Frugal Living: Dec 17, 2007

Monday, December 17, 2007

24 new messages in 20 topics - digest

misc.consumers.frugal-living
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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Christmas big ritual
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 17 2007 1:02 am
From: xiaoshifeng027@gmail.com

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 17 2007 1:56 am
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TOPIC: Genuine Way of Earning
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 17 2007 3:59 am
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TOPIC: Sell iPhone 8GB, Nokia N95 8GB ,Xbox 360, Nintendo Wii, PS3 60GB At
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 17 2007 4:27 am
From: s.dept1@gmail.com

Hello

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TOPIC: Diabetes
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 17 2007 4:40 am
From: pohmichael@yahoo.com

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TOPIC: Free Platinum Natural Dog Food
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 17 2007 5:03 am
From: "FreebiesPl.us"

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TOPIC: Free Sample of Neru Patch Foot And Leg Discomfort
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 17 2007 5:09 am
From: "FreebiesPl.us"

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TOPIC: wholesale sport shoes,clothing,electronics in china www.fashion-sky.com
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 17 2007 5:47 am
From: fashion-sky@msn.com

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jordan 5.5 jordan 6 jordan 6.5 jordan 7 jordan 8 jordan 9 jordan 9.5
jordan 10 jordan 11 jordan 12 jordan 13 jordan 13.5 jordan 14 jordan
15 jordan 16 jordan 17 jordan 18 jordan 18.5 jordan 19 jordan 20
jordan 21 jordan 21.5 jordan 22 jordan King jordan Dub Zero Jordan 23
Jordan 7.5
2).Air Force One Air Force one (low) Air Force one (High) Air Force
one (Mid) Air Force one (clear) Air Force One 25 year
3).SHOX Shox R3 Shox R4 Shox R5 Shox TL1 Shox TL2 Shox TL3 Shox NZ
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4).Bape Shoes Bape Bape (transparent)
5).Air max AirMax 90 AirMax 95 AirMax 97 AirMax 2003 AirMax 2004
AirMax 2005 Air Max 2006 AirMax 180 AirMax LTD AirMax TN AirMax solas
AirMax 87 AirMax Rift
6).Puma Puma Rpt2 Puma SK6 Puma Jayfi Puma Cir Puma Speed Puma Repli
Puma Future Cat Puma Mostro Puma Lifestyle
7).Dunk SB Dunk High Dunk Low
8).Timberland Timberland High Timberland Low
9).Adidas Adidas 35 Adicolor Country city sense Adidas NBA
11).Prada & Gucci Prada Gucci
12).Footballer Shoes Footballer
13).Locaste
14).converse & Reebok converse Reebok
15).D&G shoes
16).Dsquared2 shoes
17).James shoes
18).Nike King
9).Children shoes Jordan Shox
20).Women shoes Women Jordans Women Shox R3 Women Shox R4 Women AirMax
95&97 Women AirMax 03&06 Women Dunk Women Shox NZ Women AF1
21).sandal & baboosh Nike Puma Gucci Prada
CLOTHES 1).Bape 2).ED Hardy 3).BBC 4).CLH 5).LRG 6).Artful Dodger
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15).D&G Coat 16).Superman Coat 17).NBA Coat
JEAN 1).E&D Jeans 2).BBC Jeans 3).BAPE Jeans 4).D&G Jeans 5).EVSIU
Jeans 6).Red monkey 7).COOGI Jeans
T-shirt 1).POLO 2007 polo(women) 2007 POLO IIII(Men) POLO (stripe)
polo (small )
2).Lacoste Lacoste (LONG) Lacoste (SHORT) 3).Name Brand shirt D&G
Shirt Giorgio Armani TN Shirt 4).BBC T-shirt 5).LRG & gina green
glalal 6).Triumvir 7).ED handy 8).Evsiu 9).R.M.B 10).CLOT
Burse & Handbag 1).LV Bag 2).Gucci Bag 3).Dior Bag 4).Chanel Bag
5).Fendi Bag 6).Coach Bag 7).Burberrys Bag 8).Prada Bag 9).Man Leisure
Bag 11).D&G bag 12).nike bag 13).Wallet 14).Suitcase
Electronics 1).Vertu Mobile 2).New iphone Mobile(apple iphones,apple
iphones,apple iphones,apple iphones) 3).Nokia Mobile(Nokia N95,Nokia
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Sony laptops ASUS laptops
CAP 1).ED Hardy Cap 2).New Bape & NY Cap 3).RMC Cap 4).New era NBA
5).F1 6).Chanel 7).D&G 8).gucci 9).LV 10).Prada 11).PUMA 12).wool
WATCH 1).Rolex 2).Omega 3).Cartier 4).Chanel 5).Piaget 6).Breitling
7).Bvlgari 8).Corum
Sunglasses 1).Gucci Sunglasses 2).D&G Sunglasses 3).Dior Sunglasses
4).LV Sunglasses 5).Chanel Sunglasses 6).Prada Sunglasses 7).Versace
Sunglasses 8).Giorgio Armani
Strap 1).Bape Strap 2).D&G Strap 3).Gucci Strap 4).LV Strap 5).Scarf
Other 1).Lighter

size chart
Men Size:
US: 7 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 13 14 15
UK: 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 12 13 14
EUR: 40 41 42 42.5 43 44 44.5 45 45.5 46 47.5 48 49
Women Size:
US: 5 5.5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5
UK: 2.5 3 3.5 4 4.5 5 5.5 6
EUR: 35.5 36 36.5 37.5 38 38.5 39 40

Kid's
US: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5 13 13.5
UK: 13 1 2 3 4 5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5
EUR:17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 24.5 25 25.5 26 26.5 27 27.5 28 29 30 30.5
31

Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

7.because the space of the website is limited,we can also supply many
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to
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Website : http://www.fashion-sky.com
MSN and E-mail: fashion-sky@hotmail.com
Yahoo ID:mallinchina@yahoo.com.cn
Michael
Fashion Footwear Industrial Co.,Ltd.(Fujian,CHINA)

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 17 2007 5:51 am
From: fashion-sky@msn.com

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S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 17 2007 5:52 am
From: fashion-sky@msn.com

Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 17 2007 5:54 am
From: fashion-sky@msn.com

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TOPIC: Free Orthopedic Magazine: 1-Year Subscription
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Date: Mon, Dec 17 2007 5:59 am
From: "TheBestFreebies.com"

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Date: Mon, Dec 17 2007 6:00 am
From: "TheBestFreebies.com"

