Frugal Living: Aug 24, 2010

Tuesday, August 24, 2010

misc.consumers.frugal-living - 25 new messages in 12 topics - digest

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TOPIC: Recipe
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 8:59 pm
From: The Real Bev

On 08/23/10 18:07, MAS wrote:

> On 8/23/2010 1:31 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> BLASPHEMY! It just hit me that the discussion involves putting chocolate
>> chips in oatmeal cookies. WRONGWRONGWRONG! You put raisins and walnuts
>> in oatmeal cookies, and you follow the recipe on the Quaker package.
>> NEVER chocolate chips.
>>
>> Chocolate chip cookies are completely different and should NOT be made
>> with oatmeal. I think I'd use semi-sweet chocolate AND toasted almonds
>> in CC cookies.
>
> What better way to get the best of both cookies? DH doesn't like
> walnuts and I don't like raisins, so we looked for a recipe with
> chocolate chips. There are tons of them out there. Yummy!

This may be a religious issue, in which case there is no REAL solution.
Perhaps you can make one big batch of cookie dough, divide it into
parts, and add raisins to one, chocolate chips to another, etc. Then
there would be no "YOU ATE THE LAST COOKIE!" issues.

I think the recipe on the package of Toll House morsels (or whatever the
hell they call them) is that gold standard for CCC.

--
Cheers, Bev
It's not the speed that kills, it's the stopping.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 9:18 am
From: MAS

On 8/23/2010 11:59 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> This may be a religious issue, in which case there is no REAL solution.
> Perhaps you can make one big batch of cookie dough, divide it into
> parts, and add raisins to one, chocolate chips to another, etc. Then
> there would be no "YOU ATE THE LAST COOKIE!" issues.

Well, I just won't offer you any, since it's against your religion...

> I think the recipe on the package of Toll House morsels (or whatever the
> hell they call them) is that gold standard for CCC.
>

Agreed - the best CCC in the world.

Marsha

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 11:47 am
From: Susan Bugher

The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 8/23/2010 1:31 PM, The Real Bev wrote:

>>> BLASPHEMY! It just hit me that the discussion involves putting
>>> chocolate
>>> chips in oatmeal cookies. WRONGWRONGWRONG! You put raisins and walnuts
>>> in oatmeal cookies, and you follow the recipe on the Quaker package.
>>> NEVER chocolate chips.

> This may be a religious issue, in which case there is no REAL solution.
> Perhaps you can make one big batch of cookie dough, divide it into
> parts, and add raisins to one, chocolate chips to another, etc. Then
> there would be no "YOU ATE THE LAST COOKIE!" issues.
>
> I think the recipe on the package of Toll House morsels (or whatever the
> hell they call them) is that gold standard for CCC.

re "BLASPHEMY!", "religious issue" and "gold standard" ISTM there are
more appropriate newsgroups if you want to have a "best cookie" war. ;)

Wikipedia has a history and an alternate history of the chocolate chip
cookie.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chocolate_chip_cookie>

and this web page claims the recipe it's showing is for the "Original
Nestle® Toll House® Chocolate Chip Cookies".
<http://allrecipes.com//Recipe/original-nestle-toll-house-chocolate-chip-cookies/Detail.aspx>

re frugal-living: skip the nuts, use half the amount of chocolate chips
if you want to cut costs. You may or may not like the variation better
than the original recipe. . .

FWIW I like this fairly frugal recipe for "Chocolate Chip Oatmeal
Cookies" from Woman's Day.

yield: 4 trays of 20 (about 6 doz.) (amounts given are for double the
original recipe)
375 F for 12 minutes - greased cookie sheet

Cream together:
1 c. butter or margerine
1 1/2 c. packed brown sugar

Beat in:
2 eggs

Stir in:
2 1/2 c. quick cooking oatmeal
1 1/2 c. flour
1 1/2 tsp. baking soda
1 c. chocolate chips (1 c.=6 oz.)

Drop on greased cookie sheet and bake.

Susan
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== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 3:17 pm
From: Dennis

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:59:56 -0700, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

>I think the recipe on the package of Toll House morsels (or whatever the
>hell they call them) is that gold standard for CCC.

