Frugal Living: Dec 11, 2007

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: (www.globwholesale.com) Discount Cheap Wholesale Leather Shoes Sneakers
Trainers Handbag Hoody Jeans Coat T-shirts Jacket Purses Watches Sunglass Pens
MP3 GPS Nokia
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 9:31 am
From: globwholesale@126.com

Dear my friend
It is our pleasure to meet you here.
we are wholesaler sport shoes,clothing,electrons in Fujian of China.
our website: http://www.globwholesale.com
We are professional and honest wholesaler of all kinds of brand
sneaks and apparel.the products
our company supply are as follows:
1).Nike Jordans
Jordan 1 jordan 1.5 jordan 2 jordan 3 jordan 3.5 jordan 4 jordan 5
jordan 5.5 jordan 6 jordan 6.5 jordan 7 jordan 8 jordan 9 jordan 9.5
jordan 10 jordan 11 jordan 12 jordan 13 jordan 13.5 jordan 14 jordan
15 jordan 16 jordan 17 jordan 18 jordan 18.5 jordan 19 jordan 20
jordan 21 jordan 21.5 jordan 22 jordan King jordan Dub Zero Jordan 23
Jordan 7.5
2).Air Force One Air Force one (low) Air Force one (High) Air Force
one (Mid) Air Force one (clear) Air Force One 25 year
3).SHOX Shox R3 Shox R4 Shox R5 Shox TL1 Shox TL2 Shox TL3 Shox NZ
Shox OZ Shox Turbo Show GO Shox CL Shox Coqnescenti Shox Energia Shox
Explodine Shox Monster Shox Rhythmic Shox Warrior
4).Bape Shoes Bape Bape (transparent)
5).Air max AirMax 90 AirMax 95 AirMax 97 AirMax 2003 AirMax 2004
AirMax 2005 Air Max 2006 AirMax 180 AirMax LTD AirMax TN AirMax solas
AirMax 87 AirMax Rift
6).Puma Puma Rpt2 Puma SK6 Puma Jayfi Puma Cir Puma Speed Puma Repli
Puma Future Cat Puma Mostro Puma Lifestyle
7).Dunk SB Dunk High Dunk Low
8).Timberland Timberland High Timberland Low
9).Adidas Adidas 35 Adicolor Country city sense Adidas NBA
11).Prada & Gucci Prada Gucci
12).Footballer Shoes Footballer
13).Locaste
14).converse & Reebok converse Reebok
15).D&G shoes
16).Dsquared2 shoes
17).James shoes
18).Nike King
9).Children shoes Jordan Shox
20).Women shoes Women Jordans Women Shox R3 Women Shox R4 Women
AirMax
95&97 Women AirMax 03&06 Women Dunk Women Shox NZ Women AF1
21).sandal & baboosh Nike Puma Gucci Prada
CLOTHES 1).Bape 2).ED Hardy 3).BBC 4).CLH 5).LRG 6).Artful Dodger
Hoodies 7).GINO GREEN GLOBAL 8).10 Deep 9).A&F Coat 11).Jersey NBA
Jersey Football Jersey 12).Juicy Bikini 13).Adidas Coat 14).F1 Coat
15).D&G Coat 16).Superman Coat 17).NBA Coat
JEAN 1).E&D Jeans 2).BBC Jeans 3).BAPE Jeans 4).D&G Jeans 5).EVSIU
Jeans 6).Red monkey 7).COOGI Jeans
T-shirt 1).POLO 2007 polo(women) 2007 POLO IIII(Men) POLO (stripe)
polo (small )
2).Lacoste Lacoste (LONG) Lacoste (SHORT) 3).Name Brand shirt D&G
Shirt Giorgio Armani TN Shirt 4).BBC T-shirt 5).LRG & gina green
glalal 6).Triumvir 7).ED handy 8).Evsiu 9).R.M.B 10).CLOT
Burse & Handbag 1).LV Bag 2).Gucci Bag 3).Dior Bag 4).Chanel Bag
5).Fendi Bag 6).Coach Bag 7).Burberrys Bag 8).Prada Bag 9).Man
Leisure
Bag 11).D&G bag 12).nike bag 13).Wallet 14).Suitcase
Electronics 1).Vertu Mobile 2).New iphone Mobile 3).Nokia Mobile
4).moto Mobile 5).PSP Game & memory card 6).Sony Mobile 7).Samsung
Mobile 8).Ipod nano 9).Sony PS3 10).Laptops IBM laptops DELL laptops
Sony laptops ASUS laptops
CAP 1).ED Hardy Cap 2).New Bape & NY Cap 3).RMC Cap 4).New era NBA
5).F1 6).Chanel 7).D&G 8).gucci 9).LV 10).Prada 11).PUMA 12).wool
WATCH 1).Rolex 2).Omega 3).Cartier 4).Chanel 5).Piaget 6).Breitling
7).Bvlgari 8).Corum
Sunglasses 1).Gucci Sunglasses 2).D&G Sunglasses 3).Dior Sunglasses
4).LV Sunglasses 5).Chanel Sunglasses 6).Prada Sunglasses 7).Versace
Sunglasses 8).Giorgio Armani
Strap 1).Bape Strap 2).D&G Strap 3).Gucci Strap 4).LV Strap 5).Scarf
Other 1).Lighter

size chart
Men Size:
US: 7 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 13 14 15
UK: 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 12 13 14
EUR: 40 41 42 42.5 43 44 44.5 45 45.5 46 47.5 48 49
Women Size:
US: 5 5.5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5
UK: 2.5 3 3.5 4 4.5 5 5.5 6
EUR: 35.5 36 36.5 37.5 38 38.5 39 40