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 17 2007 6:00 am
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TOPIC: Free OR Nurse 2007 Magazine: 1-Year Subscription
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Date: Mon, Dec 17 2007 6:03 am
From: "TheBestFreebies.com"

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TOPIC: Free Nurse Magazine: 1-Year Subscription
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 17 2007 6:05 am
From: "TheBestFreebies.com"

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 17 2007 7:24 am
From: ubumusic@gmail.com

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TOPIC: buy cheap shoes ( www.shoes-ec.com)
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Date: Mon, Dec 17 2007 8:11 am
From: dfdf

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TOPIC: the truth about this "DeserTBob"
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 17 2007 8:19 am
From: "Dwight D. Eisenhower"

To all who may read this at any future date:

Everything "DeserTBob" is saying, is a complete falsehood.
"DeserTBob" is an unemployed illegal alien from the West Coast USA.
He was
a
former Bell Systems employee "phone guy" who was fired from his job-
he faked an
injury to get disability- so now he sits home and trolls the
internet,
harassing people- for lack of anything else constructive to do.

"DeserTBob" bought 2 items from "66fourdoor" on Ebay at one time.
One
was an 8-track alignment tape- the other was a VHS movie tape.
"DeserTBob" was unhappy with the items, the seller agreed willingly
to
issue a full refund (still that seller's policy to this day), once
the
items were returned. "DeserTBob"
returned the alignment tape and received a full $40 refund.
"DeserTBob" kept the VHS tape because in reality, there was nothing
wrong with either item- and the movie tape was a rare out of print
NON-
COPYRIGHTED
movie, otherwise unavailable. (it has since been re-released on
DVD). The returned alignment tape was later resold to another buyer
on Ebay, who left positive feedback for it.

"DeserTBob" then left a negative feedback for the seller, even though
he got a full refund- "DesertBob" has continued to harass the seller
and seller's family ever since, for over 3 years now.

This is nothing new to "DeserTBob"- rather, it's way of life for him-
he also purchased (8) tapes from another seller for ONE CENT each,
only to leave the seller 8 negative feedbacks, stating "not worth a
penny".

Eventually a large quantity of complaints started flooding into Ebay,
concerning "DeserTBob" and his auction harassment. Ebay then banned
DeserTBob's Ebay username, which was "VOXPOPPER".

"DeserTBob" then returned to Ebay using a second name, calling
himself
"XCALIBER44"- and started once again harassing various Ebay sellers'
auctions. He was again reported to Ebay, and "XCALIBER44" was also
banned.

These current slanders/libels against Ebay sellers by "DeserTBob" are
completely unfounded- if you check the seller's feedback, you'll find
they have 99.9% positive feedback, with only 2 negatives in 6 years.
"DeserTBob" simply has an axe to grind, for being banned from Ebay
himself.

Furthermore, "DeserTBob" is decidedly anti-American, anti-USA, hates
the military, and is basically a socialist-communist-liberal left-
wing
radical. He fears and despises anyone religious in any way, and he
also
doesn't believe in God. "DeserTBob" once posted a comment on Usenet
that said "fuck Christmas". He can't accomplish anything himself,
so he tears down other good Americans who are out there, trying to
make a
living. He goes through a yearly holiday depression and attacks
everyone on the internet, even moreso during holiday seasons- he has
no
family to speak of, and obviously suffers from not being loved by his
mother enough, as a child.

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TOPIC: So quiet in here. Everyone Chrismas shopping?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 17 2007 9:44 am
From: timeOday

Gordon wrote:
> We are waiting out the spam storm
>
> "Mike M." <steam@shovel.com> wrote in
> news:d%Z8j.23658$_m.21670@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
>
>> Haven't been reading/posting to the group all that frequently in
>> recent months. But even considering the time of year, it still seems
>> awfully quiet in here.
>>
>> Hell, I didn't even notice any posts from happy-go-lucky Rod.
>> Something is definitely wrong. Nothing to read aside from
>> spam/cross-posted messages.
>>
>> I downloaded 1,000 headers from my Outlook reader, but almost no
>> poster names looked familiar. Same thing when I clicked the next
>> 1,000 - nothing but spam and rambling, nonsensical cross-posted
>> messages (appear to be a LOT more whackos cross-posting than normally
>> the case.)
>>
>> Anyway, to keep things on topic, I'm saving money on Christmas
>> expenses this year - and contributing to the "Green" movement at the
>> same time - by cutting back on two things: no outside Christmas lights
>> (or inside for that matter) and no Christmas tree. Just my small
>> part/sacrifice, in the name of saving our planet...
>>
>> Mike
>

Yeah, this NG is really suffering with the spam lately, to the point of
driving away the actual content.

Now, about Christmas trees and the environment...
For my own family, going to the national forest to cut a tree has become
one of my favorite Christmas traditions. I do flinch as I see a
procession of tree-laden cars leaving the forest. But then, pine is a
fast-growing wood. I am strongly in favor of regulation to ensure the
tree harvest is done in a sustainable way, and I think for the most part
this is already the case. I believe each permit we buy from the forest
service to harvest a tree pays for the planting of several more. Among
trees purchased from lots, I think most are farmed.

Granted, driving to the forest and cutting a tree still takes more fuel
and money than going without.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 17 2007 12:58 pm
From: James

On Dec 17, 12:44 pm, timeOday <timeOday-UNS...@theknack.net> wrote:
> Gordon wrote:
> > We are waiting out the spam storm
>
> > "Mike M." <st...@shovel.com> wrote in
> >news:d%Z8j.23658$_m.21670@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
>
> >> Haven't been reading/posting to the group all that frequently in
> >> recent months. But even considering the time of year, it still seems
> >> awfully quiet in here.
>
> >> Hell, I didn't even notice any posts from happy-go-lucky Rod.
> >> Something is definitely wrong. Nothing to read aside from
> >> spam/cross-posted messages.
>
> >> I downloaded 1,000 headers from my Outlook reader, but almost no
> >> poster names looked familiar. Same thing when I clicked the next
> >> 1,000 - nothing but spam and rambling, nonsensical cross-posted
> >> messages (appear to be a LOT more whackos cross-posting than normally
> >> the case.)
>
> >> Anyway, to keep things on topic, I'm saving money on Christmas
> >> expenses this year - and contributing to the "Green" movement at the
> >> same time - by cutting back on two things: no outside Christmas lights
> >> (or inside for that matter) and no Christmas tree. Just my small
> >> part/sacrifice, in the name of saving our planet...
>
> >> Mike
>
> Yeah, this NG is really suffering with the spam lately, to the point of
> driving away the actual content.
>
> Now, about Christmas trees and the environment...
> For my own family, going to the national forest to cut a tree has become
> one of my favorite Christmas traditions. I do flinch as I see a
> procession of tree-laden cars leaving the forest. But then, pine is a
> fast-growing wood. I am strongly in favor of regulation to ensure the
> tree harvest is done in a sustainable way, and I think for the most part
> this is already the case. I believe each permit we buy from the forest
> service to harvest a tree pays for the planting of several more. Among
> trees purchased from lots, I think most are farmed.
>
> Granted, driving to the forest and cutting a tree still takes more fuel
> and money than going without.- Hide quoted text -

As heard on CBC radio this morning....