Agreed, and no ingredient substitutions allowed! Follow the recipe to
the letter. And when they are done, enjoy your cookies with a nice
hoppy IPA to wash them down. mmm...
Dennis (evil)
--
I'm behind the eight ball, ahead of the curve, riding the wave,
dodging the bullet and pushing the envelope. -George Carlin

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TOPIC: property tax appeal denied
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 3:22 am
From: Ohioguy

> STFU and pay what you owe!

See, that's the thing - as a frugal person, is it better to just "pay
what you owe", or to challenge your taxes when you find out you're
paying about a 28% higher rate than your neighbor?

My neighbor has a house that roughly matches ours - built 1 year
later, square footage within 100 feet, same # bedrooms, same condition,
etc. Yet she is paying quite a bit less on her taxes than everyone else
on the street.

And yesterday, I found out why. I was helping her in her back yard,
and somehow the topic came up. Turns out she just successfully
challenged her taxes back in April - which is why she has the lowest
taxes around.

I guess you could look at it two ways. Either feel bad that she's
"not paying her fair share", or else take the tea party approach, like
our ancestors did. Yes, our whole country exists in part due to a
desire to minimize taxation.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 5:02 am
From: Napoleon

On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 06:22:22 -0400, Ohioguy <none@none.net> wrote:

> See, that's the thing - as a frugal person, is it better to just "pay
>what you owe", or to challenge your taxes when you find out you're
>paying about a 28% higher rate than your neighbor?

Apparently in the "new century" USA, you STFU and pay what the
Fatherland tells you to.

> And yesterday, I found out why. I was helping her in her back yard,
>and somehow the topic came up. Turns out she just successfully
>challenged her taxes back in April - which is why she has the lowest
>taxes around.

Bingo! That's why we are appealing our assessment. See, they always
jack up assessments on new houses that are built. When we went to the
useless and senile town board to complain ALL the people there were
new construction. That's why your neighbor appealed, she had just
built a house.

> I guess you could look at it two ways. Either feel bad that she's
>"not paying her fair share", or else take the tea party approach, like
>our ancestors did. Yes, our whole country exists in part due to a
>desire to minimize taxation.

Nah, it's a new century! Pay what you owe dude! The only thing is WE
WILL TELL YOU WHAT YOU OWE! There is no such thing as fair taxation,
any taxation is fair in 2000 America. Get with the program!

Anyways, next year I'm going to start my own business and file tax
appeals for all my neighbors when the assessments are jacked up from
the stupid tax assessor. My neighbors are so stupid, they don't have a
clue how to fill out the paperwork and find comps. This will be a
great business, and I'll be able to piss off the local government too.

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TOPIC: SSN for Job Applications
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 4:54 am
From: Napoleon

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:51:30 -0700 (PDT), tmclone
<tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote:

>Well, duh. My DH is a computer-nerd contractor, and his
>"pimp" (consulting agency) provides his SSN EVERY SIN GLE time his
>resume is submitted to ANYONE If you refuse to supply that, you will
>NEVER, EVER get hired ANYWHERE. Wake up and smell the new century,
>dude. Seriously.

Oh well. Then I'll never be hired. Fine. I'll start my own business.
You can have your new century. I'll stay back in the old one. I
thought "being a good little German" was so 1940's. It appears "being
a good little American" is sooooo 2000's! Yippee! Dudette. Seriously.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 10:15 am
From: Cindy Hamilton

On Aug 23, 5:07 pm, rvanson <rvan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:12:16 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>
> <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Aug 13, 1:44 am, rvanson <rvan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> There is a company called Hireright that is a huge datbase for
> >> informtaion on many individuals.
>
> >> Once you are on the database your info is almost impossible to have
> >> removed or altered. Welcome to the Brave New World of the USSA.
>
> >However, in this case it's free enterprise compiling the database, so
> >your reference to the USSA (parallel to USSR, I assume) is
> >somewhat off the mark.
>
> Does it really matter?
>
> Do you think the FBI, the CIA and the NSA dont have databases on US
> citisens as well?

Possibly. That's irrelevant to the issue of Hireright, which is a
private
company.

I'm trying to figure out what those three federal agencies would have
about me in a database. The fact that I had a speeding ticket
about 12 years ago? The fact that I once looked at Al Jazeera
online just to see what it was like? Google is probably more of
a threat to my privacy than the NSA.

I apparently didn't get the gene for paranoia. I just don't care
what's in my FBI file (if I have one).

