost. In the past I had no idea that
Hyundai parts and labor were so expensive. I guess that this is
another reason to question the purchase of a Hyundai, especially if
Hyundai is reluctant to stand by its warranty. My solution to the
problem, therefore, is to burn out another battery and use the car
locally and in a limited fashion. My wife is driving our new car while
I run the risks with the Hyundai. By the way, we live in South Texas
and it was warm when the last battery had to be replaced.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 6:17 pm
From: Jeff

ROBERTMARKMAN@SBCGLOBAL.NET wrote:

> On Dec 11, 5:17 pm, Al Bundy <MSfort...@mcpmail.com> wrote:
>
>>ROBERTMARK...@SBCGLOBAL.NET wrote:
>>
>>>We bought a 2002 Elantra GT, largely because of its generous warranty.
>>>The car developed charging system problems during the warranty period.
>>>Auto Zone stores said that the alternator was bad (bad diode pattern).
>>>Red McCombs, our dealer, said that the car just needed a new battery.
>>>I replaced the battery and it required a new one after about 13
>>>months. Auto Zone stores checked the charging system at that time and
>>>said the alternator was bad, it was putting out 9 amps instead of
>>>about 13. Red McCombs said there was no problem, that the car was
>>>performing within Hyundai specifications. I spent a great deal of time
>>>writing and phoning Hyundai in Calfornia, all to avail.
>>>The bottom line is not to be taken in by the Hyundai generous
>>>warranty. It is only as good as the company that stands behind it.
>>>We're senior citizens who don't feel comfortable driving a vehicle
>>>that might break down at any time, especially while we're on extended
>>>road trips. Needless to say, we didn't buy a Hyundai and we didn't buy
>>>a car from Red McCombs.
>>
>>Clearly you don't have mechanical knowledge yourself and are not
>>reporting the facts clearly from Auto Zone either. If the battery
>>lasted 13 months and there were no other problems along the way, the
>>charging system is apparently OK. Batteries do go bad. If you were
>>able to confirm that the charging system was putting out too much
>>voltage and damaged the battery, that would be another matter. You did
>>not say that. Also, you would be burning out lights and other items in
>>the electrical system if that was the case and you didn't state that
>>either. Your reference to 9 or 13 amps is meaningless in the context
>>of this post. An alternator could put out 3 to 75 amps or more
>>depending upon the demand. Again, if the battery lasted 13 months, the
>>alternator must be keeping up with the demand. If the battery checks
>>bad, replace it and that should be the end of it. If the charging
>>system checks out OK at this time and the battery is defective, what
>>the hell is the dealer supposed to do? You fail to include the
>>slightest piece of information that would suggest your vehicle would
>>be unreliable on a trip.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
>
>
> I replaced the battery in late October 2007. It died with no warning
> and wouldn't hold any charge - the car was dead. Since 2 different
> Auto Zone stores reported a faulty alternator after testing at
> 2000rpm's,

Have you considered that AutoZone may not be experts at Hyundai
alternators? For that matter, why do you think they are experts at
anything? They do their tests but have little understanding of what
those tests mean.

13 amps is a meaningless figure. Alternators put out far more than
that and 9 amps would be insufficient to even run your headlights.

Perhaps you are buying poor batteries. Last time I bought a value
battery at AutoZone, I asked the counter guy if they had a lot of
returns on them. Turns out they did and I bought a better battery instead.

Batteries can fail suddenly and it is unlikely a failing alternator
would have limped it along for 13 months.

Find someone who actually knows about these things, you should be
looking at voltage, if you want to know if your battery is being
undercharged, not current. You can also look at specific gravity of the
electrolyte.

What the real situation is, is unknown. But you need to stop blindly
believing the sales pitches you hear. Whether it is for Hyundai or AutoZone.

Jeff

I have to believe that the new battery will also be knocked
> out suddenly and unexpectedly and probably in less than 13 months.
> It's no fun driving a car that can konk out at any time. We therefore
> use the Hyundai locally to go shopping, etc. We can't trust it out of
> town when we are frequently far from home in the middle of the night.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 6:39 pm
From: "ROBERTMARKMAN@SBCGLOBAL.NET"