Kid's
US: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5 13 13.5
UK: 13 1 2 3 4 5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5
EUR:17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 24.5 25 25.5 26 26.5 27 27.5 28 29 30
30.5
31

Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

7.because the space of the website is limited,we can also supply many
other products which be not showed out in our site. if you have the
photos of the products you need , we are pleasure to supply for your
orders.
And our company can supply for our customers ,as follow:
1. top quality.all our products have top quality.
2. most rational price. we offer the most competitive price to you
to
open your market. So today most of our products have sold well in the
America, Europe, Middle East, Southeast Asia etc..
3. safe and fast shipment. As different country you are in, we will
deliver the products to you by different ways and pledge to arrive to
your address 100%.and we will send the products to you within 24h
after we get your payment.
4.many products in stock. We have many products in stock and kinds of
size you need , also include kid's.
5.our credit. If the products can be not delivered to your address as
our reason, we will refund the money you paid.
Hope sincerely to have glad and long term business relationship with
you.
If you are interested in our products and have any problem, welcome
to
contact us.
Please trust us , we will be your best choice !!!

Website : http://www.globwholesale.com
Yahoo ID:globwholesale@yahoo.com.cn
Michael
Fashion Footwear Industrial Co.,Ltd.(Fujian,CHINA)

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TOPIC: oprah and 20/20 says it works
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 9:31 am
From: "penguin478@gmail.com"

Saturday, November 24, 2007
FAST CASH $6 PAYPAL as seen on OPRAH
FAST CASH $6 PAYPAL as seen on OPRAH
!!Quick Money!!
THIS IS INSANE!!! IT REALLY WORKS!!!
!!!!!!QUICK MONEY!!!!!! -- FAST CASH

At first I thought this was too good to be true, how wrong I was!!
I decided to give it a go, it was only 6 dollars, so why not?
Well I was astounded!! Money has, and still is coming to my account.
As Seen On OPRAH & 20/20 - TURN $6 into $24,600! (or more, that's just
what he made)
Earn money using PAYPAL as seen on Oprah & 20/20
THE PAYPAL $6 DOLLAR MONEY-MAKING METHOD
AS SEEN ON OPRAH EARN HUGE $$$$
Ok this is all you need:
1) An email address
2) A PayPal account
3) then POST, POST, POST, POST, POST, POST..........

THIS IS A 2007, CURRENT EMAIL LIST
Ever since the internet became popular, the word "scam" has become a
daily term.
I have never once tried any money making "system"
outside of this because of that very reason. However, after reading
reports on the validity and reputation of this money making system as
seen on Oprah, CNN, and other media forums) I gave it a try.
Only hours after implementing this exact system I just about fell out
of my chair as money ACTUALLY started rolling in. I couldn't believe
it and for that reason, I became a believer in this system.

WHAT IS IT?
The idea is that of a system that takes advantage of the power of
compounding. And in a big way, let me tell you. First and foremost
understand that there are countless spin-offs of this system that try
to make a "quick buck" off of people. Long lists, the 5 & 10 dollar
trees, the birthday systems, etc... Those spin-offs do make money
because of the ease of implementation of this idea, but they do NOT
use the compounding advantage.
This system is THE legit and profitable one.
HERE IS HOW IT WORKS...
There is a list of 6 email addresses (you'll see it as you read
further).
Each of these people has already taken part in this system.
When someone new comes along (such as yourself) he/she removes #1 off
of the list, moves the other five email addresses up one position
(i.e. #6 goes to #5, #5 to #4, etc.), and adds their PayPal email
address in the 6 position.
This process is what develops the power of compounding.
The bottom line is this... Honesty and Integrity creates
Profitability.
Following this EXACT process is what creates the money,
and that is why this system has been raved about in the
Altering the system creates weak results. The legality of this system
comes from the idea that you are of course creating a mailing list,and
a "service" is being provided (more on that later.) Now on to how your
spamSpamSpamSpamSpamSpamSpam creates BIG money...
INSTRUCTIONS:
STEP 1:The first thing to do
COPY, PASTE and SAVE this entire post in word
or notepad on your computer so you can come back to it later.
After that, if you are not already a PayPal user you need to go to
the PayPal website at www.paypal.com and SIGN UP.
To receive credit card payments from other people you must sign up for
a PREMIER or BUSINESS account (not just a PERSONAL account).
This is highly recommended to allow others easy payment options.
To place the initial $6 into your account, you will have to verify
your bank account with PAYPAL
PAYPAL is 100% secure and is used by millions of people worldwide.
STEP 2:Here is where the action occurs.
Then next send a $1.00 payment to each of the 6 email addresses on the
current list from your PayPal account. To do this quickly and
successfully, follow these simple steps:
1. Login to PayPal and click the "Send Money" tab near top of the
screen.
2. In the "Recipient's Email" field type: the email address
3. In the "Amount" field type: "1" (your $1.00 payment)
4. In the "Category" field select: "Service" (Keeping it
legal)
5. In the "subject" field type: "EMAIL LIST",
6. In the "message" field type: "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR EMAIL
LIST".
(By doing this, you are creating a service and maintaining the
legality of the system by "paying" for the service. )
7. Finally, click on the "Continue" button to complete the payment.
8. Repeat these steps for each of the 6 email addresses. that's it!
(By sending the $1.00 payment to each address, you are
implementing
the compounding POWER of the system. You will reap what you sow! )