Cindy Hamilton

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 10:19 am
From: Cindy Hamilton

On Aug 23, 5:19 pm, rvanson <rvan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:14:19 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>
>
>
>
>
> <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Aug 13, 1:41 am, rvanson <rvan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 08:19:23 -0500, Napoleon <ana...@666yes.net>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >More and more people are asking for your social security number when
> >> >you fill out a job application. I always decline and write "upon hire"
> >> >instead.
>
> >> >I remember in the 80's and early 90's that the SSN was only given
> >> >after you were hired to prove that you could work in the USA (of
> >> >course other forms of ID could be used instead). I believe it's
> >> >illegal to ask for the SSN on a job application - what use is it? A
> >> >job application is not a credit check, which supposedly safeguards
> >> >sensitive info such as SSNs. A job application is just a sheet of
> >> >paper anyone can get their hands on. I don't trust giving out my SSN
> >> >to just anyone for no reason.
>
> >> >Of course all the jobs where I declined to give my SSN I was not hired
> >> >for. Could be a coincidence, or not.
>
> >> No, its not coincedence at all.
>
> >> The USA has been forming into a neo-fascist police state since before
> >> 9/11. I was asked to show the management my SS card to add on an
> >> application to rent an apartment a while back.
>
> >That does not make the USA a police state. That was a purely
> >private transaction. You are free to rent from someone who does not
> >need your social security card.
>
> Those places are becoming fewer in number each day.
>
> >> They also wanted my drivers license wanted to copy the documents on
> >> the spot along with my personal check so they could have my bank
> >> account number too. Needless to say I declined to give them that
> >> information.
>
> >Which proves that there is still quite a lot of freedom here.
>
> What freedom? I didn't complete the transaction did I?

And you had the freedom to not complete the transaction.

> >> There is little privacy to be had in the US anymore, sadly enough.
>
> >> Its next to impossible to do anything without all manner of checks.
> >> Some companies are taking hair samples to drug test before hiring. It
> >> wont be long till they want DNA samples just like in the sci-fi movie,
> >> "Gattica" and that was made before 9/11 and the Bush regime.
>
> >Which also has nothing to do wiht the government. You can blame
> >the private sector for all of this.
>
> The private sector and the public sector are joined at the hip.

What is your evidence for this?

> Private businesses must comply with ever increasing state and federal
> laws or be fined, closed down, imprisoned.

Which laws in particular concern you? I can't imagine
you're opposed to health inspections for restaurants.

> Perhaps the word Fascism is more suiting to you then the word Police
> State?

I think you should get a breath of fresh air and realize that the
government really can't find its butt with both hands and a
flashlight.

Cindy Hamilton

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TOPIC: a frugal Veterinarian ?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 6:17 am
From: VFW

I would call first and see how much they charge for a Rabies shot.
We checked around. the shot itself costs the Vet. about $1.65
A "Shot Clinic" charges about $11 for a cat. Others charged $22,
appointment necessary. And one wanted $50 .
Now, guess who really cares about making pet care affordable and guess
who is just plain greedy. Assuming other charges reflect their
philosophy .
--
Money! What a concept.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 9:42 am
From: Millhaven

On Aug 24, 6:17 am, VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:
> I would call first and see how much they charge for a Rabies shot.
> We checked around. the shot itself costs the Vet. about $1.65
> A "Shot Clinic" charges about $11 for a cat. Others charged $22,
> appointment necessary. And one wanted $50 .
> Now, guess who really cares about making pet care affordable and guess
> who is just plain greedy. Assuming other charges reflect their
> philosophy .
> --
> Money! What a concept.

Business have a lot of overhead.

And I don't know why many poor people insist on keeping pets, they are
expensive.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 3:04 pm
From: Al

On Aug 24, 9:17 am, VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:
> I would call first and see how much they charge for a Rabies shot.
> We checked around. the shot itself costs the Vet. about $1.65
> A "Shot Clinic" charges about $11 for a cat. Others charged $22,
> appointment necessary. And one wanted $50 .
> Now, guess who really cares about making pet care affordable and guess
> who is just plain greedy. Assuming other charges reflect their
> philosophy .
> --
> Money! What a concept.

