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TOPIC: Stretch Mark Removal Demands Patience And Commitment
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 20 2008 11:42 pm
From: cakapgold

Stretch Mark Removal Demands Patience And Commitment

http://tips.susahsenang.com/?p=144
http://tips.susahsenang.com/?p=144

Unless you are Paris Hilton bestowed with a fortune, you should direct
your focus to more natural stretch mark removal methods instead of
laser treatment for stretch marks. The latter is expensive and time
consuming, not mentioning the risk involved in it.

http://tips.susahsenang.com/?p=144
http://tips.susahsenang.com/?p=144

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 21 2008 4:33 am
From: FrouClou

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> Stretch Mark Removal Demands

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TOPIC: Scandalous video reason Divorce Madonna and Ricchi
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Date: Tues, Oct 21 2008 3:40 am
From: krystinacarle@gmail.com

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 21 2008 5:32 am
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TOPIC: Esquire magazine: Why 3 out of 4 White Supremacists Support Barack
Obama
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 21 2008 4:00 am
From: tg

Why White Supremacists Support Barack Obama

How do racists, anti-Semites and all-purpose hate-mongers view the
possibility of America's first black president? Not necessarily the
way you think they would.

By David Peisner

If recent polls are to be believed, white voters favor John McCain
over Barack Obama by nearly ten percentage points, but the McCain and
Obama camps probably haven't factored in the following fact: In an
informal Esquire survey, three out of four white supremacists prefer
Obama, while McCain is the clear favorite among black nationalists.
(Sure, our methodology suffered from an extraordinarily low sample
size -- limited to four white supremacists and one black nationalist
-- but just because it wouldn't fly with Gallup doesn't mean there
ain't a kernel of truth in there.) This is just one of many surprising
views that emerged after we talked to extremists about this historic
electoral showdown between a 46-year-old black man and a 71-year-old
white man.

Tom Metzger

Who: Director, White Aryan Resistance: www.resist.com
Likes: White people, karaoke, environmentalists
Dislikes: Race-mixing, Jews, the federal government, capitalism
Career Highlights: Was Grand Dragon of Ku Klux Klan in the 70s; won
the Democratic primary during his bid for Congress in 1980; appeared
on the episode of Geraldo Rivera's show in 1988 when Rivera's nose was
broken in a brawl.

"The corporations are running things now, so it's not going to make
much difference who's in there, but McCain would be much worse. He's a
warmonger. He's a scary, scary person -- more dangerous than Bush.
Obama, according to his book, Dreams Of My Father, is a racist and I
have no problem with black racists. I've got the quote right here: 'I
found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity
against my mother's white race.' The problem with Obama is he's being
dishonest about his racial views. I'd respect him if he'd just come
out and say, 'Yeah, I'm a black racist.' I don't hate black people. I
just think it's in the best interest of the races to be separated as
much as possible. See, I'm a leftist. I'm not a rightist. I hate the
transnational corporations far more than any black person."

Erich Gliebe

Who: Chairman, National Alliance: www.natvan.com
Likes: Third Reich, the movie Rocky
Dislikes: integration, Jewish-controlled media
Career Highlights: Turning white-power record label, Resistance
Records, into a million-dollar-a-year business juggernaut; an 8-0
record as a professional boxer under the nickname, "The Aryan
Barbarian."

"Obama might be a better candidate for our cause because he's racially
conscious. One of our big things in the National Alliance is to raise
the racial consciousness of our people. Young whites in universities,
they've been stripped of any kind of racial identity. Obama may be a
racist in a positive sense for his people -- that will awaken a lot of
the whites, knock some sense into them. They'll see that non-white
Americans are allowed to be proud of who they are, to be racially
conscious, to talk about their people or their community without being
attacked as being racist. Let's face it, white people aren't going to
fight for their causes, for their kind with a white president. I don't
think McCain even acknowledges that a white race exists. He's all
about granting amnesty to illegal aliens. The fact he wants to keep us
in wars in the Middle East for 100 years, that's not a good thing. I
give Obama credit, he seems to have stuck to his guns as far as
pulling the troops out of Iraq. He's a very intelligent man, an
excellent speaker and has charisma. John McCain offers none of that.
Perhaps the best thing for the white race is to have a black
president. My only problem with Obama is perhaps he's not black
enough."

Ron Edwards

Who: Imperial Wizard, Imperial Klans of America: www.kkkk.net
Likes: Guns, bed sheets, burning crosses
Dislikes: Black people, homosexuals, immigrants
Career Highlights: Sued in 2007 by the Southern Poverty Law Center for
inciting the brutal beating of a Latino teenager; building the IKA
into one of the nation's largest Klan groups by allowing non-
Christians to join.

"Obama, I think he's a piece of shit. I don't care that his mother was
white. I don't think he has enough brains to do anything good. All
he's living off of is the color of his skin to get elected. I don't
think America wants a black president. Most of them are too afraid to
say that they believe the way I believe. They sit around their dinner
table and talk the way I do, but when they get out in public, they
have two faces and show the other face. When people are voting in the
booth privately, they'll vote Republican even if they're a Democrat.
If he wins, I'll laugh. I don't like McCain, but he's the only one I
can vote for. He's against a lot of the things that I'm for. I'm
afraid that he's going to mess with gun laws. But I'm going Republican
and I talked to my guys and most of them are voting for McCain too."

Yahanna

Who: General, Israelite School Of Universal Practical Knowledge
Likes: Segregation
Dislikes: White oppressors, black women, American culture, Muslims,
Christians, Martin Luther King Jr.

Career Highlights: Featured in 1999 BBC program about black
supremacists; his street corner rants in Washington D.C. spurred
changes in the local noise ordinance.

"Finding out Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee for president was
one of the saddest days in black history. Another legacy of black
death is about to begin, just like it began back in the '60s with
probably the greatest traitor to black people in modern-day history,
Martin Luther King. Every black leader that has some form of power has
given black people false hope, when in fact, the closer they get to
the white establishment, the more they become an actual enemy to black
people. Black people need to move away from the establishment and
towards a moral change. As for Obama, first of all, he's not even a
black man in the terms of what real black people consider a black man.
He's of African and white descent. How easily he dismissed his
affiliation with Reverend Wright, was a clear indication that this is
a politician, not a man of any real conviction. The same way he threw
away that Reverend, once he becomes president, he must throw away
black people. He's going to have to harm black people to make white
people satisfied that he's not Reverend Wright's boy. The
disappointment we're going to suffer from him is going to set us back
another fifty years. McCain is definitely the better shot for black
people."

Rocky Suhayda

Who: Chairman, American Nazi Party: www.americannaziparty.com
Likes: Hitler, white people
Dislikes: Jews, immigrants, multinational corporations
Career highlights: Being widely quoted bemoaning in the fact that so
few Aryan-Americans had the cojones of the 9/11 hijackers: "If we were
one-tenth as serious, we might start getting somewhere."

"White people are faced with either a negro or a total nutter who
happens to have a pale face. Personally I'd prefer the negro. National
Socialists are not mindless haters. Here, I see a white man, who is
almost dead, who declares he wants to fight endless wars around the
globe to make the world safe for Judeo-capitalist exploitation, who
supports the invasion of America by illegals -- basically a
continuation of the last eight years of Emperor Bush. Then, we have a
black man, who loves his own kind, belongs to a Black-Nationalist
religion, is married to a black women -- when usually negroes who have
'made it' immediately land a white spouse as a kind of prize -- that's
the kind of negro that I can respect. Any time that a prominent person
embraces their racial heritage in a positive manner, it's good for all
racially minded folks. Besides, America cares nothing for the
interests of the white American worker, while having a love affair
with just about every non-white on planet Earth. It'd be poetic
justice to have a non-white as titular chief over this decaying modern
Sodom and Gomorrah."

http://www.esquire.com/the-side/feature/racists-support-obama-061308

www.davidduke.com
www.stormfront.org
www.vnn.com

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 21 2008 4:35 am
From: Ken Lay

they like it chunky
--
Everybody lies. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney just suck at it.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 21 2008 5:22 am
From: testtest505050@googlemail.com

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 21 2008 6:13 am
From: Tony

Seems you have heard of the phrase *the Bradley effect*. A lot of white
people talk a line of bullshit before the election but when they get to
the polling booth they remember something etched in stone. A whiteman
doesn't vote for a tarbaby. This is the Bradley effect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect

tg wrote:

> Why White Supremacists Support Barack Obama
>
> How do racists, anti-Semites and all-purpose hate-mongers view the
> possibility of America's first black president? Not necessarily the
> way you think they would.
>
> By David Peisner
>
> If recent polls are to be believed, white voters favor John McCain
> over Barack Obama by nearly ten percentage points, but the McCain and
> Obama camps probably haven't factored in the following fact: In an
> informal Esquire survey, three out of four white supremacists prefer
> Obama, while McCain is the clear favorite among black nationalists.
> (Sure, our methodology suffered from an extraordinarily low sample
> size -- limited to four white supremacists and one black nationalist
> -- but just because it wouldn't fly with Gallup doesn't mean there
> ain't a kernel of truth in there.) This is just one of many surprising
> views that emerged after we talked to extremists about this historic
> electoral showdown between a 46-year-old black man and a 71-year-old
> white man.
>
> Tom Metzger
>
> Who: Director, White Aryan Resistance: www.resist.com
> Likes: White people, karaoke, environmentalists
> Dislikes: Race-mixing, Jews, the federal government, capitalism
> Career Highlights: Was Grand Dragon of Ku Klux Klan in the 70s; won
> the Democratic primary during his bid for Congress in 1980; appeared
> on the episode of Geraldo Rivera's show in 1988 when Rivera's nose was
> broken in a brawl.
>
> "The corporations are running things now, so it's not going to make
> much difference who's in there, but McCain would be much worse. He's a
> warmonger. He's a scary, scary person -- more dangerous than Bush.
> Obama, according to his book, Dreams Of My Father, is a racist and I
> have no problem with black racists. I've got the quote right here: 'I
> found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity
> against my mother's white race.' The problem with Obama is he's being
> dishonest about his racial views. I'd respect him if he'd just come
> out and say, 'Yeah, I'm a black racist.' I don't hate black people. I
> just think it's in the best interest of the races to be separated as
> much as possible. See, I'm a leftist. I'm not a rightist. I hate the
> transnational corporations far more than any black person."
>
> Erich Gliebe
>
> Who: Chairman, National Alliance: www.natvan.com
> Likes: Third Reich, the movie Rocky
> Dislikes: integration, Jewish-controlled media
> Career Highlights: Turning white-power record label, Resistance
> Records, into a million-dollar-a-year business juggernaut; an 8-0
> record as a professional boxer under the nickname, "The Aryan
> Barbarian."
>
> "Obama might be a better candidate for our cause because he's racially
> conscious. One of our big things in the National Alliance is to raise
> the racial consciousness of our people. Young whites in universities,
> they've been stripped of any kind of racial identity. Obama may be a
> racist in a positive sense for his people -- that will awaken a lot of
> the whites, knock some sense into them. They'll see that non-white
> Americans are allowed to be proud of who they are, to be racially
> conscious, to talk about their people or their community without being
> attacked as being racist. Let's face it, white people aren't going to
> fight for their causes, for their kind with a white president. I don't
> think McCain even acknowledges that a white race exists. He's all
> about granting amnesty to illegal aliens. The fact he wants to keep us
> in wars in the Middle East for 100 years, that's not a good thing. I
> give Obama credit, he seems to have stuck to his guns as far as
> pulling the troops out of Iraq. He's a very intelligent man, an
> excellent speaker and has charisma. John McCain offers none of that.
> Perhaps the best thing for the white race is to have a black
> president. My only problem with Obama is perhaps he's not black
> enough."
>
> Ron Edwards
>
> Who: Imperial Wizard, Imperial Klans of America: www.kkkk.net
> Likes: Guns, bed sheets, burning crosses
> Dislikes: Black people, homosexuals, immigrants
> Career Highlights: Sued in 2007 by the Southern Poverty Law Center for
> inciting the brutal beating of a Latino teenager; building the IKA
> into one of the nation's largest Klan groups by allowing non-
> Christians to join.
>
> "Obama, I think he's a piece of shit. I don't care that his mother was
> white. I don't think he has enough brains to do anything good. All
> he's living off of is the color of his skin to get elected. I don't
> think America wants a black president. Most of them are too afraid to
> say that they believe the way I believe. They sit around their dinner
> table and talk the way I do, but when they get out in public, they
> have two faces and show the other face. When people are voting in the
> booth privately, they'll vote Republican even if they're a Democrat.
> If he wins, I'll laugh. I don't like McCain, but he's the only one I
> can vote for. He's against a lot of the things that I'm for. I'm
> afraid that he's going to mess with gun laws. But I'm going Republican
> and I talked to my guys and most of them are voting for McCain too."
>
> Yahanna
>
> Who: General, Israelite School Of Universal Practical Knowledge
> Likes: Segregation
> Dislikes: White oppressors, black women, American culture, Muslims,
> Christians, Martin Luther King Jr.
>
> Career Highlights: Featured in 1999 BBC program about black
> supremacists; his street corner rants in Washington D.C. spurred
> changes in the local noise ordinance.
>
> "Finding out Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee for president was
> one of the saddest days in black history. Another legacy of black
> death is about to begin, just like it began back in the '60s with
> probably the greatest traitor to black people in modern-day history,
> Martin Luther King. Every black leader that has some form of power has
> given black people false hope, when in fact, the closer they get to
> the white establishment, the more they become an actual enemy to black
> people. Black people need to move away from the establishment and
> towards a moral change. As for Obama, first of all, he's not even a
> black man in the terms of what real black people consider a black man.
> He's of African and white descent. How easily he dismissed his
> affiliation with Reverend Wright, was a clear indication that this is
> a politician, not a man of any real conviction. The same way he threw
> away that Reverend, once he becomes president, he must throw away
> black people. He's going to have to harm black people to make white
> people satisfied that he's not Reverend Wright's boy. The
> disappointment we're going to suffer from him is going to set us back
> another fifty years. McCain is definitely the better shot for black
> people."
>
> Rocky Suhayda
>
> Who: Chairman, American Nazi Party: www.americannaziparty.com
> Likes: Hitler, white people
> Dislikes: Jews, immigrants, multinational corporations
> Career highlights: Being widely quoted bemoaning in the fact that so
> few Aryan-Americans had the cojones of the 9/11 hijackers: "If we were
> one-tenth as serious, we might start getting somewhere."
>
> "White people are faced with either a negro or a total nutter who
> happens to have a pale face. Personally I'd prefer the negro. National
> Socialists are not mindless haters. Here, I see a white man, who is
> almost dead, who declares he wants to fight endless wars around the
> globe to make the world safe for Judeo-capitalist exploitation, who
> supports the invasion of America by illegals -- basically a
> continuation of the last eight years of Emperor Bush. Then, we have a
> black man, who loves his own kind, belongs to a Black-Nationalist
> religion, is married to a black women -- when usually negroes who have
> 'made it' immediately land a white spouse as a kind of prize -- that's
> the kind of negro that I can respect. Any time that a prominent person
> embraces their racial heritage in a positive manner, it's good for all
> racially minded folks. Besides, America cares nothing for the
> interests of the white American worker, while having a love affair
> with just about every non-white on planet Earth. It'd be poetic
> justice to have a non-white as titular chief over this decaying modern
> Sodom and Gomorrah."
>
> http://www.esquire.com/the-side/feature/racists-support-obama-061308
>
> www.davidduke.com
> www.stormfront.org
> www.vnn.com

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== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 21 2008 6:22 am
From: Tony

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-morrison2-2008oct02,0,5653453.column

Tony wrote:

> Seems you have heard of the phrase *the Bradley effect*. A lot of white
> people talk a line of bullshit before the election but when they get to
> the polling booth they remember something etched in stone. A whiteman
> doesn't vote for a tarbaby. This is the Bradley effect.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect
>
> tg wrote:
>
> > Why White Supremacists Support Barack Obama
> >
> > How do racists, anti-Semites and all-purpose hate-mongers view the
> > possibility of America's first black president? Not necessarily the
> > way you think they would.
> >
> > By David Peisner
> >
> > If recent polls are to be believed, white voters favor John McCain
> > over Barack Obama by nearly ten percentage points, but the McCain and
> > Obama camps probably haven't factored in the following fact: In an
> > informal Esquire survey, three out of four white supremacists prefer
> > Obama, while McCain is the clear favorite among black nationalists.
> > (Sure, our methodology suffered from an extraordinarily low sample
> > size -- limited to four white supremacists and one black nationalist
> > -- but just because it wouldn't fly with Gallup doesn't mean there
> > ain't a kernel of truth in there.) This is just one of many surprising
> > views that emerged after we talked to extremists about this historic
> > electoral showdown between a 46-year-old black man and a 71-year-old
> > white man.
> >
> > Tom Metzger
> >
> > Who: Director, White Aryan Resistance: www.resist.com
> > Likes: White people, karaoke, environmentalists
> > Dislikes: Race-mixing, Jews, the federal government, capitalism
> > Career Highlights: Was Grand Dragon of Ku Klux Klan in the 70s; won
> > the Democratic primary during his bid for Congress in 1980; appeared
> > on the episode of Geraldo Rivera's show in 1988 when Rivera's nose was
> > broken in a brawl.
> >
> > "The corporations are running things now, so it's not going to make
> > much difference who's in there, but McCain would be much worse. He's a
> > warmonger. He's a scary, scary person -- more dangerous than Bush.
> > Obama, according to his book, Dreams Of My Father, is a racist and I
> > have no problem with black racists. I've got the quote right here: 'I
> > found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity
> > against my mother's white race.' The problem with Obama is he's being
> > dishonest about his racial views. I'd respect him if he'd just come
> > out and say, 'Yeah, I'm a black racist.' I don't hate black people. I
> > just think it's in the best interest of the races to be separated as
> > much as possible. See, I'm a leftist. I'm not a rightist. I hate the
> > transnational corporations far more than any black person."
> >
> > Erich Gliebe
> >
> > Who: Chairman, National Alliance: www.natvan.com
> > Likes: Third Reich, the movie Rocky
> > Dislikes: integration, Jewish-controlled media
> > Career Highlights: Turning white-power record label, Resistance
> > Records, into a million-dollar-a-year business juggernaut; an 8-0
> > record as a professional boxer under the nickname, "The Aryan
> > Barbarian."
> >
> > "Obama might be a better candidate for our cause because he's racially
> > conscious. One of our big things in the National Alliance is to raise
> > the racial consciousness of our people. Young whites in universities,
> > they've been stripped of any kind of racial identity. Obama may be a
> > racist in a positive sense for his people -- that will awaken a lot of
> > the whites, knock some sense into them. They'll see that non-white
> > Americans are allowed to be proud of who they are, to be racially
> > conscious, to talk about their people or their community without being
> > attacked as being racist. Let's face it, white people aren't going to
> > fight for their causes, for their kind with a white president. I don't
> > think McCain even acknowledges that a white race exists. He's all
> > about granting amnesty to illegal aliens. The fact he wants to keep us
> > in wars in the Middle East for 100 years, that's not a good thing. I
> > give Obama credit, he seems to have stuck to his guns as far as
> > pulling the troops out of Iraq. He's a very intelligent man, an
> > excellent speaker and has charisma. John McCain offers none of that.
> > Perhaps the best thing for the white race is to have a black
> > president. My only problem with Obama is perhaps he's not black
> > enough."
> >
> > Ron Edwards
> >
> > Who: Imperial Wizard, Imperial Klans of America: www.kkkk.net
> > Likes: Guns, bed sheets, burning crosses
> > Dislikes: Black people, homosexuals, immigrants
> > Career Highlights: Sued in 2007 by the Southern Poverty Law Center for
> > inciting the brutal beating of a Latino teenager; building the IKA
> > into one of the nation's largest Klan groups by allowing non-
> > Christians to join.
> >
> > "Obama, I think he's a piece of shit. I don't care that his mother was
> > white. I don't think he has enough brains to do anything good. All
> > he's living off of is the color of his skin to get elected. I don't
> > think America wants a black president. Most of them are too afraid to
> > say that they believe the way I believe. They sit around their dinner
> > table and talk the way I do, but when they get out in public, they
> > have two faces and show the other face. When people are voting in the
> > booth privately, they'll vote Republican even if they're a Democrat.
> > If he wins, I'll laugh. I don't like McCain, but he's the only one I
> > can vote for. He's against a lot of the things that I'm for. I'm
> > afraid that he's going to mess with gun laws. But I'm going Republican
> > and I talked to my guys and most of them are voting for McCain too."
> >
> > Yahanna
> >
> > Who: General, Israelite School Of Universal Practical Knowledge
> > Likes: Segregation
> > Dislikes: White oppressors, black women, American culture, Muslims,
> > Christians, Martin Luther King Jr.
> >
> > Career Highlights: Featured in 1999 BBC program about black
> > supremacists; his street corner rants in Washington D.C. spurred
> > changes in the local noise ordinance.
> >
> > "Finding out Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee for president was
> > one of the saddest days in black history. Another legacy of black
> > death is about to begin, just like it began back in the '60s with
> > probably the greatest traitor to black people in modern-day history,
> > Martin Luther King. Every black leader that has some form of power has
> > given black people false hope, when in fact, the closer they get to
> > the white establishment, the more they become an actual enemy to black
> > people. Black people need to move away from the establishment and
> > towards a moral change. As for Obama, first of all, he's not even a
> > black man in the terms of what real black people consider a black man.
> > He's of African and white descent. How easily he dismissed his
> > affiliation with Reverend Wright, was a clear indication that this is
> > a politician, not a man of any real conviction. The same way he threw
> > away that Reverend, once he becomes president, he must throw away
> > black people. He's going to have to harm black people to make white
> > people satisfied that he's not Reverend Wright's boy. The
> > disappointment we're going to suffer from him is going to set us back
> > another fifty years. McCain is definitely the better shot for black
> > people."
> >
> > Rocky Suhayda
> >
> > Who: Chairman, American Nazi Party: www.americannaziparty.com
> > Likes: Hitler, white people
> > Dislikes: Jews, immigrants, multinational corporations
> > Career highlights: Being widely quoted bemoaning in the fact that so
> > few Aryan-Americans had the cojones of the 9/11 hijackers: "If we were
> > one-tenth as serious, we might start getting somewhere."
> >
> > "White people are faced with either a negro or a total nutter who
> > happens to have a pale face. Personally I'd prefer the negro. National
> > Socialists are not mindless haters. Here, I see a white man, who is
> > almost dead, who declares he wants to fight endless wars around the
> > globe to make the world safe for Judeo-capitalist exploitation, who
> > supports the invasion of America by illegals -- basically a
> > continuation of the last eight years of Emperor Bush. Then, we have a
> > black man, who loves his own kind, belongs to a Black-Nationalist
> > religion, is married to a black women -- when usually negroes who have
> > 'made it' immediately land a white spouse as a kind of prize -- that's
> > the kind of negro that I can respect. Any time that a prominent person
> > embraces their racial heritage in a positive manner, it's good for all
> > racially minded folks. Besides, America cares nothing for the
> > interests of the white American worker, while having a love affair
> > with just about every non-white on planet Earth. It'd be poetic
> > justice to have a non-white as titular chief over this decaying modern
> > Sodom and Gomorrah."
> >
> > http://www.esquire.com/the-side/feature/racists-support-obama-061308
> >
> > www.davidduke.com
> > www.stormfront.org
> > www.vnn.com
>
> --
> The Grandmaster of the CyberFROG
>
> Come get your ticket to CyberFROG city
>
> No, I just decided not to play your silly game is all. *Some* of us know
> proper manners
>
> Very few. I used to take calls from *rank* noobs,
>
> Hamster isn't a newsreader it's a mistake!
>
> El-Gonzo Jackson FROGS both me and Chuckcar
>
> Using my technical prowess and computer abilities to answer questions
> beyond the realm of understandability
>
> Regards Tony... Making usenet better for everyone everyday

--
The Grandmaster of the CyberFROG

Come get your ticket to CyberFROG city

No, I just decided not to play your silly game is all. *Some* of us know
proper manners

Very few. I used to take calls from *rank* noobs,

Hamster isn't a newsreader it's a mistake!

