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Sunday, January 27, 2008

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TOPIC: What to do if a power line comes down near you?
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 27 2008 12:53 am
From: ultimauw@hotmail.com

I was wondering what one should do if they find themselves standing on
ground that has become electrified due to a downed power line. Since
the difference between one spot of ground could easily be hundereds or
thousands of volts more than a spot just a foot away, this difference
could be very leathal due to the fact that the current travels up one
leg, through the heart and down the other leg. With this in mind,
would hopping out of the area with both feet together (like you are in
a potato sack race) be safest thing to do when leaving since you will
be mimimising the voltage difference between your feet?

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 27 2008 2:12 am
From: nospam@noway.net (Ralph)

<ultimauw@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I was wondering what one should do if they find themselves standing on
> ground that has become electrified due to a downed power line. Since
> the difference between one spot of ground could easily be hundereds or
> thousands of volts more than a spot just a foot away, this difference
> could be very leathal due to the fact that the current travels up one
> leg, through the heart and down the other leg. With this in mind,
> would hopping out of the area with both feet together (like you are in
> a potato sack race) be safest thing to do when leaving since you will
> be mimimising the voltage difference between your feet?

The ground will likely be wet since power lines usually come down in a
storm. Hopping around on wet pavement could cause you to fall, making
the situation much worse.

I'd think a slow run while picking your feet up would be much safer.
Plus, if you were shocked, by moving quickly it would possibly shorten
the duration of the shock and possibly reducing the injury. I wouldn't
want to stand there thinking about it either, because live wires tend to
jump around unpredictably.

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 27 2008 2:25 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Ralph <nospam@noway.net> wrote:
> <ultimauw@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I was wondering what one should do if they find themselves standing
>> on ground that has become electrified due to a downed power line.
>> Since the difference between one spot of ground could easily be
>> hundereds or thousands of volts more than a spot just a foot away,
>> this difference could be very leathal due to the fact that the
>> current travels up one leg, through the heart and down the other
>> leg. With this in mind, would hopping out of the area with both feet
>> together (like you are in a potato sack race) be safest thing to do
>> when leaving since you will be mimimising the voltage difference
>> between your feet?

> The ground will likely be wet since power lines usually come down in a storm.

Nope, the other common way for the power line to come down is in high
winds or some fool driving into a power pole and bringing that down.

> Hopping around on wet pavement could cause
> you to fall, making the situation much worse.

Yes, you could fall on the power line.

> I'd think a slow run while picking your feet up would be much safer.

You dont need to play silly buggers at all, there wont be any gradient
in the ground that will cause you any problem even with bare feet.

> Plus, if you were shocked, by moving quickly it would possibly
> shorten the duration of the shock and possibly reducing the injury.

Mindlessly silly.

> I wouldn't want to stand there thinking about it either,
> because live wires tend to jump around unpredictably.

No they dont. They might be blown around if its high winds that brought
the power line down, but they dont jump around spontaneously.

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 27 2008 3:35 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <1ibcqie.3spj5y1tivon4N%nospam@noway.net>,
nospam@noway.net (Ralph) wrote:

> <ultimauw@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I was wondering what one should do if they find themselves standing on
> > ground that has become electrified due to a downed power line. Since
> > the difference between one spot of ground could easily be hundereds or
> > thousands of volts more than a spot just a foot away, this difference
> > could be very leathal due to the fact that the current travels up one
> > leg, through the heart and down the other leg. With this in mind,
> > would hopping out of the area with both feet together (like you are in
> > a potato sack race) be safest thing to do when leaving since you will
> > be mimimising the voltage difference between your feet?
>
> The ground will likely be wet since power lines usually come down in a
> storm. Hopping around on wet pavement could cause you to fall, making
> the situation much worse.
>
> I'd think a slow run while picking your feet up would be much safer.
> Plus, if you were shocked, by moving quickly it would possibly shorten
> the duration of the shock and possibly reducing the injury. I wouldn't
> want to stand there thinking about it either, because live wires tend to
> jump around unpredictably.

