Frugal Living: Jul 28, 2010

Wednesday, July 28, 2010

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 11:54 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Gordon wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> me@privacy.net wrote:
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>> I live in an area with NO TV SIGNAL

>>>> You sure that that is permanent with the change to digital TV ?

>>> My current apartment is down in a "hole" and id have to
>>> put a tower up with antenna on it which I'm not
>>> doing...so in essence I have no signal

>> You sure no one gets digital TV in your area without a tower ?

>> I find that VERY hard to believe.

>> Digital TV is very different to analog TV.

> The RF signal still propagates the same way.

Wrong, you dont get ghosts for starters.

And it works a lot better in weak signal areas too.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 10:41 pm
From: Gordon

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in news:8ba2ghF5b0U1
@mid.individual.net:

>>> Digital TV is very different to analog TV.
>
>> The RF signal still propagates the same way.
>
> Wrong, you dont get ghosts for starters.
>
> And it works a lot better in weak signal areas too.

The RF still propagates the same way. It doesn't
make any difference that there is digital information
modulated onto the carrier. RF is still RF. It behaves
the same regardless of what type of information it
is carying.

Oh, about the ghosts. ATSC tuners and decoders have
circuits that cancel them. You don't see them because
they have been processed out, not because they don't
exist.

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TOPIC: The Nation of Aztlan calls for the removal of whites from North America
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 12:08 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:10:54 -0700 (PDT), slide trombone
<boomer_the_cat@my-deja.com> wrote:

>On Jul 27, 12:23 am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:49:17 -0700 (PDT), Curt <obadiahly...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Jul 26, 1:20 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
>> >> in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
>> >> and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
>> >> not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
>> >> Gunner Asch
>>
>> >Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it
>> >is true that most stupid people are conservative.
>> >John Stuart Mill
>>
>> >Curt
>>
>> You do know that the terms "liberal/conservative" were reversed in the
>> early 20th century, are you not?
>
>No he doesn't know. A college educated person no doubt taught him
>incorrectly.

Pity. No wonder he appears to be a dunce.

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 11:32 am
From: Jeff M

On 7/28/2010 1:10 AM, slide trombone wrote:
> On Jul 27, 12:23 am, Gunner Asch<gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:49:17 -0700 (PDT), Curt<obadiahly...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 26, 1:20 pm, Gunner Asch<gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
>>>> in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
>>>> and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
>>>> not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
>>>> Gunner Asch
>>
>>> Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it
>>> is true that most stupid people are conservative.
>>> John Stuart Mill
>>
>>> Curt
>>
>> You do know that the terms "liberal/conservative" were reversed in the
>> early 20th century, are you not?
>
> No he doesn't know. A college educated person no doubt taught him
> incorrectly.

Nope, it's a lie, and an effort by conservatives to deny their
ideological heritage and claim credit for that which they opposed, much
like all the conservatives claiming to "defend" Medicare in the
healthcare deform debate, even though they opposed it from it's inception.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 4:31 pm
From: "Wayne"

"slide trombone" <boomer_the_cat@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> On Jul 27, 12:23 am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:49:17 -0700 (PDT), Curt <obadiahly...@gmail.com>

I've obviously missed something since I've come to this party a bit late.
What the Fark is the Nation of Aztlan? Is this some front for a resurgence
of Peronism? It can't be associated with Francisco Franco - he is still dead
or at least was last anyone checked. Emiliano Zapata did not die for your
sins nor did Michael Collins even though they met similar ends half a world
away from each other. So what the hell is this?

Now where is that trunk with my Confederate money and bonds? It is beginning
to sound like I may need it.

MWF
AH52
The Road Goes On Forever

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 4:42 pm
From: Bert Hyman

In news:4c50bdd1$0$8225$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com "Wayne"
<dual45s@Tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

> I've obviously missed something since I've come to this party a bit
> late. What the Fark is the Nation of Aztlan?

http://www.aztlan.net/
http://www.adl.org/learn/Aztlan/

--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 6:17 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:31:28 -0400, "Wayne" <dual45s@Tampabay.rr.com>
wrote:

>
>"slide trombone" <boomer_the_cat@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>news:d2fb5be8-2811-4670-9bbc-3d88a05c7340@y12g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 27, 12:23 am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:49:17 -0700 (PDT), Curt <obadiahly...@gmail.com>
>
>I've obviously missed something since I've come to this party a bit late.
>What the Fark is the Nation of Aztlan? Is this some front for a resurgence
>of Peronism? It can't be associated with Francisco Franco - he is still dead
>or at least was last anyone checked. Emiliano Zapata did not die for your
>sins nor did Michael Collins even though they met similar ends half a world
>away from each other. So what the hell is this?
>
>Now where is that trunk with my Confederate money and bonds? It is beginning
>to sound like I may need it.

http://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html

http://www.adl.org/learn/Aztlan/nation.asp

http://www.illegalaliens.us/aztlan.htm

Just a few links to brighten up your day.