El-Gonzo Jackson FROGS both me and Chuckcar

Using my technical prowess and computer abilities to answer questions beyond
the realm of understandability

Regards Tony... Making usenet better for everyone everyday

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TOPIC: Math on the bailout...
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3213ff522966e10e?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 21 2008 5:49 am
From: eatshit@yourass.com

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:37:42 -0400, Jim <jim@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>all things of this earth shall fade and pass. there is one
>exception and that is the love for you God Himself has given
>through the work of His Son. this love is always steady always
>constant and always there for each and everyone of us.
>
>receive the greatest wealth, receive the everlasting wealth of
>salvation, receive the free gift of the Father.
>
>Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith;
>and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
>Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

**** FUCK JESUS CHRIST ****

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 21 2008 11:37 am
From: "Rod Speed"

eatshit@yourass.com wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:37:42 -0400, Jim <jim@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> all things of this earth shall fade and pass. there is one
>> exception and that is the love for you God Himself has given
>> through the work of His Son. this love is always steady always
>> constant and always there for each and everyone of us.
>>
>> receive the greatest wealth, receive the everlasting wealth of
>> salvation, receive the free gift of the Father.
>>
>> Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith;
>> and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
>> Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
>
> **** FUCK JESUS CHRIST ****

No thanks, not into necrophilia, I leave that to the likes of you.

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TOPIC: Angie's List
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d997f6756284c131?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 21 2008 8:16 am
From: Seerialmom

On Oct 20, 10:35 pm, "L Vetter" <lpvet...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Seerialmom wrote:
>
> <snipped>
>
> I'd like to know who others in my area used for roofing and whether
> they felt the company was good work and price wise.
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> If you live in the Mpls/St. Paul area, I can give you the name of a roofing
> company that does excellent work at a very reasonable price.
>
> Loren

Thanks Loren...I appreciate the thought but I'm on the left coast :)
I figured I'd stick with some long time companies in the area
(including one that has the same last name as mine, it's unique so I
chose them mainly for novelties sake). What I find odd is that
there's plenty of reviews for "stuff" like electronics and other
household gadgets on sites like epinions.com and also websites that
have "space" for reviews but they rarely have any. One thing that
might be preventing these reviews is having to create an account to
log on? Angie's List did quite a bit of marketing so it's more well
known I suppose. I just don't care for the "paid account" requirement
to post reviews.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 21 2008 12:00 pm
From: Vic Smith

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:52:46 -0700 (PDT), Seerialmom
<seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Oct 20, 3:58 pm, "Rick" <rt...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Is there a service comporable to Angie's List that's free?
>>
>> Thanks, Rick
>
>Sort of. ServiceMagic.com was something I looked into a while back;
>but I don't think they have just lists of contractors to look through
>for ratings. As I recall you spell out the work you want done and get
>some bids; you can then look at the ratings of those who have
>replied. I also tried to see if perhaps the forums on Craigslist
>might have something similar but it doesn't look like it. Too bad;
>I'd like to know who others in my area used for roofing and whether
>they felt the company was good work and price wise.

I used servicemagic to find the guy who fixed my furnace.
I didn't even notice the reviews before I had him come in, but they're
there.
Still working on getting my good review for him in there.
I had done the review on the site before they sent the linked e-mail
to do the review, The review process isn't too user friendly if you
jump the gun, as I did because it all happened very fast.
I probably should have waited for the linked e-mail that asked me to
do the rating.
Your post prompted me to use the link on the first e-mail servicemagic
sent me, to find the reviews. Mine isn't there, so I've asked them
for help getting it in there.
Here's how servicemagic works - or did for me.
You fill in a basic form, including your zip and phone number.
It returns 3 contractors, with their contact info.
I didn't notice a way to look at the reviews right then.
Shortly thereafter you get an e-mail with a "Project Guide" link.
Following that link will allow you to read the customer reviews of
the 3 contractors. You check a "rate" box under the contractor and
click on his name to see the reviews.
Pretty good really. The reviews aren't verifiable as if a neighbor
gave the recommendation, but they seem genuine. Didn't see enough of
them to be sure though.
But here's how the process actually worked for me.
The initial web form barely came back with the 3 contractors, and the
phone rang. Since the guy didn't immediately make clear his business,
my wife guessed it was a spam call, and got rid of him, telling him
nobody was home and try a bit later.
As soon as she hung up the second guy called, and she yelled down the
stairs at me, "Hey, are you expecting furnace guys to call here?"
Hell, I was still looking at the returned e-form. I thought it was my
kids calling.
So I talked to second guy and scheduled him to come out the next day.
He worked out real good.
The first guy called back in half an hour, and I told him flat out
what happened, and recommended he make sure he identify himself right
off when calling. That's life.
The third contractor never called.
Anyway, the furnace was already fixed before I even noticed the e-mail
with the "Project Guide" link.
Probably came about the same time the contractors were calling me.
I asked the guy who did my work, and he said he gets a text message
from servicemagic with the customer's phone number as soon as the web
form is completed. Automation is all over the place.
So you might have to put the contractors off until you get a chance
to read the reviews. I didn't see any way to delay them calling.
Servicemagic seems a pretty good option to get contractor reviews,
but you should expect calls.
If I knew about the reviews I would have just told these guys I'd call
them back after reading the reviews. Not a big deal.
You should be able to get local roofer reviews using servicemagic.
Probably won't get price until the roofer comes out and bid on the
job, but the reviews might guide you on who you have bid on the job.
I want to make clear I'm not endorsing servicemagic, because I just
don't know enough about it.
But I'll probably use them next time a contractor is called for and I
don't have a good lead. Better than throwing darts at a phone book.
Personally I prefer word-of-mouth recommendations, but they're not
foolproof either.
I had my roof done about 5 years ago, and I got the roofer by getting
his card as his crew was doing a job a couple miles from my house.
I asked if he had local references and he asked me how many I wanted.
I didn't bother checking any, as I trusted him and his price was in
the ballpark. Worked out well.
About a year later a guy I worked with and who lived not far from me
told me about the hassle he was having getting this SOB roofer out to
fix something that was screwed up from the roofing job.
Turned out to be my roofer!
My workmate has a split level, while I have a ranch.
Maybe the guy has trouble doing gullleys. Or maybe not.
Most things aren't as clear cut as we want.

--Vic

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TOPIC: Putian City Chengxiang District CiCi Trade Co., Ltd (Wholesale world
famous brand)8-35USD
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3ccf456a36070e32?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 21 2008 8:18 am
From: cicitrade01@yahoo.cn

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EUR: 35.5 36 36.5 37.5 38 38.5 39 40

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TOPIC: Solar window coverings, again
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e84b0011de70feec?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 21 2008 8:58 am
From: turtlelover

Back in July, there was a discussion about how to insulate windows against the cold.

Now that fall weather has arrived, has anyone tried the solar blankets or the Carol Wright "solar curtains?"

We caulked around the outside of our windows in the summer, and have done so for the inside recently. Still cold.

Thanks for any insight,
Turtlelvoer

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 21 2008 10:54 am
From: Jeff

turtlelover wrote:
> Back in July, there was a discussion about how to insulate windows
> against the cold.
>
> Now that fall weather has arrived, has anyone tried the solar blankets
> or the Carol Wright "solar curtains?"

I think that will be most effective against solar heat gain. That may
be a mixed bag at keeping the room warm. At least that's the case with a
friend who has metallic curtains.

I've been using bubble wrap on windows that benefit from solar gain,
reflectic (foiled bubble wrap) or polyisocyanuraturate sheets cut to fit
in windows I don't look out. On some, I've even just stuffed in some
more conventional insulation.

On windows I need to look out of I've made some interior "storm
windows" out of vinyl shower curtain liner. Transparent and durable.

All this has made a huge improvement in heat loss, but it may not be
aesthetically satisfactory to some (or most).

I have an old house though, and a lot of windows, so I needed to do
something.

Jeff
>
> We caulked around the outside of our windows in the summer, and have
> done so for the inside recently. Still cold.
>
>
> Thanks for any insight,
> Turtlelvoer

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 21 2008 11:20 am
From: James

On Oct 21, 1:54 pm, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
> turtlelover wrote:
> > Back in July, there was a discussion about how to insulate windows
> > against the cold.
>
> > Now that fall weather has arrived, has anyone tried the solar blankets
> > or the Carol Wright "solar curtains?"
>
> I think that will be most effective against solar heat gain. That may
> be a mixed bag at keeping the room warm. At least that's the case with a
> friend who has metallic curtains.
>
> I've been using bubble wrap on windows that benefit from solar gain,
> reflectic (foiled bubble wrap) or polyisocyanuraturate sheets cut to fit
> in windows I don't look out. On some, I've even just stuffed in some
> more conventional insulation.
>
> On windows I need to look out of I've made some interior "storm
> windows" out of vinyl shower curtain liner. Transparent and durable.
>
> All this has made a huge improvement in heat loss, but it may not be
> aesthetically satisfactory to some (or most).
>
> I have an old house though, and a lot of windows, so I needed to do
> something.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
> > We caulked around the outside of our windows in the summer, and have
> > done so for the inside recently. Still cold.
>
> > Thanks for any insight,
> > Turtlelvoer- Hide quoted text -

I'm looking at magnetic storm windows.