On Dec 11, 8:17 pm, Jeff <dont_bug...@all.uk> wrote:
> ROBERTMARK...@SBCGLOBAL.NET wrote:
> > On Dec 11, 5:17 pm, Al Bundy <MSfort...@mcpmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>ROBERTMARK...@SBCGLOBAL.NET wrote:
>
> >>>We bought a 2002 Elantra GT, largely because of its generous warranty.
> >>>The car developed charging system problems during the warranty period.
> >>>Auto Zone stores said that the alternator was bad (bad diode pattern).
> >>>Red McCombs, our dealer, said that the car just needed a new battery.
> >>>I replaced the battery and it required a new one after about 13
> >>>months. Auto Zone stores checked the charging system at that time and
> >>>said the alternator was bad, it was putting out 9 amps instead of
> >>>about 13. Red McCombs said there was no problem, that the car was
> >>>performing within Hyundai specifications. I spent a great deal of time
> >>>writing and phoning Hyundai in Calfornia, all to avail.
> >>>The bottom line is not to be taken in by the Hyundai generous
> >>>warranty. It is only as good as the company that stands behind it.
> >>>We're senior citizens who don't feel comfortable driving a vehicle
> >>>that might break down at any time, especially while we're on extended
> >>>road trips. Needless to say, we didn't buy a Hyundai and we didn't buy
> >>>a car from Red McCombs.
>
> >>Clearly you don't have mechanical knowledge yourself and are not
> >>reporting the facts clearly from Auto Zone either. If the battery
> >>lasted 13 months and there were no other problems along the way, the
> >>charging system is apparently OK. Batteries do go bad. If you were
> >>able to confirm that the charging system was putting out too much
> >>voltage and damaged the battery, that would be another matter. You did
> >>not say that. Also, you would be burning out lights and other items in
> >>the electrical system if that was the case and you didn't state that
> >>either. Your reference to 9 or 13 amps is meaningless in the context
> >>of this post. An alternator could put out 3 to 75 amps or more
> >>depending upon the demand. Again, if the battery lasted 13 months, the
> >>alternator must be keeping up with the demand. If the battery checks
> >>bad, replace it and that should be the end of it. If the charging
> >>system checks out OK at this time and the battery is defective, what
> >>the hell is the dealer supposed to do? You fail to include the
> >>slightest piece of information that would suggest your vehicle would
> >>be unreliable on a trip.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>- Show quoted text -
>
> > I replaced the battery in late October 2007. It died with no warning
> > and wouldn't hold any charge - the car was dead. Since 2 different
> > Auto Zone stores reported a faulty alternator after testing at
> > 2000rpm's,
>
> Have you considered that AutoZone may not be experts at Hyundai
> alternators? For that matter, why do you think they are experts at
> anything? They do their tests but have little understanding of what
> those tests mean.
>
> 13 amps is a meaningless figure. Alternators put out far more than
> that and 9 amps would be insufficient to even run your headlights.
>
> Perhaps you are buying poor batteries. Last time I bought a value
> battery at AutoZone, I asked the counter guy if they had a lot of
> returns on them. Turns out they did and I bought a better battery instead.
>
> Batteries can fail suddenly and it is unlikely a failing alternator
> would have limped it along for 13 months.
>
> Find someone who actually knows about these things, you should be
> looking at voltage, if you want to know if your battery is being
> undercharged, not current. You can also look at specific gravity of the
> electrolyte.
>
> What the real situation is, is unknown. But you need to stop blindly
> believing the sales pitches you hear. Whether it is for Hyundai or AutoZone.
>
> Jeff
>
> I have to believe that the new battery will also be knocked
>
>
>
> > out suddenly and unexpectedly and probably in less than 13 months.
> > It's no fun driving a car that can konk out at any time. We therefore
> > use the Hyundai locally to go shopping, etc. We can't trust it out of
> > town when we are frequently far from home in the middle of the night.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I certainly believe that the dealer should be more expert at
diagnosing and handling Hyundai problems than Auto Zone. That's why I
trusted the dealer when they told me that all I needed was a new
battery. I paid good money for an Interstate battery and replaced it
recently with another Interstate battery. However, since this
expensive battery was rendered useless after about 13 months, I was
inclined to believe the Auto Zone tests that warned of charging system
problems. The most recent Auto Zone tests, following the installation
of the latest new Interstate battery, continue to show that a new
alternator is needed. The problem appears to be that the battery gets
worn down prematurely. By the way, I certainly don't profess to be a
mechanic or have any degree of mechanical knowledge. That's why I was
attracted to the purchase of a car with such an extended warranty. I
trusted Hyundai and the Red McCombs dealership and feel that I was led
down the garden path. I really don't think that there is anything that
I can do in this situation. I bring this matter to the attention of
others so that they can be more cautious than I was about long-term
warranties and possible lapses in dealer integrity or expertise.
Thanks to you and the others in the group for the chance to voice my
concerns. I now consider this a dead issue.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 7:54 pm
From: Brian Elfert

"ROBERTMARKMAN@SBCGLOBAL.NET" <ROBERTMARKMAN@sbcglobal.net> writes:

>I had been hoping that Hyundai would replace the alternator under the
>car's warranty. Red McCombs had done a parisitic draw test, discovered

Only your bumper to bumper warranty would cover the alternator. The
powertrain warranty would not cover this.

Your 5 year bumper to bumper warranty is probably over 5 years now unless
you bought the car as a leftver 2002 model. Now, maybe you reported this
before your 5 year warranty was up. If your warranty was up you can't
expect them to fix it under warranty.

I don't know how much you drive, but these days a lot of people go over
mileage long before the time is up. I was 2 1/2 years into a 3/26 year
warranty once and the dealer was suprised I wasn't at 36,000 miles
already.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 3:29 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Dec 11, 5:50 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> ProfHenryHiggins wrote:
> > On Dec 11, 9:31 am, "penguin...@gmail.com" <penguin...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Saturday, November 24, 2007
>
> >> REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE
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> >> LUCK!!
>
> > No, the more newsgroups you post in, the faster you lose your credit
> > card
> > and Paypal accounts.
>
> And your internet account.

Just once I'd like to eyeball one of these dopes though. I picture
some fat welfare single mom that spent her last dollar on a Lotto
ticket and is now trying to make money on the Internet. They think of
this as a job, even though it's a non paying job.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 8:14 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

Al Bundy wrote:
> Just once I'd like to eyeball one of these dopes though. I picture
> some fat welfare single mom that spent her last dollar on a Lotto
> ticket and is now trying to make money on the Internet. They think of
> this as a job, even though it's a non paying job.

It's just a rumor, but I've heard that in some countries like Nigeria
there are entire sweat shops generating spam. It really is a job of
sorts.

Anthony

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