Gunner, moving ammo to more usable locations.
One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 3:22 am
From: Owain

On 27 July, 18:06, "Spamlet" wrote:
> Years ago they did feature non dirty newspaper ink in Tomorrow's World.
> Like everything else in that prog, it never caught on.

* The Breathalyser (1967)
* The ATM (1969)
* The pocket calculator (1971)
* The digital watch (1972)
* Teletext (Ceefax) (1975)
* The personal stereo (1980)
* The compact disc and player (1981)
* The camcorder (1981)
* Barcode reader (1983)
* Radio Automation, pioneered on Pirate FM 102 (1992)
* Clockwork radio (1993) (wikipedia)

Admittedly we are still waiting for the car that folds up into a
suitcase

Owain

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 10:30 am
From: Michaelangelo

Owain burst on the scene, and said:
> On 27 July, 18:06, "Spamlet" wrote:
>> Years ago they did feature non dirty newspaper ink in Tomorrow's
>> World. Like everything else in that prog, it never caught on.
>
> * The Breathalyser (1967)
> * The ATM (1969)
> * The pocket calculator (1971)
> * The digital watch (1972)
> * Teletext (Ceefax) (1975)
> * The personal stereo (1980)
> * The compact disc and player (1981)
> * The camcorder (1981)
> * Barcode reader (1983)
> * Radio Automation, pioneered on Pirate FM 102 (1992)
> * Clockwork radio (1993) (wikipedia)

Makes you wonder how they kept TW going for so long! :)

--
Michaelangelo
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Self-catering, holiday accommodation in the Scottish Highlands - for
disabled people:
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== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 3:52 pm
From: The Real Bev

On 07/28/10 03:22, Owain wrote:

> On 27 July, 18:06, "Spamlet" wrote:
>> Years ago they did feature non dirty newspaper ink in Tomorrow's World.
>> Like everything else in that prog, it never caught on.
>
> * The Breathalyser (1967)
> * The ATM (1969)
> * The pocket calculator (1971)

Electronic calculator, roughly the size of an adding machine, came out
much earlier. Nixie tubes.

> * The digital watch (1972)

Pulsars -- red LEDs of some sortg -- came out in the early 60s. Expensive.

> * Teletext (Ceefax) (1975)
> * The personal stereo (1980)
> * The compact disc and player (1981)
> * The camcorder (1981)
> * Barcode reader (1983)
> * Radio Automation, pioneered on Pirate FM 102 (1992)
> * Clockwork radio (1993) (wikipedia)
>
> Admittedly we are still waiting for the car that folds up into a
> suitcase

...and flies.

--
Cheers,
Bev
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
"Some people are alive only because it is illegal to kill them."
-- Lionel

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 5:39 pm
From: "234" <234@45.com>

The Real Bev wrote:
> On 07/28/10 03:22, Owain wrote:
>
>> On 27 July, 18:06, "Spamlet" wrote:
>>> Years ago they did feature non dirty newspaper ink in Tomorrow's
>>> World. Like everything else in that prog, it never caught on.
>>
>> * The Breathalyser (1967)
>> * The ATM (1969)
>> * The pocket calculator (1971)

> Electronic calculator, roughly the size of an adding machine, came out
> much earlier. Nixie tubes.

Nope, not that much earlier.

>> * The digital watch (1972)

> Pulsars -- red LEDs of some sortg -- came out in the early 60s.

Nope, later than that.

> Expensive.

>> * Teletext (Ceefax) (1975)
>> * The personal stereo (1980)
>> * The compact disc and player (1981)
>> * The camcorder (1981)
>> * Barcode reader (1983)
>> * Radio Automation, pioneered on Pirate FM 102 (1992)
>> * Clockwork radio (1993) (wikipedia)
>>
>> Admittedly we are still waiting for the car that folds up into a suitcase

> ...and flies.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 8:58 pm
From: The Real Bev

On 07/28/10 17:39, 234 wrote:

> The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 07/28/10 03:22, Owain wrote:
>>> On 27 July, 18:06, "Spamlet" wrote:
>>>> Years ago they did feature non dirty newspaper ink in Tomorrow's
>>>> World. Like everything else in that prog, it never caught on.
>>>
>>> * The Breathalyser (1967)
>>> * The ATM (1969)
>>> * The pocket calculator (1971)
>
>> Electronic calculator, roughly the size of an adding machine, came out
>> much earlier. Nixie tubes.
>
> Nope, not that much earlier.

Yeah it was. We may still have it :-(

>>> * The digital watch (1972)
>
>> Pulsars -- red LEDs of some sort -- came out in the early 60s.
>
> Nope, later than that.