Here is the current e-mail list:

*************************************************

The email list:
1) aleigh01@aol.com
2) lilk06@sbcglobal.net
3) making-12@hotmail.com
4) devon0414@yahoo.com
5)jonathon__tyson79@yahoo.com.au
6) jess41378@optonline.net
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STEP 3:Now take the 1 email off of the list that you see above (from
your saved file), move the other addresses up (6 becomes 5,5 becomes
4, etc.) and add YOUR email address
(the one used for your PayPal account) as number 6 on the list.
This is the only part of the document that should be changed.
** Make sure to use the email address you registered with PayPal **
STEP 4 now post new file created in STEP 3 to at least 200 newsgroups
or
message boards. Keep in mind that there are tens of thousands of
groups online!
All you need is 200, but remember the more you post
the more money you make - as well as everyone else on the list!
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I've began to see money roll in before I even hit 100 posts, but try
to hit around 200 to allow maximum exposure. Use Netscape, Internet
Explorer, Firefox, Safari, or whatever your internet browser is to
search for various news groups, on-line forums, message boards,
bulletin boards, chat sites, discussions, discussion groups,
on-line communities, etc.
For example?
Log on to any search engine like yahoo.com or google.com and type in a
subject like 'MILLIONAIRE MESSAGE BOARD',MONEY MAKING DISCUSSIONS',
'MONEY MAKING FORUMS', or 'BUSINESS MESSAGE BOARD', etc. You will find
thousands and thousands of message boards. Click them one by one and
you will find the option to post a new message. Fill in the subject
which will be the header that everyone sees as they scroll through the
list of postings in a particular group, and post the article with the
NEW list of email addresses included.
THAT'S IT!!! All you have to do is jump to different newsgroups and
post away. After you get the hang of it, it will take about 30 seconds
for each newsgroup.
HOW THE MONEY WORKS:
When you post 200 messages in various forums, it is estimated that at
LEAST 15 people will respond and send you a $1.00 ($15.00).
Those 15 will Post 200 Posts each and 225 people send you $1.00
($225.00), etc. through 6 levels of email addresses. For comprehension
purposes, here is an easy viewing chart:
1) 15(1) = 15 people ($1) = $15
2) 15(15) = 225 people ($1) = $225
3) 15(225) = 3375 people ($1) = $3375
4) 15(3375) = 50625 people ($1) = $50625
5) 15(50625) = 759375 people ($1) = $759375
As you can see, your SpamSpamSpamSpamSpamSpamSpam has
multiplied exponentially. What other opportunity that is as simple as
this can cash in the way this can?! I'm not going to say this is going
to make everyone over $800,000, but within a few WEEKS you begin to
see results, thanks to the speed of the internet!
When your name is no longer on the list, take the latest posting in
the newsgroups and begin the process again. Simply amazing...
Follow the system as described, and enjoy your PROFITS!!!
REMEMBER... HONESTY AND INTEGRITY = PROFITABILITY
YOUR NAME COULD CYCLE FOR A LONG TIME!
THIS MAKES IT THE GIFT THAT KEEPS ON GIVING.
This is excellent seed money to start or expand a business, buy your
dream home, car and pay off whatever bills you may have.
Good luck!
HOW TO POST TO NEWS GROUPS?
Use Netscape or Internet Explorer and try searching for various
newsgroups (on-line forums, message boards, chat sites, discussions.)
Log on any search engine like yahoo.com, google.com, altavista.com,
excite.com, etc.,Search with the subject "millionaire message board;
or; money making message board; or; employment message board; or
making money discussions; or; money making forum; or; business message
board; etc.
You will find thousands & thousands of message boards.
Click on them one by one and you will find the option 'post a new
message'.
Then Post this article as a 'new message' by highlighting
the text of this letter and selecting copy then paste from the edit
menu.
Fill in the Subject, this will be the header that everyone sees as
they scroll through the list of postings in a particular group, click
the post message button.
You're done with your first one! It only
takes about 60 seconds to complete postings on message boards after
you catch on.

REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE
MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!GOOD
LUCK!!

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 12:50 pm
From: ProfHenryHiggins

On Dec 11, 9:31 am, "penguin...@gmail.com" <penguin...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Saturday, November 24, 2007

>
> REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE
> MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!GOOD
> LUCK!!

No, the more newsgroups you post in, the faster you lose your credit
card
and Paypal accounts.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 2:50 pm
From: George Grapman

ProfHenryHiggins wrote:
> On Dec 11, 9:31 am, "penguin...@gmail.com" <penguin...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Saturday, November 24, 2007
>
>> REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE
>> MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!GOOD
>> LUCK!!
>
>
> No, the more newsgroups you post in, the faster you lose your credit
> card
> and Paypal accounts.

And your internet account.

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TOPIC: cologne
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 9:31 am
From: DigitalMirror778@gmail.com

www.designerperfumeandcologne.com

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 11:54 am
From: "Don K"

"Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:475e253e$0$2331$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Don K wrote:
>> <bob@coolgroups.com> wrote in message
>> news:66965d0e-798c-416a-bbe5-cae2b6f5f784@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>>> I was wondering if someone can recommend a cheap cologne for me.
>
>> Maintain good personal hygiene using soap and water and there's no
>> need to use cologne.
>
> Depends on what the goal is. In some cases, members of the opposite sex
> could notice a difference. That could be a motivating factor for wearing
> the stuff.