I guess the $50 place does not cater to the mobile home crowd. They
keep their price high enough to discourage the masses. They seek to
end up with a higher class of client and pet. It's not their mission
to make pet care affordable to you.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 3:11 pm
From: George

On 8/24/2010 9:17 AM, VFW wrote:
> I would call first and see how much they charge for a Rabies shot.
> We checked around. the shot itself costs the Vet. about $1.65
> A "Shot Clinic" charges about $11 for a cat. Others charged $22,
> appointment necessary. And one wanted $50 .
> Now, guess who really cares about making pet care affordable and guess
> who is just plain greedy. Assuming other charges reflect their
> philosophy .

Talk about jumping to conclusions and bashing folks. In my area the doc
who is behind the clinic and offers his time for free to them also has a
normal practice where he charges to cover his education, expenses and to
feed himself and his family...

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TOPIC: See Hot Sexy Star *Angelina Jolie* Nude Bathing Videos In All Angles
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 6:18 am
From: sukanya

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Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 6:22 am
From: RAMYA

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TOPIC: Eyewitness account of an 8-year old Girl
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 8:33 am
From: N G1law

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 9:28 am
From: "Edward Dolan"

"Cindy Hamilton" <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bad51dc4-674c-47e8-8344-c6e4154ebd50@x25g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 23, 12:41 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
[...]
> TM is a poor crazy bastard who just posts on his one favorite subject -
> hatred of motor vehicles because they interfere with his use of the roads.

>> Ironically, if it weren't for cars, there wouldn't be good roads for
him
to ride on.

> His other favorite subject is attacking Christianity. If you respond to
> this
> poor crazy bastard, then you are a poor crazy bastard too.

>> Yet you replied to him. And I'm replying to you.

I am only doing copy and paste with him. He is not worth anything more. Or
do you like to engage someone who only talks to himself? If so, are you
perhaps a psychiatrist?

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 10:39 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Aug 24, 9:28 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "Cindy Hamilton" <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:bad51dc4-674c-47e8-8344-c6e4154ebd50@x25g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 23, 12:41 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> [...]
>
> > TM is a poor crazy bastard who just posts on his one favorite subject -
> > hatred of motor vehicles because they interfere with his use of the roads.
> >> Ironically, if it weren't for cars, there wouldn't be good roads for
>
> him
> to ride on.
>
> > His other favorite subject is attacking Christianity. If you respond to
> > this
> > poor crazy bastard, then you are a poor crazy bastard too.
> >> Yet you replied to him. And I'm replying to you.
>
> I am only doing copy and paste with him. He is not worth anything more. Or
> do you like to engage someone who only talks to himself? If so, are you
> perhaps a psychiatrist?
>

Sorry, I forgot to mention I talk to Buddha in many of these dialogs.
He reincarnated in a Monk Parrot that I own and tells me how to deal
with the human zoo.

You know the situation in the zoo, right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3AAdkfiamU&feature=search

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 11:21 am
From: "Edward Dolan"

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock"
<nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ce77eedb-c45f-428b-803e-6bf0fbc4a00b@q22g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 24, 9:28 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
[...]
> I am only doing copy and paste with him. He is not worth anything more. Or
> do you like to engage someone who only talks to himself? If so, are you
> perhaps a psychiatrist?

Sorry, I forgot to mention I talk to Buddha in many of these dialogs.
He reincarnated in a Monk Parrot that I own and tells me how to deal
with the human zoo.

You know the situation in the zoo, right?
[...]

I am fed up with your animal metaphors. How about I liken you to your god
damn fucking monkeys myself? Yea, I think you are really into monkeys. What
is there about them makes you want to fornicate with them? I think the rest
of us would like to know about the depths of your depravity.

And your attacks on Christianity are truly mind boggling. How would an idiot
like you know anything about anything so abstract as religion. You are
strictly a concrete knower, one who knows about monkey asses and penises and
not much else.

If there is a God, let us hope that He will consign you to Hell from whence
you came. Yea, I pray every day that some motorist there in Florida will
take you out of your misery. And the sooner the better!