Nope yourself. Well, maybe they took that long to hit Oz, but I
remember being at a gas station in Bakersfield and asking a guy to push
the button on his Pulsar. This is before our first kid was born in
1964. We also acquired a stray calico kitten there, which we gave to my
mother-in-law. She was an exceptionally good cat, and now Bakersfield
cats have assumed a position of superiority in our family.

Gotta add 234 to my killfile, Rod. Sorry, but you earned it. The brain
inside isn't worth the trouble of scraping off the crap outside.

--
Cheers, Bev
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"You can make a signature quote seem authoritative by
attributing it to a famous person." --- Sun Tzu

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 9:30 pm
From: Matty F

On Jul 29, 3:58 pm, The Real Bev <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 07/28/10 17:39, 234 wrote:
>
> > The Real Bev wrote:

> >>> * The pocket calculator (1971)
>
> >> Electronic calculator, roughly the size of an adding machine, came out
> >> much earlier. Nixie tubes.
>
> > Nope, not that much earlier.
>
> Yeah it was. We may still have it :-(

I used an electronic calculator with Nixie tubes in 1962 at
University.
Quite possbly this model:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumlock_ANITA_calculator

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 11:32 pm
From: Mike Barnes

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>:
>On 07/28/10 03:22, Owain wrote:
>> * The digital watch (1972)
>
>Pulsars -- red LEDs of some sortg -- came out in the early 60s.

Are you sure? Wikipedia says:

In the spring of 1972, the first Pulsar watch was marketed by The
Hamilton Watch Co. [...] With an 18-karat gold case, the world's
first all-electronic digital watch was also the first to use a
digital display — created with LEDs.

--
Mike Barnes

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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 7:50 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jul 28, 12:56 am, "5621 Dead, 754 since 1/20/09"
<dea...@deadduz.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:42:21 -0500, Michael Dobony wrote:
> > On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:31:38 -0400, homey wrote:
>
> >> On 7/27/2010 10:54 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
> >> Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote:
>
> >> Probably a good way to get your rapture ticket revoked.
>
> > Based on what scripture.
>
> Well, there's a bit in Leviticus where if a priest is ascending the steps
> to make the sacrifice of the fatted calf, and his testicles become
> visible to the congregents, he is to be put to death.
>
> I'm not sure that covers one-cheek sneaks into the pew pillow, though.

Not sure whether God will take that as accident or that you give a
fart...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5-59PI4kOs

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 8:57 am
From: Jack

Man who fart in church sit in own pew.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 10:00 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jul 28, 12:20 pm, e_space <espace1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> how am i discouraging people who want to improve the world? or do you
> just make kelseys as a matter of habit?

Listen, if you go and fart under the tree, the tree absorbs the gases,
so that's an improvement in itself. Thus Sundays are better spent on a
hammock than in church.

And nobody gives a fart.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 10:49 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jul 28, 1:18 pm, "5621 Dead, 754 since 1/20/098" <dead@dead> wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:01:02 -0700 (PDT), "His Highness the
> TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock"
>
> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >On Jul 28, 12:20 pm, e_space <espace1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> how am i discouraging people who want to improve the world? or do you
> >> just make kelseys as a matter of habit?
>
> >Listen, if you go and fart under the tree, the tree absorbs the gases,
> >so that's an improvement in itself. Thus Sundays are better spent on a
> >hammock than in church.
>
> >And nobody gives a fart.
>
> I don't think most trees are real keen on methane, nitrogen and
> hydrogen sulphide.

So it may actually kill it?

I have a Peace Lilly at home and she's still alive!

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 10:50 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

So it may actually kill it?

I have a Peace Lilly at home and she's still alive!

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 6:56 pm
From: "Janie"

"Jack" <furgfurgfurg@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Man who fart in church sit in own pew.
LOL!

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 11:00 am
From: tripletask@gmail..com

On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:10:37 -0400, No Surrender@never.net wrote:

>AN E-MAIL FROM A FRIEND
>
>HEAD: What if 20 Million Illegal Aliens Vacated America?
>I, Tina Griego, journalist for the Denver Rocky Mountain News wrote a column titled, "Mexican Visitor's Lament"- 10/25/07.
>
>I interviewed Mexican journalist Evangelina Hernandez while visiting Denver last week. Hernandez said, "illegal aliens pay
>rent, buy groceries, buy clothes. What Happens to your country's economy if 20 million people go away?"
>
> Hummm, I thought, what would happen, so I did my due diligence, buried my nose as a reporter into the FACTS I found below.
>It's a good question it deserves an honest answer. Over 80% of Americans demand secured borders and illegal migration
>stopped. But what would happen if all 20 million or more vacated America? The answers I found may surprise you!
>
>In California, if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back to Mexico, it would leave an extra $10.2 billion to spend on
>overloaded school systems, bankrupt hospitals and overrun prisons. It would leave highways cleaner, safer and less congested.
>Everyone could understand one another as English became the dominant language again.
>
>In Colorado, 500,000 illegal migrants, plus their 300,000 kids and grandchilds would move back 'home', mostly to Mexico.
>
> That would save Colorado an estimated $2 billion (other experts say $7 billion) annually in taxes that pay for schooling,
>medical, social-services and incarceration costs. It means 12,000 gang members would vanish out of Denver alone.
>
>Colorado would save more than $20 million in prison costs, and the terror that those 7,300 alien criminals set upon local
>citizens. Denver Officer Don Young and hundreds of Colorado victims would not have suffered death, accidents, rapes and other
>crimes by illegals.
>
>Denver Public Schools would not suffer a 67% dropout/flunk rate because of thousands of illegal alien students speaking 41
>different languages. At least 200,000 vehicles would vanish from our grid locked cities in Colorado. Denver's 4%
>unemployment rate would vanish as our working poor would gain jobs at a living wage.
>
>In Florida, 1.5 million illegals would return the Sunshine State back to America, the rule of law, and English.
>In Chicago, Illinois, 2.1 million illegals would free up hospitals, schools, prisons and highways for a safer, cleaner and
>more crime-free experience.
>
>If 20 million illegal aliens returned 'home', the U.S. Economy would return to the rule of law. Employers would hire legal
>American citizens at a living wage. Everyone would pay their fair share of taxes because they wouldn't be working off the
>books. That would result in an additional $401 Billion in IRS income taxes collected annually, and an equal amount for local,
>state and city coffers.
>
>No more push '1' for Spanish or '2' for English. No more confusion in American schools that now must contend with over 100
>languages that degrade the educational system for American kids. Our overcrowded schools would lose more than two million
>illegal alien kids at a cost of billions in ESL and free breakfasts and lunches.
>
>We would lose 500,000 illegal criminal alien inmates at a cost of more than $1.6 billion annually. That includes 15,000 MS-13
>gang members who distribute $130 billion in drugs annually would vacate our country.
>
>In cities like L.A., 20,000 members of the '18th Street Gang' would vanish from our nation. No more Mexican forgery gangs for
>ID theft from Americans! No more foreign rapists and child molesters!
>
>Losing more than 20 million people would clear up our crowded highways and gridlock. Cleaner air and less drinking and
>driving American deaths by illegal aliens!
>
>America's economy is drained. Taxpayers are harmed. Employers get rich. Over $80 billion annually wouldn't return to the
>aliens' home countries by cash transfers. Illegal migrants earned half that money untaxed, which further drains America 's
>economy which currently suffers an $8.7 trillion debt.
>
>$8.7 trillion debt.
>
>At least 400,000 anchor babies would not be born in our country, costing us $109 billion per year per cycle. At least 86
>hospitals in California, Georgia and Florida would still be operating instead of being bankrupt out of existence because
>illegals pay nothing via the EMTOLA Act.
>
>Americans wouldn't suffer thousands of TB and hepatitis cases rampant in our country-brought in by illegals unscreened at our
>borders.
>
>Our cities would see 20 million less people driving, polluting and grid locking our cities. It would also put the
>'progressives' on the horns of a dilemma; illegal aliens and their families cause 11% of our greenhouse gases.
>Over one million of Mexico's poorest citizens now live inside and along our border from Brownsville, Texas to San Diego,
>California in what the New York Times called, 'colonias' or new neighborhoods. Trouble is, those living areas resemble Bombay
>and Calcutta where grinding poverty, filth, diseases, drugs, crimes, no sanitation and worse. They live without sewage,
>clean water, streets, roads, electricity, or any kind of sanitation.
>
>The New York Times reported them to be America's new 'Third World' inside our own country. Within 20 years, at their current
>growth rate, they expect 20 million residents of those colonias. (I've seen them personally in Texas and Arizona; it's
>sickening beyond anything you can imagine.)
>
>By enforcing our laws, we could repatriate them back to Mexico. We should invite 20 million aliens to go home, fix their own
>countries and/or make a better life in Mexico We already invite a million people into our country legally more than all other
>countries combined annually. We cannot and must not allow anarchy at our borders, more anarchy within our borders and growing
>lawlessness at every level in our nation. It's time to stand up for our country, our culture, our civilization and our way of
>life.
>
>Interesting Statistics!
>
>Here are 14 reasons illegal aliens should vacate America, and I hope they are forwarded over and over again until they are
>read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them:
>1. $14 billion to $22 billion dollars are spent each year on welfare to illegal aliens.(that's Billion with a 'B') -
>http://tinyurl.com/zob77
>2. $2.2 billion dollars are spent each year on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for
>illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
>3. $7.5 billion dollars are spent each year on Medicaid for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
>4. $12 billion dollars are spent each year on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they
>still cannot speak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
>5. $27 billion dollars are spent each year for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor
>babies. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
>6. $3 Million Dollars 'PER DAY' is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. That's $1.2 Billion a
>year.http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
>7. 28% percent of all federal prison inmates are illegal aliens.
>http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
>8. $190 billion dollars are spent each year on illegal aliens for welfare & social services by the American taxpayers. -
>http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0610/29/ldt.01.html
>9. $200 billion dollars per year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
>http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
>10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens.
>In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US.
>http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0606/12/ldt.01.html
>11. During the year 2005, there were 8 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our southern border with as many as 19,500
>illegal aliens from other terrorist countries Over 10,000 of those were middle-eastern terrorists. Millions of pounds of
>drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine, crack, Guns, and marijuana crossed into the U.S.from the southern border.
>http://tinyurl.com/t9sht
>12. The National Policy Institute, estimates that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion,
>or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period and nbsp;
>-http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute./ .. org/publications.php?b=deportation
>13. In 2006, illegal aliens sent home $65 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin, to their families and
>friends. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
>14. The dark side of illegal immigration: Nearly one million sex crimes are committed by illegal immigrants in the United
>States! http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
> Total cost a whopping $538 . 3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR!
>
> If this doesn't bother YOU, then just delete the message. Otherwise, forward this to everyone YOU know!
>************
>No surrender!
>
>Dionysus