I googled for "power line down" and the first hit was very informative.
Go to

http://www.austinenergy.com/Customer%20Care/Power%20Outages/fallenPowerli
ne.htm

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 27 2008 5:30 am
From: "When Reagan died, a demon crawled out of the hole in his head"

On Jan 27, 12:53 am, ultim...@hotmail.com wrote:
> I was wondering what one should do if they find themselves standing on
> ground that has become electrified due to a downed power line. Since
> the difference between one spot of ground could easily be hundereds or
> thousands of volts more than a spot just a foot away, this difference
> could be very leathal due to the fact that the current travels up one
> leg, through the heart and down the other leg. With this in mind,
> would hopping out of the area with both feet together (like you are in
> a potato sack race) be safest thing to do when leaving since you will
> be mimimising the voltage difference between your feet?

Since this is a alt.politics, I think it depends on your party
affiliation. If you're Republican, wait for the Terror Alert to go to
red, then duct tape yourself inside some plastic tarp and wait for the
the alert to go to orange or green.

If you're a democrat, blame Bush, Rove and Halliburton until you're
red in the face or until an unpopular politician pretends to call for
Impeachment. Then you can just go back to your business as if nothing
happened.

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 27 2008 9:00 am
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 00:53:07 -0800 (PST), ultimauw@hotmail.com wrote:

>I was wondering what one should do if they find themselves standing on
>ground that has become electrified due to a downed power line. Since
>the difference between one spot of ground could easily be hundereds or
>thousands of volts more than a spot just a foot away, this difference
>could be very leathal due to the fact that the current travels up one
>leg, through the heart and down the other leg. With this in mind,
>would hopping out of the area with both feet together (like you are in
>a potato sack race) be safest thing to do when leaving since you will
>be mimimising the voltage difference between your feet?

Depends <checks newsgroups involved>:

Are you democrat, republican, libertarian, socialist, frugal, a kid,
or a troll?

If you are a democrat, you stand in the same spot and yell loudly for
immediate universal health care.

If you are a republican, you call the owner of the power company, have
the entire city de-energized for five minutes, and walk off scot free
while the rest of the city suffers in the dark.

If you are a libertarian, you don't get into the problem in the first
place, because power lines aren't covered by the constitution, and you
avoid things not covered by the constitution.

If you are a socialist, you contact the union boss and file a
grievance.

If you are frugal, you figure out a way to use the downed powerline to
somehow save toilet paper.

If you are a kid, you mimic the standard cartoon role model, by
immediately jumping one foot off the ground, churning your legs so
fast that they are a blur, and your feet never touch the ground for a
few hundred feet. When you do land, you wipe your brow in relief, and
get hit by a falling ACME anvil.

If you are a troll, you pee on the downed line while the rest of us
watch.

I think that covers the basics. Next similarly relevant question for
frugal-living and politics - What do you do when you are posting to
usenet from your hot air balloon and a Boing 777 suddenly loses engine
power and heads straight for your balloon?

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 27 2008 9:43 am
From: wbyeats@ireland.com

On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:00:15 -0500, hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:

>I think that covers the basics. Next similarly relevant question for
>frugal-living and politics - What do you do when you are posting to
>usenet from your hot air balloon and a Boeing 777 suddenly loses engine
>power and heads straight for your balloon?

Find a politician and quickly refill the balloon with hot air?
Fart in the jet's general direction?

WB Yeats

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 27 2008 10:57 am
From: nospam@noway.net (Ralph)

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ralph <nospam@noway.net> wrote:
> > <ultimauw@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I was wondering what one should do if they find themselves standing
> >> on ground that has become electrified due to a downed power line.
> >> Since the difference between one spot of ground could easily be
> >> hundereds or thousands of volts more than a spot just a foot away,
> >> this difference could be very leathal due to the fact that the
> >> current travels up one leg, through the heart and down the other
> >> leg. With this in mind, would hopping out of the area with both feet
> >> together (like you are in a potato sack race) be safest thing to do
> >> when leaving since you will be mimimising the voltage difference
> >> between your feet?
>
> > The ground will likely be wet since power lines usually come down in a
> > storm.
>
> Nope, the other common way for the power line to come down is in high
> winds or some fool driving into a power pole and bringing that down.

Then how come almost all power outages seem to happen during a storm?