Real Christmas trees increase the amount of mould in your house.

They will be doing a larger study this year, but the limited study
last year asserted that the amount of mould in a sample house
increased 5 times from normal.

Their suggestions:
Have the tree up for a shorter time, the mould buildup increases over
time.
Put plastic sheeting under the tree to ensure the needles don't get
into the carpet.
Don't place the tree near an outside wall - the cool walls collect
condensation more.

For the record I love live trees, but have used artificial since we
have had pets.

James

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 16 2007 9:51 am
From: MI5-Victim@mi5.gov.uk

MI5 Have Systematically Destroyed My Life

This is getting depressing. From the feedback Ive received, the recipients
of these faxes are tired of hearing my complaints, and in truth I am tired
of sending them. The reason I havent yet ceased sending faxes is because I
cannot think of any other effective means of replying to MI5s actions
against me, and I feel I have to do something to try to defend
myself. Three/four years ago I got the MI5 harassment out of my system by
posting about it on Internet newsgroups, and for a few months this tactic
was quite effective - I received (and indeed still do today) support from
newsgroup regulars, and felt I could make my voice heard and break the MI5
monopoly on access to the British media. But that was years ago, and today
nobody gives a tinkers cuss about my internet posts - so I have sought to
escalate matters by communicating directly with the politicians who
allegedly say how this country is supposed to be run.

Of course, its quite expensive to keep up a campaign of fax messages for
many weeks. Each set of faxes takes approx 50 hours to send over the
weekend, and costs perhaps 35. My phone bill for the last quarter was
350. These figures are naturally insignificant compared to what MI5 have
been spending against me over a similar period. It also takes a lot of
time and energy to create a new article every week, and try and find new
and fresh aspects and viewpoints on MI5s persecution of me. I am beginning
to run out of both new topics and energy to write these articles.

So I have a suggestion to put before the MI5 persecutors who have been
wrecking my life since 1990. In a few days time I will be going on holiday
to Poland and Germany, for a couple of weeks. Previously, almost every
time I have travelled by plane, or gone anywhere on holiday, the MI5
"wreckers" have been most assiduous in destroying these trips. My
suggestion is; if MI5 leave me alone on this next trip, I will cease
transmitting these articles. If, however, there are any clear instances of
harassment (and I am very capable of recognising MI5 harassment when I see
it), then I will make public these instances and publish any recordings I
may make of them, and, unwillingly and unhappily, continue the articles.

Read about the MI5 Persecution on the Web

Keith Hill MP (Labour - Streatham), my elected representative, as ever
refuses to help.

MI5 Refuse to Allow me to have a Normal Life

Its kind of difficult to contemplate having a normal existence when you
know your entire house is bugged from top to bottom, for audio and, very
unpleasantly, video; when your employment is systematically destroyed,
over and over again; when every time you leave the country your travel is
disrupted by MI5 plants on the plane yelling abuse at you..... you get the
idea. I would like to have some semblance of a normal life, like my Polish
and English friends do. But MI5 have made this impossible, and they have
leached massive resources from the taxpayer to institute a life not worthy
of the name on me.

A few years ago MI5 were very open about their aims in persecuting
me. They were shouting "suicide" at me, both in Canada where I lived at
the time, and during my occasional visits to London. You cant get much
clearer than that. There have been instances as recently as a few weeks
ago of this intention being voiced by their side; on 15 April 1999, a
woman at the next ticket counter at the Royal Festival Hall said;

"it would kill it, you know, it would just be overkill... they can't stop
can they"

meaning that "they" were trying to "kill it" i.e. me and they "cant
stop". The audio file is at;

I wonder why they "cant stop". Nobody (who doesnt know already) believes
my claims - so what difference would it make, if they were to
"stop" persecuting me? Perhaps what this persons remarks indicates, is the
depth of the obsession MI5 have with this case. They have chosen at random
a person from the general population, and done their worst to ruin my
life. What is wrong with these people, that they persecute a national of
the country whose citizens they are supposed to protect?

No Chance of a Harassment-Free Job

Since the harassment started in 1990 I have had three jobs, the first near
Guildford, the second in Oxford, and the third overseas in Canada. All
three jobs have been systematically destroyed by MI5. It is so ironic that
MI5 employs a team of agents, each well compensated for their efforts, to
persecute just one person paid a mere fraction of what they get for their
"work". In fact, it is a joke that MI5 is allocated resources for this
sort of effort. If this area of government were run along commercial lines
then MI5 would be very rapidly closed down, they produce nothing of any
value, instead spending their time obsessed with the bugging and
surveillance of their former employees like Shayler, dangerous subversives
like Straw and Mandelson, and "threats to national security" like yours
truly.

Applying for my first post university job

When I was applying for my first post-university job in the closing months
of 1990, I found at two or three job interviews that MI5 had got there
ahead of me. Interviewers knew what words to repeat from what had been
said at my home recently; MI5 had supplied them with words to hurt me, and
the "British secret police" were trying to wreck my job search and
discourage me from joining the world of work. This and the continuing
harassment in the media and by the public meant that the search for a job
took very much longer than it would ordinarily be expected to take for a
person with my qualifications.

With my first job near Guildford came the knowledge that MI5 were doing
everything possible to make me lose the job. Despite their efforts I
managed to stay in work for ten unhappy months, during which they made
very clear to me that they were bugging my workplace, my accomodation in
Woking, my car, my home..... and they also made clear that they had "got
to" my employer in Guildford.

Employment with Oxford

I was able to find a new job, with Oxford Computer Training Services (now
ARIS/Oxford), quite quickly. But it became very clear, very quickly, that
MI5 were treating this job the same as the first; they tried to get the
other employees and in particular the managers to attack me. It was
plainly MI5s intention that I be sacked fro this job. But I was not
sacked; instead, after almost a year of abuse from OCTS managers, I was
forced to seek medical help, and had to take two months off for medical
leave. OCTS MD Hugh Simpson-Wells was motivated in keeping me on by the
fear that if he sacked me, then I would take him to court for the
treatment OCTS managers had meted out to me during 1992.

