Frugal Living: Apr 3, 2008

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TOPIC: Frugal Online Access Without Landline
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Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 6:00 pm
From: Gordon

mwmiller314@gmail.com wrote in news:715ce8cf-6ae5-4eef-a5fb-22fc58959a45
@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:

> What are the better ways to get frugal online access without a land
> line?
>
> Any help Appreciated,
> Matt

Sharing a broadband connection with a neighbor.
With their permission, of course. They may be
able to hook you up through their wifi, or run
a length of cable to you. Of coures you offer
to help pay for the service. NB: Many ISP's
frown on this type of sharing, but don't really
try to detect it.

Your neighbore may be a local coffee shop that
has wifi reachable with a cantenna (google it).
Again, get an agreement with them before you just
decide to freeload.

Some communities offer a free wifi cloud. Here in
Portland, OR we have Metro-fi and THe Personal Telco
Project.

Your Cell phone can also access the internet. Sprint,
AT&T, and Verizon offer teathered or phone as modem
data access services. I tried this with my laptop
and Sprint phone. You have to download and install
a piece of software. There are two ways to go on this.
You can use the call manaager provided by your wireless
carrier, or you can download the CDMA modem driver
provided by your phone manufacturer. Be carefull, though.
If you don't have a data plan with your carrier (shop on
line for the best rates), you will be charged per Kbyte.
That can be very un-frugal. There was a guy who ran up
a $12,000 cell phone bill by downloading movie trailers
via his cell phone.

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TOPIC: Contractors and the do-not-call list
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 6:09 pm
From: sarge137

On Apr 3, 5:47 pm, "SpammersDie" <x...@xx.xx> wrote:
> "Dave" <no...@nohow.not> wrote in message
>
> news:20080403164755.fba1cd77.noway@nohow.not...
>
>
>
> >> We'd all be better off; and would probably save a ton of tax dollars
> >> that could be redirected to more important matters; if the feds would
> >> simply do away with the DNC Registry, and require that all telecoms
> >> provide caller ID to all their subscribers, and ban ID blocking and
> >> anonymous calling. Each person could then decide for themselves if
> >> they want to answer that call. No more problems, no more whining.
>
> >> Regards,
> >> Sarge
>
> > There is a huge problem with that solution, though. Who wants the phone
> > to ring hundreds of times a day so that you have to run to the caller ID
> > box to see that you don't want to answer it AGAIN?!?
>
> What would be better is a technological solution more in line with this day
> and age.
>
> The phone should not just ring automatically. It should compare caller-id to
> a set of whitelist rules the owner programs into the phone. Depending on the
> result and the owner's whims, the phone can ...
>
> - Let the call ring thru (caller matches friend-and-family list.)
>
> - Don't ring thru - let caller leave message (caller matches a pizza
> delivery outfit you just ordered from .)
>
> - Block caller unless caller passes a CAPTCHA (depending the owner's
> nastiness, CAPTCHA could range from "Please punch <random number> on your
> touch-tone phone." to "Please enter the number of red-haired passengers
> known to be onboard the second jet that hit the WTC")
>
> - Don't let the call ring thru - caller hears automated message offering
> opportunity to leave a five minute message for a fee of $5 (exact amount set
> by phone owner.) Phone owner can choose to waive fee if message turns out to
> be worth the time to listen to, at his sole discretion (not recognized by
> list.)
>
> - Don't let the call ring thru - caller hears automated message offering
> opportunity to leave a message for a fee of $5,000,000,000 unless caller
> explicitly opts out by punching a 30 digit sequence with in the next ten
> seconds (caller matches known telemarketer.)
>
> - Block call entirely (caller matches boss at work.)

Perfect! When do we start!!! :-)

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 6:31 pm
From: Terryc

The Real Bev wrote:
> I get at least one call per day from some home-improvement contracting
> company -- not the same one, all different.

If you don't require the telephone to be available 24x7, just answer
"I'll go get him for you and lay the handset down and walk away"

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 8:17 pm
From: The Real Bev

SpammersDie wrote:

> "Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote:
>>>
>>> We'd all be better off; and would probably save a ton of tax dollars
>>> that could be redirected to more important matters; if the feds would
>>> simply do away with the DNC Registry, and require that all telecoms
>>> provide caller ID to all their subscribers, and ban ID blocking and
>>> anonymous calling. Each person could then decide for themselves if
>>> they want to answer that call. No more problems, no more whining.
>>
>> There is a huge problem with that solution, though. Who wants the phone
>> to ring hundreds of times a day so that you have to run to the caller ID
>> box to see that you don't want to answer it AGAIN?!?
>
> What would be better is a technological solution more in line with this day
> and age.
>
> The phone should not just ring automatically. It should compare caller-id to
> a set of whitelist rules the owner programs into the phone. Depending on the
> result and the owner's whims, the phone can ...
>
> - Let the call ring thru (caller matches friend-and-family list.)
>
> - Don't ring thru - let caller leave message (caller matches a pizza
> delivery outfit you just ordered from .)
>
> - Block caller unless caller passes a CAPTCHA (depending the owner's
> nastiness, CAPTCHA could range from "Please punch <random number> on your
> touch-tone phone." to "Please enter the number of red-haired passengers
> known to be onboard the second jet that hit the WTC")
>
> - Don't let the call ring thru - caller hears automated message offering
> opportunity to leave a five minute message for a fee of $5 (exact amount set
> by phone owner.) Phone owner can choose to waive fee if message turns out to
> be worth the time to listen to, at his sole discretion (not recognized by
> list.)
>
> - Don't let the call ring thru - caller hears automated message offering
> opportunity to leave a message for a fee of $5,000,000,000 unless caller
> explicitly opts out by punching a 30 digit sequence with in the next ten
> seconds (caller matches known telemarketer.)
>
> - Block call entirely (caller matches boss at work.)