> > Hopping around on wet pavement could cause
> > you to fall, making the situation much worse.
>
> Yes, you could fall on the power line.
>
> > I'd think a slow run while picking your feet up would be much safer.
>
> You dont need to play silly buggers at all, there wont be any gradient
> in the ground that will cause you any problem even with bare feet.
>
> > Plus, if you were shocked, by moving quickly it would possibly
> > shorten the duration of the shock and possibly reducing the injury.
>
> Mindlessly silly.

It is possible to get shocked by high voltage power lines and survive.

Here's a video of a hang glider who landed on one of those huge power
line towers and survived. The last thing this video said is he suffered
"serious electric shock":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dItfuEPo_s

Here's someone on an electric pole who seems to get shocked a couple
times and survives, until the finale:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k-_FsDu55U

This guy lit up like a light bulb and survived:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8tprAIQFCE

> > I wouldn't want to stand there thinking about it either,
> > because live wires tend to jump around unpredictably.
>
> No they dont. They might be blown around if its high winds that brought
> the power line down, but they dont jump around spontaneously.

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 27 2008 10:57 am
From: nospam@noway.net (Ralph)

Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:

> In article <1ibcqie.3spj5y1tivon4N%nospam@noway.net>,
> nospam@noway.net (Ralph) wrote:
>
> > <ultimauw@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I was wondering what one should do if they find themselves standing on
> > > ground that has become electrified due to a downed power line. Since
> > > the difference between one spot of ground could easily be hundereds or
> > > thousands of volts more than a spot just a foot away, this difference
> > > could be very leathal due to the fact that the current travels up one
> > > leg, through the heart and down the other leg. With this in mind,
> > > would hopping out of the area with both feet together (like you are in
> > > a potato sack race) be safest thing to do when leaving since you will
> > > be mimimising the voltage difference between your feet?
> >
> > The ground will likely be wet since power lines usually come down in a
> > storm. Hopping around on wet pavement could cause you to fall, making
> > the situation much worse.
> >
> > I'd think a slow run while picking your feet up would be much safer.
> > Plus, if you were shocked, by moving quickly it would possibly shorten
> > the duration of the shock and possibly reducing the injury. I wouldn't
> > want to stand there thinking about it either, because live wires tend to
> > jump around unpredictably.
>
> I googled for "power line down" and the first hit was very informative.
> Go to
>
> http://www.austinenergy.com/Customer%20Care/Power%20Outages/fallenPowerli
> ne.htm

I guess I was wrong about hopping lol

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 27 2008 11:37 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Ralph <nospam@noway.net> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Ralph <nospam@noway.net> wrote
>>> <ultimauw@hotmail.com> wrote

>>>> I was wondering what one should do if they find themselves standing
>>>> on ground that has become electrified due to a downed power line.
>>>> Since the difference between one spot of ground could easily be
>>>> hundereds or thousands of volts more than a spot just a foot away,
>>>> this difference could be very leathal due to the fact that the
>>>> current travels up one leg, through the heart and down the other
>>>> leg. With this in mind, would hopping out of the area with both
>>>> feet together (like you are in a potato sack race) be safest thing
>>>> to do when leaving since you will be mimimising the voltage
>>>> difference between your feet?

>>> The ground will likely be wet since power lines usually come down in a storm.

>> Nope, the other common way for the power line to come down is in high
>> winds or some fool driving into a power pole and bringing that down.

> Then how come almost all power outages seem to happen during a storm?

You've just plucked that claim out of your arse.

>>> Hopping around on wet pavement could cause
>>> you to fall, making the situation much worse.

>> Yes, you could fall on the power line.

>>> I'd think a slow run while picking your feet up would be much safer.

>> You dont need to play silly buggers at all, there wont be any gradient
>> in the ground that will cause you any problem even with bare feet.

>>> Plus, if you were shocked, by moving quickly it would possibly
>>> shorten the duration of the shock and possibly reducing the injury.

>> Mindlessly silly.

> It is possible to get shocked by high voltage power lines and survive.

Yes, and its possible get struck by lightning and survive too. So what ?

> Here's a video of a hang glider who landed on one
> of those huge power line towers and survived.

And most maintenance on high voltage lines is done with the lines live too.

