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== 1 of 1 ==
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 6 2009 3:51 am
From: Shawn Hirn
In article <pisIm.3122$Sw5.2411@newsfe16.iad>, Ohioguy <none@none.net>
wrote:
> Recently, we had our ~1 year old digital camera stolen, so I went
> back to ecost.com, to purchase another refurbished one for $99 plus
> ship. They charge $10.99 for shipping. It seemed a little high, but
> that's only about 11% of the order total, so I figured ok. I also added
> on a 4GB class 6 SD card for $9.99 The camera said "temporarily out of
> stock", but let me add it to the cart and purchase it.
>
> Well, they decided to ship the SD card, and cancelled the camera part
> of my order. Now I have evidently paid $11 to ship a $10 item the size
> of a postage stamp. I'm rather annoyed, to put it mildly. As a rule, I
> never, ever pay more than 50% of the cost of an item in shipping - I
> find it locally instead of paying more than that.
>
> Do I have any recourse?
What response did you get when you contacted eCost.com with your
complaint?
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 6 2009 4:21 am
From: Al
On Nov 6, 6:51 am, Shawn Hirn <s...@comcast.net> wrote:
> In article <pisIm.3122$Sw5.2...@newsfe16.iad>, Ohioguy <n...@none.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Recently, we had our ~1 year old digital camera stolen, so I went
> > back to ecost.com, to purchase another refurbished one for $99 plus
> > ship. They charge $10.99 for shipping. It seemed a little high, but
> > that's only about 11% of the order total, so I figured ok. I also added
> > on a 4GB class 6 SD card for $9.99 The camera said "temporarily out of
> > stock", but let me add it to the cart and purchase it.
>
> > Well, they decided to ship the SD card, and cancelled the camera part
> > of my order. Now I have evidently paid $11 to ship a $10 item the size
> > of a postage stamp. I'm rather annoyed, to put it mildly. As a rule, I
> > never, ever pay more than 50% of the cost of an item in shipping - I
> > find it locally instead of paying more than that.
>
> > Do I have any recourse?
>
> What response did you get when you contacted eCost.com with your
> complaint?
This is OG. He usually leaves critical facts out of the post for some
reason.
I went to ecost and they had 500+ cameras at $100 or less and not a
single one of them showed out of stock. How did OG even find one out
of stock, much less pick that over hundreds others?
He leaves us spinning our wheels by jumping to early conclusions.
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 6 2009 5:00 am
From: Bc112
On Nov 5, 11:35 am, Al <albun...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> On Nov 4, 11:14 pm, Ohioguy <n...@none.net> wrote:
>
> > Recently, we had our ~1 year old digital camera stolen, so I went
> > back to ecost.com, to purchase another refurbished one for $99 plus
> > ship. They charge $10.99 for shipping. It seemed a little high, but
> > that's only about 11% of the order total, so I figured ok. I also added
> > on a 4GB class 6 SD card for $9.99 The camera said "temporarily out of
> > stock", but let me add it to the cart and purchase it.
>
> > Well, they decided to ship the SD card, and cancelled the camera part
> > of my order. Now I have evidently paid $11 to ship a $10 item the size
> > of a postage stamp. I'm rather annoyed, to put it mildly. As a rule, I
> > never, ever pay more than 50% of the cost of an item in shipping - I
> > find it locally instead of paying more than that.
>
> > Do I have any recourse?
>
> It sounds like you are posting prematurely or incompletely.
> Have you contacted them?
> Have they separately reinstated the camera order? Did you request that
> with no shipping?
> Boy, you sure have plenty of trouble with cameras.
He has trouble with everything.
I've never seen a person so inept at just about everything.
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 6 2009 7:13 am
From: Al
On Nov 6, 8:00 am, Bc112 <s200hondas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 5, 11:35 am, Al <albun...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 4, 11:14 pm, Ohioguy <n...@none.net> wrote:
>
> > > Recently, we had our ~1 year old digital camera stolen, so I went
> > > back to ecost.com, to purchase another refurbished one for $99 plus
> > > ship. They charge $10.99 for shipping. It seemed a little high, but
> > > that's only about 11% of the order total, so I figured ok. I also added
> > > on a 4GB class 6 SD card for $9.99 The camera said "temporarily out of
> > > stock", but let me add it to the cart and purchase it.