Thanks for the info and links.
>
Many Americans don't understand the finacial impact of illegals. They
do understand the crime, fith, and decay brought by these invaders.

>
>
>
>
>
>
>

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 1:18 pm
From: Hachiroku ハチロク

On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:00:30 -0400, tripletask wrote:

>>AN E-MAIL FROM A FRIEND
>>
>>HEAD: What if 20 Million Illegal Aliens Vacated America?
>>I, Tina Griego, journalist for the Denver Rocky Mountain News wrote a column titled, "Mexican Visitor's Lament"- 10/25/07.
>>
>>I interviewed Mexican journalist Evangelina Hernandez while visiting Denver last week. Hernandez said, "illegal aliens pay
>>rent, buy groceries, buy clothes. What Happens to your country's economy if 20 million people go away?"

I don't know but I'm willing to take a chance and find out...

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 2:05 pm
From: "h"

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@e86.GTS> wrote in message news:4c5090e0$0$74751
>
> I don't know but I'm willing to take a chance and find out...

Me too, me too!

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 9:10 am
From: gb

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 00:31:27 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:08:12 -0700, gb <gb@amusenet.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:03:36 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Asian Indians are not white, but a polyglot mixture of Indo/Persian
>>>middle eastern stock.
>>
>>That stock is Caucasian, as defined.
>
>As defined by fellow retards?
>
>Yes..I imagine so.

Clearly you Imagine much. But the Indo/Persian group remains Caucasian
withal.

Anthropology Of or being a human racial classification distinguished
especially by very light to brown skin pigmentation and straight to
wavy or curly hair, and including peoples indigenous to Europe,
northern Africa, western Asia, and India.

...

In scientific racism, the term Caucasian race (or Caucasoid, sometimes
also Europid, or Europoid[1]) has been used to denote the general
physical type of some or all of the indigenous human populations of
Europe, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, West Asia, Central Asia, and
South Asia.[2][3]

In common use in American English, the term "Caucasian" (rarely
supplemented with "race") is sometimes restricted to Europeans and
other lighter-skinned populations within these areas, and may be
considered equivalent to the varying definitions of white people. The
term continues to be widely used in many scientific and general
contexts, usually with its more restricted sense of "white",
specifically White American in a US context.

...

So much for mere usage -- which does tend to vary.

As to whether or not the term has any current valid Scientific meaning
at all (along with other alleged "racial" descriptors, that is), the
debate is On:

http://www.stewartsynopsis.com/chapter_7.htm

Today The American Anthropological Association declares there is no
such thing as race which is merely a "social construct." If that is
the new scientific principle, then….There are plenty of scientific
facts to back up this principle. ..."

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 2:39 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 06:29:00 -0500, John Stafford <nhoj@droffats.ten>
wrote:

>In article <kn2t46p9hbdg8r4rri4j59t90ej6tgrms5@4ax.com>,
> Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Phewww!
>>
>> Air freshner, asle 3!!
>
>Yer supposed to be at the door greeting people, ya old fart! Learn yer
>job.

Why..and deprive you of your job?

Gunner

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 2:40 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 06:26:26 -0500, John Stafford <nhoj@droffats.ten>
wrote:

>In article <4r2t46ljquakmtvl1rfroblifopmerj75k@4ax.com>,
> Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Indeed. At the period of time when current day Conservatives were called
>> Liberal..and modern day Liberals were called Conservative
>
>When all else fails, Gunner rewrites history.
>
>You are confused. In the early 20th century the Republicans were also
>nominally conservationists (in today's sense and don't confuse that with
>'conservatism'): that trend has reversed. It does not imply that somehow
>there was a massive, universal political role reversal.

You didnt read the link that I provided, while you were puckered up in
Denial, did you....

