Frugal Living: Sep 17, 2008

Wednesday, September 17, 2008

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TOPIC: I am losing my butt
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2b88d0c3914417a6?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 4:37 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote:
> In <48d13b46.5182841@amsterdam.newsgroups-download.com>, Chief
> Thracian wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:41:14 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone with a clue puts it in a fire proof safe, fuckwit.
>>
>> You said cash under the bed, Changing your tune now, are you?
>>
>> You're not particularly intelligent...that fact virtually screams at
>> anyone who reads your silly rants.
>>
>> You're obviously a very disturbed and angry little loser. Typical
>> ugly Amerikan. You should leave.
>
> The subtroll is in Australia. People who like to irritate other people
> so much may not live too long in America, where half the people have guns.

Even someone as stupid as you should have noticed that they dont work thru the net.

> There is even a FAQ on him.

You're jealous.

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 5:11 pm
From: William Souden

Rod Speed wrote:
> Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote:
>> In <48d13b46.5182841@amsterdam.newsgroups-download.com>, Chief
>> Thracian wrote:
>>> On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:41:14 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone with a clue puts it in a fire proof safe, fuckwit.
>>> You said cash under the bed, Changing your tune now, are you?
>>>
>>> You're not particularly intelligent...that fact virtually screams at
>>> anyone who reads your silly rants.
>>>
>>> You're obviously a very disturbed and angry little loser. Typical
>>> ugly Amerikan. You should leave.
>> The subtroll is in Australia. People who like to irritate other people
>> so much may not live too long in America, where half the people have guns.
>
> Even someone as stupid as you should have noticed that they dont work thru the net.
>
>> There is even a FAQ on him.
>
> You're jealous.
>
>

Why would anyone be jealous of a life long welfare recipient with n
friends, money or job skills who can only post juvenile bots whenever he
is asked to back up his claims?

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 5:26 pm
From: "JR Weiss"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote...
>
>>>> There really are no guarantees.
>
>>> Yes there are. . .
>
>>>> Even if the FDIC guarantees your bank deposits against bank
>>>> failures, your deposits aren't guaranteed against inflation, nor
>>>> devaluation of the dollar.
>
>>> They can be guaranteed against both if you organise them properly.
>
>> Oh great financial guru, pray tell ALL of us how to "organise them
>> properly" to secure guarantees against both inflation and devaluation!
>
> Completely trivial to organise them so that inflation wont affect
> them just by having them where they do better than inflation.

Fine. Tell us this "Completely trivial" scheme to put your deposits into banks
that are GUARANTEED against bank failures, inflation, and devaluation. If
that's too hard, try for 2 out of 3.

> The devaluation of the dollar is completely irrelevant when the bulk
> of what you buy comes from within the country or from that other
> country that chooses to have its currency loosely linked to the USD.

You are now putting unreasonable and implausible new limitations on your
previous claims. There is no way to GUARANTEE the source of the goods a person
buys over several years, or even one year. There is no way to GUARANTEE that
any country will to continue to [not] peg their currency against the US dollar,
"loosely" or otherwise.

> And if say you are planning to spend much of it outside the country, its
> completely trivial to have it in a currency that you believe will do better
> than the USD too, or the currency of the country you plan to spend it in etc.

We are still looking for your claimed GUARANTEES. There is no tie between my
beliefs regarding any country's fiscal health and any GUARANTEE of such.

We still await your "Completely trivial" scheme to provide those GUARANTEES.
Again, we will understand when it fails to materialize...

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 6:22 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

JR Weiss <jrweiss98155remove@remove.comcast.net> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>> There really are no guarantees.

>>>> Yes there are. . .

>>>>> Even if the FDIC guarantees your bank deposits against bank
>>>>> failures, your deposits aren't guaranteed against inflation, nor
>>>>> devaluation of the dollar.

>>>> They can be guaranteed against both if you organise them properly.

>>> Oh great financial guru, pray tell ALL of us how to "organise them
>>> properly" to secure guarantees against both inflation and devaluation!

>> Completely trivial to organise them so that inflation wont affect
>> them just by having them where they do better than inflation.

> Fine. Tell us this "Completely trivial" scheme to put your deposits into banks that are GUARANTEED against bank
> failures, inflation, and devaluation.

Just told you how to do that.

> If that's too hard, try for 2 out of 3.

2 is all thats relevant for most.

>> The devaluation of the dollar is completely irrelevant when the bulk
>> of what you buy comes from within the country or from that other
>> country that chooses to have its currency loosely linked to the USD.

> You are now putting unreasonable and implausible new limitations on your previous claims.

You're lying now.

> There is no way to GUARANTEE the source of the goods a person buys over several years, or even one year.

Wrong again when that source is either the US or China.

> There is no way to GUARANTEE that any country will to continue to [not] peg their currency against the US dollar,
> "loosely" or otherwise.

Wrong, as always. China isnt stupid enough to stop doing that, you watch.

>> And if say you are planning to spend much of it outside the country, its completely trivial to have it in a currency
>> that you believe will do better than the USD too, or the currency of the country you plan to spend it in etc.

> We are still looking for your claimed GUARANTEES.

Just how many of you are there between those ears, WEISS ?

> There is no tie between my beliefs regarding any country's fiscal health and any GUARANTEE of such.

Never said a word about any country's fiscal health.

If you plan to spend much of what you retire with in a particular country,
even someone as stupid as you should be able to work out how to move
an appropriate percentage of what you retire with to that country so you
dont care what happens to the currency relativitys with that particular country.

> We still await your "Completely trivial" scheme to provide those GUARANTEES.

Just how many of you are there between those ears, WEISS ?

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 8:33 pm
From: Derald

timeOday <timeOday-UNspam@theknack.net> wrote:

>"Personal Rate of Return from 01/01/2008 to 09/12/2008 is -16.2%"
Don't suppose there'd be any point to asking why you were still in
the market at a time when most folks with even partially functioning
brains were moving or already had moved to cash positions? Hell,
everybody except financial planners and a few goofy fund managers were
out of the compost pile by mid-'07 but, what the hell, it wasn't _their_
money and they get paid, anyway....
Face it, the economy has been increasingly phony since that great
philandering icon of Limousine Liberalism, FDR, rammed through his
wealth redistribution schemes and WWII happened before the bankruptcy of
his Keynesian Fallacy could be demonstrated. The productive minority has
labored against the Sisyphus' stone of government incompetence and
interference ever since and there's little hope for improvement. Face
it: Historically, competent honest people who can secure employment
elsewhere do not run for political office or seek bureaucratic
senecures.There will be no revolution, televised or otherwise. As I see
it, we will quietly devolve into a government-run economy of chronic
shortage and deprivation, after the European model, and of "progressive"
(the newspeak euphemism for welfare-state socialism) police-statism for
our own "safety". Ironically, the "freedom-loving" rightwingers have
done more to advance the latter state during the last 7 years than the
brain-dead egalitarian leftist clones have during the preceding 40. And
so it goes.... Good luck; I'm of an age to expect to be dead by then
and, if the plan goes well, will have exhausted my savings just in time
to be buried on the public teat. You have my sympathy.
As for _why_ we're presently up to our collective ass in
alligators, well, the following URL leads to as salient explanation as
you're going to find anywhere and, in my view, comes closer to the mark
than anything you're likely to hear from some useless academician
economist, grifting politician, nonproductive teevee talking head or
usenet idler. You'll want to give particular attention from the
paragraph beginning, "The revisions also allowed for the first time the
securitization of CRA-regulated loans containing subprime mortgages.".