Emigration to Canada

When I emigrated to Canada in 1994, I did think that perhaps MI5 would
leave me alone, given that I had made the effort to leave the UK and try
to find a new life overseas. I could not see any reason why they would
continue to harass me over in Canada. But clearly the MI5 agents had their
salaries to think about, since continue to harass me they most certainly
did, at my home in Ottawa, and by getting fellow employees to speak
against me, as had happened with previous jobs in the UK.

MI5 are denying me a future in work

Former Chief Constable of Devon and Cornwall John Alderson had this to say
regarding MI5's activities;

"MI5 is not under the same restraints as the police. They infiltrate
organisations, people's jobs and lives. They operate almost like a
cancer."

Currently I am on disability, and I can see that MI5 are denying me a
future in work. It would be an insult to logic for me to return to work
and find a job, in the knowledge that an entire team of MI5 agents, paid
in total many times what I would be earning, would have the objective of
seeing me "done down" in the employment, and ejected from the place of
work. This situation is completely wrong and nonsensical - I would very
much like to have a job, but MI5 are preventing me from even thinking
about returning to work. The culture of secrecy in MI5/MI6 means there is
no objective oversight of their expenditure, when external oversight and
greater transparency might lead to wasteful and illogical operations such
as that against me being shelved.

Watched and Harassed at my Home and Accommodation

As you will know if you have been reading these articles, MI5 have watched
and harassed me at my home, and at every accommodation Ive had since
1990. Theyve also watched me at neighbours houses in London, and at
short-term accommodation such as hotels and bed-and-breakfasts. They have
used the "words" gained from these watching activities against me, by
passing these words on to other people such as OCTS managers for them to
make clear that I am being watched where I live.

Harassed at rented rooms in Oxford in 1992

This was at its worst in 1992 in Oxford, where during the week I lived at
rented accommodation in Oxford, and at weekends returned to my parents
home in London. I was being severely harassed by managers at my place of
work, OCTS; and it was clear from the things they said that they were
being supplied by MI5 with details of my home life, that they were being
supplied with words to repeat at me.

In 1992 I moved house in Oxford many times, living at a total of five
rented accommodations in ten months. In January I started off living in a
rented room at Headington near the ring road / A40 intersection; then when
it became clear that house was being bugged, moved to a rented room in
Botley, some miles away. It was at the house in Botley that I had an
"interactive watching" experience with Martyn Lewis while he was reading
the news; I threw a term of abuse at him; he first flinched, then gave a
gsult of what I had just said, he was no longer "on my side".

So I moved house again. This time to a place in Cowley, near the Rover car
works, where I stayed for a few weeks. Because of continuing harassment at
work, I soon moved from this accommodation, to yet another rented room on
Iffley Road. By this time I was very ill and being abused continuously at
work. Again, MI5 followed me to the rented room on Iffley Road, and
created new instances of "newscaster watching". There was a television in
the room which I watched, and as you can guess the newscasters got at me
when I was watching the television. Also once I was assaulted, if thats
the word for what happened, on leaving the house; a youth grabbed me by
the coat lapels, roughed me up a bit with various terms of abuse. I did
not report this assault to the police, because what was happening to me at
work was very much worse, and nobody seemed to think that that was worthy
of being reported to the police. Later that day at work, Alex G, a fellow
employee, said "I heard he was assaulted".... I had not told anyone at
work about the incident that morning..... so once again it was made very
clear that MI5 were watching my rented accommodation and giving
information about what was going on there to managers at work.

So I moved house yet again in late autumn 1992, this time to a rented room
in a large house on Woodstock Road. I stayed there for several weeks as
the situation at work deteriorated due to OCTS managers abuse, until I was
forced to take sick leave from work for two months and attend hospital as
an outpatient; at which point I gave notice on the room, and returned to
London.

MI5 continued to harass me after the diagnosis of serious illness was
made. As reported previously, they harassed me on a flight to Spain in
December 1992; and in 1993, when I returned to live and work in Oxford,
they again bugged my rooms, as well as my workplace, although the
intensity of the harassment was very much less than in 1992.

Watched, followed and harassed in Canada

It dismayed me to find that MI5 would not leave me alone after I had
settled in Canada. In January 1995 I rented an apartment at the Bayshore
complex in Ottawas west end. For some weeks there was no sign of the
"buggers". But then it started all over again. They first bugged my car,
which had a car alarm installed - the alarm went off two or three times in
a single evening, and the following day gave a signal that the car had
been broken into. Then they bugged my apartment, and in particular they
installed bugs on the phone line in my apartment.

In September 1995 I moved to a new apartment in Ottawas Bytown Market
area, the restaurant and entertainment heart of Canadas capital. This
proved a serious mistake. In the west end I had been fairly distant from
the centre of town where MI5 concentrated their efforts at turning people
against me. In the Market area it was much easier for the persecutors to
motivate people to harass me, and over the next couple of years there were
frequent instances of harassment by the general public.

From 1995 I had some Polish friends in Ottawa, and as the reader can
guess, MI5 have spent much effort trying to break up this friendship. They
supplied various things about my home life to these friends, for example
where I was living in the Market, directly over the road were the studios
of a music radio station, which you had to "look up" to see; and MI5 told
these friends that I was "looking up" to see the radio station; so the
friends then replayed these words back to me, that I was "looking up". MI5
have also made various sexual slanders against me, and these friends also
unwittingly replayed some of the words they had been imprinted with by the
MI5 persecutors.

MI5 Will Never Allow Me to have a Normal Life

I have heard many excuses as to why MI5 continuously prevent me from
having a normal life. We are told that MI5 are defending the country
against a tere to zero.

When I have travelled abroad, they always put their people on the flights,
on the journeys I undertake, to continue the harassment, so that I am put
off further overseas travel, and chained to my home in London. Yet even
this is illogical, because when I lived in Canada, they would still put
people on flights back to the UK.... and what possible reason would they
have for doing that? Perhaps the truest words to describe the MI5
persecution is that reason has nothing to do with their activities - sane
people do not behave in the way the MI5 British Secret Police have been
doing.

Summer 1999 - more MI5 harassment?

In only a few days time I will be going to Europe again. This time I have
deliberately chosen to travel by a non-UK airline; so we will see if they
put their paid agents on this foreign carrier, we will see if they try to
harass me on this non-British flight.