If that's the goal, then maybe a little less soap and water might be in order
to let some human pheromones kick in.

Don

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TOPIC: make money from home
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 9:32 am
From: "penguin478@gmail.com"

Saturday, November 24, 2007
FAST CASH $6 PAYPAL as seen on OPRAH
FAST CASH $6 PAYPAL as seen on OPRAH
!!Quick Money!!
THIS IS INSANE!!! IT REALLY WORKS!!!
!!!!!!QUICK MONEY!!!!!! -- FAST CASH

Here is the current e-mail list:

*************************************************

REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE
MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!GOOD
LUCK!!

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TOPIC: Spam / SCAM
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 9:35 am
From: davegb

On Dec 11, 5:49 am, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> clams casino wrote:
> > Just received an offer that stated as follows:
>
> > My name is Mr. Song Li le I work with the Hang Seng Bank here in Ho=
> > ng Kong. There is the sum of $19,500,000.00 in my bank=E2=80=9D Hang
> > Seng Bank=
> > ", Hong Kong.
>
> > Amusing part, the spam was sent /originated via Road
> > Runner............from Herndon, VA.
>
> > Hmmmm
>
> I just got a phishing email from "Fifth Third Bank"...

So who's counting? :)

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 10:07 am
From: Bill Rider

davegb wrote:
> On Dec 11, 5:49 am, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> I just got a phishing email from "Fifth Third Bank"...
>
> So who's counting? :)

I'll count.
$104 billion in assets.
1181 full-service banking centers.
2153 ATMs.
Responsible for security breach in which hackers got credit-card numbers
of 45.7 million TJ Maxx customers.

The Third and Fifth National merged in 1908. They were going to call it
the Third Fifth, but Carrie Nation would have raided them with her hatchet.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 10:12 am
From: clams casino

davegb wrote:

>On Dec 11, 5:49 am, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>clams casino wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Just received an offer that stated as follows:
>>>
>>>
>>>My name is Mr. Song Li le I work with the Hang Seng Bank here in Ho=
>>>ng Kong. There is the sum of $19,500,000.00 in my bank=E2=80=9D Hang
>>>Seng Bank=
>>>", Hong Kong.
>>>
>>>
>>>Amusing part, the spam was sent /originated via Road
>>>Runner............from Herndon, VA.
>>>
>>>
>>>Hmmmm
>>>
>>>
>>I just got a phishing email from "Fifth Third Bank"...
>>
>>
>
>So who's counting? :)
>
>

Who else ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7hTkzEwFZ0

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TOPIC: www.discount-jordans.com cheap wholesale 4us shoes
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Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 10:03 am
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TOPIC: cell phones
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 10:15 am
From: SMS *

abx wrote:
> Can anyone tell me whether there is a dealer or seller or manufacturer
> of a cell phone that will sell me a cell phone and let me pay for only
> the calls that I make (even though it would be at a relatively high
> price)? Thank you very much.

Yes. See "http://www.emergencycellphones.com" and you buy minutes from
"http://www.americanroaming.com/buyprepaid.php". There may be other
sources for these unregistered phones as well. I used to see other
companies selling these phones.

You need a CDMA/AMPS phone that is unregistered to a specific carrier,
you can't just use a phone that used to be on Verizon or Sprint but is
out of contract, because you won't get connected to ARN because the
phone is still registered to the carrier, "ARN works from most
unregistered CDMA, TDMA and AMPS mobile phones." Well most TDMA and most
metropolitan area AMPS will be gone in 2008, so make that just CDMA.

You buy a $10 (minimum) card which lasts for two years, so it's $5/year.
You used to also be able to pay at the time of the call with your credit
card at $2/minute plus a $3 set-up fee, and I suspect that this still
works as well, but probably you don't want to do that since the first
minute would cost $5 per call!

Remember, you'll have no phone number, and can only make outgoing calls.

Monthly Fee: None.

Minimum cost: 21¢ Month ($10 every two years).

Per-minute cost: 25¢-$1.

Re-upping: $10 (minimum) every 2 years.

Handsets: You must use an unregistered CDMA or CDMA/AMPS handset. You
cannot use a handset that was previously registered to a specific
carrier unless you can get it unregistered.

Pros: Low start-up cost, extremely low minimum cost per month, excellent
coverage.

Cons: No incoming calls, high per-minute cost.

Prepaid May Be Better
---------------------
There are also some very inexpensive prepaid plans that may be a better
option than the American Roaming Network. There are basically three
choices for very low-monthly cost cellular, T-Mobile To Go, PagePlus,
and 7-11 SpeakOut. Each one has pros and cons, which I have outlined below.

Overview
--------
You can keep an account active on T-Mobile for $10/year (after spending
an initial $100) so 83¢/month isn't bad. PagePlus is much better in
terms of coverage and would cost $30/year minimum ($2.50/month), and
7-11 would cost $25/year minimum ($2.08/month) and uses AT&T's GSM
network which is better than T-Mobile's network but worse than Verizon's
network.

T-Mobile
--------
The cheapest per month cost is on T-Mobile which will be 83¢ per month
after the first year (the first year will be $100, or $8.33/month
because you need to purchase a $100 card to achieve "Gold" status).
After you go "Gold" by spending $100, all future minutes are good for a
year, even on the $10 card.

Unfortunately T-Mobile's prepaid coverage leaves a lot to be desired.