>
> > > Well, they decided to ship the SD card, and cancelled the camera part
> > > of my order. Now I have evidently paid $11 to ship a $10 item the size
> > > of a postage stamp. I'm rather annoyed, to put it mildly. As a rule, I
> > > never, ever pay more than 50% of the cost of an item in shipping - I
> > > find it locally instead of paying more than that.
>
> > > Do I have any recourse?
>
> > It sounds like you are posting prematurely or incompletely.
> > Have you contacted them?
> > Have they separately reinstated the camera order? Did you request that
> > with no shipping?
> > Boy, you sure have plenty of trouble with cameras.
>
> He has trouble with everything.
>
> I've never seen a person so inept at just about everything.
And he never reveals the follow up where he ends up spending more than
people who never try to save. He will try to bargain for 5-6 pepper
seeds through the mail and blow $150 on a Windows XP that won't
validate and so forth. It goes on and on and the other groups have fun
with him too. At times he purports to be somewhat computer savvy and
then he reveals a tremendous lack of knowledge of his own computer.
He changes names on the various groups, but mistakenly left his
complete name and address in one place. The story I liked best is
where he defended his use of the newly purchased beat-up $500 Ford van
for a long distance family vacation by saying someone told him that in
a nuclear attack, the electronics on that old van would still somehow
function. Fifteen people in this group almost had to go for emergency
hernia surgery from laughing so hard.
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 6 2009 7:25 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Bc112 wrote:
> On Nov 5, 11:35 am, Al <albun...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 4, 11:14 pm, Ohioguy <n...@none.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Recently, we had our ~1 year old digital camera stolen, so I went
>>> back to ecost.com, to purchase another refurbished one for $99 plus
>>> ship. They charge $10.99 for shipping. It seemed a little high, but
>>> that's only about 11% of the order total, so I figured ok. I also
>>> added on a 4GB class 6 SD card for $9.99 The camera said
>>> "temporarily out of stock", but let me add it to the cart and
>>> purchase it.
>>
>>> Well, they decided to ship the SD card, and cancelled the camera
>>> part of my order. Now I have evidently paid $11 to ship a $10 item
>>> the size of a postage stamp. I'm rather annoyed, to put it mildly.
>>> As a rule, I never, ever pay more than 50% of the cost of an item
>>> in shipping - I find it locally instead of paying more than that.
>>
>>> Do I have any recourse?
>>
>> It sounds like you are posting prematurely or incompletely.
>> Have you contacted them?
>> Have they separately reinstated the camera order? Did you request
>> that with no shipping?
>> Boy, you sure have plenty of trouble with cameras.
>
> He has trouble with everything.
>
> I've never seen a person so inept at just about everything.
He does appear to have worked out how to change houses quite effectively.
Assuming it doesnt all go pear shaped before he moves in, anyway.
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 6 2009 7:28 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Al wrote:
> On Nov 6, 8:00 am, Bc112 <s200hondas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 5, 11:35 am, Al <albun...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 4, 11:14 pm, Ohioguy <n...@none.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> Recently, we had our ~1 year old digital camera stolen, so I
>>>> went back to ecost.com, to purchase another refurbished one for
>>>> $99 plus ship. They charge $10.99 for shipping. It seemed a
>>>> little high, but that's only about 11% of the order total, so I
>>>> figured ok. I also added on a 4GB class 6 SD card for $9.99 The
>>>> camera said "temporarily out of stock", but let me add it to the
>>>> cart and purchase it.
>>
>>>> Well, they decided to ship the SD card, and cancelled the
>>>> camera part of my order. Now I have evidently paid $11 to ship a
>>>> $10 item the size of a postage stamp. I'm rather annoyed, to put
>>>> it mildly. As a rule, I never, ever pay more than 50% of the cost
>>>> of an item in shipping - I find it locally instead of paying more
>>>> than that.
>>
>>>> Do I have any recourse?
>>
>>> It sounds like you are posting prematurely or incompletely.
>>> Have you contacted them?
>>> Have they separately reinstated the camera order? Did you request
>>> that with no shipping?