You can do it yourself, with a kit. You install a metal strip around
the window, buy plexiglas cut to fit and install magnetic molding
around the plexiglas. The magentic fit should keep it airtight, and
the plexiglas itself has better thermal resistance than glass.
Magnetite is what I am looking at.

James

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TOPIC: Fiber Arts & Animals Festival - Shearing Demonstration
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/18b0bd3c41465947?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 21 2008 9:21 am
From: Rick

Hello group,

We're excited to announce we have booked a shearing demonstration for
our October 3 & 4, 2009 Fiber Arts & Animals Festival
( www.FiberArtFest.com ) in Marshall, Michigan. About every hour or
so over the two day event, we will be shearing one of our Icelandic
sheep and letting people see how it is done. Combined with our Art
Quilt Exhibit, Sheep-to-Shawl demonstration and planned Fiber Art
classes, our little festival is growing steadily.

I hope to see you there!

Regards,

Rick Boesen
Olivet, Michigan
www.FiberArtFest.com
www.QuesoCabezaFarm.com

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TOPIC: Over 1 million cribs recalled due to suffocation and entrapment hazards
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6b8d066b405a6bbf?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 21 2008 10:00 am
From: ultimauw@live.com

http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml09/09017.html

http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml09/09016.html

http://consumerist.com/5066387/1585000-cribs-recalled-due-to-entrapment-and-suffocation-hazards

1,585,000 Cribs Recalled Due To Entrapment And Suffocation Hazards

If you own a crib made by Delta, you'll want to check the model number
to see if it is included in two massive recalls announced by the CPSC
today. None of the cribs are currently being sold in stores, but were
available from major retailers including Walmart, Kmart and Target.com
from January 1995 through September 2007 for about $100.

The recalls involve two types of cribs. The first is for 600,000 drop
side cribs. The CPSC says that the crib's drop side can detach when
the spring peg is not engaged, which can cause an entrapment and
suffocation risk to infants and toddlers. One death has been reported.

The second is for 985,000 cribs that can be put together without the
safety pegs. "CPSC staff is aware of a death of an 8-month-old child
who became entrapped and suffocated when the drop side of the crib
detached in a reassembled crib where the safety pegs were not
installed. CPSC is also aware of two entrapments and nine
disengagement incidents in cribs where the safety pegs were missing."

A full list of the model numbers affected by the recall can be found
at the links below. To get your repair kit, contact Delta at (800)
816-5304 anytime after 5 pm today or log on www.cribrecallcenter.com
to order the free repair kit.

Infant Death Prompts Recall to Repair 985,000 Delta Enterprise Drop
Side Cribs; Missing Safety Pegs Can Cause Entrapment and Suffocation
Hazards
Infant Death Prompts Recall To Repair 600,000 Drop Side Cribs By Delta
Enterprise; Spring Peg Failure Can Cause Entrapment and Suffocation
Hazards [CPSC]

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TOPIC: In these economic times, a new comic strip I'd LIKE to see....
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ea6c6c7b9d67c81b?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 21 2008 11:31 am
From: lenona321@yahoo.com

(I posted this in rec.arts.comics.strips)

.....is a strip where the kid doesn't get an allowance, he/she has to
do EXTRA chores, after the regular share of chores has been done, if
money is desired.

What's so shocking about that, even when times are prosperous? That's
how the adult world works, after all - you only get paid to do someone
else's work. Just because most American parents don't do that doesn't
mean it's a bad idea. After all, kids could always refuse to do the
extra chores, and whenever they want money, they could earn as much as
they want - albeit slowly. Whereas with an allowance, lazy kids fall
into the habit of spending it and then moping helplessly for a week
while they wait for the next "payment."

Granted, the mothers in "Stone Soup" or "Heart of the City" would be
likely candidates for imposing the former system, but I've yet to see
them say "you want it, you earn it" more than, say, once a year. Not
to mention I thought it was outrageous when, in "Zits," (I think it
was in the book "Jeremy & Mom") Connie Duncan bursts in and starts
yelling at Jeremy about his cell phone/texting bill and Jeremy simply
nods gravely at the right times without mentally hearing a word, since
he knows she'll calm down and hug him eventually. Did it ever occur to
Connie that none of this would happen if HE had to work and pay for
every little personal luxury that can easily get out of control? I
think there could be plenty of humorous situations under those rules,
whether or not other parents start to follow suit, because Jeremy and
friends can always grouse to each other, after all. Besides, if the
kid doesn't like the parental pay rate, there are always the minimum-
wage jobs out there to apply for.

(I then explained who Amy Dacyczyn is, the book she wrote, and how
she said: "If my kids don't want it something enough to work for it,
why should I?" and "Kids take better care of things when they earn
them; they understand that trinket X = Y hours of work (many adults
don't); and they are happier knowing that they can earn more money
whenever they please instead of waiting for allowances and
birthdays.")

Lenona.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 21 2008 11:46 am
From: "Rod Speed"

lenona321@yahoo.com wrote:
> (I posted this in rec.arts.comics.strips)

> .....is a strip where the kid doesn't get an allowance, he/she has to do EXTRA
> chores, after the regular share of chores has been done, if money is desired.

Dont forget who will be picking your nursing home.

> What's so shocking about that, even when times are prosperous?

The sort of nursing home that that approach will produce.

> That's how the adult world works, after all

No it isnt.

> - you only get paid to do someone else's work.

I get paid for the use of my money.

> Just because most American parents don't do that doesn't mean
> it's a bad idea. After all, kids could always refuse to do the extra
> chores, and whenever they want money, they could earn as much
> as they want - albeit slowly. Whereas with an allowance, lazy kids
> fall into the habit of spending it and then moping helplessly for a
> week while they wait for the next "payment."

Much better to put them down the coal mines.

> Granted, the mothers in "Stone Soup" or "Heart of the City" would be
> likely candidates for imposing the former system, but I've yet to see
> them say "you want it, you earn it" more than, say, once a year. Not
> to mention I thought it was outrageous when, in "Zits," (I think it
> was in the book "Jeremy & Mom") Connie Duncan bursts in and starts
> yelling at Jeremy about his cell phone/texting bill and Jeremy simply
> nods gravely at the right times without mentally hearing a word, since
> he knows she'll calm down and hug him eventually. Did it ever occur
> to Connie that none of this would happen if HE had to work and pay
> for every little personal luxury that can easily get out of control?

Plenty still have the same problem when they do get to work and pay for everything.

> I think there could be plenty of humorous situations under those
> rules, whether or not other parents start to follow suit, because
> Jeremy and friends can always grouse to each other, after all.

You wont be laughing when he picks the nursing home.

> Besides, if the kid doesn't like the parental pay rate, there
> are always the minimum- wage jobs out there to apply for.

And the coal mines.

> (I then explained who Amy Dacyczyn is, the book she wrote, and
> how she said: "If my kids don't want it something enough to work for
> it, why should I?" and "Kids take better care of things when they earn
> them; they understand that trinket X = Y hours of work (many adults
> don't); and they are happier knowing that they can earn more money
> whenever they please instead of waiting for allowances and birthdays.")

Specially in the coal mines.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 21 2008 12:08 pm
From: lenona321@yahoo.com

On Oct 21, 2:46 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> lenona...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Granted, the mothers in "Stone Soup" or "Heart of the City" would be
> > likely candidates for imposing the former system, but I've yet to see
> > them say "you want it, you earn it" more than, say, once a year. Not
> > to mention I thought it was outrageous when, in "Zits," (I think it
> > was in the book "Jeremy & Mom") Connie Duncan bursts in and starts
> > yelling at Jeremy about his cell phone/texting bill and Jeremy simply
> > nods gravely at the right times without mentally hearing a word, since
> > he knows she'll calm down and hug him eventually. Did it ever occur
> > to Connie that none of this would happen if HE had to work and pay
> > for every little personal luxury that can easily get out of control?
>
> Plenty still have the same problem when they do get to work and pay for everything.
>

I don't follow. Are you saying that many teens can't control their
spending even when they work for all their money? Maybe. However, at
least Connie would have no cause to yell at Jeremy if it were HIS
earned money we were talking about - but in that strip, she was
yelling clearly because the bill was going to her and Dad.