Fucking Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 2:53 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Aug 24, 12:42 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <ilbeba...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Aug 24, 1:23 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
> Movement of Tantra-Hammock & the Stationary Bicycle to burn the
>
>
>
> calories" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > (These jungle/animalistic metaphors are to replace the old fashion
> > ones --Adam, Eve, the talking serpent-- that teach you little about
> > the real world. I owe a lot to Orwell, whose animalistic visions I
> > share)
>
> > On Aug 24, 9:28 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>
> > > "Cindy Hamilton" <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:bad51dc4-674c-47e8-8344-c6e4154ebd50@x25g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Aug 23, 12:41 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> > > [...]
>
> > > > TM is a poor crazy bastard who just posts on his one favorite subject -
> > > > hatred of motor vehicles because they interfere with his use of the roads.
> > > >> Ironically, if it weren't for cars, there wouldn't be good roads for
>
> > > him
> > > to ride on.
>
> > > > His other favorite subject is attacking Christianity. If you respond to
> > > > this
> > > > poor crazy bastard, then you are a poor crazy bastard too.
> > > >> Yet you replied to him. And I'm replying to you.
>
> > > I am only doing copy and paste with him. He is not worth anything more. Or
> > > do you like to engage someone who only talks to himself? If so, are you
> > > perhaps a psychiatrist?
>
> > Sorry, I forgot to mention I talk to Buddha in many of these dialogs.
> > He reincarnated in a Monk Parrot that I own and tells me how to deal
> > with the human zoo.
>
> > You know the situation in the zoo, right?
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3AAdkfiamU&feature=search
>
> > -------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> > "We need space"
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION-Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> From the Goo to the Zoo to You ? Sure im familiar with the fairy
> tale having air brushed pictures in grade school textbooks. I
> especially like the little smiley face on the tiny One cell Pond Scum
> Protozoa.......makes it look so personable and life-like !

I'm talking those closer to us like rats and monkeys. My little zoo
includes: 5 parakeets, 1 monk/quaker parrot, 1 mouse, and I want to
get a rat but my girlfriend doesn't want to hear about it.

From those I can figure out 90% of human nature, except WHY humans
have lost their COMMON SENSE & NATURAL CURIOSITY...

It must be religion.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 1:36 pm
From: vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com

I have repeatedly found insurance policies (starting with my own) that
were set up to insure the entire property and not just the house.

Furthermore, given today's steel stud construction, building a new
house can be a lot cheaper than it used to be. If the parts are computer
machined, a new house might even cost less in terms of labor than
fixing an old one.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 1:41 pm
From: vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com

They used to make those screw posts (first with a metal coil screw
then with a plastic screw). I have thousands of books in the basement
in such cases, draped with thick sheet plastic flaps to keep out the
dust. The newer case (with plastic posts but also longer shelves) has
warped a bit. My local lumber yard (the same one we got them from in
the 1960s and 1970s) insists these ar eno longer available. Some of
those posts were nice enough that we made a small partition for my
piano out such posts with marble shelves and stained it nicely.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 1:49 pm
From: vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com

I like the milk crates because they also serve as bookends.

When I used to work in cubicle land I collected xerox paper boxes as
shelf liners. I would keep my stuff in these boxes and put the boxes
on my shelves. Every six months there was a reorg, so we had to move,
so I just stacked my boxes on a wheeled chair and was in my new
cubicle faster than anyone else. But I usually did this on a Friday
afternnon, after cleaning my new cubicle with Fantastik.

Also, when in grad school, I kept journals and xeroxed stuff in xerox
boxes held together with fencing wire, stacked about three high. But
after about three yers it started to collapse and I threw them all
out. Now they are in pdf files.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 1:58 pm
From: vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com

I realised when a wholesaler opened near me that I was turning my
house into a warehouse and a lot of stuff spoiled before I used
it. Even when you "saved" money, sometimes you didn't if you figured
in the storage and spoilage costs. But I also noticed some smaller
stores near apartment buildings were buyingthe 12-packs, and reselling
them at double the per unit cost. But apartment dwellers didn't have
the space to store the 12-packs.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 3:13 pm
From: Al

On Aug 22, 10:30 pm, ghes...@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston) wrote:
> Apparently, based upon my experience yesterday, using Lysol spray in
> a fairly small (~10' x 10') room and leaving the door closed can
> trigger carbon monoxide detectors.
>
> I had one start alarming and another showing screwy readings (there is
> no possible CO source in the house at the moment). As to what the longer
> term effect on the detectors will be (some require sensor replacement
> after too much exposure) I don't know.
>
> The Lysol was used to treat a section of wall about 6' long and 2' high
> on an exterior wall that the bed is generally touching or very close
> to. It's also a north wall, so cooler than normal and this tends to
> cause mildew to form.
>
> Not sure what the interaction is, but I'm probably going to get a new
> CO detector before this fall...
>
> Gary
>
> --
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>
> If you want to reduce the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere,
> go plant trees.