Monthly Fee: None.

Minimum cost: First year: $100, subsequent years: $10.

Per-minute cost: 10-33¢.

Re-upping: $10 (minimum) every 365 days once you achieve "Gold" status.

Handsets: You can use any unlocked or T-Mobile locked GSM phone (or
they'll sell you a phone fairly cheaply with the $100 card).

Pros: Very low monthly cost (after first year at $8.33/month it drops to
83c/month), no monthly charge.

Cons: Poor coverage.

PagePlus
--------
For $2.50/month you can get Page Plus Cellular
("http://www.pagepluscellular.com/"). You can use any old phone that was
previously on Verizon (try e-Bay or craigslist or freecycle), or they'll
sell you a used phone for $40-50). You have to add $10 every four months
to keep the phone active (so it would cost you $2.50/month minimum). The
good thing about PagePlus is that the coverage is excellent because they
use Verizon's network (see the January 2008 Consumer Reports). Per
minute cost ranges from 5.7¢ to 12.0¢ depending on the amount of refill
card. PagePlus uses the Verizon network, so Verizon must have a network
in your area, or you'll get charged extra for roaming. They have a
50¢/month fee. If you obtain an old Verizon phone that is out of
contract (easy to find cheaply or for free) you can activate it with 100
minutes for about $6 (see "http://www.uglyeric.com/activation.html").
PagePlus really wants you to go through dealers, either on-line or brick
and mortar. I just did an ESN change (changed phones) and I had to go
through a dealer and pay $5.99 (took only 15 minutes). They are a very
small operation but have been around a long time.

Monthly Fee: 50¢.

Minimum cost: $2.50 Month ($10 every four months).

Per-minute cost: 5.7-12.0¢.

Re-upping: $10 (minimum) every 120 days.

Handsets: You can use any out-of-contract Verizon handset, or they'll
sell you a used handset for $40-50.

Pros: Low per minute cost, low start-up costs, excellent coverage.

Cons: 3x the monthly cost of T-Mobile ($2.50 versus 83¢ (after the first
year of T-Mobile)), 50¢/month fee, Must add minutes three times per year
as opposed to one year on PagePlus and SpeakOut.

7-11 SpeakOut
-------------
7-11 SpeakOut service is 15¢/minute, and the minutes are good for a
year. AT&T network. They have a 1.25/month fee. $25/year minimum. No web
site, you have to buy a phone at a 7-11 store, so this means that you
need a store in your area. If you buy it a store outside your area then
it'll still work as long as you have AT&T in your area, but you'll have
a non-local phone number which some people don't like. There are a lot
of AT&T areas where 7-11 doesn't have any stores.

Monthly Fee: $1.25.

Minimum Cost: $2.08/month ($25/year).

Per-minute cost: 15¢.

Re-upping: $25 (minimum) every 365 days.

Handsets: They only sell the service with a handset. You can also move
the SIM card to any unlocked or AT&T handset.

Pros: Adequate coverage. One year expiration of minutes.

Cons: High monthly fee deducted from your account ($1.25). Poorer
coverage than PagePlus, 2.5x the minimum monthly cost of T-Mobile. Must
make a call every 120 days to keep account active. Per minute cost
doesn't go down with larger refills, it's always 15¢/minute so not a
good plan for heavy users.

Web Site to Compare Prepaid
---------------------------
The best web site to compare costs is
"http://www.cellguru.net/prepaid_compare.htm". Look at the fourth row,
"Lowest Monthly Cost."

Cost is only part of the picture
--------------------------------
I wanted phones that will work when I'm away from metro areas, and
that's why I went with PagePlus for my kids. The only issue is that my
daughter's friends with Sprint & T-Mobile often borrow her PagePlus
phone to make calls when their own phones have no coverage because in my
area Sprint and T-Mobile have big coverage problems.

For me, the $2.50/month on PagePlus versus 83¢/month on T-Mobile is
inconsequential, especially because I have no T-Mobile coverage at my
house (they've been trying to put in a tower for a long time but have
been stymied by NIMBYs).

I do find it a hassle to have to remember to add money to PagePlus every
four months. Once I let the account lapse and thought I'd lost $50, but
I called them and they restored the account for me. Very nice people.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 10:26 am
From: "rick++"

Go to a Target Store (or similar department store) and there
is a rack of 4-6 prepaid options. They cost about 25 cents a minute
for low usage and under 10 cents for volume.
I got one for traveling because payphones are very rare now.
The phone cost $20 and minimum refill of $15 per quarter.
That gets me about 20 minutes a month which about what I use
for travel. You can always buy more.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 10:26 am
From: Anthony Matonak

OhioGuy wrote:
> Now I realize this isn't a season collection of episodes, though I think
> it does have more than a season's worth in there. However, I'm wondering if
> this is a normal practice? On budget releases, do they often get rid of the
> usual intro sequence and replace it with something totally different?

It's not a usual practice but it's not unheard of for the DVD release
of a series to have the theme song replaced or eliminated. I can only
hazard a guess that the reason is because the studio doesn't want to
pay for the music. Perhaps it's a case of the music industry trying to
duke it out with the movie industry.