>>> Boy, you sure have plenty of trouble with cameras.
>>
>> He has trouble with everything.
>>
>> I've never seen a person so inept at just about everything.
> And he never reveals the follow up where he ends
> up spending more than people who never try to save.
He did with the house change.
> He will try to bargain for 5-6 pepper
> seeds through the mail and blow $150 on a Windows XP that won't
> validate and so forth. It goes on and on and the other groups have fun
> with him too. At times he purports to be somewhat computer savvy and
> then he reveals a tremendous lack of knowledge of his own computer.
> He changes names on the various groups, but mistakenly left his
> complete name and address in one place. The story I liked best is
> where he defended his use of the newly purchased beat-up $500 Ford van
> for a long distance family vacation by saying someone told him that in
> a nuclear attack, the electronics on that old van would still somehow
> function. Fifteen people in this group almost had to go for emergency
> hernia surgery from laughing so hard.
True, but that does provide some light relief.
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 6 2009 7:38 am
From: Balvenieman
Ohioguy <none@none.net> wrote:
> Do I have any recourse?
Well, since the situation is covered by the company's TOS, which
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the thing to do is to accept the charge as sort of a tightwad bargain
hunter tax and try to do better next time....
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 6 2009 6:37 am
From: "Hiker"
Education is a buffer ino hard economic times.
http://www.theupperdeck.com/?p=129
--
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 6 2009 6:43 am
From: lorad
On Nov 6, 6:37 am, "Hiker" <hi...@not4mail.org> wrote:
> Education is a buffer ino hard economic times.
>
> http://www.theupperdeck.com/?p=129
>
> --
Getting rid of 20-30 million illegal job stealing aliens would help
too.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 6 2009 8:30 am
From: Straightarrow
On Nov 6, 8:43 am, lorad <lorad...@cs.com> wrote:
> On Nov 6, 6:37 am, "Hiker" <hi...@not4mail.org> wrote:
>
> > Education is a buffer ino hard economic times.
>
> >http://www.theupperdeck.com/?p=129
>
> > --
>
> Getting rid of 20-30 million illegal job stealing aliens would help
> too.
The Messiah and "Blinky"Pelosi are working on a plan to "fix" that
problem as we speak. They'll make them all American citizens. Prollum
solved !!
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 6 2009 9:42 am
From: "Alex Clayton"
"lorad" <lorad474@cs.com> wrote in message
news:0bf23d78-b2d6-47dc-a8aa-56d566d7950a@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 6, 6:37 am, "Hiker" <hi...@not4mail.org> wrote:
> Education is a buffer ino hard economic times.
>
> http://www.theupperdeck.com/?p=129
>
> --
>
>
>Getting rid of 20-30 million illegal job stealing aliens would help
>too.
>
>
Oh come on. Everyone knows they are only doing the jobs no American will
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stamp people to buy at the store if they run off all the "help".
--
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From: Vandy Terre
There was a thread started over the impossibility of definition of frugality.
IMO, defining frugality is much like defining personal religion. Each
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Personally for me frugality means being able to live with in the income earned.
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purchased with that income if you are working two jobs? Does the family really
_need_ that boat or four wheeler or expensive car?
Another place I see a lot of money wasted is at the grocery. Luncheon meat is
expensive and usually heavier in fat than home cooked meat. Look at the price
per pound on a whole frozen turkey and compare it to turkey luncheon meat. Is
it really that hard to home cook the turkey, bone it, and slice it? Besides
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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 6 2009 8:50 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Vandy Terre wrote
> There was a thread started over the impossibility of definition of frugality.
> IMO, defining frugality is much like defining personal religion.
> Each individual has their own definition and practice.
Thats not what definitions are about.
> Personally for me frugality means being able to live with in the income earned.
Thats not frugality. Frugality involves a lot more than just that, most obviously
when the income is substantial and its just frittered away on baubles etc.
> Right now that is very hard for us because we were used to
> a much larger income than currently available. Plants close,
> lay off workers, new jobs are hard to find, unemployment
> eventually runs and you settle for any job that pays more
> income than the fuel to go to work. So now this family is
> living on less than half the former income.
> I have learned over the years to be rather tight with the coin.
