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TOPIC: Bailout costs every taxpayer $24,000.00. Are Americans just fat sheeple?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/a7c77e2271603a4f?hl=en
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== 1 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 8:42 am
From: "Jason"
"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
news:OEVWk.161$VX5.1@newsfe14.iad...
> Ron Peterson wrote:
>
>>On Nov 25, 9:33 am, dustin <dustinjo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Fed Pledges Top $7.4 Trillion to Ease Frozen Credit (Update1)
>>>
>>
>>
>>>The money that's been pledged, so far, is equivalent to $24,000 for
>>>every
>>>man,woman and child in the country. It's nine times what the U.S. has
>>>spentso far on wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to Congressional
>>>Budget Office figures. It could pay off more than half the country's
>>>mortgages
>>>
>>
>>
>>>http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=arEE1iClqDrk&refe...
>>>
>>
>>Who is getting the bailout money? Is it the stockholders, bondholders,
>>executives, or somebody else?
>>
>>--
>> Ron
>>
>>
> Pro athletes. Essentially every major financial institution getting
> bailout money is using it to put their name on a sports stadium so the
> players can get their multi million dollar pay checks.
>
> Without the bailout money, for example, Citibank won't be able to spend
> $400M to get their name on the new stadium for the Yankees.
a list of recipients that have been disclosed , so far, is shown at the
following
http://projects.nytimes.com/creditcrisis/recipients/table?scp=4&sq=recipients%20of%20bailout&st=cse
Dozens of banks and a handful of insurers have applied for funds from the
Treasury Department as part of the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief
Program. The Treasury has transferred capital to 30 of these companies and
to A.I.G. More are expected to announce their participation in the coming
weeks.
== 2 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 8:47 am
From: Rob Kleinschmidt
On Nov 25, 6:51 am, "tomor...@erols.com"
<tomorrowerolsdot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 25, 9:17 am, Mark B <mark_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 24, 10:33 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > Is it not interesting that the masses wander about scratching their
> > > ample butts while accepting the
> > > theft of their money?
>
> > > ted
>
> > Actually, It's $2,333.33 if you figure $700B / 300M people.
>
> Except not all 300M are taxpayers. Something like 120M file tax
> returns, but of those, only about 80M actually PAY taxes (other than
> FICA and Medicare). Still, that only works out to $8,750 per
> taxpayer. Of course, it probably won't end at $700 billion, either.
>
> Don't worry, though, the government has printing presses. And they
> can, if need be, run them in triple shifts.
Maybe we can just hit China up for another loan.
Meantime, we should obviously cut taxes in the upper
income brackets again so that still more prosperity will
trickle down on the rest of us.
== 3 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 9:00 am
From: English-Elephant
Hi,
Don't worry Bush's $600 rebate cheques will sove everything, oh hold
on?
Thanks
== 4 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 9:05 am
From: twentydollarock@yahoo.com
> Who is getting the bailout money? Is it the stockholders, bondholders,
> executives, or somebody else?
>
> --
> Ron
You guessed correctly and the first two didn't count.
== 5 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 9:11 am
From: "rick++"
The federal government has only spent $1.1 trillion so far
at $3500 per person. Thats still a damn lot. As much as
the entire Iraq & Afganistan wars over six years.
The $1.1 trillion comes from the increase in national debt
in September and October - a record increase.
Paulson and Bernanke are otherwise vague on what they actually spent.
== 6 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 9:39 am
From: Henry <9-11@insidejob.gov>
tomorrow@erols.com wrote:
> Don't worry, though, the government has printing presses. And they
> can, if need be, run them in triple shifts.
Dumping huge quantities of paper currency is sometimes used
as an act of economic terrorism, but it's generally used against
other governments, rather than self inflicted. Bush's regime is
"special" that way....
--
They must find it difficult - those who have taken authority as the
Truth, rather than Truth as the authority. - G. Massey
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html
http://www.911truth.org
Ever wonder who benefits from the 700 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
"The new America, born in sin and arrogance, delusional
in Manifest Destiny, bred in overabundant gluttony,
consumerist and materialist, fathered by George W. Bush,
Dick Cheney and the Cabal of Criminality, a country flocked
by sheeple, ignorant and conditioned, indifferent to a world
growing up around it, living delusions of empire and of
omnipotence, building hatred against it and its policies
throughout the planet, slowly dumbing down its citizens,
losing its edge in the sciences and arts, producing a nation
of acquiescent automatons brainwashed to never question
authority and always faithfully follow the crimes of governance."