If the co sensor is sensitive enough to detect it, you certainly want
to restrict your breathing of the Lysol as well.

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* SSN for Job Applications - 7 messages, 3 authors
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* Why is Costco WHOLESALE sometimes more expensive then RETAIL stores? - 1
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 2:07 pm
From: rvanson

On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:12:16 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
<angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Aug 13, 1:44 am, rvanson <rvan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> There is a company called Hireright that is a huge datbase for
>> informtaion on many individuals.
>>
>> Once you are on the database your info is almost impossible to have
>> removed or altered. Welcome to the Brave New World of the USSA.
>
>However, in this case it's free enterprise compiling the database, so
>your reference to the USSA (parallel to USSR, I assume) is
>somewhat off the mark.

Does it really matter?

Do you think the FBI, the CIA and the NSA dont have databases on US
citisens as well?

Those are all government agencies like the KGB was to the USSR.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 2:09 pm
From: rvanson

On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 14:46:57 -0700, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 08/12/10 22:44, rvanson wrote:
>
>> They are doing alot more then that.
>>
>> There is a company called Hireright that is a huge datbase for
>> informtaion on many individuals.
>>
>> Once you are on the database your info is almost impossible to have
>> removed or altered. Welcome to the Brave New World of the USSA.
>
>Perhaps the US could earn money by renting out the FBI database. Or
>maybe they already have...

Its the information age. If one wants something erased I suppose
finding the right people to do it would be possible but it would cost
some real change and prison time it cuaght.

Welcome to the Brave New World Order.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 2:19 pm
From: rvanson

On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:14:19 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
<angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Aug 13, 1:41 am, rvanson <rvan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 08:19:23 -0500, Napoleon <ana...@666yes.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >More and more people are asking for your social security number when
>> >you fill out a job application. I always decline and write "upon hire"
>> >instead.
>>
>> >I remember in the 80's and early 90's that the SSN was only given
>> >after you were hired to prove that you could work in the USA (of
>> >course other forms of ID could be used instead). I believe it's
>> >illegal to ask for the SSN on a job application - what use is it? A
>> >job application is not a credit check, which supposedly safeguards
>> >sensitive info such as SSNs. A job application is just a sheet of
>> >paper anyone can get their hands on. I don't trust giving out my SSN
>> >to just anyone for no reason.
>>
>> >Of course all the jobs where I declined to give my SSN I was not hired
>> >for. Could be a coincidence, or not.
>>
>> No, its not coincedence at all.
>>
>> The USA has been forming into a neo-fascist police state since before
>> 9/11. I was asked to show the management my SS card to add on an
>> application to rent an apartment a while back.
>
>That does not make the USA a police state. That was a purely
>private transaction. You are free to rent from someone who does not
>need your social security card.

Those places are becoming fewer in number each day.

>> They also wanted my drivers license wanted to copy the documents on
>> the spot along with my personal check so they could have my bank
>> account number too. Needless to say I declined to give them that
>> information.
>
>Which proves that there is still quite a lot of freedom here.

What freedom? I didn't complete the transaction did I?

>> There is little privacy to be had in the US anymore, sadly enough.
>>
>> Its next to impossible to do anything without all manner of checks.
>> Some companies are taking hair samples to drug test before hiring. It
>> wont be long till they want DNA samples just like in the sci-fi movie,
>> "Gattica" and that was made before 9/11 and the Bush regime.
>
>Which also has nothing to do wiht the government. You can blame
>the private sector for all of this.

The private sector and the public sector are joined at the hip.

Private businesses must comply with ever increasing state and federal
laws or be fined, closed down, imprisoned.

Perhaps the word Fascism is more suiting to you then the word Police
State?

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 2:47 pm
From: tmclone

On Aug 11, 9:19 am, Napoleon <ana...@666yes.net> wrote:
> More and more people are asking for your social security number when
> you fill out a job application. I always decline and write "upon hire"
> instead.
>
> I remember in the 80's and early 90's that the SSN was only given
> after you were hired to prove that you could work in the USA (of
> course other forms of ID could be used instead). I believe it's
> illegal to ask for the SSN on a job application - what use is it? A
> job application is not a credit check, which supposedly safeguards
> sensitive info such as SSNs. A job application is just a sheet of
> paper anyone can get their hands on. I don't trust giving out my SSN
> to just anyone for no reason.
>
> Of course all the jobs where I declined to give my SSN I was not hired
> for. Could be a coincidence, or not.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 2:51 pm
From: tmclone

On Aug 11, 9:19 am, Napoleon <ana...@666yes.net> wrote:
>
> Of course all the jobs where I declined to give my SSN I was not hired
> for. Could be a coincidence, or not.