Lenona.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 21 2008 1:20 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

lenona321@yahoo.com wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> lenona...@yahoo.com wrote

>>> Granted, the mothers in "Stone Soup" or "Heart of the City" would be
>>> likely candidates for imposing the former system, but I've yet to
>>> see them say "you want it, you earn it" more than, say, once a
>>> year. Not to mention I thought it was outrageous when, in "Zits,"
>>> (I think it was in the book "Jeremy & Mom") Connie Duncan bursts in
>>> and starts yelling at Jeremy about his cell phone/texting bill and
>>> Jeremy simply nods gravely at the right times without mentally
>>> hearing a word, since he knows she'll calm down and hug him
>>> eventually. Did it ever occur to Connie that none of this would
>>> happen if HE had to work and pay for every little personal luxury
>>> that can easily get out of control?

>> Plenty still have the same problem when they do get to work and pay for everything.

> I don't follow. Are you saying that many teens can't control
> their spending even when they work for all their money?

Yep.

> Maybe.

No maybe about it.

> However, at least Connie would have no cause to yell at Jeremy if
> it were HIS earned money we were talking about - but in that strip,
> she was yelling clearly because the bill was going to her and Dad.

Yep, only a fool does it like that.

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TOPIC: replacing the blower motor on my car
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e2ed89c096a191e5?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 21 2008 12:25 pm
From: OhioGuy

Back in May I noticed that our car's blower was squealing whenever I
put it on the high setting. I was unable to remove the blower (it is a
squirrel cage type) because the alternator is too close, so I simply
made a vampire tap (drilled a hole) on the front of the motor casing,
and squirted in some WD-40. The squealing stopped for a while, then
came back. Over the next few months, the fan seemed to be slowly dying,
but it worked ok on low or medium without any noise.

This morning, my wife went to take the kids to school, and the fan
wouldn't work at all. I guess it had finally given up the ghost. Of
course, this means that the defroster no longer works, and we can't
really heat the car or anything, so it needs fixed.

I was able to get a replacement for $26 at Auto Zone. The problem is
that I was only able to remove the old one by pulling it apart on the
way out. (I.E. - ripping apart the wires & such that hold it together)

It seems like they stuck the squirrel cage/centrifugal blower casing
right behind the alternator to make it almost impossible for most folks
to replace this on their own. If there was simply 3/4" more clearance,
I could simply pop it in with 5 metal screws securing it.

Instead, if I can't figure out how to get past this, the $26 repair
will probably cost more than $100. This is very aggravating, because
from records I find online, this would have been a simple 10 minute
repair job on most cars from the 1980's or earlier, with no clearance
problems.

Anyone know how to move an alternator up and out of the way on a 1996
Buick Century? (or where I might be able to find some helpful info on
something like that?) Thanks!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 21 2008 12:46 pm
From: Vic Smith

On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:25:45 -0400, OhioGuy <none@none.net> wrote:

>
> Anyone know how to move an alternator up and out of the way on a 1996
>Buick Century? (or where I might be able to find some helpful info on
>something like that?) Thanks!

Ask at rec.autos.tech. But if it close to being like most of the
similar GM's I've done, it goes like this:
Turn the tensioner to loosen and disconnect the serpentine belt from
the alt pulley.
Use a wrench or maybe a pry bar. Be careful you don't break anything
with the pry bar.
Remove a couple bolts to move the alt.
If you have mess with the wiring to the alt, or there's the chance of
it shorting anywhere on the engine, disconnect the battery first.
Reverse the process after you replace the blower motor.
If you disconnected the battery, you might have to "relearn"
the electronics.
You can look that up, or ask at rec.autos.tech.
Don't hold me responsible if you mess something up.
Just be careful and know what you're doing before you start.

--Vic

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TOPIC: A Sign of the Times
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 10:04 pm
From: Jeff

George wrote:
> Don Klipstein wrote:
>> In article <JNqdnZt-eZ0zEWfVnZ2dnUVZ_oPinZ2d@comcast.com>, George wrote:
>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>> turtlelover wrote:
>>>>> Derald wrote:
>>>>>> Kellog's "Cocoa Crispies" in the new package has far less of the
>>>>>> brown "chocolate" coating than the previous version and the flavor is
>>>>>> far less reminiscent of chocolate (sigh); not that it ever really
>>>>>> _was_
>>>>>> very close, mind you....
>>>>>
>>>>> We've never bought them, so I can't give a review -- but I do
>>>>> believe you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does the box indicate "New and improved"? I cringe whenever I see
>>>>> that notation, because it generally means "changed for the worse"
>>>>> (by consumer standards).
>>>> I've been following the pricing of the Kroger apple juice. I used
>>>> to buy a good bit of it. Sometime back I saw it prominently
>>>> displayed with words like "Cost Cutter". The had just raised the
>>>> price 19 cents.
>>>>
>>>> Yesterday, I once more saw a prominent (end of aisle) store
>>>> display and sure enough, the price had gone up again.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Turtlelover
>>> I almost bought cranberry juice blend the other day. It was "Ocean
>>> Spray" brand in the usual packaging except I noticed it said
>>> "Cranjuice" instead of "Cranberry" as I was putting it in the cart.
>>> It was only 15% juice and a blend of cheaper juice and cranberry juice.
>>
>> Please keep in mind that "100% juice" "cranberry juice (blend or
>> cocktail or whatever)" will have cranberry juice not being a majority
>> of the product.
>
> Not from my experience, typically cranberry juice is sold as 27% juice
> with cranberries being the only fruit used. The new stuff I almost
> bought was only 15% juice and it had cranberries and other juice.
>
> 100% cranberry juice isn't as commonly sold likely because it is so tart
> as you said and you usually don't drink it straight.

I've nearly been mislead myself. I put back my 27% cranberry juice when
I spotted the "Cranberry 100% Juice" (or something like that). Careful
examination, lead to the discovery that it was not 100% cranberry, but
something like 17% cranberry and assorted other juices.

A new trick, all the time.

Lets face it, nobody drinks cranberry for the flavor!

Jeff

>
> I usually buy the 100% cranberry only juice if I see it but they only
> had the other stuff including the misleading alternate cheaper product
> (but not lower price) packaged to look the same.
>
>
>> Also keep in mind that "100% juice" mixed-juice products often have
>> much of the juice content being higher-sugar-lower-nutrition items
>> that I would
>> call "junk juice", as in I would call most of that "minor improvement
>> over Kool-Aid", with the fruit that such "junk juice major ingredient
>> is of" (my wording) being either apple or white grape. My experience
>> suggests to me that "100% juice products" with "cranberry juice" are
>> mostly "junk juice".
>> It appears to me that "100% cranberry juice" is a very sour-tart
>> product
>> comparable to either lime or lemon juice in strong-tartly-sourness and
>> also in cost.
>>
>> And "cranberry juice product" (my wording/phrasing) with lack of
>> "100% juice", especially if such lack of "100% juice" is accompanied
>> by presence of "juice cocktail", then the product can easily be
>> something that I would describe "in my own words as" "25% juice 75%
>> Kool-Aid". Along with some significant chance that much of the actual
>> juice content is from something other than cranberries.
>>
>> - Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
>
>

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TOPIC: Bar soap
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 20 2008 6:33 am
From: Seerialmom

On Oct 19, 7:17 pm, NoSpamFo...@LousyISP.gov wrote:
> Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Oct 19, 2:08 pm, Petepeng...@webtv.net (P T) wrote:
> >On a related subject; what's up with these shampoo bottles that don't
> >have twist off caps (VO5 comes to mind)? They have really small
> >dispensing holes and it's very hard to add water to get the last bit
> >out.
>
> The whole top just snaps off--use the back of a strong kitchen
> knife--and then snaps back on after you've added water. Although I do
> use the squish-onto-the new-bar technique for soap, I really don't
> think diluting the shampoo is worthwhile. Instead I just store the
> nearly-empty bottle upside down and use it from that inverted
> position.

