Frugal Living: May 12, 2008

Monday, May 12, 2008

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, May 12 2008 12:06 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@hotmail.com> wrote
> Logan Shaw <lshaw-use...@austin.rr.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Logan Shaw <lshaw-use...@austin.rr.com> wrote

>>>> Speaking of symptoms, if you have to cut out most carbs in order
>>>> to lose weight, that's a symptom that something else is wrong.
>>>> Taken care of properly, the human body can tolerate carbs in the
>>>> diet quite well; in fact, it needs them. What do marathon runners
>>>> traditionally eat the night before the race? A big pasta dinner.
>>>> And why? Because they are trying to load up on as many carbs
>>>> as possible. Because they need them. Because they are active.
>>>> Like the human body is meant to be.

>>> It was never 'meant to be' THAT active.

>> Well sure, marathons are somewhat extreme (though not as
>> extreme as the 100 mile runs and stuff like that). The point,
>> though, is that when you're active, you need carbs, because
>> you need energy. You will not need as many as a marathon
>> runner, but you need them. If you never need carbs, it's
>> probably because you're not active, and I will go so far as to
>> say that being active is a non-optional part of a healthy lifestyle.

> I think a good Paleolithic hunt might have stretched
> to marathon length, depending on the quarry.

Nope. You can see what they got up to from what some like the
Masai were doing even with lions when the white man showed up.

It was always about effective weapons with a human
brain behind them. Humans can never outrun animals.

There was some use of long distance runners as messengers,
but that was LONG after the bulk of the evolution had happened.

> Just spitballing here, of course.

Yep, thats all you are doing.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, May 12 2008 12:17 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote
> h wrote
>> Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote

>>> Speaking of symptoms, if you have to cut out most carbs in order
>>> to lose weight, that's a symptom that something else is wrong.
>>> Taken care of properly, the human body can tolerate carbs in
>>> the diet quite well; in fact, it needs them. What do marathon
>>> runners traditionally eat the night before the race? A big pasta
>>> dinner. And why? Because they are trying to load up on as
>>> many carbs as possible. Because they need them. Because
>>> they are active. Like the human body is meant to be.

>> You don't "have" to cut them out, you're just so much
>> healthier if you do. Carbs are sugar, and your body
>> can make all the sugar it needs from protein and fat.

> Eat more than some certain amount of protein, and that is unhealthy.

You cant substantiate that claim with rigorous science.

> Metabolism of protein produces ammonia and urea,
> and more of that means more strain on the kidneys.

But we do know that some societys have managed to do
surprisingly well on an almost exclusively protien based diet.

So the human body must be much more adaptable than you claim.

>> The reason that people eat lots of carbs prior to heavy exercise
>> is that they've trained their bodies to burn sugar instead of fat.

> Training or not, sugar is what muscles burn most readily, and
> the liver can only make it out of other things at a limited rate.

And what works best for high energy demands like marathon running says
nothing useful about what works best when you dont do stuff like that.

>> If you feed your body mostly sugar (carbs), then you will never
>> be a fat burning machine. You'll always get that sugar crash,
>> or feel the need to load up on carbs instead of protein and fat.

> The crash only occurs if insulin overshoots. Unless one is diabetic,
> in poor shape or consumes some big load of sugar or too used to
> eating mainly other than carbs, the pancreas secretes the proper
> amount of insulin to keep blood sugar at a good level.

And some native populations have clearly evolved to work well
with very high protein diets, most obviously those that hunt in
very arid environments where there is little to gather and their
descendents dont do very well on high sugar diets diabetes wise.

Presumably what works well with high protein diets has real
downsides when they move on to high sugar diets in modern times.

>> I was a ballet dancer for years, and I was VERY active for 5-6
>> hours a day, every day. I never ate more than 30 grams of carbs
>> a day and never needed them. These days, I'm only able to find
>> the time for about 1 hour of vigorous exercise, but I still haven't
>> gained any weight from my ballet days of 30 years ago.

>> And as far as low-carb not being healthy, that's the exact opposite
>> of the truth. If you actually tried it for 30 days (for real, not cheating)
>> you would feel SO MUCH BETTER than you do now and have so
>> much more energy than you thought possible, that you'd never go
>> back to eating carbs. Carbs are what food eats.

> You also said before that if the calories are mostly carbs,
> most people will gain weight on 1,000 calories a day, even
> if they exercise. You said that on April 26 2008 in article
> <48133cb9$0$9551$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>.

> I think you lost some credibility when you said that.

She never had any even before that.

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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, May 12 2008 1:21 pm
From: william.axline@gmail.com

I change jobs a lot a a c-level executive and being frugal is always
good between jobs when I'm out of works for a few months at a time.
Between my current job at Actuant and my last job I was out of work
for almost a year (though I was actively looking). Being frugal is the
way to go to help you through the lows.

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== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, May 12 2008 1:45 pm
From: Al Bundy

On May 12, 4:21 pm, william.axl...@gmail.com wrote:
> I change jobs a lot a a c-level executive and being frugal is always
> good between jobs when I'm out of works for a few months at a time.
> Between my current job at Actuant and my last job I was out of work
> for almost a year (though I was actively looking). Being frugal is the
> way to go to help you through the lows.
>
> Bill Axline
>
> billaxl...@aol.com
> bill.axl...@actuant.com

Bill, when you are "out of works for a few months at a time" and this
last time for a year, are you not really a part time employee?
Being frugal is the way to go at all times so you don't have any lows.

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, May 12 2008 1:57 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Al Bundy <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote
> william.axl...@gmail.com wrote

>> I change jobs a lot a a c-level executive and being frugal is always
>> good between jobs when I'm out of works for a few months at a time.
>> Between my current job at Actuant and my last job I was out of work
>> for almost a year (though I was actively looking). Being frugal is
>> the way to go to help you through the lows.