The URL is not likely to be valid after close of business 18 Sept:

http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=306544845091102
--
HTH,
Derald

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 8:33 pm
From: Derald

"JR Weiss" <jrweiss98155remove@remove.comcast.net> wrote:

>Fine
Does the expression, "pissing into the wind" mean anything to you?
You'll eventually discover, on your own, what most of us in the NG
already know but here's a hint: Twit list is old Rod's natural habitat.
I'm not even sure the RS entity is a human being instead of merely
contentious (not argumentative) artificial unintelligence software.

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 8:04 pm
From: chief_thracian@yahoo.com (Chief Thracian)

On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:33:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Nope, you put the fireproof safe under the bed, fuckwit.

What kind of bed do YOU sleep on, that permits the height of a safe?
Oh, I get it: a CRIB. :)

><reams of your juvenile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>

And "Heil Hitler" to you, brownshirt!

--
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== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 8:08 pm
From: chief_thracian@yahoo.com (Chief Thracian)

On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:21:51 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) wrote:

> The subtroll is in Australia.

My heart goes out to the Land of Oz. What a curse!

>There is even a FAQ on him.

Hey you're right Don! I just searched for it:

http://phorums.com.au/archive/index.php/t-42666.html

"Essentially, Rod Speed is an insecure and worthless individual who
has discovered he can enhance his own self-esteem in his own eyes by
playing "the big, hard man" on the InterNet."

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TOPIC: Palin splurgin' on $2,500 silk jackets and other high fashion
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/968a95c4d776c842?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 4:53 pm
From: Thanatos

In article <RqqdnRexi5QI9kzVnZ2dnUVZ_sPinZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Dano" <janeanddano@yahoo.com> wrote:

> charliekilo wrote:

> > $2500 bucks for a jacket...for one of the biggest events in your life
> > doesn't seem too extravagant to me. My wife and I together make a
> > little more than they do, we live well within our means, and while my
> > wife doesn't have a $2500 jacket she does have several $2500 suits
> > and a whole bunch of purses in the $1000 range (*That* seems
> > extravagant to me. lol!). As for cost of living, compared to my
> > domicile in Austin, TX, Wasilla, AK seems cheap -- at least housing
> > costs.
>
> Congratulations on your wealth and success.

You say that like it's a bad thing. Why do liberals always treat those
who have achieved something in life like pariahs?

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 5:40 pm
From: "Dano"

Gumby wrote:
> On Sep 17, 3:37 pm, "Dano" <janeandd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Gumby wrote:
>>> On Sep 17, 2:26 pm, "Dano" <janeandd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> charliekilo wrote:
>>>>> "timeOday" <timeOday-UNS...@theknack.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:B-SdnZhgTvtV0kzVnZ2dnUVZ_o3inZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>> Val N. Teenow wrote:
>>>>>>> Where does a "hockey mom" get the money for $2,500 jackets?
>>
>>>>>> Good question. Who's picking up the tab?
>>
>>>>> Well, according to Stateline.org, the salary for Alaska's governor
>>>>> is $125,000 and her husband probably pulls in that much or more
>>>>> as a production manager in the oil field and add his professional
>>>>> fisherman income...they probably have at least a $275,000 annual
>>>>> income, no state income tax and a low cost of living...I can
>>>>> easily see how she could splurge on a $2500 jacket.
>>
>>>> You may be right...although 2,500 bucks for a SINGLE jacket seems
>>>> just a tad extravagent to this middle class voter
>>
>>> You're not a woman, obviously. Saks, Nordstrom, etc. normally sell
>>> silk jackets for well above $2,000. Lots of people buy them; even
>>> those who are not filthy rich.
>>
>> Thank goodness my wife isn't one of them. See this is what we're
>> talking about in regards to the inequity of wealth and the burden of
>> taxation. IMO, anyone with the disposable income available for that
>> type of discretionary spending should be ashamed to whine about
>> taxes.
>
> You tell 'em, komrade!

Really? Better start taking those Mandarin lessons now, so you're ready
when our Chinese loan officers decide to foreclose on the loans the
Republicans have used to finance these foreign adventures they so love to
get us involved in, but won't ask us to pay for.

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 5:48 pm
From: Joe

On Sep 18, 4:09 am, "charliekilo" <miles_kra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "timeOday" <timeOday-UNS...@theknack.net> wrote in message
>
> news:B-SdnZhgTvtV0kzVnZ2dnUVZ_o3inZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> > Val N. Teenow wrote:
> >> Where does a "hockey mom" get the money for $2,500 jackets?
>
> > Good question. Who's picking up the tab?
>
> Well, according to Stateline.org, the salary for Alaska's governor is
> $125,000 and her husband probably pulls in that much or more as a production
> manager in the oil field and add his professional fisherman income...they
> probably have at least a $275,000 annual income, no state income tax and a
> low cost of living...I can easily see how she could splurge on a $2500
> jacket.

yep, just an average hockey mom or so the spin goes.

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 6:32 pm
From: clams_casino

Thanatos wrote:

>In article <RqqdnRexi5QI9kzVnZ2dnUVZ_sPinZ2d@comcast.com>,
> "Dano" <janeanddano@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>charliekilo wrote:
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>>$2500 bucks for a jacket...for one of the biggest events in your life
>>>doesn't seem too extravagant to me. My wife and I together make a
>>>little more than they do, we live well within our means, and while my
>>>wife doesn't have a $2500 jacket she does have several $2500 suits
>>>and a whole bunch of purses in the $1000 range (*That* seems
>>>extravagant to me. lol!). As for cost of living, compared to my
>>>domicile in Austin, TX, Wasilla, AK seems cheap -- at least housing
>>>costs.
>>>
>>>
>>Congratulations on your wealth and success.
>>
>>
>
>You say that like it's a bad thing. Why do liberals always treat those
>who have achieved something in life like pariahs?
>
>

She's entitled to her wealth. I'm sure she earns it.

In this case, however, it's blatant hypocrisy.

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 6:33 pm
From: dennism3@dennism3.invalid (Dennis M)

In article
<41996ee6-205a-4bb4-97d0-17a01cf02067@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>, Gumby
<abbnor@gmail.com> wrote:

>>On Sep 17, 3:37 pm, "Dano" <janeandd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thank goodness my wife isn't one of them. See this is what we're talking
>> about in regards to the inequity of wealth and the burden of taxation. IMO,
>> anyone with the disposable income available for that type of discretionary
>> spending should be ashamed to whine about taxes.
>
>You tell 'em, komrade!