Anthony

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 1:34 pm
From: "Evelyn C. Leeper"

Anthony Matonak wrote:
> OhioGuy wrote:
>> Now I realize this isn't a season collection of episodes, though I
>> think it does have more than a season's worth in there. However, I'm
>> wondering if this is a normal practice? On budget releases, do they
>> often get rid of the usual intro sequence and replace it with
>> something totally different?
>
> It's not a usual practice but it's not unheard of for the DVD release
> of a series to have the theme song replaced or eliminated. I can only
> hazard a guess that the reason is because the studio doesn't want to
> pay for the music. Perhaps it's a case of the music industry trying to
> duke it out with the movie industry.

This is pretty much true--the music rights are sometimes held by
different people who don't want to release them. (Also, some older
works may have had their copyright lapse, but the copyright for the
music was renewed.)

I've seen this on "Dragnet" episodes as well.

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
I believe I found the missing link between animal
and civilized man. It is us. -Konrad Lorenz

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 10:51 am
From: nospam@nospam.com

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:34:42 -0500, in misc.consumers.frugal-living Zuke
<me@privacy.net> wrote:

>> jaygreg wrote:
>>> I want to stop a local free paper from leaving there unwanted "rag" on the
>>> apron of my driveway every Sunday. I've asked politely over the years and
>>> they have complied. But since the business has been turned over to the
>>> founder's "kid', I get no respect.
>
>Are you talking about a bundle of papers or just one paper?
>
>Either way, think of yourself as part of a community and the paper
>as a necessary resource. The world would be a lot worse place
>if we didn't have these "rags" to educate us even if we sometimes
>don't agree with their content. Those guys who deliver might change
>from week to week, they are not the most stable of jobs and the
>guy trying to run the paper is probably up to his eyeballs in
>work.
>
>When I was visiting Berkeley these types of papers were everywhere.
>I usually can keep up with the free papers in my city but I think
>keeping up with the papers out there would be a full-time job.
>

Oh come on, it's a waste of trees.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 2:51 pm
From: "The Henchman"

"jaygreg" <jaygreg90@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I've paid my paper carrier extra to deliver my subscription to the door
> for thirty years. The unsolicited, unsubscribed "rag" is thrown on the
> driveway apron and left in the street when the deliverer looses arm. I
> don't wanna' walk to the apron or street every Sunday when I AM home. If I
> do that... why pay extra to have the subscription paper delivered?
>
> The fix has to be made with the paper, who in turn feels pressure enough
> to lean on the delivery agent.

Shawn Hirn had a great idea that my neighbour used. My neighbour is a
single male cop, a detective, that takes him out of town from time to time.
He put a sign on his front yard , right by the kerb stating no flyers etc.
Since I collect his mail once or twice a month, I've noticed he doesn't get
the flyer package. He still gets the postal junk mail but I never see the
twice weekly flyer package.

His sign got knocked down by a snowplough and he hasn't replaced the sign
but it worked. He's a cop so I'm sure he did it to prevent break-ins. He
doesn't strike me as an environmentalist type.

Would a sign be a feasible option??

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 11:13 am
From: aassime abdellatif

JESUS in the QURAN

The Islamic view of Jesus lies between two extremes. The Jews , who
rejected Jesus as a Prophet of God, called him an impostor. The
Christians, on the other hand, considered him to be the son of God and
worship him as such. Islam considers Jesus to be one of the great
prophets of God and respects him as much as Ibrahim (Abraham), Moses,
and Mohammed. (Peace Be Upon Them) This is conformity with the Islamic
view of the oneness of God, the oneness of Divine guidance, and the
complementary role of the subsequent mission of God's messengers.

The essence of Islam - willing submission to the will of God - was
revealed to Adam, who was passed it on to his children. All following
revelations to Noah, Ibrahim, Moses, Jesus, and finally Mohammed
(Peace Be Upon Them) were conformity with that message, with some
elaboration to define the revelation between man and God, man and man,
man and instructions. Thus, any contradictions among revealed
religions is viewed by Islam as a man-made element introduced into
these religions. The position of Jesus in the three major religions -
Judaism, Christianity, and Islam - should not be an exception.

Although the Quran does not present a detailed life-story of Jesus, it
highlights the important aspects of his birth, his mission, his
ascension to heaven, and passes judgements on the Christian beliefs
concerning him. The Quranic account of Jesus starts with the
conception of his mother, Mary, whose mother, the wife of Imran, vowed
to dedicate her child to the service of God in the temple. When Mary
became a woman, the Holy Spirit (the Archangel Gabriel) appeared to
her as a man bringing her news of a son. We read the following
dialogue in the Quran between Mary and the Angel:

"When the angel said, "Mary, god gives you a good tidings of a Word
from Him whose name is messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, -high honoured
shall he be in this world and the next, near stationed to God. He
shall speak to men in the cradle, and of age, and righteous he shall
be, "lord" said Mary "How shall I have a son, seeing no mortal has
touched me? "Even so, he said "God creates what He will".