Pity

Gunner

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 11:10 pm
From: slide trombone

On Jul 27, 12:23 am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:49:17 -0700 (PDT), Curt <obadiahly...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Jul 26, 1:20 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
> >> in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
> >> and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
> >> not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
> >> Gunner Asch
>
> >Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it
> >is true that most stupid people are conservative.
> >John Stuart Mill
>
> >Curt
>
> You do know that the terms "liberal/conservative" were reversed in the
> early 20th century, are you not?

No he doesn't know. A college educated person no doubt taught him
incorrectly.

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 10:06 am
From: "Spamlet"

"john hamilton" <bluestar95@mail.invalid> wrote in message
news:i2midd$r35$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> After reading our newspapers we end up with an oily dirt on our hands, but
> not after reading the magazine supplements that come inside the newspapers
> or the television guide magazines.
>
> I wondering what the significance is with regard to using sheets from the
> magazines with regard to wrapping food. I know you are not suppose to use
> newspaper. But is it alright to use the magazine sheets for wrapping food?
> Also are they both alright to use in garden composting? This question is
> also relevant when using dampened magazine sheets to clean down food
> surfaces and clean windows etc.
>
> Would anyone know how to explain simply how the method of printing is done
> differently between the magazines and the newspapers? Thanks for any
> advice.

I think you only need to use your nose: though with widespread colour the
line between magazine and newspaper is increasingly blurred. Most magazines
smell horrible, and many give me a headache, therefore the ink isn't dry,
and you don't want it in your food. (Some may be done on photocopiers, but
even cured plastic toner can transfer on to say over head projector slides
if you leave them stacked together too long.) I'm a bit out of date but
one of the more headachy solvents I used to hate and smell in magazines was
cyclohexanone. There are large numbers of inks and formulations as there is
still a touch of alchemy involved. Many magazines still have ink that
doesn't dry completely and you can quite often get a reversed image if you
insert a piece of plastic and weigh it down for a while. You probably don't
smudge it because most of the time your fingers are on the border of a
magazine whereas you tend to touch the ink when you are folding the
newspaper to read it.

Shiny magazine paper is a pain to anyone who likes to make notes in margins
etc. as biro smudges all over the place and pencil either won't write on it
or rips it to pieces.

Years ago they did feature non dirty newspaper ink in Tomorrow's World.
Like everything else in that prog, it never caught on.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 12:42 pm
From: harry

On 27 July, 13:11, "john hamilton" <bluesta...@mail.invalid> wrote:
> After reading our newspapers we end up with an oily dirt on our hands, but
> not after reading the magazine supplements that come inside the newspapers
> or the television guide magazines.
>
> I wondering what the significance is with regard to using sheets from the
> magazines with regard to wrapping food. I know you are not suppose to use
> newspaper. But is it alright to use the magazine sheets for wrapping food?
> Also are they both alright to use in garden composting? This question is
> also relevant when using dampened magazine sheets to clean down food
> surfaces and clean windows etc.
>
> Would anyone know how to explain simply how the method of printing is done
> differently between the magazines and the newspapers? Thanks for any
> advice.

Newspaper is made almost entirely out of bleached wood fibres and
won't take a sharp image.
Magazine paper has a high proportion of china clay in it which give
the smoother finish.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coated_paper
Traditionally at least newspaper ink had traces of antimony and lead
from the type metal. (poisonous)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_metal
I think this is why they gave up wrapping fish & chips in newspaper!

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 4:22 pm
From: Matty F

On Jul 28, 12:11 am, "john hamilton" <bluesta...@mail.invalid> wrote:
> After reading our newspapers we end up with an oily dirt on our hands,

When I were a lad, my mother used to make our sandwiches on newspaper.
I was sometimes able to read the writing on my sandwiches by using a
mirror!

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 8:10 pm
From: Mark Thorson

john hamilton wrote:
>
> Would anyone know how to explain simply how the method of printing is done
> differently between the magazines and the newspapers? Thanks for any
> advice.

The paper is much different. Glossy magazine paper
is filled with kaolin (a mineral) and casein (protein
from milk) as sizing and surface treatment. The printing
process is also much different, with many more steps
for a magazine page. For example, when there is both
a glossy and a dull surface texture on the same page,
that means they've done an extra pass to print a layer
of shellac. Magazine papers may also have odorant
additives. I would not use those papers for anything.

== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 11:41 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

(time for some thought-provoking fun)

When they do it's because the "animal inside" is sending bodily
signals more powerful than their heavenly wishes, and it's time for
meditation...

Why pigs fart? Do pigs have a god, and what he looks like? Why do we
still eat them when they are smarter than dogs? Is farting
contributing to Climate Change more than SUVs? Shouldn't I be riding a
bike to avoid filth? Are pigs really filthier than us? Have you
thought of adopting a pig instead of just another cat or dog?

Whatever you say, don't say I don't give a fart!