You tell 'em, ghost of Marie Antoinette!

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 7:09 pm
From: RU12?

Joe wrote:
> On Sep 18, 4:09 am, "charliekilo" <miles_kra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "timeOday" <timeOday-UNS...@theknack.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:B-SdnZhgTvtV0kzVnZ2dnUVZ_o3inZ2d@comcast.com...
>>
>>> Val N. Teenow wrote:
>>>> Where does a "hockey mom" get the money for $2,500 jackets?
>>> Good question. Who's picking up the tab?
>> Well, according to Stateline.org, the salary for Alaska's governor is
>> $125,000 and her husband probably pulls in that much or more as a production
>> manager in the oil field and add his professional fisherman income...they
>> probably have at least a $275,000 annual income, no state income tax and a
>> low cost of living...I can easily see how she could splurge on a $2500
>> jacket.
>
> yep, just an average hockey mom or so the spin goes.

Yeah, and that elitist Obama had the nerve to pay off his tuition
assistance loans. Who is he trying to impress.

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 7:46 pm
From: Ed Stasiak

> Val N. Teenow
>
> Insiders tell Page Six Palin has a secretive circle of stylists who dress
> her for events. For her big speech in St. Paul, where she accepted the
> GOP's vice-presidential nod, this fashion-conscious team encouraged the
> Alaska governor to splurge on a $2,500 jacket from Saks Fifth Avenue
> designed by Valentino Garavani.

Unlike Mahatma Obama, who no doubt weaves his own cloth....

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 7:50 pm
From: awthrawthr@gmail.com

On Sep 17, 11:45 am, "Val N. Teenow" <tee...@n.val> wrote:
> Where does a "hockey mom" get the money for $2,500 jackets?
>
> http://www.nypost.com/seven/09172008/gossip/pagesix/sarah_has_secret_...
>
> SARAH HAS SECRET STYLE TEAM
>
> September 17, 2008 -- HOCKEY mom Sarah Palin not only wore lipstick to the
> Republican National Convention, the vice-presidential candidate wore a
> shantung silk Valentino jacket worth $2,500.
>
> PHOTOS: A Look at Palin's Style
>
> Insiders tell Page Six Palin has a secretive circle of stylists who dress
> her for events. For her big speech in St. Paul, where she accepted the
> GOP's vice-presidential nod, this fashion-conscious team encouraged the
> Alaska governor to splurge on a $2,500 jacket from Saks Fifth Avenue
> designed by Valentino Garavani.
>
> Palin, shunning the pantsuits favored by Hillary Clinton, wore the top
> during her first big speech, where she told McCain's delegates: "I was just
> your average hockey mom, and signed up for the PTA because I wanted to make
> my kids' public education better."
>
> But she's springing for designer labels. One source familiar with Palin's
> primping posse told us, "They do not want the American public to know that
> Palin is using stylists or that she is paying for expensive clothes this
> early on in the campaign."
>
> We spoke to someone on Palin's styling team, who told us, "I did a little
> bit of personal styling, but I can't discuss anything I've done with Sarah
> Palin. I'm not sure which designs she wore . . . anything related to
> working with her is confidential."
>
> Presidential nominee John McCain's wife, Cindy, recently took some heat
> after Vanity Fair itemized the cost of her wardrobe during her RNC speech
> with Laura Bush to a whopping $300,000 worth of designer wear and diamonds.
>
> A representative for Valentino confirmed Palin wore one of his designs
> during her convention speech, but said she did not buy it from a Valentino
> store. Palin's reps had no comment.

B. Insane Obama bought a house for $1.6 million with the help of a now-
convicted felon who coughed up $625,000 to cement the deal.

But he couldn't spare an extra $10 for his brother who lives on a
dollar a month.

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TOPIC: Check reordering
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 5:14 pm
From: "Lou"

"Derald" <derald@invalid.net> wrote in message
news:xtidnTjpuPqz1kzVnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:
>
> >Getting longer delivery and vinyl saved about $15.
> Don't you just love it when they assume you to want the next higher
> tier or premium service which puts extra money in their pockets for
> essentially nothing? They must have learned it from the telephone
> companies.

Well, they probably shouldn't assume, but that's a bit harsh. I bet a lot
of people wait until they're out of checks before they order, and if they're
going to pay the bills they need a new batch as soon as possible. And it's
obvious that some people prefer gen-u-wine leather to vinyl. So the extra
price isn't for "essentially nothing".

What I don't understand is why you'd need another "book". When a pad of
checks is used up, you slip the backing from the old pad out of the book and
put in a new pad. You can continue this process with a new batch of checks,
there's no need for a new book unless the old one has worn out. Come to
think of it, that might be a reason to get leather - it would probably last
longer than vinyl and end up costing less in the long run.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 5:19 pm
From: "Lou"

"George Grapman" <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in message
news:EgcAk.542$be.80@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...
> Derald wrote:
> > George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Getting longer delivery and vinyl saved about $15.
> > Don't you just love it when they assume you to want the next higher
> > tier or premium service which puts extra money in their pockets for
> > essentially nothing? They must have learned it from the telephone
> > companies.
>
> A friend recently moved and AT&T tried to include all the added
> features. They were shocked that someone could survive without call
> waiting and three way because all she wanted was Caller ID.

I'd gone my whole life without any of those new fangled service - no call
waiting, no caller id, etc. - though I did upgrade to touch tone a couple of
decades ago. Recently we switched to FiOS and got, among other things,
caller id. I'm surprised at how much I like it. Maybe call waiting and
three way would be the same.

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TOPIC: Repost:The Rod Speed FAQ
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/5577ac2338ff0312?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 5:16 pm
From: William Souden

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.internet.wireless/2006-07/msg00462.html

After its recent emergence in the thread "How to calculate increase
of home wireless router range?", readers of this group may find
this useful. [based on a post in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage]

Who or What is Rod Speed?

Rod Speed is an entirely modern phenomenon. Essentially, Rod
Speed is an insecure and worthless individual who has discovered
he can enhance his own self-esteem in his own eyes by playing "the
big, hard man" on the InterNet.

Rod is believed to be from Australia.

Rod certainly posts a lot. Why is that?

It relates back to the point about boosting his own self esteem by
what amounts to effectively having a wank in public. Rod's
personality, as exemplified by his posts, means he is practically
unemployable which means he sits around at home all day festering
away and getting worse and worse. This means he posts more and
more try and boost the old failing self esteem. Being unemployed
also means he as a lot of time on his hands to post in he first
place.

But maybe Rod really is a very clever and knowledgable person?

Clever? His posts wouldn't support that theory. As far as being
knowledgable, well, Rod has posted to various aus newsgroups
including invest, comms, and politics. He has posted to all as a
self professed "expert" and flames any and all who disagree with
him. Logically, here's no way any single individual could be
more than a jack of all trades across such a wide spread of
subject matter.

But maybe Rod really is an expert in some areas?