Not relevant to what is being discussed.

> The last thing this video said is he suffered "serious electric shock":
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dItfuEPo_s

Pity about those that do live maintenance on high voltage lines that dont.

> Here's someone on an electric pole who seems to get
> shocked a couple times and survives, until the finale:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k-_FsDu55U

Not relevant to what is being discussed.

> This guy lit up like a light bulb and survived:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8tprAIQFCE

Not relevant to what is being discussed.

>>> I wouldn't want to stand there thinking about it either,
>>> because live wires tend to jump around unpredictably.

>> No they dont. They might be blown around if its high winds that
>> brought the power line down, but they dont jump around spontaneously.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 26 2008 12:20 pm
From: "nikesellorder@gmail.com"

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TOPIC: Buy One Get One FREE!!
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== 1 of 1 ==
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 26 2008 3:07 pm
From: "RD (The Sandman)"

Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote in
news:6016g1F1odselU1@mid.individual.net:

> "Topp@Work" <topprolmc@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Paul Ciszek" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>news:fmnren$5s3$1@reader2.panix.com...
>>>
>>> In article <Ju6dnSih3LLJ_xLanZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>> Topp@Work <topprolmc@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >LOL.
>>> >CONGRESS CONTROLS THE MONEY you fool....
>>>
>>> Don't worry, the Republicans are losing that too. Excuse me, I have
>>> to go break up some hanky-panky in the men's room...
>>
>>Considering the Democrats took congress last year and promised to save
>>the world
>>in the first hundred days, and did SQUAT, and their ratings are lower
>>than the presidents,
>>you can bark up that tree all you want...
>
> If the president vetoes everything that they try, then they don't
> "control" it until they either have a few more senators, or until they
> control the white house.

If they can't override a presidential veto, then, apparently, they aren't
being bi-partisan enough to gain votes from the other side of the aisle.

--
RD (The Sandman)

War is absolute hell.....but to give in
to terrorism is much, much worse

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 26 2008 9:53 pm
From: Greg Goss

"RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:

>Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote in
>news:6016g1F1odselU1@mid.individual.net:

>> If the president vetoes everything that they try, then they don't
>> "control" it until they either have a few more senators, or until they
>> control the white house.
>
>If they can't override a presidential veto, then, apparently, they aren't
>being bi-partisan enough to gain votes from the other side of the aisle.

If the other party isn't interested in bipartisanship, then the only
way to get bipartisanship is to surrender. Have you considered
bipartisanship with Osama?

It takes two to tango. Until the public told them to f... off, the
Republicans had no interest in dancing.
--
Tomorrow is today already.
Greg Goss, 1989-01-27

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TOPIC: Frugal Tip For InkJet Printers
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 26 2008 3:32 pm
From: clams_casino

pc wrote:

> Vic Smith wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:44:19 -0500, clams_casino
>> <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Can't comment on potential problems, but I'm envious. My HP
>>> printer will not operate without a color cartridge (with ink).
>>> Even though I rarely use the color ink (and could easily live
>>> without it), it needs to be replaced about once / yr or the printer
>>> will not work.
>>>
>> Good to know. My HP672c has been running for years with an empty
>> color cartridge. Would have assumed if I bought a replacement HP
>> printer that it would do the same.
>> Now I know that's a bad assumption.
>>
>> --Vic
>
>
> It must depend on the HP model.
> I use an HP 460 for work in the field. I only need black and white.
> My color car has been empty for a year and everything is still okay.
>
> I do have other major issues with the printer. But, luckily, the
> cartridges have been fine.
>
> ..PC

My current HP 1610 is turning out to be a piece of junk. It's only two
years old. About two months ago started have jammed carriage problems -
can't seem to find the paper. I've tried several brands of paper, so
it must be the printer. After about 2-5 hits on the reset. it finally
finds the paper. It's especially a problem at the start of each day.
My previous HP 872 lasted about 8 years of fairly heavy usage - I
finally had to toss it when the ink cartridges starting leaking out the
bottom of the printer. I was considering a Kodak model, but with
Donald Trump as their spokes person, there is no way.