>> billaxl...@aol.com
>> bill.axl...@actuant.com

> Bill, when you are "out of works for a few months at a time" and
> this last time for a year, are you not really a part time employee?

> Being frugal is the way to go at all times so you don't have any lows.

Not necessarily, particularly if you earn well when working.

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, May 12 2008 3:03 pm
From: William Souden

Rod Speed wrote:
> Al Bundy <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote
>> william.axl...@gmail.com wrote
>
>>> I change jobs a lot a a c-level executive and being frugal is always
>>> good between jobs when I'm out of works for a few months at a time.
>>> Between my current job at Actuant and my last job I was out of work
>>> for almost a year (though I was actively looking). Being frugal is
>>> the way to go to help you through the lows.
>
>>> billaxl...@aol.com
>>> bill.axl...@actuant.com
>
>> Bill, when you are "out of works for a few months at a time" and
>> this last time for a year, are you not really a part time employee?
>
>> Being frugal is the way to go at all times so you don't have any lows.
>
> Not necessarily, particularly if you earn well when working.
>
>
What would you know about earning well or working?

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, May 12 2008 3:36 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

William Souden <souden@nospam.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Al Bundy <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote
>>> william.axl...@gmail.com wrote

>>>> I change jobs a lot a a c-level executive and being frugal is always good between jobs when I'm out of works for a
>>>> few months at
>>>> a time. Between my current job at Actuant and my last job I was
>>>> out of work for almost a year (though I was actively looking).
>>>> Being frugal is the way to go to help you through the lows.

>>>> billaxl...@aol.com
>>>> bill.axl...@actuant.com

>>> Bill, when you are "out of works for a few months at a time" and
>>> this last time for a year, are you not really a part time employee?

>>> Being frugal is the way to go at all times so you don't have any lows.

>> Not necessarily, particularly if you earn well when working.

> What would you know about earning well or working?

More than any stupid race track bum.

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, May 12 2008 3:46 pm
From: William Souden

Rod Speed wrote:
> William Souden <souden@nospam.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Al Bundy <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote
>>>> william.axl...@gmail.com wrote
>
>>>>> I change jobs a lot a a c-level executive and being frugal is always good between jobs when I'm out of works for a
>>>>> few months at
>>>>> a time. Between my current job at Actuant and my last job I was
>>>>> out of work for almost a year (though I was actively looking).
>>>>> Being frugal is the way to go to help you through the lows.
>
>>>>> billaxl...@aol.com
>>>>> bill.axl...@actuant.com
>
>>>> Bill, when you are "out of works for a few months at a time" and
>>>> this last time for a year, are you not really a part time employee?
>
>>>> Being frugal is the way to go at all times so you don't have any lows.
>
>>> Not necessarily, particularly if you earn well when working.
>
>> What would you know about earning well or working?
>
> More than any stupid race track bum.
>
>
Did you see the Derby,welfare boy? Did the attendees look like bums?
What would you know about high end jobs? They require education,
communication ability,social skills and patience, all lacking with you.
I share a season table at the turf club with three other people, a
stock broker,a college professor and restaurant owner. They will be
surprised to learn they are bums.
Ever been to a track? I doubt it.

William Souden
sales fool/ race track bum

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, May 12 2008 4:19 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Some stupid completely unemployable race track bum claiming to be
William Souden <souden@nospam.com> wrote just the juvenile
shit you'd expect from a completely unemployable race track bum.

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, May 12 2008 4:31 pm
From: William Souden

Rod Speed wrote:
> Some stupid completely unemployable race track bum claiming to be
> William Souden <souden@nospam.com> wrote just the juvenile
> shit you'd expect from a completely unemployable race track bum.
>
>
Unable to refute what I posted welfare boy resorts to bot#1.
Bot #2 is the flushing routine.

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, May 12 2008 4:38 pm
From: Seerialmom

On May 12, 1:21 pm, william.axl...@gmail.com wrote:
> I change jobs a lot a a c-level executive and being frugal is always
> good between jobs when I'm out of works for a few months at a time.
> Between my current job at Actuant and my last job I was out of work
> for almost a year (though I was actively looking). Being frugal is the
> way to go to help you through the lows.
>
> Bill Axline
>
> billaxl...@aol.com
> bill.axl...@actuant.com

So what you're saying is you live below your means. In other words,
you're a "YAWN"? ;)

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, May 12 2008 5:04 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Some stupid completely unemployable race track bum claiming to be
William Souden <souden@nospam.com> wrote just the juvenile shit
you'd expect from a stupid completely unemployable race track bum.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, May 12 2008 1:56 pm
From: Al Bundy

On May 12, 10:27 am, tion...@126.com wrote:
> Technology is changing fast and not everyone can adopt quickly and
> welcome the changes. Believe it or not, but there are those who have a
> problem accepting emails even today though it has become the primary
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>
I'm not an "early adopter" and I don't know many people without at
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Where are you from that "most people still prefer a film-based model?"
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, May 12 2008 2:35 pm
From: davegb

On May 12, 8:27 am, tion...@126.com wrote:
> Technology is changing fast and not everyone can adopt quickly and
> welcome the changes. Believe it or not, but there are those who have a
> problem accepting emails even today though it has become the primary
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> even less. It comes as no surprise thus that buying a digital camera
> is gaining acceptance slowly. Most people still prefer a film-based
> model and sift over only if they have to.
>
Wake up, Rip! Digital cameras have been outselling film cameras for
several years now. Sales of film have plummeted. Put the pipe down and
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Date: Mon, May 12 2008 2:24 pm
From: Al Bundy

On May 12, 8:45 am, travisrya...@gmail.com wrote:
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