When he decrees a thing He but say to it, "Be", and it is. (Al-Imran
3:45-47)

In a chapter (Surah) entitled "Maryam" (Mary), the Quran tells us how
Mary gave birth to her son, and how the Jesus accused her when she
brought the child home:

"Then she brought the child to her folk, carrying him, and they said,
"Mary, you have surely committed a monstrous thing. Sister of Aaron,
your father was not a wicked man, nor your mother a woman unchaste.
Mary pointed to the child; but they said, 'Hoe shall we speak to one
who still in the cradle, a little child. And he said, 'Lo, I am God's
servant, God has given me the Book and made me a Prophet Blessed He
has made me ,wherever/may be; and hi has enjoined me to prayer, and to
give the alms so long as I live, and likewise to cherish my mother; He
has not made me arrogant and wicked. Peace be upon me, the day I was
born, and the day I die, and the day I am raised up a live. "Maryam
19:29-33)

in the same chapter, following the above quotation, God assures
Mohammed (PBUH) and through him the whole world, that what is told
above is the TRUTH about Jesus (PBUH), although Christians might not
accept it. Jesus is NOT the son of God: He was obviously enough, the
son of Mary. The verses continue: "That is Jesus, son of Mary, in word
of truth, concerning which they are doubting. It is not for God to
take a son unto Him. Glory be to Him, He nut says to it, 'Be, and it
is. (Maryam 19:34-35)

After this strong statement about the nature of Jesus, God directed
Mohammed (PBUH) to call the Christians to worship the one God: "Surely
God is my God, and your God, so surely serve him. This is the straight
path". (Maryam 19:36)

The rejection of the very idea of God having a son is restated later
in the same chapter with even stronger words: "And they say, The All-
merciful has taken unto Himself a son. You have indeed advanced
something hideous. As if the skies are about to burst, the earth to
split asunder and its mountain to fall down in the utter ruin for that
they have attributed to the All-merciful a son; and behaves not the
All-merciful to take a son. None there in the heavens and earth but
comes to the All-merciful as a servant" (Maryam 19:88-93)

The Quran recognizes the fact that Jesus had no human father, but this
does not make him the son of God, or God himself. By this criterion,
Adam would have been more entitled more entitled to be the son of God,
because he had neither a father nor a mother, so the Quran draws
attention to the miraculous creation of both in the following verses;
" truly the likeness of Jesus, in God's sight is as Adam's likeness;
He created him of dust, then He said upon him, 'Be' and hi was. (Al-
Imran 3:59)

The Quran rejects the concept of Trinity God the Father, God the son,
God the Holy Spirit - as strongly as it rejects the concept of Jesus
as the son of God. This is because GOD IS ONE. Three cannot be one.
The Quran addresses Christians in the following verses from the Surrah
entitled "An-Nisaa" (The Women)

People of the Book, do not go beyond the bounds in your religion, and
say nought as to God but the Truth. The messiah, Jesus, son of Mary,
was only the messenger of God, and his word (Fulfilment of his word
(Fulfilment of His command, through the word "Be", for the creation of
Jesus) that he committed to Mary, and a spirit originating from Him
(was given life by God). So believe in God and His Messengers, and say
not 'Three'. Refrain, better is for you. God is only one God. Glory be
to him-that He should have a son! To Him belongs all that is in the
Heavens and in the Earth; God suffices for a guardian.

The Messiah will not disdain to be a servant of God, neither the
Angels who are close to Him. Whosoever disdains to serve Him and walks
proud, He will assuredly muster them to Him, all of them.

As for the believers, who do deeds of righteousness, we will pay them
their rewards in full, and He will give them more, of His bounty; as
for them who disdain and walks proud, then He will punish with a
severe punishment, and they shall not find for them, apart from God, a
friend or helper." (An-Nissa 4:171-173)

The denial of Jesus's divinity (and. For the matter, of Mary's
divinity) is presented in the Quran in the form of a dialogue, at the
Day of Judgement, between the Almighty Jesus. All the Messengers and
their nations will gather before God and He will ask the Messengers
how they were received by their people and what they said to them.
Among those who will be questioned is Jesus:

"And when God said, 'O Jesus, son of Mary, did you say unto men, "Take
me and my mother as gods, apart from God"? He said, 'To you be glory!
It is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed said it,
you would have known it, knowing what is within my heart, though I do
not know your knowledge; you know the things unseen. I only said to
them what you did commands me: "Serve God, my God and your God." (Al-
Maida 5-116)

Given that the Quran denies the Trinity and the son ship of Jesus,
what, according to the Quran, was the real mission of Jesus? The
answer is that Jesus was a link in a long chain of Prophets and
Messengers sent by God to various nations and societies whenever they
needed guidance or deviated from his teachings of Moses and other
Messengers. As he was miraculously supported by numerous miracles to
prove that he was a Messengers from God. However, the majority of the
Jews rejected his ministry.

In another verse of the Quran, Jesus confirmed the validity of the
Torah which was revealed to Moses, and also conveyed he glad tidings
of a final Messenger who follow him: "And when Jesus son of Mary said,
'Children of Israel, I am indeed the Messenger to you, confirming the
Torah that is before me, and giving good tiding of a Messenger who
shall be the praised one."(As-Saff 61:6)

Note that "praised one" is a translation of "Ahmad" - The Prophet
Mohammed's name. Careful study of the New Testament shows that Jesus
refers to the same Prophet in John 14:16-17: "And I will give you
another Counsellor (ThProphet Mohammed). To be with you for ever, even
the Spirit of Truth."

The usual explanation of this Prophecy is that the counsellor referred
to is the Holy Spirit, but this explanation is excluded by a previous
verse in John: "Nevertheless I tell you the truth: it is to your
advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Counsellor will
not come to you."

The characteristics of this counsellor, as can be derived from the
prophecy, are that he will stay forever with the believers, he will
glorify Jesus; and he will speak that he hears form God. All four
characteristics apply to the Prophet Mohammed. He came six centuries
after Jesus. He came six centuries after Jesus. He came with a
universal and everlasting message, fulfilling the prophecy that the
counsellor will stay forever with the faithful. He glorified Jesus as
a great Prophet. The Quran attributes to Jesus miracles not mentioned
in the Bible's Old and New Testaments, as well as specific verses in
the Quran show how the Prophet Mohammad is rejected by Jews and
Christians out of prejudice and misunderstanding, rather that
carefully study the Bible.