May try a Cannon next.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 26 2008 8:19 pm
From: "John Weiss"

"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote...
>
> My current HP 1610 is turning out to be a piece of junk. It's only two years
> old. About two months ago started have jammed carriage problems - can't seem
> to find the paper. I've tried several brands of paper, so it must be the
> printer. After about 2-5 hits on the reset. it finally finds the paper. It's
> especially a problem at the start of each day. My previous HP 872 lasted
> about 8 years of fairly heavy usage - I finally had to toss it when the ink
> cartridges starting leaking out the bottom of the printer. I was considering
> a Kodak model, but with Donald Trump as their spokes person, there is no
> way.
>
> May try a Cannon next.

You also might try a printer designed for a small office instead of a "home"
model. My HP K550 cost a bit more than other options, but has been a solid
performer and relatively frugal on ink.

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TOPIC: Nasal Strips, Do-It-Yourself
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 26 2008 3:54 pm
From: David Wimberley

I have used Breathe Right nasal strips with success, but they are
quite expensive. For awhile I was able to purchase less expensive
strips on eBay, but that source dried out. Eventually I decided to
try to make my own. I have been happy with the results.

Commercial nasal strips have an advantage over home made ones because
there is adhesive on the spring portion of the strip as well as on the
wings. The nasal strips that I make use a plastic spring and two
pieces of tape. There is no adhesive under the plastic spring. The
tape I use is the brand name Nexcare Durable Cloth in the 3/4" width.
This is made by 3M and goes by the hospital name of Durapore Surgical
Tape. It is described with the phrase "heavy-duty strong adhesive".
This is pretty effective stuff.

A number of sources could be used for the plastic spring. I have
found that the plastic designated PETE (recycling number 1) is
effective. I start out with a flat sheet that is the cover of a
container of salad greens. This is about 0.012 inches thick. I start
out with a rectangular piece of this material that is about 2 inches
long and 5/8 of an inch wide. I leave the center 3/8 of an inch or so
at the full width and taper the ends from both sides so that they come
to a blunt point that is about the thickness of a match (about 3/32")
across. This homemade spring is much more powerful than that used in
commercial nasal strips. Therefore it has to be bent so that it is
just a little more open than the contour of your nose. You just want
to be able to open the nasal passages enough to breathe easily. You
could probably get by with a narrow strip of this material that
wouldn't need to be bent. A narrow strip, however, will be inclined
to leave a depression on your nose as the commercial strips do.

Bend the strip around something like a small cylindrical pencil. It
is hard to do this perfectly but the bend doesn't really have to be
perfect.

I cut two pieces of tape about 0.8 inches long. I attach these across
the ends of the spring, overlapping the ends by about 3/32". I cut a
piece of paper towel to pad the center of the strip. The paper towel
should be just long enough to be held in place by the inner portions
of the two pieces of tape.

Applying the nasal strip your nose is about the same as it would be
with the commercial products. By the way, I have found that if I wash
my nose thoroughly with Dove soap the adhesive tape sticks adequately
but pimples are avoided.

Another approach that could be used by the frugal person would be to
reuse commercial strips by removing the flaps and applying the Nexcare
tape to the ends. Unfortunately, you will still run into the problem
that the adhesive under the spring will have lost its power.
Unfortunately, the tape will may a little residue on your nose that
will need to be removed after using the strip.

I just noticed that someone is selling, on eBay, instructions on
making your own nasal strips I do not know how his or her method
compares with mine.

Even if you don't want to make your own nasal strips, it is pretty
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TOPIC: Amana Air Command 80 Gas Fired Furnace (4 blinks) troubleshooting
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 26 2008 4:21 pm
From: "Donna Ohl, Grady Volunteer Coordinator"

On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:14:04 -0500, Bubba wrote:
> One way to find a good company is:
> Look in the phone book for who distributes your brand furnace.

I did, I did! I called Amana many times - they are the ones who referred me
to the repairman who showed up at my house. What else would you recommend
other than an Amana-recommended repairman. I don't get it.

Here's what I did ..

First I called the Amana number in the maintenance manual (pretty crappy
manual, I might add) at 800-843-0304. They were closed so a day later I
called again but they referred me to 888-842-2440, which turned out not to
handle furnaces (the Amana personnel didn't know the difference between a
furnace and an air conditioner).