Well, duh. My DH is a computer-nerd contractor, and his
"pimp" (consulting agency) provides his SSN EVERY SIN GLE time his
resume is submitted to ANYONE If you refuse to supply that, you will
NEVER, EVER get hired ANYWHERE. Wake up and smell the new century,
dude. Seriously.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 8:22 pm
From: Lady Veteran

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:47:37 -0700 (PDT), tmclone
<tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote:

>On Aug 11, 9:19 am, Napoleon <ana...@666yes.net> wrote:
>> More and more people are asking for your social security number when
>> you fill out a job application. I always decline and write "upon hire"
>> instead.
>>
>> I remember in the 80's and early 90's that the SSN was only given
>> after you were hired to prove that you could work in the USA (of
>> course other forms of ID could be used instead). I believe it's
>> illegal to ask for the SSN on a job application - what use is it? A
>> job application is not a credit check, which supposedly safeguards
>> sensitive info such as SSNs. A job application is just a sheet of
>> paper anyone can get their hands on. I don't trust giving out my SSN
>> to just anyone for no reason.
>>
>> Of course all the jobs where I declined to give my SSN I was not hired
>> for. Could be a coincidence, or not.

SSN are being used for background checks and to verify citizenship. I
don't think you were rejected by accident.

Thank all the idiots who fake ID and college degrees and US
citizenship.

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== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 8:25 pm
From: Lady Veteran

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:51:30 -0700 (PDT), tmclone
<tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote:

>On Aug 11, 9:19 am, Napoleon <ana...@666yes.net> wrote:
>>
>> Of course all the jobs where I declined to give my SSN I was not hired
>> for. Could be a coincidence, or not.
>
>Well, duh. My DH is a computer-nerd contractor, and his
>"pimp" (consulting agency) provides his SSN EVERY SIN GLE time his
>resume is submitted to ANYONE If you refuse to supply that, you will
>NEVER, EVER get hired ANYWHERE. Wake up and smell the new century,
>dude. Seriously.

Watch the pimp stuff, lady. Most consulting agencies make very little
($20.00 and under) per hour of the people they place and that is a
GROSS margin. Out of that comes benefits, taxes, etc until the profit
margin is about $3.00 per consultant per hour.

Hardly a pimp's profit.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 2:11 pm
From: rvanson

On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 20:41:54 -0700, "Bill"
<billnomailnospamx@yahoo.com> wrote:

>"www.Queensbridge.us" wrote in message
>> Bought some mangoes in Jackson Height Queens.
>>
>> Same brand is more then DOUBLE the price if you buy them Costco
>> "wholesale"!
>>
>> How come?
>>
>> I noticed other things that the wholesale price at Costco is more
>> expensive then retail stores.
>
>Why? Because people can't add. Also because there is a sucker born every
>minute.
>
COSTCO and SAMS are not worth the 50 bucks and waiting in line for an
hour.

== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 5:39 pm
From: The Real Bev

On 08/23/10 11:41, Derald wrote:

>
> The Real Bev<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>BLASPHEMY! It just hit me that the discussion involves putting
>>chocolate chips in oatmeal cookies. WRONGWRONGWRONG! You put raisins
>>and walnuts in oatmeal cookies, and you follow the recipe on the Quaker
>>package. NEVER chocolate chips.
>>
>>Chocolate chip cookies are completely different and should NOT be made
>>with oatmeal. I think I'd use semi-sweet chocolate AND toasted almonds
>>in CC cookies.
> Thank you for that. I thought I was the only one mystified.
> Although, I do have some questions about the almonds....

Chocolate is good, right? And it's better with toasted almonds...