- Manuel Valenzuela
== 7 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 10:11 am
From: "tomorrow@erols.com"
On Nov 25, 11:47 am, Rob Kleinschmidt <Rkleinsch1216...@aol.com>
wrote:
> On Nov 25, 6:51 am, "tomor...@erols.com"
>
>
>
>
>
> <tomorrowerolsdot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 25, 9:17 am, Mark B <mark_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 24, 10:33 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > > Is it not interesting that the masses wander about scratching their
> > > > ample butts while accepting the
> > > > theft of their money?
>
> > > > ted
>
> > > Actually, It's $2,333.33 if you figure $700B / 300M people.
>
> > Except not all 300M are taxpayers. Something like 120M file tax
> > returns, but of those, only about 80M actually PAY taxes (other than
> > FICA and Medicare). Still, that only works out to $8,750 per
> > taxpayer. Of course, it probably won't end at $700 billion, either.
>
> > Don't worry, though, the government has printing presses. And they
> > can, if need be, run them in triple shifts.
>
> Maybe we can just hit China up for another loan.
>
> Meantime, we should obviously cut taxe RATEs in the upper
> income brackets again so that still more prosperity will
> trickle down on the rest of us.
(fixed that for you)
Nah, we should just increase the taxes on the top 10% of wage earners
so that they are paying 95% of the total tax burden instead of 46% as
they do now. Then 90% of the people would get a 100% tax rebate,
every year! Bet those folks would vote Democrat!
== 8 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 10:47 am
From: Siobhan Medeiros
On Nov 24, 8:33 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Is it not interesting that the masses wander about scratching their
> ample butts while accepting the
> theft of their money?
>
> ted
They stand to lose a lot more than that.
== 9 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 10:50 am
From: Siobhan Medeiros
On Nov 24, 8:56 am, Henry <9...@insidejob.gov> wrote:
> wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Is it not interesting that the masses wander about scratching their
> > ample butts while accepting the
> > theft of their money?
>
> They accepted the Bush regime's 9-11 fairy tale without thought
> or question, so why not the theft and redistribution of their
> money to billionaire corporate thieves and criminals?
>
Sigh. Here we go again.
> --
>
> They must find it difficult - those who have taken authority as the
> Truth, rather than Truth as the authority. - G. Massey
>
> http://911research.wtc7.net
> http://stj911.org
> http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html
> http://www.911truth.org
>
> Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
> to raging infernos for hours on end.
>
> http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
>
Were those buildings 110 stories tall?
> On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
> had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
> at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
> demolition.
Yes, clearly the CIA wanted to get rid of incriminating documents so
badly, they waited patiently for the attacks, snuck in past the scads
of firefighters running around, planted hundreds of pounds of high
explosives, and blew up the building. As opposed to say, striking a
match.
>
> http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
>
> http://911research.wtc7.net
> http://stj911.org
> http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html
> http://www.911truth.org
>
> Ever wonder who benefits from the 700 MILLION
> U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
> http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
> http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
>
> "They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
> there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
> take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
> who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
> warfare or morality."
> -bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
> http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
>
> "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
> or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
> not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
> to the American public."
> -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
>
> Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
> friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
>
> "The new America, born in sin and arrogance, delusional
> in Manifest Destiny, bred in overabundant gluttony,
> consumerist and materialist, fathered by George W. Bush,
> Dick Cheney and the Cabal of Criminality, a country flocked
> by sheeple, ignorant and conditioned, indifferent to a world
> growing up around it, living delusions of empire and of
> omnipotence, building hatred against it and its policies
> throughout the planet, slowly dumbing down its citizens,
> losing its edge in the sciences and arts, producing a nation
> of acquiescent automatons brainwashed to never question
> authority and always faithfully follow the crimes of governance."
> - Manuel Valenzuela
== 10 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 10:53 am
From: clams_casino
Jason wrote:
>"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
>news:OEVWk.161$VX5.1@newsfe14.iad...
>
>
>>Ron Peterson wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>On Nov 25, 9:33 am, dustin <dustinjo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Fed Pledges Top $7.4 Trillion to Ease Frozen Credit (Update1)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The money that's been pledged, so far, is equivalent to $24,000 for
>>>>every
>>>>man,woman and child in the country. It's nine times what the U.S. has
>>>>spentso far on wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to Congressional
>>>>Budget Office figures. It could pay off more than half the country's
>>>>mortgages
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=arEE1iClqDrk&refe...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Who is getting the bailout money? Is it the stockholders, bondholders,
>>>executives, or somebody else?
>>>
>>>--
>>> Ron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Pro athletes. Essentially every major financial institution getting
>>bailout money is using it to put their name on a sports stadium so the
>>players can get their multi million dollar pay checks.