> We had few extras, now the internet is the only remaining 'extra'.
Bet it isnt.
> Though I am not sure the internet is really an 'extra' because it is
> usually my only contact outside the family at home. I don't leave
> the home much. This is a small working farm and I make handcrafted
> items to sell as well. The farm provides some of the food we eat.
> The handcrafted items sometimes provide some extra cash. If nothing
> else because I sew the family has clothing, some of it well mended.
> For the most part I am happy with my lifestyle. It would be nice
> to have a bit more income. It would be even nicer if the gardens
> and livestock provided more to eat and sell. I am working on that.
> Some would say I would earn more if I worked outside the home.
> I say not. If you turn the time I spend repairing clothing, harvesting
> gardens, collecting eggs into dollars not spent at some shop, I am
> earning better than I could working somewhere else.
That is rather doubtful with repairing clothing.
> Plus, I am here for the children when they return from school
You'd still be able to do that if the work was only during school hours.
And even if there are a couple of hours when you arent home when
the kids are, that is hardly the end of civilisation as we know it.
> or if they have need of a parent during the day.
Quite a few jobs allow for that.
> Cutting off the satellite for television was not a major loss. At
> first it was missed, but now I have found how to use the internet for
> weather and news updates. I have also become spoiled watching
> DVDs of the shows I like at my convenience without commercials.
> Satilite was our only choice for any kind of television reception.
> Too far from broadcast towers, down in a hollow so no line of
> sight to those distant towers, too far from town to have cable.
> Frugality kicked in. We dropped the satellite feed.
So now you have nothing for real news and current affairs.
> Then we looked at what that had been costing us per month
> and realized that for the same money we could have purchased
> a great many DVDs. So instead of a $100 plus a month for
> satellite, we now spend maybe $20 a month on DVDs from
> the $5 rack at the discount department store.
> I see too many people playing the 'keep up with the Jones'
> game and needing to work two jobs per adult to manage it.
> Where is the time to enjoy the extras purchased with that
> income if you are working two jobs? Does the family really
> _need_ that boat or four wheeler or expensive car?
Doesnt NEED a house or farm either, you can 'live' in a tent.
> Another place I see a lot of money wasted is at the grocery.
> Luncheon meat is expensive and usually heavier in fat than home
> cooked meat. Look at the price per pound on a whole frozen turkey
> and compare it to turkey luncheon meat. Is it really that hard to
> home cook the turkey, bone it, and slice it? Besides that luncheon
> meat does not come with separated dark/ light meat or organ meat.
> Look at the price of a whole ham verses luncheon meat. Most
> groceries will slice the ham for you. I have the ham sliced at the
> grocery, take it home, wrap it for freezing and then it is used as
> needed with out spoilage.
Makes more sense to get a slicer at a yard sale or ebay.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 6 2009 10:52 am
From: Gordon
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in
news:7lj2e3F3e2djqU1@mid.individual.net:
> Vandy Terre wrote
>
>> There was a thread started over the impossibility of definition of
>> frugality.
>
>> IMO, defining frugality is much like defining personal religion.
>> Each individual has their own definition and practice.
>
> Thats not what definitions are about.
>
>> Personally for me frugality means being able to live with in the
>> income earned.
>
> Thats not frugality. Frugality involves a lot more than just that,
> most obviously when the income is substantial and its just frittered
> away on baubles etc.
It's a good working definition for her situation. But feel free
to expand it to a more universal definition if you want to.
>
>> Cutting off the satellite for television was not a major loss.
>> Frugality kicked in. We dropped the satellite feed.
>
> So now you have nothing for real news and current affairs.
>
Internet.
>> Then we looked at what that had been costing us per month
>> and realized that for the same money we could have purchased
>> a great many DVDs. So instead of a $100 plus a month for
>> satellite, we now spend maybe $20 a month on DVDs from
>> the $5 rack at the discount department store.
Streaming video over a high speed internet connection
is even cheaper.
>> Most
>> groceries will slice the ham for you. I have the ham sliced at the
>> grocery, take it home, wrap it for freezing and then it is used as
>> needed with out spoilage.
>
> Makes more sense to get a slicer at a yard sale or ebay.
>
Slicing is free at the Grocery store. At least around here.
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