I use the water diluted shampoo for the 2nd (aka "repeat") sudsing.
Also do the upside down bottle trick.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 20 2008 12:11 pm
From: Dennis

On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:08:26 -0500, Petepenguin@webtv.net (P T) wrote:

>I wonder what other people do with the end of a bar of soap. Being a
>frugal person, I get it good and squishy moist, and p-r-e-s-s it onto a
>new bar of soap. I've been known to save the unused portion of a
>mini-bar from a hotel, and do the same. Sometimes it doesn't look
>pretty, but it's only soap.

Woo hoo! A Keeper posting and a Recycle Soap Slivers posting in the
same day!

Can the Reusing Toilet Paper troll be far behind?

Dennis (evil)
--
"There is a fine line between participation and mockery" - Wally

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 20 2008 8:21 am
From: cakapgold

Stretch Mark Removal Demands Patience And Commitment

http://tips.susahsenang.com/?p=144
http://tips.susahsenang.com/?p=144

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 20 2008 11:42 pm
From: cakapgold

Stretch Mark Removal Demands Patience And Commitment

http://tips.susahsenang.com/?p=144
http://tips.susahsenang.com/?p=144

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TOPIC: furnace keeps cycling every 6 to 8 minutes or so
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 20 2008 11:13 am
From: OhioGuy

Our gas furnace seems to be turning on and off rather often - like
every 6-8 minutes. It is doing a fine job of heating the place, but
that's just the problem - it seems like it is too "fine" tuned. It
isn't letting the temperature vary more than a tenth of a degree, or at
least that is what it seems like.

Before assuming it is something about the furnace itself, I realized
that our thermostat is about 12 years old. Since thermostats are
usually 80 bucks or less, I should probably consider replacing that as a
first step, to see if it makes any difference.

I want a thermostat where I can adjust the delay a bit, and
especially where I can set it so that it isn't trying to keep the temp
at as narrow a range. Currently, when our furnace comes on, the temp
doesn't even go up a single degree before it turns back off. I would
much prefer that it went up 3 degrees or something before turning off,
and then the furnace not come on and off so much. It would be fantastic
if I could set a temp to trigger the furnace on, and a different temp to
kick it off.

Can anyone suggest a thermostat that has features like this? Thanks!

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 20 2008 11:23 am
From: Vic Smith

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:13:26 -0400, OhioGuy <none@none.net> wrote:

> Our gas furnace seems to be turning on and off rather often - like
>every 6-8 minutes. It is doing a fine job of heating the place, but
>that's just the problem - it seems like it is too "fine" tuned. It
>isn't letting the temperature vary more than a tenth of a degree, or at
>least that is what it seems like.
>
>
>Before assuming it is something about the furnace itself, I realized
>that our thermostat is about 12 years old. Since thermostats are
>usually 80 bucks or less, I should probably consider replacing that as a
>first step, to see if it makes any difference.
>
> I want a thermostat where I can adjust the delay a bit, and
>especially where I can set it so that it isn't trying to keep the temp
>at as narrow a range. Currently, when our furnace comes on, the temp
>doesn't even go up a single degree before it turns back off. I would
>much prefer that it went up 3 degrees or something before turning off,
>and then the furnace not come on and off so much. It would be fantastic
>if I could set a temp to trigger the furnace on, and a different temp to
>kick it off.
>
> Can anyone suggest a thermostat that has features like this? Thanks!

You might have an adjustment on your current thermostat for lag, or
whatever the term.
I think my fairly recent Honeywell is supposed to allow 3 degrees and
though I set it to the max, it really only has a 2 degree variance.
Which is okay, because that's a pretty comfortable variance.
Check the specs before you buy.
Honeywell has viewable specs and reviews on the web.
I think I saw reviews on the Amazon site.

--Vic

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 20 2008 11:42 am
From: Rick

On Oct 20, 2:13 pm, OhioGuy <n...@none.net> wrote:
> Our gas furnace seems to be turning on and off rather often - like
> every 6-8 minutes. It is doing a fine job of heating the place, but
> that's just the problem - it seems like it is too "fine" tuned. It
> isn't letting the temperature vary more than a tenth of a degree, or at
> least that is what it seems like.
>
> Before assuming it is something about the furnace itself, I realized
> that our thermostat is about 12 years old. Since thermostats are
> usually 80 bucks or less, I should probably consider replacing that as a
> first step, to see if it makes any difference.
>
> I want a thermostat where I can adjust the delay a bit, and
> especially where I can set it so that it isn't trying to keep the temp
> at as narrow a range. Currently, when our furnace comes on, the temp
> doesn't even go up a single degree before it turns back off. I would
> much prefer that it went up 3 degrees or something before turning off,
> and then the furnace not come on and off so much. It would be fantastic
> if I could set a temp to trigger the furnace on, and a different temp to
> kick it off.
>
> Can anyone suggest a thermostat that has features like this? Thanks!

I would definitely change the thermostat soon. I haven't seen many
(in fact I can't remember any at the moment) that you can adjust the
lag time or lag temp.

Some of the digital ones come with a warranty. I would buy at a local
hardware store as you can probably get better service and knowledge of
your problem then a chain store. It may cost a little more
initially. However, you would be able to talk to a real human by name
and not worry about them running off or pushing to a 1-800-no-help-
here line.

Just my $0.02

Regards,

Rick Boesen
Olivet, MI
www.FiberArtFest.com
www.QuesoCabezaFarm.com

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 20 2008 11:46 am
From: clams_casino

OhioGuy wrote:

> Our gas furnace seems to be turning on and off rather often - like
> every 6-8 minutes. It is doing a fine job of heating the place, but
> that's just the problem - it seems like it is too "fine" tuned. It
> isn't letting the temperature vary more than a tenth of a degree, or
> at least that is what it seems like.
>
>
> Before assuming it is something about the furnace itself, I realized
> that our thermostat is about 12 years old. Since thermostats are
> usually 80 bucks or less, I should probably consider replacing that as
> a first step, to see if it makes any difference.
>
> I want a thermostat where I can adjust the delay a bit, and
> especially where I can set it so that it isn't trying to keep the temp
> at as narrow a range. Currently, when our furnace comes on, the temp
> doesn't even go up a single degree before it turns back off. I would
> much prefer that it went up 3 degrees or something before turning off,
> and then the furnace not come on and off so much. It would be
> fantastic if I could set a temp to trigger the furnace on, and a
> different temp to kick it off.
>
> Can anyone suggest a thermostat that has features like this? Thanks!

Most any programmable thermostat should have such built into their
program. Both my Robertshaw & Honeywell thermostats have it.

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 20 2008 12:08 pm
From: j.bergstrom@valley.net

Check the high limit cutout setting, sometimes that assembly gets
sticky.

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:13:26 -0400, OhioGuy <none@none.net> wrote:

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 20 2008 12:25 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Was that before or after you replaced the furnace ?

OhioGuy <none@none.net> wrote:
> Our gas furnace seems to be turning on and off rather often - like
> every 6-8 minutes. It is doing a fine job of heating the place, but
> that's just the problem - it seems like it is too "fine" tuned. It
> isn't letting the temperature vary more than a tenth of a degree, or
> at least that is what it seems like.
>
>
> Before assuming it is something about the furnace itself, I realized
> that our thermostat is about 12 years old. Since thermostats are
> usually 80 bucks or less, I should probably consider replacing that
> as a first step, to see if it makes any difference.
>
> I want a thermostat where I can adjust the delay a bit, and
> especially where I can set it so that it isn't trying to keep the temp
> at as narrow a range. Currently, when our furnace comes on, the temp
> doesn't even go up a single degree before it turns back off. I would
> much prefer that it went up 3 degrees or something before turning off,
> and then the furnace not come on and off so much. It would be
> fantastic if I could set a temp to trigger the furnace on, and a
> different temp to kick it off.
>
> Can anyone suggest a thermostat that has features like this? Thanks!

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 20 2008 12:27 pm
From: Vic Smith

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:13:26 -0400, OhioGuy <none@none.net> wrote:

Looking around a bit it seems adjustable swing thermostats are
limited.
Might have to do with "standards."
http://www.energystar.gov/ia/partners/prod_development/revisions/downloads/thermostats/Proposal_PT.pdf

You might have a problem finding a thermostat you can adjust, since
the "standard" seems to be a fixed 2 degree swing minimum.
One other thing - you should ensure your thermostat is properly
located. If it's located out of drafts at a point where there is the
least loss of heat, it should cycle less frequently.
Of course the temp swing in outlying areas will be greater.