Finally, they referred me to 877-337-3636 which did handle Amana forced-air
furnaces.

That third number provided me, based on my zip code, three possible
repairpeople. I called the first one they gave me and he's the one who came
by.

Are you saying we should not go to the ones Amana recommends?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 26 2008 7:54 pm
From: dker1bear@gmail.com

On Jan 24, 6:36 am, bfra...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 24, 12:21 am, "Donna Ohl, Grady Volunteer Coordinator"
>
>
>
>
>
> <donna....@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > 8. Four blinks indicate an "open Limit Control (primary or auxilliary)".
>
> > Despite the fact that three blinks and a non-spinning top (smaller) motor
> > were the initial problem, I now have consistently four blinks and a
> > non-spinning bottom (larger) motor in my Amana Air Command 80 gas-fired
> > furnace.
>
> > Reading the instructions it says:
> > <quote>
> > Open Limit Control (Primary or Auxiliary)
> > If either limit control opens, the air circulation and vent blower will be
> > turned on until the limit closes. The diagnostic light code for this is
> > four short flashes followed by a pause. The probable cause is either:
> > a) Low conditioned air flow due to dirty filter or resistance in duct work,
> > b) Faulty limit, faulty blower, or blower speed set too low.
> > <end quote>
>
> > What does that mean?
> > What is a "limit control"?
> > Which motor is the "air circulation" (bottom big motor?) blower?
> > Which motor is the "vent blower" (top small motor?)?
>
> > I know the filter is clean because, while it was really dirty, I replaced
> > it and I still have the problem. I have no idea how to test resistance in
> > the duct work, but, I didn't change anything to change that, either before
> > or after the problem ocurred.
>
> > I would have no idea how to set the blower speed.
>
> > What's a faulty "limit" and how would I test to ascertain the cause?
>
> > Donna
>
> You will need to call someone out to fix your furnace, but here are
> some answers to your questions.
>
> The "limit" is a thermostatic switch inside of the furnace that is
> there to shut down the burners if it gets too hot. It sounds like
> it's doing it's job. The problem you now have sounds like a bad
> blower motor (The large motor that circulates air through you house).
> Try seting the fan switch on your thermostat to "on" if you can. That
> usually will operate the fan on high speed and it may get you by for a
> while if it works. If you have air conditioning and you have been
> neglecting you air filters, you also may have a plugged up evaporator
> coil. The furnace guy will likely need to take apart or cut a hole in
> the ductwork surrounding the evaporator coil to inspect and clean it
> if needed.
>
> The problems you were having earlier with the pressure switch could be
> caused by something getting stuck in the flue. Sometimes, small birds
> or other animals like to hang out on the flue pipe on the roof since
> it is warm. They then pass out from the carbon monoxide and fall into
> the pipe causing a "restriction". Someone will need to disconnect the
> flue pipe from the top of the furnace and look inside of it and remove
> the dead creature if there is one.
>
> Like I said earlier, time to get the checkbook or creadit card ready
> and call a reputible heating company to come out to fix your furnace.
> Good luck.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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TOPIC: new-nike-stores.com is a FRAUD
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 26 2008 4:45 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Jan 26, 2:45 pm, brian....@gmail.com wrote:
> new-nike-stores.com is a FRAUD. they robbed me out of $300 and sent me
> the wrong items. They said I needed to send more money for shipping
> and they would send me the correct item. Like a fool i did and now
> they will not respond to my emails. Do not purchase anything from this
> site. I repeat new-nike-stores.com is a FRAUD.