If they do harass me on this trip to Europe, or if they resume the
harassment in London after I return home, then I will continue to report
their activities in these faxes. As I said at the beginning of this
article, I would very much like to not have to send these articles any
more, but that is not my decision to make - it is entirely up to MI5 to
cease their pointless persecution of me, once and for all.

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 16 2007 3:45 pm
From: Al Bundy

MI5-Vic...@mi5.gov.uk wrote:
> MI5 Have Systematically Destroyed My Life
>

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 16 2007 10:33 am
From: MI5-Victim@mi5.gov.uk

MI5 Persecution Update: Friday 9 July, 1999

Harassment in Poland, July 1999

And still it continues.... in my last fax I said that provided MI5 made no
attempts at harassment during my two-week holiday this summer, or after I
returned to England, then I would discontinue these faxes. Unfortunately
MI5 have continued to harass me, both during the holiday and after my
return to London. I really dont want to continue these articles, since
they take up so much time and effort, not to mention expense; but the
Security Service wont even let me have a holiday in peace and quiet, so I
have to make further efforts to bring their activities out into the open.

In early July I visited my aunt and her family in Poland. On Saturday 3
July 1999, I went to a family barbecue at an allotment outside the
city. One of my aunts family has previously shown himself to be in the
"enemy" camp, by saying the Polish equivalent of "something wrong with
him", and various other unprovoked insults. It is disappointing that one
of my family could forsake the usual ties of blood and take part in the
actions against me, but thats the way it is. This guy turned up at the
barbecue, and started making insults against me. In particular, he started
to say something about the video camera which I had brought along on the
trip, and the relevance of the video-camera to my fight against the
persecution. It seemed pretty obvious to me that my enemies had told him
to turn up to this occasion, and most likely schooled him in precisely
what words to say; since hes an unintelligent person and would not be
able to think for himself what insults to make against me.

Harassment in London, week ending Friday 9 July 1999

Got back to London Wednesay afternoon. Two incidents on the Underground
returning from the airport. Unfortunately I wasnt recording because I
wasnt expecting trouble, so these slipped through the net. One of these
was verbal sexual abuse, of the type Ive heard many, many times before
these last three-and-a-half years.

Yesterday, Thursday 8/July/1999, I switched on Heart FM which had never
"got at" me before.... and the presenter started making jokes about "mad,
crazy" etc. Again, wasnt recording this because Id never had any trouble
from this radio station and wasnt expecting any.

Also yesterday, on a bus (155?) from Balham to Clapham, a couple of girls
started harassing me with taunts of "crazy". By now I was expecting
trouble and recorded an audio file of this instance of abuse, at web URL;

The cynical reader might think my demeanour or behaviour had given rise to
the taunts of "crazy" recorded above. But I assure you my behaviour on the
bus would not have made anyone think I was ill; and the taunts the
previous day were the same sexual words as previously; so I'm quite sure
that these incidents are either deliberately staged, or indicative of an
overall high level of awareness among the London public, particularly in
the part of London where I live.

Keith Hill MP (Labour - Streatham), my elected representative, as ever
refuses to help.

MI5 Persecution: Harassment through the Radio

One of the aspects of the MI5 persecution has been harassment through the
broadcast and print media; and one of the aspects of harassment through
the broadcast media is being "got at" by radio presenters. This being "got
at" from the radio takes various forms, the most obvious form being
through overt or hidden words and insults. But there are other, subtler
forms. In Canada a couple of years ago, I used to listen to the local
radio stations every morning driving to work, and listened to the music
only, switching between radio station presets rapidly as soon as a
presenters voice came on, so that I would not be subjected to any verbal
harassment by the D.J.s. But they found a way around this; they kept on
playing the same song, every bl**dy morning at the same time, which had
the words "all coming back to me"; the perceptive reader will remember
that the words "coming back" have special meaning (see the Private Eye
cover at web URL; for the
hidden meaning).

And thats not the only time theyve allowed the songs themselves to be used
as abuse against me; many years ago Radio-1 in the UK did exactly the
same, and the DJ even made it explicitly clear by saying, "dont you
sometimes feel as if the songs were made just for you".

"We should be done for attempted manslaughter" says Chris Tarrant

Capital Radio DJs have been "in on it" from the start. One of the first
things I heard in the summer of 1990 was from a Capital DJ who said, "If
he listens to Capital then he can't be all bad" (supportive, you
see. We're not bastards). Much of what came over the radio in 1990 is now
so far away the precise details have been obliterated by time. No diary
was kept of the details, and although archives if they exist may give
pointers, the ambiguity of what broadcasters said would leave that open to
re-interpretation.

In spring 1994, Chris Tarrant on his Capital morning show made an aside to
someone else in the studio, about a person he didn't identify. He said,
"You know this bloke? He says we're trying to kill him. We should be done
for attempted manslaughter".

That mirrored something I had said a day or two before. What Tarrant said
was understood by the staff member in the studio he was saying it to; they
said, "Oh no, don't say that" to Tarrant. If any archives exist of the
morning show (probably unlikely) then it could be found there; what he
said was so out of context that he would be very hard put to find an
explanation. A couple of days later, someone at the site where I was
working repeated the remark although in a different way; they said there
had been people in a computer room when automatic fire extinguishers went
off and those people were "thinking of suing for attempted manslaughter".

Pirate Radio "gets at" me

In another incident in 1990/91, Id been listening to a pirate radio
station in South London for half an hour, when there was an audible phone
call in the background, then total silence for a few moments, followed by
shrieks of laughter. "So what are we supposed to say now? Deadly
torture? Hes going to talk to us now, isnt he?" which meant that they
could hear what I would say in my room. Note the word "deadly" - they give
away their purpose.

It constantly surprised me that MI5 are so easily able to subvert
broadcasters, and, in this case of the pirate station, to do so, so
quickly. I think the answer to this question is that they must have very
wide contacts in the broadcast media; presumably some or in fact many of
those contacts are literally "bought". In the same way as they tried to
buy Jon Snow of Channel Four news, they must have bought many broadcasters
and use them both directly to make insults against me, and promulgate
their points of view; but also, they must use these "bought" broadcasters
to influence other television and radio presenters, who might not even be
aware that it was on MI5s behalf that they were being influenced to "get
at" me.

BBC-Radio-1 D.J.s celebrate my job termination in November 1991

This is another one from the "early years". At the beginning of November
1991 my employment in Woking, Surrey was terminated. Chris Tarrant of
Capital-FM had already made nasty remarks about both my work for the
company, and the managers of the company themselves - "so theyre not
really a serious company, well theyd have to be to employ you wouldnt
they".