--Vic

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 20 2008 3:18 pm
From: Gordon

OhioGuy <none@none.net> wrote in news:gdihos$pj6$1@aioe.org:

> Our gas furnace seems to be turning on and off rather often - like
> every 6-8 minutes. It is doing a fine job of heating the place, but
> that's just the problem - it seems like it is too "fine" tuned. It
> isn't letting the temperature vary more than a tenth of a degree, or
at
> least that is what it seems like.
>
>
> Before assuming it is something about the furnace itself, I realized
> that our thermostat is about 12 years old. Since thermostats are
> usually 80 bucks or less, I should probably consider replacing that as
a
> first step, to see if it makes any difference.
>
> I want a thermostat where I can adjust the delay a bit, and
> especially where I can set it so that it isn't trying to keep the temp
> at as narrow a range. Currently, when our furnace comes on, the temp
> doesn't even go up a single degree before it turns back off. I would
> much prefer that it went up 3 degrees or something before turning off,
> and then the furnace not come on and off so much. It would be
fantastic
> if I could set a temp to trigger the furnace on, and a different temp
to
> kick it off.
>
> Can anyone suggest a thermostat that has features like this?
Thanks!

See if your Thermostat has an internal adjustment for anticipation.
Then turn it down. The anticipation adjustment is a small heater
in the thermostat that heats it internally. The idea being that
it will turn off quicker. Without anticipation, you would be
seeing very big temperature swings.

So. Before your go out and change the thermostat, see if
you can adjust it first.

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TOPIC: Demand that Obama release his college records! Where is the media?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 20 2008 12:22 pm
From: "Bob F"

"JonL" <JonL@Mayday.com> wrote in message news:48F63ABF.6090604@Mayday.com...

>> And how many Palin interviews have you seen this week? They don't dare let
>> her get asked real questions for fear of her (non)answers. You want a
>> President Palin? Now that's a scary thought.
>
> Imo. no need to be smart to be a good prez. They're not the Deciders, they
> just take orders from the Organ Grinders behind the scene. (presidents are
> their dancing monkeys)
>
> .
> Imo, Palin can do an adequate job, with just a 2.2 gpa in high school.
> Plus , her Wechsler I.Q score was 83, A _Dull Normal_, a few points above
> _Borderline Retarded_ (70-80).

Where did you get those numbers? Not the kind of thing I'd expect the repubs to
release.

== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 20 2008 3:58 pm
From: "Rick"

Hi,

Is there a service comporable to Angie's List that's free?

Thanks, Rick

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 20 2008 9:52 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Oct 20, 3:58 pm, "Rick" <rt...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is there a service comporable to Angie's List that's free?
>
> Thanks, Rick

Sort of. ServiceMagic.com was something I looked into a while back;
but I don't think they have just lists of contractors to look through
for ratings. As I recall you spell out the work you want done and get
some bids; you can then look at the ratings of those who have
replied. I also tried to see if perhaps the forums on Craigslist
might have something similar but it doesn't look like it. Too bad;
I'd like to know who others in my area used for roofing and whether
they felt the company was good work and price wise.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 20 2008 10:35 pm
From: "L Vetter"

Seerialmom wrote:

I'd like to know who others in my area used for roofing and whether
they felt the company was good work and price wise.

---------------------------------------------
If you live in the Mpls/St. Paul area, I can give you the name of a roofing
company that does excellent work at a very reasonable price.

Loren

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TOPIC: Columnist Betsy Hart on cutting back (mother of four)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9e5375476e1b59d0?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 20 2008 6:16 pm
From: lenona321@yahoo.com

She's in her mid-40s, BTW. Her website is betsysblog.com. Her book is
"It Takes a Parent: How the Culture of Pushover Parenting Is Hurting
Our Children-and What to Do About it."

Lenona.

http://online.indianagazette.com/articles/2008/10/19/opinions/syndicated_columnists/10004131.txt

Excerpt from the second half:

"I have no problem with telling my kids, ``we're running a tighter
ship - get used to it.''

"I know, I know, big deal. I still have my home, good schools for my
kids, and I'm not getting rid of the satellite TV anytime soon. So I
guess for now I'm somewhere between the folks who are losing jobs and
possibly their homes on the one side, and a wealthy acquaintance of
mine on the other who announced to me with a straight face that she's
really cutting back - when her Mercedes lease comes up again, she's
not renewing it!

"Still, whatever one's relative changes, the news reports are that
more and more Americans are dramatically cutting back. The AP reported
this week that retail sales for September 'fell off a cliff.' And that
may require some psychological adjustments for all of us.

"This summer, my kids and I saw the Kit Kittredge movie - a greatly
romanticized version of the Great Depression. And so recently I told
my children we won't be taking in boarders time soon, but. ... they
shouldn't get too attached to their bedrooms! Sure they know I'm
joking, but I think it's important for them to see that circumstances
might change (however still comfortable we are) but `things' aren't
what we put our faith in anyway........."

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 20 2008 6:30 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

lenona321@yahoo.com wrote:

> She's in her mid-40s, BTW.

How old are the kids ?

> Her website is betsysblog.com.

> Her book is "It Takes a Parent: How the Culture of Pushover
> Parenting Is Hurting Our Children-and What to Do About it."

> http://online.indianagazette.com/articles/2008/10/19/opinions/syndicated_columnists/10004131.txt

> Excerpt from the second half:

> "I have no problem with telling my kids, ``we're running a tighter ship - get used to it.''

And she'll come to reget that when they pick her nursing home.

> "I know, I know, big deal. I still have my home, good schools for
> my kids, and I'm not getting rid of the satellite TV anytime soon.
> So I guess for now I'm somewhere between the folks who are
> losing jobs and possibly their homes on the one side, and a
> wealthy acquaintance of mine on the other who announced to
> me with a straight face that she's really cutting back - when
> her Mercedes lease comes up again, she's not renewing it!

> "Still, whatever one's relative changes, the news reports are
> that more and more Americans are dramatically cutting back.

More fool them. That will only make the problem MUCH worse.

> The AP reported this week that retail sales for September 'fell off a cliff.'

Mindless silly hype.

> And that may require some psychological adjustments for all of us.

Nope.

> "This summer, my kids and I saw the Kit Kittredge movie -
> a greatly romanticized version of the Great Depression.
> And so recently I told my children we won't be taking
> in boarders time soon, but. ... they shouldn't get too
> attached to their bedrooms! Sure they know I'm joking,
> but I think it's important for them to see that circumstances
> might change (however still comfortable we are) but
> `things' aren't what we put our faith in anyway........."

Then you should allow those who have lost their houses to move in.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 20 2008 6:47 pm
From: lenona321@yahoo.com

On Oct 20, 9:30 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> lenona...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > She's in her mid-40s, BTW.
>
> How old are the kids ?

Her son, the oldest, is 14. That's all I remember, but I'm pretty sure
the youngest girl is at least 5.

Lenona.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 20 2008 7:17 pm
From: lenona321@yahoo.com

Turns out the youngest girl is 7.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 20 2008 10:55 pm
From: cakapgold

Do You Know Where To Get A Safe Payday Loan?

http://tips.susahsenang.com/?p=148
http://tips.susahsenang.com/?p=148

One of the most popular ways of getting a loan today is through a
payday or check advance company. So many people are using these
services to supplement their income when they find themselves in
unexpected situations that require more money than what they have on
hand. They are really convenient because they usually require no
credit checks and only a minimum of other paperwork and requirements.
Almost anyone who has a regular job and a checking account in good
standing can be eligible for one of these loans.

http://tips.susahsenang.com/?p=148
http://tips.susahsenang.com/?p=148

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TOPIC: What Is The Difference Between Gastric Bypass Surgery And Lap Band
Surgery?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 20 2008 11:19 pm
From: cakapgold

What Is The Difference Between Gastric Bypass Surgery And Lap Band
Surgery?

http://tips.susahsenang.com/?p=146
http://tips.susahsenang.com/?p=146

There are two different types of weight loss surgery. Those surgeries
are Lap Band surgery and gastric bypass surgery. These are two of the
most exciting medical advancements when it comes to the treatment of
obesity and both are rather safe procedures. However, for those
wishing to undergo weight loss surgery, it is important to know the
differences between both the Lap Band surgery and gastric bypass
surgery.

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