Possibly. However, his "bedside manner" prevents him from being
taken seriously by most normal people. Also, he has damaged his
credibility in areas where he might know what he's on about by
shooting his self in the foot in areas where he does not. For
example, in the case of subject matter such as politics, even a
view held by Albert Einstein cannot be little more than an
opinion and to vociferously denigrate an opposing opinion is
simply small mindedness and bigotry, the kind of which Einstein
himself fought against his whole life.

What is Rod Speed's main modus operandi?

Simple! He shoots off a half brained opinion in response to any
other post and touts that opinion as fact. When challenged, he
responds with vociferous and rabid denigration. He has an
instantly recognisable set of schoolboy put downs limited pretty
much to the following: "Pathetic, Puerile, Little Boy, try
harder, trivial, more lies, gutless wonder, wanker, etc etc".
The fact that Rod has been unable to come up with any new insults
says a lot about his outlook and intelligence.

But why do so many people respond to Rod in turn?

It has to do with effrontery and a lack of logic. Most people
who post have some basis of reason for what they write and when
Rod retorts with his usual denigration and derision they respond
emotionally rather than logically. It's like a teacher in a
class room who has a misbehaving pupil. The teacher challenges
the pupil to explain himself and the student responds with "***
off, Big Nose!" Even thought the teacher has a fairly normal
proboscis, he gets a dent in his self-esteem and might resort to
an emotional repsonse like "yeah? well your *** wouldn't fill a
pop rivet, punk", which merely invites some oneupmanship from the
naughty pupil. Of course, the teacher should not have justified
the initial comment with a response, especially in front of the
class. The correct response was "please report to the
headmaster's office right NOW!"

What is a "RodBot"?

Some respondents in aus.invest built a "virtual Rod" which was
indiscernable from the "real" Rod. Net users could enter an
opinion or even a fact and the RoDBot would tell them they were
pathetic lying schoolboys who should be able to do better or some
equally pithy Rod Speedism.

Are you saying that Rod Speed is a Troll?

You got it!

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TOPIC: Repost:The Rod Speed Glossary
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 5:19 pm
From: William Souden

Welfare boy has gone off his meds again so it is time for a repost:

wanker-anyone with an education
monkey-someone with a job
ape-someone with a good paying job.
sales fool-someone with a good paying job requiring communication
skills
fuckwit-anyone posting facts that contradict his claims.
reams of puerile shit- the facts have clearly shown him to be wrong
but he can never ever admit a mistake.
couldn't bullshit his way...-admission of error
bullshit-Rod can not back up a claim
irrelevant- Rod after a link is posted showing he was wrong
race track bum-someone with disposable income.

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TOPIC: Repost: The work history of Rod Speed
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 5:22 pm
From: William Souden

Looks as if it is time to repost the pitiful work history of Rod
Speed.
He has had a total of one job as an adult.
A fast food place made the mistake of hiring him. He was moved from
the register because he could not handle public contact (customers
rarely enjoy being called fuckwits) and was moved to the fry grill.
He dropped a burger. The manager said "no problem, we all make
mistakes". Rod went into a tantrum and blamed the manager because, as we
know, he is never wrong.
He was then given the job of cleaning the rest rooms. He was fired
when , rather than scrub a toilet, he kept flushing it while yelling
""reams of puerile shit flushed down the toilet".
This all happened before lunch on the first day.
Rod has never had a another job. Keep in mind when one starts a new
job these things happen:
Your boss tells you what to do- Rod can never bear that.
You have questions-Rod never admits to not knowing everything.
You make a mistake-Rod can never admit to one.

Ever since then Rod has been on the dole. The check comes twice a
month and near the end of the cycle his posts make it obvious that the
meds have run out.
Each new case worker at the welfare office is assigned to Rod. They
keep hoping that a new person is hired to take over his case.

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TOPIC: Illegal Arrested for Rapes of Two Women, Aged 99, 81
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 5:59 pm
From: wismel@yahoo.com

On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:50:58 GMT, jazzerciser@hotmail.com (-) wrote:

>
>http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=5615
>
> Illegal Arrested for Rapes of Two Women, Aged 99, 81
>Immigration; Posted on: 2008-09-17
> [ Printer friendly / Instant flyer ]
>
>DNA allegedly IDs Jose Corrales as serial rapist
> http://www.wvwnews.net/images/teaser/corrales.jpg
>
>The 'Dark Side' of Illegal Immigration
> http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=5610
>
>
>A serial rapist preying on elderly women in Florida has been identified by
>police as illegal alien Jose Corrales, 33, according to reports. Coralles was
>arrested after DNA taken at the scene of two brutal sexual assaults in
>Hialeah, near Miami allegedly linked him to the attacks. News outlets have not
>explained how police were able to match the DNA to Coralles, or if he, like
>many illegals, had been arrested previously.
>
>Corrales was employed as a roofer in the Hialeah area, a trade that has seen
>its union membership smashed across the US by employer access to the cheap
>(and shoddy) illegal labor pool. On June 22, Corrales allegedly left the work
>site and followed a frail woman, aged 99, to her front door, where he
>overpowered her attempts to fight him off, beating her so mercilessly that he
>knocked her dentures out. He then dragged her by the neck into her bedroom
>where, police say, he forced the terrified woman to perform a sex act on him.
>
>On August 24, Corrales is alleged to have targeted a disabled woman, aged 81.
>In a similar set of events to the June attack, Corrales forcefully entered the
>handicapped woman's home and sexually assaulted her.
>
>According to local reports, Corrales has admitted to the crimes and faces a
>slew of rape, assault and other felony charges.
>
>The Hialeh rapes have not had widespread coverage in the "mainstream" media,
>however as a result of the internet the case has joined a long list of similar
>crimes perpetrated by "undocumented workers." Illegals from Latin America have
>become especially well known for sex crimes, as well as for a fatal drunk
>driving epidemic and gang behaviors.
>
>Often, these crimes have been facilitated by government policies in line with
>corporate and special interest agendas to foster illegal immigration. In many
>jurisdictions, police officers are specifically banned from reporting the
>immigration status of suspects, while some municipalities have declared
>themselves "sanctuary cities" sworn to protect illegal alien criminals from
>deportation.
>
>In a recent spectacular case that managed to break the "mainstream" media
>silence about these problems, a "sanctuary" gang felon in San Francisco gunned
>down a father and his two sons after avoiding deportation for earlier crimes
>thanks to these kinds of policies.
>
>Meanwhile, state governments are burdened with the costs of imprisoning
>illegal immigrant felons who are present mainly because Washington is either
>unwilling or unable to enforce federal immigration laws. The callousness of
>the federal government was especially made clear in the recent case of the
>execution of Jose Medellin, a gang rapist and murderer from Mexico who raped
>and killed two girls in Texas in 1993. President George Bush actually sided
>with the government of Mexico against Texas when Mexico argued in the
>International Court of Justice that Medellin's sentence violated international
>law.
>
>Illegal alien sexual crime is not limited to the United States. All across the
>Western world, Third World immigrants have participated in what is seen by
>many as a rape epidemic against white women and girls. Many of these rapists
>claim that white girls "ask" to be raped because of their clothes and
>behavior, and another aspect is the weakness Third Worlders see in a West that
>is unable to stem the immigration flow and even provides such illegals with
>free food, accommodation and schooling. Rape is a sad but constant consequence
>of war and invasion; many of these invaders see white women as part of their
>spoils.
>
>Increasingly, women's rights activists have begun to see the danger to women
>of Third World immigration, which brings people to the West whose own cultures
>have little or anything in common with accepted Western values, and which
>often see women as chattel. One such activist, Brenda Walker, has penned an
>important essay on the issue, Why Multiculturalism Is a Fraud and a Disaster
>for Women's Rights.
>
>News Source: EAU correspondent
>
>
>Related Stories
>The 'Dark Side' of Illegal Immigration:
> http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=5610
>
>Illegal Immigrants Take U.S. Lives Every Year
> http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=5403
>
>Illegal Immigrants Are Voting in American Elections
> http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=5342
>
>Italy: Troops on Streets to Combat Illegal Immigration Invasion
> http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=5291
>
>Italy Declares Emergency over Illegal Immigration Invasion
> http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=5243
>
>Shunning May be the Answer to Illegal Immigration
> http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=5175
>
>Italy 'Boots' 38 Egyptians as Part of Illegal Immigrant Crackdown
> http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=5087
>
>82,000 Illegal Aliens Enter US Each Month
> http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=5045
>
>
>
>
>2007-2008 European Americans United.