Lordy. With maybe one telemarketer/day this cure would be worse than
the disease :-(

--
Cheers,
Bev
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"I've learned that you can keep puking long
after you think you're finished." -- SL

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 8:24 pm
From: The Real Bev

Vic Smith wrote:

> <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:
>>The Real Bev wrote:
>>> George Grapman wrote:
>>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>> I get at least one call per day from some home-improvement
>>>>> contracting company -- not the same one, all different. I also get
>>>>> the occasional recorded call from somebody probably offering loans by
>>>>> telling me "there's a problem with my account."
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do contractors feel they're exempt? Do they prey on the stupid
>>>>> who don't know about the do-not-call list? Do they just not care?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sometimes I try to get the name and phone number to report them, but
>>>>> I'm pretty much sure that's a waste of my time. Way easier to just
>>>>> snarl at them, even if I know it makes no difference.
>>>>
>>>> I have posted details a will be happy to do it again bur basically
>>>> if the company is in your state and you can determine their location
>>>> small claims court is a great remedy.
>>>
>>> Yeah, but I was actually womdering more about why contractors and loan
>>> companies as opposed to, say, housecleaning services or used-car shops.
>>
>> Good question-The majority of my callers are carpet cleaning,credit
>> repair and refis.
>>>
>>> I think I should keep a whistle nearby. "Wait just a minute, I have to
>>> get something..."
>>>
> Since I put my name on the DNC list a couple years ago, all such calls
> stopped. Used to get every variety, now only charities and political.
> So why is it working for me and not you?

Because my feet stink and I don't love Jesus?

About the only charity calls I get are from various police benevolent
associations. I used to be polite to them -- they know where I live --
but every once in a while the police announce that they NEVER authorize
such things so now I'm rude, but not rude enough to earn being put on a
list just in case they ARE police-authorized.

> Anybody else it has worked for?

It's certainly cut down the number. I figure it's only local businesses
who offend now -- big nationwide companies have too much face to lose if
they're singled out as an example.

--
Cheers,
Bev
*******************************************
"I've learned that you can keep puking long
after you think you're finished." -- SL

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 8:26 pm
From: The Real Bev

Terryc wrote:

> The Real Bev wrote:
>> I get at least one call per day from some home-improvement contracting
>> company -- not the same one, all different.
>
> If you don't require the telephone to be available 24x7, just answer
> "I'll go get him for you and lay the handset down and walk away"

Or say "It's for you" and hand it to the nearest baby.

--
Cheers,
Bev
*******************************************
"I've learned that you can keep puking long
after you think you're finished." -- SL

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 8:38 pm
From: George Grapman

The Real Bev wrote:
> Terryc wrote:
>
>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>> I get at least one call per day from some home-improvement
>>> contracting company -- not the same one, all different.
>>
>> If you don't require the telephone to be available 24x7, just answer
>> "I'll go get him for you and lay the handset down and walk away"
>
> Or say "It's for you" and hand it to the nearest baby.
>

Ask them to hold, pretend you are on another call and start saying
things like ,"hi, Bill, no, no problem that other call is a telemarketer
but this one is really dumb. She thinks I am going to give my credit
card to a stranger. No, let, her hold, it keeps her from bothering other
people.

Another one is to tell them you like to know who you are doing
business with and ask for their address. The replies are often "our
address" or ,please hold". I say," sure, take your time, the location
where you are is a tough question,go ask a co-worker. Some hang up when
they are asked.

If they a reading a long canned pitch got to mute and speaker phone.
Once a gut had a long pitch and then I heard," so how does that
sound,George" Hello ,George, are you there? God damn it I gave this guy
my A material and he walked away from the phone.

When I went to DSL I kept my old dial up line as a back up since I
work at home. I never give it out and it is unlisted so when it rings I
know it is wrong number or a telemarketer. Answering with "You're
selling but I ain't buying " cramps their style.

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Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 6:28 pm
From: Terryc

Rod Speed wrote:

> The extreme low end is a lot cheaper than that.

which are?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 8:35 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Terryc <newsfourspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> The extreme low end is a lot cheaper than that.
>
> which are?

Others have listed them. Obviously more convenient for us to use the ones in HongKong etc.

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Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 6:37 pm
From: "John Weiss"

"Seerialmom" <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote...

> These are the type I've used in my homes for the past 30 years or so
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 6:36 pm
From: "John Weiss"

"Joe" <joe5345@gmail.com> wrote...
> My water bill just was increased about 30% so I'm thinking I need to
> install low-flow showerheads. Can anyone recommend a decent brand that
> won't have me end with flat hair?

I don't know if there is any brand name on them, but I've been using simple
"Euro style" solid brass showerheads for 10+ years. Low flow, but the fine
spray pattern feels good. Even my water-monger wife is satisfied with them.

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Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 8:47 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article
<080407a1-3e14-42de-989e-6bdf7a1091e3@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
"void.no.spam.com@gmail.com" <void.no.spam.com@gmail.com> wrote:

> Anyone know anything about Travelers car insurance? Their web site
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> I am currently with Progressive, and remember one time several years
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