-------------------------------------------------------

THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS

"I give a fart about the world"

http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION (when the revolution is
the solution)

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 2:41 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jul 27, 4:32 pm, e_space <espace1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> some people dont even need a bad reason to be rude, let alone a good
> one

All you gotta do is stop going to church and, say, go riding a bike.
It doesn't matter if you fart on a bike.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 3:00 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

People have to start thinking outside the box... When they drive an
SUV to church, isn't it passing gasses too?

Do they know why the UK is much lower in gas emissions?

"The United States and the United Kingdom are very similar in their
standards of living, but Britain uses 40 percent less energy. The
World's Laura Lynch looks at why."

http://www.theworld.org/2010/07/27/why-brits-use-less-energy-than-americans/

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 4:02 pm
From: Forrest Hodge

On 7/27/2010 6:00 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote:
>
> People have to start thinking outside the box... When they drive an
> SUV to church, isn't it passing gasses too?
>
> Do they know why the UK is much lower in gas emissions?
>
> "The United States and the United Kingdom are very similar in their
> standards of living, but Britain uses 40 percent less energy. The
> World's Laura Lynch looks at why."
>
> http://www.theworld.org/2010/07/27/why-brits-use-less-energy-than-americans/
>

Having 5x times the population might have something to do with it....

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 4:14 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jul 27, 7:02 pm, Forrest Hodge <f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/27/2010 6:00 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
>
> Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote:
>
> > People have to start thinking outside the box... When they drive an
> > SUV to church, isn't it passing gasses too?
>
> > Do they know why the UK is much lower in gas emissions?
>
> > "The United States and the United Kingdom are very similar in their
> > standards of living, but Britain uses 40 percent less energy. The
> > World's Laura Lynch looks at why."
>
> >http://www.theworld.org/2010/07/27/why-brits-use-less-energy-than-ame...
>
> Having 5x times the population might have something to do with it....

This is per capita. It has to with land availability AND rational
policies. They put a cap on London's growth in the '30, and here in
Miami we keep expanding into the Everglades, breaking our own zoning
regulations, even though our density is very, very low.

The program is very interesting. People there actually try to get
alone, not kill each other. NYC is not that different though.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 12:19 pm
From: Lady Veteran

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:45:07 -0400, Jeff Thies <jeff_thies@att.net>
wrote:

>Lady Veteran wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:55:33 -0400, "h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Checkmate" <LunaticFringe@The.Edge> wrote in message
>>> news:MPG.26b7b61c3c4ac382989fe5@news.alt.net...
>>>> Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by
>>>> Checkmate. Oh, yeah... Veronica says I should also mention that Penny
>>>> said the
>>>> following:
>>>>> http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/38414189/ns/today-todaytravel/
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> The woman, a petite 5-foot-4, 110 pounds, said she was flying standby
>>
>> She was flying standby
>>
>>>>> When she was told her seat was needed because a late-arriving passenger?s
>>>>> girth was too wide for just one, she had some questions.
>>
>> This passenger had already purchased two seats.
>
>No. That is wrong.
>
>Southwest generally requires large passengers to buy two tickets. But in
>this case, the child's parents had purchased only one.
>
>http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20011748-10391704.html
>
>No doubt, that is where the problem arose.
>
>Myself, I'm not thinking too well of the obese traveling. I got pinned
>into my seat recently by a fatty who took the adjacent seat and part of
>mine.
>
> Jeff
>>
>>>> Only 14, and already a fat slob... disgusting.
>>
>> Yes you are. You know NOTHING about this person.
>>
>> I am glad you are a COWARD in real life. I would not want to hear your
>> whining.
>>
>> LV
>>
So the fat should not travel? I think that buying two seats is more
than a decent solution to the problem. The responsible fat person will
buy two seats or travel first class where the seats are bigger.

Those who don't should be bumped. However this is for the EXTREMELY
fat person, not someone who just looks that way.

"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."

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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 8:01 pm
From: "SteveHorn[Caduceus]ForgingAsGrosvenor"

MSNBC: Petite woman bumped from plane for hefty passenger

Most sensible airlines, REFUSE TO ALLOW late-arrivibg passengers to board -
usually 20 minutes before taking off.

In other wordsd, lardbuckets should not have been allowed boarding, let alone
forcing an already boarded passengerr out of her seat.

On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:43:21 -0400, Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <MPG.26b7b61c3c4ac382989fe5@news.alt.net>,
> Checkmate <LunaticFringe@The.Edge> wrote:

>> Only 14, and already a fat slob... disgusting. Also, if the passenger was late
>> enough that they reassigned her seat to a standby passenger, that decision
>> should have been irreversible. If you can't get there on time, that's on
>> you.