>>
>>Without the bailout money, for example, Citibank won't be able to spend
>>$400M to get their name on the new stadium for the Yankees.
>>
>>
>
>a list of recipients that have been disclosed , so far, is shown at the
>following
>
>http://projects.nytimes.com/creditcrisis/recipients/table?scp=4&sq=recipients%20of%20bailout&st=cse
>
>Dozens of banks and a handful of insurers have applied for funds from the
>Treasury Department as part of the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief
>Program. The Treasury has transferred capital to 30 of these companies and
>to A.I.G. More are expected to announce their participation in the coming
>weeks.
>
>
>
>
I hope it all goes through. If these pro athletes are forced to take a
cut in pay, there won't be enough money to trickle down into the middle
class. These millionaire athletes will also not likely be able to
create any new jobs if their salaries are cut.
== 11 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 10:56 am
From: clams_casino
tomorrow@erols.com wrote:
>
>Nah, we should just increase the taxes on the top 10% of wage earners
>so that they are paying 95% of the total tax burden instead of 46% as
>they do now.
>
Were do you get such bogus statistics? Income taxes are only about a
third of the total taxes. Even if you taxed 100% of their income, I
question if the top 10% would be paying 46% of all taxes.
== 12 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 11:13 am
From: "Rod Speed"
dustin <dustinjonrs@hotmail.com> wrote:
> tomorrow@erols.com explained on 11/25/2008 :
>> On Nov 25, 9:17 am, Mark B <mark_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Nov 24, 10:33 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is it not interesting that the masses wander about scratching their
>>>> ample butts while accepting the
>>>> theft of their money?
>>>
>>>> ted
>>>
>>> Actually, It's $2,333.33 if you figure $700B / 300M people.
>>
>> Except not all 300M are taxpayers. Something like 120M file tax
>> returns, but of those, only about 80M actually PAY taxes (other than
>> FICA and Medicare). Still, that only works out to $8,750 per
>> taxpayer. Of course, it probably won't end at $700 billion, either.
>>
>> Don't worry, though, the government has printing presses. And they
>> can, if need be, run them in triple shifts.
> Fed Pledges Top $7.4 Trillion to Ease Frozen Credit (Update1)
> The money that's been pledged, so far, is equivalent to $24,000 for every man,woman and child in the country. It's
> nine times what the U.S. has spentso far on wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to Congressional Budget Office
> figures. It could pay off more than half the country's mortgages
You fools produced a complete meltdown of the world financial system, you fools get to pay for that.
> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=arEE1iClqDrk&refer=home
== 13 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 11:24 am
From: Rob Kleinschmidt
On Nov 25, 10:11 am, "tomor...@erols.com"
<tomorrowerolsdot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 25, 11:47 am, Rob Kleinschmidt <Rkleinsch1216...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 25, 6:51 am, "tomor...@erols.com"
>
> > <tomorrowerolsdot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 25, 9:17 am, Mark B <mark_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 24, 10:33 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > > > Is it not interesting that the masses wander about scratching their
> > > > > ample butts while accepting the
> > > > > theft of their money?
>
> > > > > ted
>
> > > > Actually, It's $2,333.33 if you figure $700B / 300M people.
>
> > > Except not all 300M are taxpayers. Something like 120M file tax
> > > returns, but of those, only about 80M actually PAY taxes (other than
> > > FICA and Medicare). Still, that only works out to $8,750 per
> > > taxpayer. Of course, it probably won't end at $700 billion, either.
>
> > > Don't worry, though, the government has printing presses. And they
> > > can, if need be, run them in triple shifts.
>
> > Maybe we can just hit China up for another loan.
>
> > Meantime, we should obviously cut taxe RATEs in the upper
> > income brackets again so that still more prosperity will
> > trickle down on the rest of us.
>
> (fixed that for you)
>
> Nah, we should just increase the taxes on the top 10% of wage earners
> so that they are paying 95% of the total tax burden instead of 46% as
> they do now. Then 90% of the people would get a 100% tax rebate,
> every year! Bet those folks would vote Democrat!
Ya frikkin communistic wealth sharer !!
I sure don't see any need to change any formula that's
worked so well over the last eight years.
== 14 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 1:03 pm
From: clams_casino
Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
>
>I sure don't see any need to change any formula that's
>worked so well over the last eight years.
>
>
Now that's funny. A real comic.
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 8:45 am
From: George
Jim Redelfs wrote:
> In article <slrngimnp2.9h9.don@manx.misty.com>,
> don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
>
>> I see sanity rather than insanity to buy a couple power strips
>> to chip down electric bill by $2 per month!
>
> That's not "insane".