So when I was terminated, as you can expect, BBC Radio 1 D.J.s
celebrated. On the Saturday afternoon (either 9/Nov/1991 or 16/Nov/1991 -
I cannot remember precisely) I briefly listened to Radio-1 and heard the
disc jockeys loudly proclaiming "youre useless, you should be sacked". On
the same day, I went down to the Kwik-Fit in Tooting to get my cars tyres
replaced, and in the office ran into a couple of their staff, one of them
with an Australian accent, who said "what do you think about it then? Its
getting killed on the radio."

Plainly, if a random car-repair shop in Tooting knew about the
persecution, then many thousands of other people across the capital and
all over the country must have known. And the phrase "getting
killed" shows very clear awareness of what the MI5 Persecutors intentions
towards me were in 1991, and judging by the continuing harassment, still
remain today.

Recent Feedback from Virgin-Radio

As readers will know, from mid-March 1999 for some four months, every
weekend, I have bombarded Westminster MPs with faxes about the terrible,
all-encompassing MI5 Persecution. (Jesting aside, it really is terrible
and all-encompassing, in the UK anyway.) In June 1999, after I'd been at
it some three months, I started getting "covert" feedback from Virgin
Radio.

The first feedback I got was from Danny Baker, on Sunday 13th June. That
weekend I was sending an article which contained biting criticism of the
police inaction in this case. Danny Baker on his Virgin radio show started
an angry rant that "he knows it's rubbish", ie. he was rubbishing what I'd
said in that weekend's faxed article. Unfortunately I wasn't recording
this programme.

The next possible Virgin-Radio feedback was a week later on 19th June
1999. This is contained in the audio file above, in which Johnny Boy on
his "Wheels of Steel" programme says;

"and if you would like to put a triple play together, ahhh.... because
quite frankly Hipster and me are running out of ideas...."

He goes on to counter Hipster's "how dare you" with a protestation that he
is "only joking". You can listen to this incident on my website at URL;

What I reckon is that my article faxed to MPs that weekend was forwarded
by one of the recipients to Virgin Radio. My article had included the
words;

"I am beginning to run out of both new topics and energy to write these
articles."

So what I reckon is that Johnny Boy read the article.... and rephrased the
above line "run out of ... new topics" to "running out of ideas". I
recognise that this is a pretty tenuous inference to make.... but do
listen to the audio file, from the "ahhh...." pause in JB's speech you can
guess he is about to say something "risky" and at someone's
expense. Anyway, I listen to the Wheels of Steel regularly and will
continue to do so, recording it as I always do - so any future funny
remarks will get immortalised on my website! (There was a previous
incident from August 1998 which is preserved at web URL;

but I am sufficiently uncertain about it that I have not included it in
this article.)

First Ever Radio Reference - Alan Freeman of BBC-Radio-1

The first time I was ever referred to on the radio was sometime in May or
June of 1990, by Alan Freeman of BBC-Radio-1. Note that this isnt an
"interactive listening" episode, its different, this was Freeman reading
out a letter from one of my "real life" enemies.

Id acrimoniously broken up with some former friends in January of 1990,
and I think they were still trying to cause me trouble in June of that
year. Freeman on his rock show read out a letter from an "Andrew
Turner"; one of my acquaintances from January 1990 had been called Andy
Turner, so I think its the same guy. Freeman quoted Turner as saying
various things about me, in particular Freeman said "thats a hell of a
letter you wrote there Andy", "with a schizophrenic you're never alone",
and something about the "one who wore out his welcome with random
precision" (from the words of the Pink Floyd song).

When I was looking for primary causes of the MI5 persecution, this letter
which Freeman had read out on his programme struck me as being potentially
one of the sources of the persecution. I know Turner and various others in
that group were very bitter at what they saw as their failure and my
undeserved success, and they were quite determined to upset the
applecart. Of course several other primary causes are possible; I do not
know why MI5 chose me as opposed to someone else, and MI5 are hardly
likely to tell me.

"Absolute Obscene" David Hepworth of GLR

This one Ive assigned a 100% rating on the website. There are actually two
separate incidents, which are linked through the D.J.s choice of
words. The first incident can be heard in computer audio at web URL;

On 21/Feb/1997, I was listening to BBC GLR, by stealth. Back in 1990 I
used to have Capital blaring out of the speakers all over the garden ("if
he listens to Capital then he can't be all bad", thanks ever so much). But
now I listen on my walkman on headphones with the volume turned right
down. It could not possibly be overheard by any listening device, no
matter how sensitive, because sound does not carry from the phones.

Yet somehow they are still able to tell which station I am listening to on
the walkman. And last night, I bravely tuned to GLR 94.9FM at around
8.45pm. Everything went well for the first half hour or so. Around 9.10pm,
Hepworth said the following after the song "Come Around" by the
Muttonbirds.

"coming up after this, we got the rock-and-roll A-level, we have, I
assume, Brian do we have an embarrassment of prizes in there, we do, don't
we, absolute obscene amounts of prizes, there will no doubt be a riot at
the back door, and that's, er, A-level coming up after this"

The key phrases in what he said are, "EMBARRASSMENT of prizes", and what
he himself emphasized verbally, "ABSOLUTE OBSCENE amount of prizes". It is
my belief (based on content and tone of voice) that when he spoke these
phrases he knew I was listening, and that the phrases refer directly to my
situation. The "EMBARRASSMENT" is the embarrassment he and other media
people would feel at having their wrongdoing exposed; the "ABSOLUTE
OBSCENE" (which he verbally emphasized) described the disgusting sexual
abuse which the harassers have been throwing at me.

There was a second incident, on 9/May/1997, which may be found on the web
(with computer audio) at URL;

This incident again contains the words "absolute embarrassment of prizes",
with the same emphasis as the first instance, and laughter following the
phrase. So theyre aware of the complaint I made on Usenet after the first
incident; and they are so arrogant that they do exactly the same
again. They are so arrogant, they know they are being recorded and that
what they say will be published on the web, but they dont care. What
corrupt media, and what a corrupt country to have such corruption in its
media.