"A good illegal alien is a dead illegal alien, no exceptions".

ted

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 6:52 pm
From: brian w edginton

On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:59:19 -0700, wismel@yahoo.com wrote:

>"A good illegal alien is a dead illegal alien, no exceptions".
>
>ted

You, sir, are a bigot.

Plonk.
If you want to win an argument, it is best to
stick to the truth.
Or provable untruths.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 6:51 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>
> "Shanghai McCoy" <MTWillett@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:zhbAk.12400$rV4.10768@newsfe03.iad...
> > Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >> Lew Hartswick wrote:
> >>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >>>> BTW Rex-Aire built a higher suction version, but it was recalled
> >>>> after
> >>>> a few people succeeded in pulling their carpet loose from the tack
> >>>> strips.
> >>> That sounds like just what is needed to suck the oily chips out
> >>> of the T slots of a mill. :-)
> >>
> >>
> >> As long as they are smaller than a bowling ball. They could pick up a
> >> bowling ball, but it wouldn't go down the hose. Put a few drops of
> >> detergent in the water, and it will trap oily dust. A place was using
> >> one to clean up drops of mercury where they made thermometers fro
> >> several years. When the EPA found out they had to spend $30,000 on a
> >> replacement system hat didn't work as well.
> >>
> >>
> > Hehe... my ex used a Rainbow in an attempt to clean out the fireplace...
> > once!
>
> what a mess!!!

Not if you use enough detegent in the water. I've seen it done. It
works with plaster & drywall dust, as well.

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TOPIC: CVS Pharmacist calls customer a "Fucking AIDS freak"
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 7:59 pm
From: chief_thracian@yahoo.com (Chief Thracian)

On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:32:43 -0400, Patriot Games
<Patriot@America.Com> wrote:

>>>At best maybe 4% of the population is FAGGOTS.
>>Nope...10%, statistics have proven time and again.
>
>Yet you FAILED to CITE any...

What Percentage of the Population Is Gay?
by Jennifer Robison, Contributing Editor

In his 1948 book, Sexual Behavior in the Human Male, Alfred Kinsey
shocked the world by announcing that 10% of the male population is
gay. A 1993 Janus Report estimated that nine percent of men and five
percent of women had more than "occasional" homosexual relationships.
The 2000 U.S. Census Bureau found that homosexual couples constitute
less than 1% of American households. The Family Research Report says
"around 2-3% of men, and 2% of women, are homosexual or bisexual." The
National Gay and Lesbian Task Force estimates three to eight percent
of both sexes. So who's right -- what percentage of the population is
homosexual?

It may be that no one will ever know for sure. To some people,
homosexuality is a matter of perception and definition. Furthermore,
many people have trouble admitting their homosexuality to themselves,
much less to a researcher. But when Gallup asked Americans for their
best estimate of the American gay and lesbian population, the results
made all the figures mentioned above look conservative.

Every Fifth Person -- at Least

In August 2002*, Gallup asked Americans, in an open-ended format, to
estimate the percentage of American men and the percentage of American
women who are homosexual. The average estimates were that 21% of men
are gay and 22% of women are lesbians. In fact, roughly a quarter of
the public thinks more than 25% of men and 25% of women are
homosexual.

Read the entire article here:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/6961/What-Percentage-Population-Gay.aspx

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How Many Homosexuals ???

Some claim gays only make up 1% of the population, which would be
about 2.7 million citizens. Considering 500,000 attended the gay pride
day in New York City (police estimate gays claimed 700,000), this
would mean 1 in every 5 gays living in the United States
attended...including 3 year olds and 90 year olds. Obviously that is
absurd, only a very small percentage of the total gay population would
be active enough to go to New York for the event!

The government study which showed 1.534% was not confidential but
verbal in person interviews. With all the anti gay feelings in the
U.S. what makes you think someone would admit to a government worker,
in person, they were gay. What is amazing is that they did get 1%
admittance. What makes the study even more ridiculous is it was
conducted in two towns, both in states with anti-sodomy laws and
consisted of only 3,371 people, all men! ...

The best guess of actual homosexuality in the U.S. population is
probably 10%, again since it is likely in all these studies many will
not admit their homosexual activities in our society that falsely
teaches there is something wrong with homosexuality, which is simply a
natural sexual orientation God gave many people..

Regardless of whether the number is 2% or 20%, the issue is to end
discrimination and the false religious teachings that there is
anything wrong with someone simply because they have a natural
homosexual or bisexual gender orientation.

Remember Jews are only 2% of the U.S. population, far less than the
homosexual population. Yet no one is running around tying to make laws
to discriminate against Jews. Homosexuals should likewise not be
discriminated against, simply because God created them with a sexual
orientation that is offensive to perhaps 80% of the population.

Read the entire article here:

http://www.lionking.org/~kovu/bible/section14.html

Now, these statistics do NOT include bisexuals. But when you DO
include them--say, in regards to the percentage of non-heteros instead
of just homosexuals--this percentage drastically increases to at least
35%,

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* Palin splurgin' on $2,500 silk jackets and other high fashion - 11 messages,
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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 1:06 pm
From: dennism3@dennism3.invalid (Dennis M)

In article
<0f328d0c-c591-4713-89ab-1f9af18b2ebe@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, Rich
Hutnik <richardhutnik@gmail.com> wrote:

You're damn right we have to pay attention to decadent personal spending by
Republican leaders, because they're being hypocritical.

== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 1:22 pm
From: Dennis

On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:43:20 -0600, timeOday
<timeOday-UNSPAM@theknack.net> wrote:

>Val N. Teenow wrote:
>> Where does a "hockey mom" get the money for $2,500 jackets?
>
>Good question. Who's picking up the tab?