>
> Instead, I PREFER to spend that $2/month rather than have to remember to
> close the power strip switch every time I wish to watch TV or use
> whatever else is connected to the power strip - that used to be
> connected full-time and available without second thought. That is the
> price I willingly pay for such convenience.
>
>> I also see how such contention of mine does not dispute need
>> to reduce energy consumption in "more major" areas!
>
> How about "reduce INCREASING energy consumption"?
>
> Conservation will not actually REDUCE the level of consumption. It will
> only reduce the INCREASE and, perhaps unfortunately, not by much.
But lots of folks think otherwise. Thats just your rationalization as to
why waste is OK.
>
> Also, the "need" to reduce is debatable.
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 9:42 am
From: Dave Garland
Don Klipstein wrote:
> Many apartment buildings forbid outdoor clothes drying. If I was
> very severely frugal in such places, I would use indoor clotheslines when
> temperature and humidity are favorable for such.
In the heating season, the humidity from such indoor drying is
beneficial. There are also inexpensive folding wooden drying racks
which work well so long as you do not generate massive quantities of
damp laundry at one time. In my experience, a large folding rack can
dry a moderate machine-load of laundry, so long as it does not include
more than one sheet.
Assuming one has space to set a rack up without it being in the way,
they're no more work than a power dryer, although it may take a day for
the load to dry.
Dave
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 10:04 am
From: Dave Garland
Jim Redelfs wrote:
> In article <slrngik9fg.2cu.don@manx.misty.com>,
> don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
>
>> toasters (virtually 100% efficient, BTW)
>
>> At what?
>
> Heating.
It very much depends on exactly what you mean by "efficient". It is
true that virtually 100% of the energy used for resistance heating is
converted to heat.
But it is also true that using the same amount of energy to run, say, a
heat pump, will deliver significantly more heat. That doesn't make heat
pumps more than 100% efficient (they're not).
It is also true that you can generate more heat by directly using the
same quantity of natural gas as was used to produce the energy, even
though the typical gas furnace is probably not more than 90% efficient.
Dave
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 10:20 am
From: Dave Garland
Red Green wrote:
> Probably cost a fortune to make refrigs that could use piped in air from
> outside. And the further south you are the longer the ROI breakeven.
Yes. I've been thinking of doing that for the last 40 years. It would
work best if you could build the refrigerator into the house (think
walk-in cooler, but smaller, or the undercounter fridges found in bars).
You'd need a fan to circulate outside (cold) air in, and dampers to
close off from the outside, and a controller to regulate the dampers &
fan and switch to powered refrigeration when the outside temperature is
warmer than refrigerator-interior temperature. Ditto for the freezer,
though even in Minnesota there isn't that long a period when outside
temperature stays below 0 degrees F. (But outside air could be used to
cool the coils of the powered refrigeration and increase its
efficiency.) For that (in Minnesota) you could avoid much of the
refrigeration energy for maybe 3 months, and get some unknown
improvement most of the rest of the year.
One side benefit is that if you're building the fridge, you're not
constrained to fitting insulation within a thin metal shell, you can
insulate as much as you want. The dampers and the door would be the
parts that were harder to insulate.
But it does sound like a lot of work to accomplish.
Dave
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 11:23 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Sam E <no.email@all.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Sam E <no.email@all.invalid> wrote
>>> Maybe you've never heard of "switching regulators",
>> Fraid so.
>>> but I have a lot.
>>> The AC-to-AC converter allows a smaller, lighter transformer
>>> (which I expect draws less power with 0 load)..
>> You dont know they are AC to AC.
> Power to the wall-wart is AC.
Yes.
> The load on that converter is a transformer, which REQUIRES AC. A transformer will not work with DC.
Doesnt mean that the wallwart is AC to AC overall, most of them
are AC to DC overall and you dont have to have a transformer in it.
>>> Perhaps you mistake "low power" for "no power".
>> I never said anything about no power.
> The quote I responded to is "They dont have any transformer that uses power all the time". That's the "no power".
Nope.
> After writing that I realized that the transformer could be eliminated
> by operating the voltage regulator on line voltage (possibly practical
> with a switching regulator). That would eliminate the transformer,
Precisely.
> as well as the (input / output) isolation which is required for safety.
That doesnt have to be done with a transformer.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 9:31 am
From: "Lou"
"Gary Indiana" <goaway@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:ocydnS6X75MUjbHUnZ2dnUVZ_s_inZ2d@supernews.com...