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 16 2007 3:59 pm
From: olalovejones@gmail.com

PLEASE READ THIS ! ! ! THIS IS NOT A SCAM ! ! ! IM A DESPREATE MOM
WITH NO ONE TO TURN TOO....... MY GOD BLESS YOU

hi my name is lynn. my christmas wish this year is for my kids. i am
going though a very bad time right now i worked for this company for
15 years and two months ago they laid me off. so money is really
tight right now. i get $180.00 every two weeks from unemployment. and
that all has to go towards the rent both checks i get a month if i
don't pay the rent i will be on the streets. and my kids father is not
in there lives. he lefted so we are all alone i couldn't even pay the
gas and they shut it off so it's very hard on my kids. it's just that
i tried to pay it and i would pay 5 or 10 dollars here and there. but
it just caught up and the gas company would not make payment
arrangements with me because i was in default on my bill. so they shut
it off last month. and our thanksgiving was not all that good. i
didn't have much food so we ate chicken nuggents out of the freezer
that i microwaved. all im asking for my wish is to make there
christmas wish come true something for them .

all we have is each other i sit in my bedroom at night and just cry. i
try not to show the kids how bad it is. but they know they ate blind
they see how upset i get. and they all say it's ok we'll be ok mom we
dont need anything.
i'm not asking for anything big just something that they can open on
christmas day. because with me putting all my money away to pay the
gas bill and the rent. i can't get them anything. and i also would
like to be able to give them something a little better to eat on
christmas day. i know you grant alot of wishs every year and your list
is proably long at this time. so im praying to the lord above that you
get this. because you are my only hope and if you could help me. i
would be so very greatful and always in your debt. so i beg you please
grant me and my kids our christmas wish. my kids are very good kids
they go to school every day and bring me home A's and B's so they do
deserve this.
my 5 kids names and age's are as follows.........
my son richard is 16 years old
my daughter elizabeth is 13 years old
my daughter melissa ann is 7 years old
my son william is 5 years old
my youngest daughter gracie lynn is 8 months old
my daughter
so i beg you again please grant me my christmas gift and may you
christmas be bless and all you dreams come true god blees you and kept
you p.s and i promise you this is no scam i do really need help if
you know anyone that can help my email is
( lovenicoletammy@yahoo.com )
and if you are willing to help i have no promable giving you my phone
number and address and im will to send you pictures to show you this
is no scam i do really need somehelp i'll take anything food gift
cards. gifted gift cards anything will help PLEASE HELP ME and please
if you can't help please forward this to someone that you think might
be able to helpme
thank you
very much

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 16 2007 4:35 pm
From: Marsha

olalovejones@gmail.com wrote:
> PLEASE READ THIS ! ! ! THIS IS NOT A SCAM ! ! ! IM A DESPREATE MOM
> WITH NO ONE TO TURN TOO....... MY GOD BLESS YOU
<snipped sob story>

That's why I like this group - good entertainment

Marsha/Ohio

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 16 2007 7:40 pm
From: Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply

olalovejones@gmail.com wrote:
> i'm not asking for anything big just something that they can open on
> christmas day. because with me putting all my money away to pay the
> gas bill and the rent.

The year we were broker than broke and had no money for anything, I came
up with this idea to give each other the gift of appreciation. We had
to write down at least two things for each other person in the family
that we appreciated/liked/respected/whatever about them. The small fry
had two weeks to come up with all this, and each piece of paper was
closed individually (stapled or taped) and given out one at a time. It
was great.

Alternatively, you might ask your church for help (since you say you are
praying to the Lord above, I am guessing you might have some church
contacts) or find a St. Vincent de Paul thrift shop in your community
and see if you quality for help through them. Also as a reference
librarian at the public library if they know of any organizations in
your community to go speak to. That will work better than
cyberpanhandling on the internet.

--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it. Autograph your
work with excellence.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 16 2007 9:19 pm
From: Donna

Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply <mmeahan@TRASHsonic.net> wrote in
news:4765ef98$0$84213$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:

> That will work better than
> cyberpanhandling on the internet.

Unfortunately, Melinda, there are people making a living at
cyberpanhandling and the press eats up the success stories and spits them
out as us like so much unwashed laundry.

If the OP was sincere, more power to her. I like your ideas of appreciation
as gifts. I'll take Paypal donations, thankyouverymuch :)

--
~Donna
http://www.frugalsewing.com
Reduce, reuse, recycle, re-create.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 16 2007 11:47 pm
From: Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply

Donna wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, Melinda, there are people making a living at
> cyberpanhandling and the press eats up the success stories and spits them
> out as us like so much unwashed laundry.

*retch* I guess P.T. Barnum is alive and well on the internet also? I
can't believe people would be suckered in by these things.

--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it. Autograph your
work with excellence.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 16 2007 4:41 pm
From: "Sammy bin Snoozin"

"Fred" <SlateRC@Bedrock.org.net> wrote in message news:n_WdnaWmvIPw0_nanZ2dnUVZ_qGknZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> "John Grabowski" <jgrabows1@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:4763e82c$0$31166$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> >
> > "Sammy bin Snoozin" <SammyBinSnoozin@REyahooMOVE.com> wrote in message
> > news:7fH8j.70$TZ4.61@trnddc02...
> > "Chase" <invalid@here.net> wrote in message news:fjv7f0$oi5$1@aioe.org...
> > >
> > > "Sammy bin Snoozin" wrote
> > >
> > >
> > > >Anyone know another free site where I can move the photos?
> > >
> > > http://photobucket.com/
> >
> > Thanks, Chase. I just uploaded them here...
> >
> > Here's the direct link... http://tinyurl.com/29nrlr
> >
> > The first photo is the earliest. The rest are in reverse chronological
> > order, so the first ones are at the bottom.
> >
> >
> > I ususally use the adjustable depth electrical boxes in the kitchen to
> have
> > the ability to accommadate the final backsplash thickness. Personally I
> > would have remove all of the old wiring and installed all new. I hope
> that
> > the old wiring that you have apparently spliced to the new wiring is #12.
>
>
> Perhaps someone else will correct me, but i'm not comfortable
> with the one picture of the exposed studs underneath where the
> window is going (near the vent stack piping ?).
>
> It looks as if the studs to the right (where the vent stack
> piping is running thru them), are now structurally useless.
> They've been notched/cut and looks as if a piece of sheet metal
> is wrapped around the stud to give an illusion that everything
> is fine.
>
> I'm wondering if the loads on that header will be an issue
> with those studs cut & notched the way they are. Being it's
> an outside wall, it most certainly would be load bearing.
>
> I wouldn't have allowed any plumber to do that if it were my
> home. no way.

Many thanks for the tip, Fred. This was the way the house was built in 1961 and no evidence of lack of support. It's not sheet metal - it's actually a brace specifically used to provide support (at least that's what I was told by the window dude).