This is shocking news really, shocking that a human would lack the
sense to stay away from such sites. You probably would also be shocked
to find out the shoes are not NIke anyway. They are probably nike
with a small n, shoes they manufacturer to look like the real thing.
Nike just can't be shipping from thousands of plants there and more
thousands of distributors. The fake shoes are confiscated at the
border if caught, but many filter through. I don't know the mechanics
of your trading, but perhaps that's what happened to the second
shipment. Now they don't want to correspond with anybody in America as
that might help uncover more of the operation. Youbenpwned.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 26 2008 12:21 pm
From: timeOday

Al Bundy wrote:
> On Jan 26, 2:45 pm, brian....@gmail.com wrote:
>> new-nike-stores.com is a FRAUD. they robbed me out of $300 and sent me
>> the wrong items. They said I needed to send more money for shipping
>> and they would send me the correct item. Like a fool i did and now
>> they will not respond to my emails. Do not purchase anything from this
>> site. I repeat new-nike-stores.com is a FRAUD.
>
> This is shocking news really, shocking that a human would lack the
> sense to stay away from such sites. You probably would also be shocked
> to find out the shoes are not NIke anyway. They are probably nike
> with a small n, shoes they manufacturer to look like the real thing.
> Nike just can't be shipping from thousands of plants there and more
> thousands of distributors. The fake shoes are confiscated at the
> border if caught, but many filter through. I don't know the mechanics
> of your trading, but perhaps that's what happened to the second
> shipment. Now they don't want to correspond with anybody in America as
> that might help uncover more of the operation. Youbenpwned.

It's a pity. Big-name American brands do little but import cheap stuff
from China and mark it up vastly. Our wages are depressed by foreign
competition, yet we can't enjoy the savings of direct importation. I
would like to be able to buy shoes from the same assembly line that
makes shoes for Nike but without the swoosh, at a big savings.

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TOPIC: Cleaning a Wool Shirt
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 26 2008 6:45 pm
From: Terri

Mark Anderson <mea@nospambrandylion.com> wrote in
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> I have this very warm 100% thick wool shirt that I need to clean. I
> know you can't wash wool in the washer but is there a simple cheap way
> to clean this without having to pay a dry cleaner?
>

I quilt, dye fabrics and work with a lot of different textiles.
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TOPIC: Moving Relocation Companies Los Angeles Movers
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 26 2008 7:03 pm
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 26 2008 12:24 pm
From: timeOday

I agree with you entirely EXCEPT one thing... the Sammie's are only $2.
That's your hint that you're supposed to buy a few of them.

As for healthy/low fat I do agree... you can't sell the same old stuff
in tiny portions and call it low fat. What I like to do is go by the %
of RDA, I try to eat foods with a higher % of RDA for protein than fat
and carbs. That way I'll hopefully be eating something that will stick
to my ribs for a while, thus reducing the calorie count overall.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 26 2008 10:46 pm
From: Gene S. Berkowitz

In article <7ac92abf-cdc4-42fa-8739-187ba7120732
@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, djensen36@cox.net says...

> The ad drew me into my local Quizno's franchise, where I ordered the
> above sandwich and then sat there in disbelief looking at the tiny
> little thing that I was served. Yes, the sandwich you GET might be
> only 200 calories. The guy making the Sammie used what appeared to be
> a teaspoon to dole out one level spoonful of a lettuce and tomato mix,
> on top of what were 6 or 7 small bites of chicken. All of it very
> carefully measured onto a tiny round piece of bread. (The sodium
> content of the balsamic dressing was off the charts, giving this
> little appetizer sized "meal" an overly-salty and unhealthy flavor.)

Okay, here's the nutrition information from Quiznos' web site for the
"balsamic chicken flatbread sammie" (not including the dressing):

Calories: 170
Fat Calories: 30
Fat (g): 3.5
Saturated Fat (g): 0.5
Trans Fat (g): 0
Cholesterol (mg): 15
Sodium (mg): 410
Carbohydrates (g): 24
Fiber (g): 1
Sugar (g): 1
Protein (g): 11

We can pretty much assume that most of the protein is coming from the
chicken. For cooked white chicken meat, that works out to 38 grams of
chicken, or about 4 1/3 tablespoons.

So, the chicken contributes ~72 calories.

A slice of commercial white bread is about 70 calories. I expect that
the sammie bread is higher, because it appears denser. Maybe 90
calories?

So, that leaves 10 calories to dole out among the lettuce and tomatoes.