> On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:06:14 -0500, Evelyn Leeper wrote:
>
>> NoSpamForMe@LousyISP.gov wrote:
>>> Patricia Martin Steward <patstew@noteranews.com> wrote:
>>>> single-serve coffee brewer - $200 (my four-cup Mr. Coffee cost $14.99)
>>>
>>> And if you happen to be a yuppie rushing off to his power job raping
>>> the economy what use are the other 3 cups? Let's also not forget that
>>> these "single serve" items are puck machines so the speed of making
>>> that one cup vastly exceeds your el-cheapo anachronism... "Mr. Coffee"
>>> indeed!
>>
>> I find that my Melitta cone with reusable filter works fine and doesn't
>> cost anywhere near $200.
>
> Gotcha' both beat. For coffee I heat a cup of water in the microwave and
> add a spoon of freeze-dried coffee. For espresso I add two extra spoons
> and for cappuccino I add two more on top of that and float some cool-whip
> on the top.
Yeah, but while you could maybe stretch a point and call the first a cup of
coffee, by no means is this espresso or cappuccino.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 12:37 pm
From: Gary Indiana
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:31:54 -0500, Lou wrote:
> "Gary Indiana" <goaway@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ocydnS6X75MUjbHUnZ2dnUVZ_s_inZ2d@supernews.com...
>> On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:06:14 -0500, Evelyn Leeper wrote:
>>
>>> NoSpamForMe@LousyISP.gov wrote:
>>>> Patricia Martin Steward <patstew@noteranews.com> wrote:
>>>>> single-serve coffee brewer - $200 (my four-cup Mr. Coffee cost
>>>>> $14.99)
>>>>
>>>> And if you happen to be a yuppie rushing off to his power job raping
>>>> the economy what use are the other 3 cups? Let's also not forget that
>>>> these "single serve" items are puck machines so the speed of making
>>>> that one cup vastly exceeds your el-cheapo anachronism... "Mr.
>>>> Coffee" indeed!
>>>
>>> I find that my Melitta cone with reusable filter works fine and
>>> doesn't cost anywhere near $200.
>>
>> Gotcha' both beat. For coffee I heat a cup of water in the microwave
>> and add a spoon of freeze-dried coffee. For espresso I add two extra
>> spoons and for cappuccino I add two more on top of that and float some
>> cool-whip on the top.
>
> Yeah, but while you could maybe stretch a point and call the first a cup
> of coffee, by no means is this espresso or cappuccino.
Nonsense. It produces the very same vibrations and color fringes.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 1:13 pm
From: "tombates@city-net.com"
We keep our house temperature at 58, and my wife wants the bedroom
window open even if it is 10 degrees outside. I have been hit with
snow in my face a number of times, because I sleep next to the window.
My wife says "I thought you enjoyed sking. 58 makes me wear a long
shirt, socks and sweat pants, but I have not missed a day of work in
thirty years for being ill.
Tom
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TOPIC: Substitute for Pepsi
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 1:16 pm
From: "tombates@city-net.com"
Pepsi is my one sin. I was wondering if there is a less expensive
substitute. I can easily tell the different between coke and pepsi.
Pepsi is not as sweet, and it seems to have more carbonation. I like
their 24 oz bottles. In the area I live there is Fago brand, but the
rest are house brands.
Tom
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 1:20 pm
From: Seerialmom
On Nov 25, 1:16 pm, "tomba...@city-net.com" <tomba...@city-net.com>
wrote:
> Pepsi is my one sin. I was wondering if there is a less expensive
> substitute. I can easily tell the different between coke and pepsi.
> Pepsi is not as sweet, and it seems to have more carbonation. I like
> their 24 oz bottles. In the area I live there is Fago brand, but the
> rest are house brands.
>
> Tom
I didn't mind RC Cola when there wasn't Pepsi nearby. I'm also a
"Pepsi" sinner so I understand your question. Also thought Shasta was
ok as I recall.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 1:16 pm
From: Vic Smith
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 03:26:26 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) wrote:
>In article <mhhmi45idg9nl26o75uvl7qnbiheocd5a5@4ax.com>, Vic Smith wrote:
>>On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:15:46 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
>>Klipstein) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <ggetu3$t94$1@aioe.org>, h wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"tyuj" <tyuj@apam.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:6p09ksF5jufhU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>> "tyuj" appears to me to be Rod Speed.
>>
>>Ya think?
>>Hope that's not a pig ignorant lie.
>>If so Your problem.
>
> Do you oppose exposure of tactics of Rod Speed? I suspect you know some
>of that sub-troll's tactics and strategies that are merely a step or so
>above tactics...
>
> I hope you remain well above that sub-troll while saying one of the
>sub-troll's favorite phrases!
>
Of course I mean well.
Wait....that might be a pig ignorant lie.
Sub-troll? Never even thought of that one.
--Vic
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