However.... I do plan to have an indept contruction feller come by to give me his opinion of the window framing, so I'll post what he says about it.

Thank again, Fred. This is exactly the kind of thing I have no experience in and appreciate the heads up.

Sam

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 16 2007 4:41 pm
From: "Sammy bin Snoozin"

"Guppy the Corpse Pumper" <bunghole-jonnie@lycos.com> wrote in message news:da124939-7b8f-426e-ad60-d823147a7fbd@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 14, 7:47 pm, "Sammy bin Snoozin"
> <SammyBinSnoo...@REyahooMOVE.com> wrote:
> > "Chase" <inva...@here.net> wrote in messagenews:fjv7f0$oi5$1@aioe.org...
> >
> > > "Sammy bin Snoozin" wrote
> >
> > > >Anyone know another free site where I can move the photos?
> >
> > >http://photobucket.com/
> >
> > Thanks, Chase. I just uploaded them here...
> >
> > Here's the direct link...http://tinyurl.com/29nrlr
> >
> > The first photo is the earliest. The rest are in reverse chronological order, so the first ones are at the bottom.
> >
> > Sam
>
>
>
> Geez Sammy!
>
> Are you rebuilding the place or demolishing it?

LOL!! Sure seems like rebuilding... but actually I'm just showing the bad places. The rest of the old shack is pretty decent (except for the dishes in the bathtub). :O)

Sam

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 16 2007 6:33 pm
From: "Mr. Smartypants"

On Dec 16, 5:41 pm, "Sammy bin Snoozin"
<SammyBinSnoo...@REyahooMOVE.com> wrote:
> "Guppy the Corpse Pumper" <bunghole-jon...@lycos.com> wrote in messagenews:da124939-7b8f-426e-ad60-d823147a7fbd@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 14, 7:47 pm, "Sammy bin Snoozin"
> > <SammyBinSnoo...@REyahooMOVE.com> wrote:
> > > "Chase" <inva...@here.net> wrote in messagenews:fjv7f0$oi5$1@aioe.org...
>
> > > > "Sammy bin Snoozin" wrote
>
> > > > >Anyone know another free site where I can move the photos?
>
> > > >http://photobucket.com/
>
> > > Thanks, Chase. I just uploaded them here...
>
> > > Here's the direct link...http://tinyurl.com/29nrlr
>
> > > The first photo is the earliest. The rest are in reverse chronological order, so the first ones are at the bottom.
>
> > > Sam
>
> > Geez Sammy!
>
> > Are you rebuilding the place or demolishing it?
>
> LOL!! Sure seems like rebuilding... but actually I'm just showing the bad places. The rest of the old shack is pretty decent (except for the dishes in the bathtub). :O)
>
> Sam-

Well you can always take the dishes out when you're ready for bed.
Hope it's a l-o-n-n-g tub so you can stretch out.;o)

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>
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 16 2007 6:24 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In <C386FBC5.E9E1%faubillaud@hotmail.com>, Faubillaud wrote in part:

>I like low-energy lightbulbs. In fact, I sell them at the local farmers'
>market to offset my personal carbon sins. But even if a householder replaces
>all their bulbs, the total impact on yearly electricity consumption is
>likely to be no more than about 400 units (kWh) of electricity. A new plasma
>TV bought at the same time will outweigh any energy savings. The government
>talks about banning old-style bulbs, but no one dares mention the explosive
>impact on energy consumption of the latest generation of large TVs and games
>consoles. The power used by these monsters embarrasses their manufacturers
>and the online brochures usually omit all details of electricity use. I
>couldn't find a single retailer that dares to list the power consumption of
>plasma TVs. The best rule for cutting home electricity consumption? Keep
>your old TV. If you still feel the need to buy something, get a new
>super-efficient fridge.

Most flat-screen TVs are LCD ones, which consume about 1/2-2/3 as much
power as CRT ones of the same size when the size is a common CRT size,
75-80% or so for larger sizes such as 32 inches. Plasma TVs consume only
slightly more power than LCD ones of the same size.

This link shows some sampling results indicating that plasma has about
the same power consumption per unit screen area as a CRT, for larger
sizes. Power consumption per unit screen area for CRT is greater in
smaller sizes.

The big factor explaining why plasma TVs consume more power is the fact
that they tend to be big. Size matters!

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 16 2007 7:35 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote:
> In <C386FBC5.E9E1%faubillaud@hotmail.com>, Faubillaud wrote in part:
>
>> I like low-energy lightbulbs. In fact, I sell them at the local
>> farmers' market to offset my personal carbon sins. But even if a
>> householder replaces all their bulbs, the total impact on yearly
>> electricity consumption is likely to be no more than about 400 units
>> (kWh) of electricity. A new plasma TV bought at the same time will
>> outweigh any energy savings. The government talks about banning
>> old-style bulbs, but no one dares mention the explosive impact on
>> energy consumption of the latest generation of large TVs and games
>> consoles. The power used by these monsters embarrasses their
>> manufacturers and the online brochures usually omit all details of
>> electricity use. I couldn't find a single retailer that dares to
>> list the power consumption of plasma TVs. The best rule for cutting
>> home electricity consumption? Keep your old TV. If you still feel
>> the need to buy something, get a new super-efficient fridge.

> Most flat-screen TVs are LCD ones,

Wrong, and you say the opposite below.

> which consume about 1/2-2/3 as much power as CRT ones of the same size when
> the size is a common CRT size, 75-80% or so for larger sizes such as 32 inches.

> Plasma TVs

Which are flat screen TVs.

> consume only slightly more power than LCD ones of the same size.

You say the opposite below.

> This link shows some sampling results indicating that plasma has about the
> same power consumption per unit screen area as a CRT, for larger sizes.

So much for the previous claim.

> Power consumption per unit screen area for CRT is greater in smaller sizes.

> The big factor explaining why plasma TVs consume more
> power is the fact that they tend to be big. Size matters!

There are plenty of LCDs that big too.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 16 2007 8:09 pm
From: Siskuwihane

On Dec 13, 12:49 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Faubillaud <faubill...@hotmail.com> wrote
>
> > Ethical living
> > Carbon myths
> > Recycling and banning plastic bags are all very well, but they won't
> > save the planet. Instead, we should fly less, go vegan and insulate
> > the loft, says Chris Goodall
>
> And you could just cut to the chase and kill yourself thoughtfully too.
>
> Dont make a mess.

Rod's saving the earth by living in a cardboard box.

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