> I'm a consumer advocate, so I called the 800 number on the door of my
> franchise with a complaint. Oddly, the number was right below a giant
> photo of the sandwich I was eating - or, I should say, the sandwich I
> THOUGHT I'd be eating.
>
> They have "never gotten a complaint about this before" according to
> the Quizno's representative I spoke with. When I later spoke to the
> franchise owner, he told me that he hears this same concern from
> everyone, and agrees 100% with me that this is unorthodox advertising.
>
> Looking for truly healthy and low-cal food in a fast food restaurant?
> Look further than Quizno's. Those folks are false advertisers, at
> best.
>
> Dave

They're not lying about what they're selling, they're showing you a
photograph of a sandwich created from the actual ingredients by a food
stylist. So, the amount of chicken shown very likely was the same AMOUNT
by weight that you got, but trimmed, adjusted, stacked, and posed to
appear like more.

Big Macs don't look look their pictures, either, and I've never had a TV
dinner that more than vaguely resembled the one on the outside of the
box.

If you're really a consumer advocate, you're either new at this or very
naive.

Let's compare with some of the lowest calorie offerings from McDonald's:

Hamburger:
100 grams, 250 calories

Grilled [chicken] Snack Wrap® with Honey Mustard:
124 grams, 260 calories

Caesar Salad (without chicken):
213 grams, 90 calories

Caesar Salad with Grilled Chicken:
311 grams, 220 calories
(so 98 grams of chicken adds 130 calories)

The real problem is that American "super-sized" portions have completely
distorted our view of what a "serving" of anything should be.

Since we can buy a half gallon of soda that contains no measureable
calories, some people seem to be under the impression that we should be
able to do the same with a pound of corn-fed meat.

On the Quiznos web site, the banner headline over the sammies photograph
is: "Big Bold Taste. Smaller Size". Sounds like they're being
ridiculously honest there.

--Gene

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Date: Sat, Jan 26 2008 11:35 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Jan 25, 7:24 pm, "Lou" <lpogodajr292...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "val189" <gwehr...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>
> news:26b876a1-f91f-4e23-ba4e-265f90bfd37d@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...> On Jan 23, 8:37 pm, "Scott Fargham" <scotty...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > > "val189" <gwehr...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>
> news:06beadde-6e13-4297-b768-943f2c6f33d2@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > On Jan 23, 10:12 am, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >> So how little can you live on..$1000...$100...$10...$1?
>
> > > >> And to do it every day.
>
> > > >> So what is your minimum cost of living?
>
> > > >> Considering today's events, you may need to answer that question
> > > >> sooner than you think.
>
> > > >> TMT
>
> > > > Impossible to answer. There's are many levels of living costs between
> > > > my present living standard and taking my place under the overpass.
> > > > A better question might be - what did you spend per person per day
> > > > last year?
>
> That's a pretty tough call as well. For instance, under that criterion, the
> year we bought our current house, our per person per day spending was in the
> neighborhood of $450. We've been paying for that house ever since (mortgage
> ya know), but we spent the money all at once. If we take the stance that
> the interest on the mortgae was spent that year as well - after all, that's
> when we agreed to incur the bill - our per person per day spending that year
> was somewhere around $1,100 - $1,200
>
> Maybe I didn't spend anything in dollar terms, just exchanged one asset for
> another. After all, when I sold my first house, I got back all the dollars
> I'd laid out for mortgage payments over the time I'd owned it, and the same
> thing could happen with this house. I won't know until, when, and if I
> sell.
>
> I think that unless you are living under that overpass, figuring out your
> daily cost of living is pretty difficult. Large but infrequent costs don't
> usually just spring up suddenly out of nowhere - if you need a new roof
> tomorrow, it's because you've been living under the old one for 20-odd
> years, slowly "spending" that asset just as surely as you've been eating the
> food in the refrigerator. Counting the cost of food in your daily expenses
> and not the eventual cost of a new roof is somewhat inconsistent. And if
> you've prudently put money aside during those years to pay for the eventual
> new roof, that money isn't "savings", you're just buying the new roof a
> shingle at a time instead of all at once.
>
> Adding up the grocery bill and the gas bill and the electric bill and such
> is trivally easy, but most of my (and probably your) spending isn't so
> obvious, and determing how much it costs per day may not be possible for
> years.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Good points.

And this is the very reason why I said that some of the amounts
reported were too low.

From a survival standpoint, if you can't cover these costs you are
sunk.

TMT

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