> Yeah but since he seemed to be flying alone, I am sure that SW did not
>want the liability associated with keeping an eye on the 14 y/o (let
>alone the cost of feeding him) until the next flight.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 8:30 pm
From: Jeff Thies

Lady Veteran wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:45:07 -0400, Jeff Thies <jeff_thies@att.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Lady Veteran wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:55:33 -0400, "h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Checkmate" <LunaticFringe@The.Edge> wrote in message
>>>> news:MPG.26b7b61c3c4ac382989fe5@news.alt.net...
>>>>> Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by
>>>>> Checkmate. Oh, yeah... Veronica says I should also mention that Penny
>>>>> said the
>>>>> following:
>>>>>> http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/38414189/ns/today-todaytravel/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The woman, a petite 5-foot-4, 110 pounds, said she was flying standby
>>> She was flying standby
>>>
>>>>>> When she was told her seat was needed because a late-arriving passenger?s
>>>>>> girth was too wide for just one, she had some questions.
>>> This passenger had already purchased two seats.
>> No. That is wrong.
>>
>> Southwest generally requires large passengers to buy two tickets. But in
>> this case, the child's parents had purchased only one.
>>
>> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20011748-10391704.html
>>
>> No doubt, that is where the problem arose.
>>
>> Myself, I'm not thinking too well of the obese traveling. I got pinned
>> into my seat recently by a fatty who took the adjacent seat and part of
>> mine.
>>
>> Jeff
>>>>> Only 14, and already a fat slob... disgusting.
>>> Yes you are. You know NOTHING about this person.
>>>
>>> I am glad you are a COWARD in real life. I would not want to hear your
>>> whining.
>>>
>>> LV
>>>
> So the fat should not travel? I think that buying two seats is more
> than a decent solution to the problem. The responsible fat person will
> buy two seats or travel first class where the seats are bigger.
>
> Those who don't should be bumped. However this is for the EXTREMELY
> fat person, not someone who just looks that way.

I have no problem whatsoever for anyone who buys two seats. I have a
problem when they take up more than one, when they are only entitled to one.

This kid only bought one seat. Not his/her fault, but the parents who
no doubt were trying to save money. Perhaps they did not even know she
would need two. It's all rather complex with a young girl traveling
alone, stewardesses who are uninformative, and a customer who just
doesn't want to me jerked around. In an environment where the airline
has been harshly criticized for doing the opposite. We don't even know
how fat this girl is.

To make a blanket assumption on right and wrong in this case, I find
to be too republican for my taste.

Jeff
>
> LV
>

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 2:44 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

me@privacy.net wrote:
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>> I live in an area with NO TV SIGNAL

>> You sure that that is permanent with the change to digital TV ?

> My current apartment is down in a "hole" and id have to
> put a tower up with antenna on it which I'm not
> doing...so in essence I have no signal

You sure no one gets digital TV in your area without a tower ?

I find that VERY hard to believe.

Digital TV is very different to analog TV.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 11:22 pm
From: Gordon

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in news:8b929qF4a0U1
@mid.individual.net:

> me@privacy.net wrote:
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>> I live in an area with NO TV SIGNAL
>
>>> You sure that that is permanent with the change to digital TV ?
>
>> My current apartment is down in a "hole" and id have to
>> put a tower up with antenna on it which I'm not
>> doing...so in essence I have no signal
>
> You sure no one gets digital TV in your area without a tower ?
>
> I find that VERY hard to believe.
>
> Digital TV is very different to analog TV.
>
>
>

The RF signal still propagates the same way.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 11:36 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <t7tt46l3gugekh9628sncmtjt60qku26k2@4ax.com>, me@privacy.net
wrote:

> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> I live in an area with NO TV SIGNAL
> >
> >You sure that that is permanent with the change to digital TV ?
>
> My current apartment is down in a "hole" and id have to
> put a tower up with antenna on it which I'm not
> doing...so in essence I have no signal

Why not http://hulu.com ?

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 11:54 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Gordon wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> me@privacy.net wrote:
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>> I live in an area with NO TV SIGNAL

>>>> You sure that that is permanent with the change to digital TV ?

>>> My current apartment is down in a "hole" and id have to
>>> put a tower up with antenna on it which I'm not
>>> doing...so in essence I have no signal

>> You sure no one gets digital TV in your area without a tower ?

>> I find that VERY hard to believe.

>> Digital TV is very different to analog TV.

> The RF signal still propagates the same way.

Wrong, you dont get ghosts for starters.

And it works a lot better in weak signal areas too.

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Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 9:58 pm
From: Jeff Thies

Jeff Thies wrote:
> I've heard the hype over HD radio, but so far haven't seen much in the
> way of products. Anyone listening to HD on either a portable or at home,
> and how did you do it?
>

Bought an Isignia NS-HD01. It's the only portable I could find. At Best
Buy, $39, with a USB rechargeable LiIon.

After taking back the first one because the display didn't work,
round 2 is more successful. Some 41 Stations here in Atlanta. Sound is
good, ergonomics OK. Listening to Billie Holiday now...

Jeff

> Jeff

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