It is a sad fact of history that not many are following the "straight
path" to which people were called by Jesus. He was only followed by a
few disciples inspired by God to support him. The non-believers
plotted - as they would against Mohammed, six centuries later - to
kill Jesus. But God had better plan for him and his followers, as the
Quran tells us:

"And when Jesus perceived their unbelief, he said 'Who will be my
helpers in the cause of God? The apostles said, 'we are Gods helpers.
We believe in God; so bear witness of our submission God, we believe
in that you have sent down, and we follow the Messenger. Inscribe us
therefore with those who bear witness. 'And they devised, and God
devised, and God devised, and God is the best of divisors. When God
said, 'Jesus, I will take you to Me and will raise you to Me, and I
will purify you (of the falsehoods) of those who do not believe. I
will make your followers above the unbelievers till the Resurrection
Day."(Al-Imran 3:52-55)

As the above verses indicate, Jesus was taken and raised to heaven. He
was not crucified. It was certainly the plan of the enemies of Jesus
to put him to death on the cross, but God saved him and someone else
was crucified:

"And for their unbelief, and their uttering against Mary a grave false
charge, and for their saying, 'We killed the messiah, Jesus son of
Mary, the Messiah of God"...yet they did not slay him, neither crucified
him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who are at
variance concerning him are surely in doubt the following of
conjecture; and they did not kill him of certainty...no indeed; God
raised him up to Him; God is Almighty, Allwise. There is not one of
the people of the book but will assuredly believe him before his
death, and on the Resurrection Day he will be a witness against
them." (An-Nissa 4:156-159)

The Quran does not explain who was the person crucified instead of
Jesus, nor elaborate on the Second Coming of Jesus. However,
explanators of the Quran have always interpreted the last verse of the
above quotation to mean that Jesus will believe in him before he dies.
This understanding is supported by authentic sayings (Hadith) of the
Prophet Mohammed may the peace and blessings of Allah him and upon all
His Messengers.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 11:26 am
From: Charles Quinn

"AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 12:13 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Charles Quinn" <cmquinn@NEVERmindspring.com> wrote in message
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> "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:6Ck7j.1093$W27.819@trndny09:
>
>> maggie moos is MUCH better.
>
> For free I bet the coldstone isn't too bad. This is the frugal ng
> afterall.
>
it left a funny taste in my mouth back when i could taste.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 11:39 am
From: "Rod Speed"

PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>> Whatever I say wont prove anything because there is no way for you to verify it.

>>>>> These are easy enough to confirm with the click of a mouse.

>>>> Wrong, as always.

>>> You mean there is no verifiable evidence?

>> Yep, the university, the ANU in Canberra, does not have
>> any way for you to check it with the click of a mouse.

>> My thesis does turn up online tho and you can find it for yourself
>> since I use my real name and dont cower behind a nick like you do.

> URL?

There is no url, and if you had ever done one, you'd know why there isnt.

> You contradict youreself in the very next breath.

Nope, you're so stupid that you cant manage to work out
the difference between that and what you pig ignorantly
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 1:47 pm
From: "ROBERTMARKMAN@SBCGLOBAL.NET"

We bought a 2002 Elantra GT, largely because of its generous warranty.
The car developed charging system problems during the warranty period.
Auto Zone stores said that the alternator was bad (bad diode pattern).
Red McCombs, our dealer, said that the car just needed a new battery.
I replaced the battery and it required a new one after about 13
months. Auto Zone stores checked the charging system at that time and
said the alternator was bad, it was putting out 9 amps instead of
about 13. Red McCombs said there was no problem, that the car was
performing within Hyundai specifications. I spent a great deal of time
writing and phoning Hyundai in Calfornia, all to avail.
The bottom line is not to be taken in by the Hyundai generous
warranty. It is only as good as the company that stands behind it.
We're senior citizens who don't feel comfortable driving a vehicle
that might break down at any time, especially while we're on extended
road trips. Needless to say, we didn't buy a Hyundai and we didn't buy
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 1:58 pm
From: clams casino

ROBERTMARKMAN@SBCGLOBAL.NET wrote:

>We bought a 2002 Elantra GT, largely because of its generous warranty.
>The car developed charging system problems during the warranty period.
>Auto Zone stores said that the alternator was bad (bad diode pattern).
>Red McCombs, our dealer, said that the car just needed a new battery.
>I replaced the battery and it required a new one after about 13
>months. Auto Zone stores checked the charging system at that time and
>said the alternator was bad, it was putting out 9 amps instead of
>about 13. Red McCombs said there was no problem, that the car was
>performing within Hyundai specifications. I spent a great deal of time
>writing and phoning Hyundai in Calfornia, all to avail.
>The bottom line is not to be taken in by the Hyundai generous
>warranty. It is only as good as the company that stands behind it.
>We're senior citizens who don't feel comfortable driving a vehicle
>that might break down at any time, especially while we're on extended
>road trips. Needless to say, we didn't buy a Hyundai and we didn't buy
>a car from Red McCombs.
>
>

We had a vehicle about 20 years ago that had erratic charging
problems. After Pep Boys replaced 4 alternators (three at no charge),
they referred me to someone who finally located a short where the wire
would bounce around, causing the erratic problems.

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