Absolutely inane question. Duh!

I don't have a dog in this fight -- I don't support Obama/Biden or
McCain/Palin. But I love the way that Palin has the shellshocked Dems
and the sycophant media scrambling to discredit her. What a great
move by the McCain campaign!

Best of all, I get to sit back and laugh at the petty ridiculousness
exhibited by both sides!

Deja vu -- it would be great if we had a presidential election that
offered more than Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum.

Dennis (evil)
--
"There is a fine line between participation and mockery" - Wally

== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 1:37 pm
From: "Dano"

Gumby wrote:
> On Sep 17, 2:26 pm, "Dano" <janeandd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> charliekilo wrote:
>>> "timeOday" <timeOday-UNS...@theknack.net> wrote in message
>>> news:B-SdnZhgTvtV0kzVnZ2dnUVZ_o3inZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> Val N. Teenow wrote:
>>>>> Where does a "hockey mom" get the money for $2,500 jackets?
>>
>>>> Good question. Who's picking up the tab?
>>
>>> Well, according to Stateline.org, the salary for Alaska's governor
>>> is $125,000 and her husband probably pulls in that much or more as a
>>> production manager in the oil field and add his professional
>>> fisherman income...they probably have at least a $275,000 annual
>>> income, no state income tax and a low cost of living...I can easily
>>> see how she could splurge on a $2500 jacket.
>>
>> You may be right...although 2,500 bucks for a SINGLE jacket seems
>> just a tad extravagent to this middle class voter
>
> You're not a woman, obviously. Saks, Nordstrom, etc. normally sell
> silk jackets for well above $2,000. Lots of people buy them; even
> those who are not filthy rich.

Thank goodness my wife isn't one of them. See this is what we're talking
about in regards to the inequity of wealth and the burden of taxation. IMO,
anyone with the disposable income available for that type of discretionary
spending should be ashamed to whine about taxes.

== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 1:41 pm
From: "Dano"

charliekilo wrote:
> "Dano" <janeanddano@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:aOCdnY8cf55-xEzVnZ2dnUVZ_uudnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> charliekilo wrote:
>>> "timeOday" <timeOday-UNSPAM@theknack.net> wrote in message
>>> news:B-SdnZhgTvtV0kzVnZ2dnUVZ_o3inZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> Val N. Teenow wrote:
>>>>> Where does a "hockey mom" get the money for $2,500 jackets?
>>>>
>>>> Good question. Who's picking up the tab?
>>>
>>> Well, according to Stateline.org, the salary for Alaska's governor
>>> is $125,000 and her husband probably pulls in that much or more as a
>>> production manager in the oil field and add his professional
>>> fisherman income...they probably have at least a $275,000 annual
>>> income, no state income tax and a low cost of living...I can easily
>>> see how she could splurge on a $2500 jacket.
>>
>> You may be right...although 2,500 bucks for a SINGLE jacket seems
>> just a tad extravagent to this middle class voter...but a "low cost
>> of living"? In Alaska? Really? You think?
>
> $2500 bucks for a jacket...for one of the biggest events in your life
> doesn't seem too extravagant to me. My wife and I together make a
> little more than they do, we live well within our means, and while my
> wife doesn't have a $2500 jacket she does have several $2500 suits
> and a whole bunch of purses in the $1000 range (*That* seems
> extravagant to me. lol!). As for cost of living, compared to my
> domicile in Austin, TX, Wasilla, AK seems cheap -- at least housing
> costs.

Congratulations on your wealth and success. I hope you aren't one of those
whining about and voting primarily on your taxes being raised or lowered.
I'll just add, I don't consider our family to be under-privileged in any
way...though we would appear to make far less than you...half as much I'm
guessing. I guarantee my wife NEVER spent over 2 grand on any garment. I
don't believe her wedding gown cost that. We were fortunate that we could
piece together a down payment for a home.

== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 2:09 pm
From: lorad

On Sep 17, 12:09 pm, "charliekilo" <miles_kra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "timeOday" <timeOday-UNS...@theknack.net> wrote in message
>
> news:B-SdnZhgTvtV0kzVnZ2dnUVZ_o3inZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> > Val N. Teenow wrote:
> >> Where does a "hockey mom" get the money for $2,500 jackets?
>
> > Good question. Who's picking up the tab?
>
> Well, according to Stateline.org, the salary for Alaska's governor is
> $125,000 and her husband probably pulls in that much or more as a production
> manager in the oil field and add his professional fisherman income...they
> probably have at least a $275,000 annual income, no state income tax and a
> low cost of living...I can easily see how she could splurge on a $2500
> jacket.

BS...
Here's how Palin pays for her bubble head fashion statements - she
uses taxpayer money:

"Four years later, the ambitious Palin won the Wasilla mayor's office
-- after scorching the "tax and spend mentality" of her incumbent
opponent. But Carney, Palin's estranged former mentor, and others in
city hall were astounded when they found out about a lavish
expenditure of Palin's own after her 1996 election. According to
Carney, the newly elected mayor spent more than $50,000 in city funds
to redecorate her office, without the council's authorization. "

"I thought it was an outrageous expense, especially for someone who
had run as a budget cutter," said Carney. "It was also illegal,
because Sarah had not received the council's approval."

According to Carney, Palin's office makeover included flocked, red
wallpaper. "It looked like a bordello."

Although Carney says he no longer has documentation of the
expenditures, in his recollection Palin paid for the office face-lift
with money from a city highway fund that was used to plow snow, grade
roads and fill potholes -- essential municipal services, particularly
in weather-battered Alaska.

Carney confronted Mayor Palin at a City Council hearing, and was
shocked by her response.

"I braced her about it," he said. "I told her it was against the law
to make such a large expenditure without the council taking a vote.
She said, 'I'm the mayor, I can do whatever I want until the courts
tell me I can't.'"

"I'll never forget it -- it's one of the few times in my life I've
been speechless," Carney added. "It would have been easier for her to
finesse it. She had the votes on the council by then, she controlled
it. But she just pushed forward. That's Sarah. She just has no respect
for rules and regulations."

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/17/palin_mayor/index.html

== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 2:34 pm
From: Gogarty

In article
<0f328d0c-c591-4713-89ab-1f9af18b2ebe@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
richardhutnik@gmail.com says...
>On Sep 17, 3:26 pm, "Dano" <janeandd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> charliekilo wrote:
>> > "timeOday" <timeOday-UNS...@theknack.net> wrote in message
>> >news:B-SdnZhgTvtV0kzVnZ2dnUVZ_o3inZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >> Val N. Teenow wrote:
>> >>> Where does a "hockey mom" get the money for $2,500 jackets?
>>
>> >> Good question. Who's picking up the tab?
>>
>> > Well, according to Stateline.org, the salary for Alaska's governor is
>> > $125,000 and her husband probably pulls in that much or more as a
>> > production manager in the oil field and add his professional
>> > fisherman income...they probably have at least a $275,000 annual
>> > income, no state income tax and a low cost of living...I can easily
>> > see how she could splurge on a $2500 jacket.
>>
>> You may be right...although 2,500 bucks for a SINGLE jacket seems just a
tad
>> extravagent to this middle class voter...but a "low cost of living"? In
>> Alaska? Really? You think?
>
>There are days that I long for John Edward's haircut not being made a
>political issue. Now, we have to pay attention to the cost of clothes
>that people are wearing, like McCain's loafers and his wife's
>wardrobe. How about competency be the issue, rather than whether or
>not the candidate is "like us"? Eating a baloney sandwich like Dubya
>does isn't a measure for how good of a president they will be.
>
>- Rich

You are banished! SDuch common sense is not permitted here, nor seldom seen.

== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 2:57 pm
From: Gumby

On Sep 17, 3:37 pm, "Dano" <janeandd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Gumby wrote:
> > On Sep 17, 2:26 pm, "Dano" <janeandd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> charliekilo wrote:
> >>> "timeOday" <timeOday-UNS...@theknack.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:B-SdnZhgTvtV0kzVnZ2dnUVZ_o3inZ2d@comcast.com...
> >>>> Val N. Teenow wrote:
> >>>>> Where does a "hockey mom" get the money for $2,500 jackets?
>
> >>>> Good question. Who's picking up the tab?
>
> >>> Well, according to Stateline.org, the salary for Alaska's governor
> >>> is $125,000 and her husband probably pulls in that much or more as a
> >>> production manager in the oil field and add his professional
> >>> fisherman income...they probably have at least a $275,000 annual
> >>> income, no state income tax and a low cost of living...I can easily
> >>> see how she could splurge on a $2500 jacket.
>
> >> You may be right...although 2,500 bucks for a SINGLE jacket seems
> >> just a tad extravagent to this middle class voter
>
> > You're not a woman, obviously. Saks, Nordstrom, etc. normally sell
> > silk jackets for well above $2,000. Lots of people buy them; even
> > those who are not filthy rich.
>
> Thank goodness my wife isn't one of them. See this is what we're talking
> about in regards to the inequity of wealth and the burden of taxation. IMO,
> anyone with the disposable income available for that type of discretionary
> spending should be ashamed to whine about taxes.

You tell 'em, komrade!

== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 3:08 pm
From: clams_casino

charliekilo wrote:

>"timeOday" <timeOday-UNSPAM@theknack.net> wrote in message
>news:B-SdnZhgTvtV0kzVnZ2dnUVZ_o3inZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>
>>Val N. Teenow wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Where does a "hockey mom" get the money for $2,500 jackets?
>>>
>>>
>>Good question. Who's picking up the tab?
>>
>>
>
>Well, according to Stateline.org, the salary for Alaska's governor is
>$125,000 and her husband probably pulls in that much or more as a production
>manager in the oil field and add his professional fisherman income...they
>probably have at least a $275,000 annual income, no state income tax and a
>low cost of living...I can easily see how she could splurge on a $2500
>jacket.
>
>
>
>

Plus they receive that $3269 x 7 = $22,883 welfare check from the
state of AK from the excess profits tax on oil.

Of course, that money would normally be used for state expenditures
but AK gets $5 back from the federal government for each dollar they
send in federal income taxes, which actually gets borrowed from China.

So who is picking up the tab? Your children will, eventually.

== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 3:10 pm
From: znuybv

On Sep 17, 12:26 pm, "Dano" <janeandd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> charliekilo wrote:
> > "timeOday" <timeOday-UNS...@theknack.net> wrote in message
> >news:B-SdnZhgTvtV0kzVnZ2dnUVZ_o3inZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> Val N. Teenow wrote:
> >>> Where does a "hockey mom" get the money for $2,500 jackets?
>
> >> Good question. Who's picking up the tab?
>
> > Well, according to Stateline.org, the salary for Alaska's governor is
> > $125,000 and her husband probably pulls in that much or more as a
> > production manager in the oil field and add his professional
> > fisherman income...they probably have at least a $275,000 annual
> > income, no state income tax and a low cost of living...I can easily
> > see how she could splurge on a $2500 jacket.
>
> You may be right...although 2,500 bucks for a SINGLE jacket seems just a tad
> extravagent to this middle class voter...but a "low cost of living"? In
> Alaska? Really? You think?

No way. That wouldn't even get you into an Obama fund raiser.
$28,000 plus another $2,500 to here Babs sing.
Save your money. Vote for Palin.

== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 3:10 pm
From: clams_casino

Gumby wrote:

>On Sep 17, 2:26 pm, "Dano" <janeandd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>charliekilo wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"timeOday" <timeOday-UNS...@theknack.net> wrote in message
>>>news:B-SdnZhgTvtV0kzVnZ2dnUVZ_o3inZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Val N. Teenow wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Where does a "hockey mom" get the money for $2,500 jackets?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Good question. Who's picking up the tab?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Well, according to Stateline.org, the salary for Alaska's governor is
>>>$125,000 and her husband probably pulls in that much or more as a
>>>production manager in the oil field and add his professional
>>>fisherman income...they probably have at least a $275,000 annual
>>>income, no state income tax and a low cost of living...I can easily
>>>see how she could splurge on a $2500 jacket.
>>>
>>>
>>You may be right...although 2,500 bucks for a SINGLE jacket seems just a tad
>>extravagent to this middle class voter
>>
>>
>
>You're not a woman, obviously. Saks, Nordstrom, etc. normally sell
>silk jackets for well above $2,000. Lots of people buy them; even
>those who are not filthy rich.
>
>
>

And as the Republican party is explaining it, Sarah represents a typical
middle class working woman with children.

Is there any doubt these people are completely out of touch?

== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 3:12 pm
From: clams_casino

Rich Hutnik wrote:

>There are days that I long for John Edward's haircut not being made a
>political issue. Now, we have to pay attention to the cost of clothes
>that people are wearing, like McCain's loafers and his wife's
>wardrobe. How about competency be the issue, rather than whether or
>not the candidate is "like us"?
>

Except She and McCain are making a big issue that the Palin family is a
typical middle class family.

Hmm - Someone is obviously way out of touch with reality.

== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 1:53 pm
From: William Souden

JR Weiss wrote:
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> There really are no guarantees.
>> Yes there are. . .
>>> Even if the FDIC guarantees your bank deposits against bank failures, your
>>> deposits aren't guaranteed against inflation, nor devaluation of the dollar.
>> They can be guaranteed against both if you organise them properly.
>
> Oh great financial guru, pray tell ALL of us how to "organise them properly" to
> secure guarantees against both inflation and devaluation!
>
> Of course, as always, we'll understand completely if you can't back up your
> claims with even a single fact. We're used to that...

His idea of facts are to whine "bullshit", and "irrelevant" or to go
into his paper bag or flushing bots.
Funny to see a lifetime welfare recipient claim that those
depending on Social Security are the dregs of society.
>
>

== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 2:33 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Chief Thracian <chief_thracian@yahoo.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>>> All that said, yeah, the markets are way too volatile for people in or very near retirement.

>>>>>> Wrong again. All those close to retirement have to do is avoid the most volatile markets.