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== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 6:07 pm
From: MAS

On 8/23/2010 1:31 PM, The Real Bev wrote:

> BLASPHEMY! It just hit me that the discussion involves putting chocolate
> chips in oatmeal cookies. WRONGWRONGWRONG! You put raisins and walnuts
> in oatmeal cookies, and you follow the recipe on the Quaker package.
> NEVER chocolate chips.
>
> Chocolate chip cookies are completely different and should NOT be made
> with oatmeal. I think I'd use semi-sweet chocolate AND toasted almonds
> in CC cookies.
>

What better way to get the best of both cookies? DH doesn't like
walnuts and I don't like raisins, so we looked for a recipe with
chocolate chips. There are tons of them out there. Yummy!

Marsha

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 6:07 pm
From: Michael Black

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, The Real Bev wrote:

> On 08/23/10 05:16, Lou wrote:
>
>> "MAS"<mas@bbbb.net> wrote in message news:i4sfjh$q08$1@news.datemas.de...
>>> I don't bake much. As a matter of fact, the kitchen is foreign territory.
>>> When an oatmeal cookie recipe calls for 2 cups of oatmeal, does it mean
>>> quick cooking oats or regular oats? If it calls for chocolate chips, do I
>>> use unsweetened or sweetened? Muchos gracias.
>>
>> The oatmeal probably doesn't make much difference. The chips, I'd use
>> semi-sweet. But if you can't tell from the recipe, I'd use another recipe.
>
> BLASPHEMY! It just hit me that the discussion involves putting chocolate
> chips in oatmeal cookies. WRONGWRONGWRONG! You put raisins and walnuts in
> oatmeal cookies, and you follow the recipe on the Quaker package. NEVER
> chocolate chips.
>
Well they aren't making chocolate chip cookies, they are making oatmeal
cookies, and making them more palatable by adding chocolate chips.

You're right about the recipe on the oats. Once you find a pack with
the recipe, you can be sure the oats in the container are suitable for
making oatmeal cookies, and who would know better about making such
cookies than a company that makes oatmeal?

Michael

> Chocolate chip cookies are completely different and should NOT be made with
> oatmeal. I think I'd use semi-sweet chocolate AND toasted almonds in CC
> cookies.
>
> --
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> =========================================
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>

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 7:59 pm
From: Derald

MAS <mas@bbbb.net> wrote:

>DH doesn't like
>walnuts and I don't like raisins, so we looked for a recipe with
>chocolate chips.
I'm with him. Don't like raisins as ingredients in _anything_, even
picadillo. When they skoosh, I just can't shake the mental image of
flies and such....
--
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== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 7:59 pm
From: Derald

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

>Chocolate is good, right? And it's better with toasted almonds...
...sheesh! Californicating heatherns; harrumph, he said.
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== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 8:59 pm
From: The Real Bev

On 08/23/10 18:07, MAS wrote:

I think the recipe on the package of Toll House morsels (or whatever the
hell they call them) is that gold standard for CCC.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 6:46 pm
From: "The Henchman"

"Bill Gill" <billnews2@cox.net> wrote in message
news:i4ts7d$amf$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 8/23/2010 12:56 AM, Derald wrote:
> Do you know how one determines _when_
>> to replace a detector's sensor or the detector? IIRC the instructions
>> with mine indicate the sensor to have a finite but indeterminate life
>> span regardless of whether the unit is in service but I don't recall it
>> offering the slightest clue how to determine when to begin expecting the
>> unit to fail or how to determine whether it has. Maybe I should read the
>> instructions again?
>>>
>
> I did some research* a while back on how long a CO detector lasts.
> I finally found a place that said they last about 5 years, so we
> need to replace all our CO monitors about every 5 years. I found
> this just after I bought a combined CO/Smoke detector. That means
> that in 5 years I get to throw away a probably perfectly good
> smoke detector because the CO detector is at end of life. Keep
> that in mind when you go shopping for CO monitors.

Most CO detectors TELL you the date to throw them away. They'll be printed
on a card or as part of the injection moulding or simply print the
information in the manual.

Some American organisation called the NFPA recommends to replace C0
detectors every 7 years to take advantage of new technologies, not because
they "wear out". My country says 10 years therefore Kidde the manufacturer
of my detector moulded the replacement date 10 years after the manufacture
date on the backing of my detectors.

Most CO detectors will not sound an alarm unless there is over 75 ppm.
Anything over 2 ppm is considered unhealthy and anything over 25 is
considered damaging to your health if exposed for 8 straight hours. If you
have respiratory issues or are placing this co detector in a bedroom
consider a unit that will sound an alarm at anything over 2 ppm.