>>>>> EVERY market is highly volatile, dufus

>>>> Cash under the bed isnt, fool.

>>> And what if a fire burns away all your moolah?

>> Anyone with a clue puts it in a fire proof safe, fuckwit.

> You said cash under the bed, Changing your tune now, are you?

Nope, you put the fireproof safe under the bed, fuckwit.

== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 2:45 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Chief Thracian <chief_thracian@yahoo.com> wrote
> John Que Public <jquepub@nullport.ca> wrote

>> Hell yes! Jack the taxes through the roof on those evil corporations.
>> Of course they will simply pass on the corporate taxes by raising the
>> prices of the products they manufacture or sell and the consumer will
>> pay the taxes.

> That's one of the loopholes that needs to be closed.

Not even possible.

> Taxes based on profits, not expenses.

Expenses have to be a tax deduction, otherwise low margin operations
end up getting crushed out of existence by taxation, fool.

> Limit the profits to something reasonable,

Which is what the current system does, fool.

> which will also limit how much customers will be charged.

Wrong, as always. Its always worth making more profit and paying the tax on the profit.

>> FYI: All taxes are paid by the little guys so any tax
>> increase to any group falls on the backs of consumers.

> Wrong....

Nope, fact.

> the main problem is the warped disttribution of wealth.

And any country that is stupid enough to try taxing the wealth of the wealthy away
just sees the wealthy leave the country and take the jobs they produce with them.

> Workers make corporations rich...

Wrong, as always. The stinking rich in modern first world countrys get that way by
doing what Gates, Buffet, Brim etc did, and thats got nothing to do with 'workers'

> yet very liftle of the resulting assets are shared with workers.

Another bare faced pig ignorant lie. Have a look at how many millionaires Microsoft produced sometime.

> Brainwash employees to think that is a communistic
> approach, and you have them fighting against their own
> well being...against living wages and universal health care.

Like happened with GM and Ford etc, right ?

>> The auto industry is a prime example of tax and government program
>> cost increase being passed on to the consumer. In 1974 a new ford 1/2
>> ton van cost around $4000.00

> I don't care WHAT rationale you use to justify criminal capitalism,
> 'cause we already have successful economies in the rest of the
> advanced nations that do exactly as I've suggested needs be done here.

Then you had better set fire to yourself in 'protest' or something, child.

>> When government involves itself in the taxation, production or operation
>> of any business the consumer is the one that pays the added cost.

> And by the same token, government can be altered to protect its
> citizens from stealth capitalism that destroys communities, pushes
> people onto the streets, denies decent health care, and steals our
> hopes for a better world. Government is anything the people want it to be.

And most of them are too stupid to even vote for a universal national health care system.

== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 2:50 pm
From: William Souden

Rod Speed wrote:
> Chief Thracian <chief_thracian@yahoo.com> wrote
>> John Que Public <jquepub@nullport.ca> wrote
>
>>> Hell yes! Jack the taxes through the roof on those evil corporations.
>>> Of course they will simply pass on the corporate taxes by raising the
>>> prices of the products they manufacture or sell and the consumer will
>>> pay the taxes.
>
>> That's one of the loopholes that needs to be closed.
>
> Not even possible.
>
>> Taxes based on profits, not expenses.
>
> Expenses have to be a tax deduction, otherwise low margin operations
> end up getting crushed out of existence by taxation, fool.
>
>> Limit the profits to something reasonable,
>
> Which is what the current system does, fool.
>
>> which will also limit how much customers will be charged.
>
> Wrong, as always. Its always worth making more profit and paying the tax on the profit.
>
>>> FYI: All taxes are paid by the little guys so any tax
>>> increase to any group falls on the backs of consumers.
>
>> Wrong....
>
> Nope, fact.
>
>> the main problem is the warped disttribution of wealth.
>
> And any country that is stupid enough to try taxing the wealth of the wealthy away
> just sees the wealthy leave the country and take the jobs they produce with them.
>
>> Workers make corporations rich...
>
> Wrong, as always. The stinking rich in modern first world countrys get that way by
> doing what Gates, Buffet, Brim etc did, and thats got nothing to do with 'workers'
>
>> yet very liftle of the resulting assets are shared with workers.
>
> Another bare faced pig ignorant lie. Have a look at how many millionaires Microsoft produced sometime.
>
>> Brainwash employees to think that is a communistic
>> approach, and you have them fighting against their own
>> well being...against living wages and universal health care.
>
> Like happened with GM and Ford etc, right ?
>
>>> The auto industry is a prime example of tax and government program
>>> cost increase being passed on to the consumer. In 1974 a new ford 1/2
>>> ton van cost around $4000.00
>
>> I don't care WHAT rationale you use to justify criminal capitalism,
>> 'cause we already have successful economies in the rest of the
>> advanced nations that do exactly as I've suggested needs be done here.
>
> Then you had better set fire to yourself in 'protest' or something, child.
>
>>> When government involves itself in the taxation, production or operation
>>> of any business the consumer is the one that pays the added cost.
>
>> And by the same token, government can be altered to protect its
>> citizens from stealth capitalism that destroys communities, pushes
>> people onto the streets, denies decent health care, and steals our
>> hopes for a better world. Government is anything the people want it to be.
>
> And most of them are too stupid to even vote for a universal national health care system.

When was it ever on the ballot?
Be glad you have in Australia,welfare boy, otherwise you would be
living on a cardboard box.
Come one,little man, give me the flushing bot.
>
>

== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 2:58 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Chief Thracian <chief_thracian@yahoo.com> wrote
> not@home.org (Barack's Bomber, Bill Ayres) wrote
>> Chief Thracian <chief_thracian@yahoo.com> wrote

>> Historians tell us that since the inception of homo sapiens,
>> the world has been at peace for something like 16 minutes.

> And the USA hasn't been helping any, either.

Another pig ignorant lie. The US did attempt to stay out of WW2 and let the
stupid europeans rip their throats out yet again. Then the Japs were stupid
enough to do Pearl Harbour and they decided that that couldnt be ignored.

>> Regarding the present, tell your whine to Akmed and those who
>> are on a global mission to convert, enslave, or kill all infidels.

> We need to start addressing the evils right here at home, too.

You're always welcome to set fire to yourself in 'protest', child.

> Plenty of terrorism, violence,, religious fanaticism going on here, too.

There is right thruout the entire world, child.

> Plenty of poverty, homelessness, homophobia, racism, misogeny, etc.
> This nation's an unholy mess.

You're always welcome to set fire to yourself in 'protest', child.

>>> WWII is just ONE war. Which COULD have been averted if we didn't
>>> have so much business selling Nazis war material. But WWII was
>>> planned by our own gov't, as a way for the elite to get even richer.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.

>> Are you Neville Chamberlain's great grandson?

> There is no denying the US businesses invested heavily
> in the Nazi empire, which fostered the last great war.

They invested in germany LONG before the nazis showed up, child.

> That fact does not make anyone a Neville Chamberlain, simply for stating it.

That wasnt the reason he said that, child.

>> Perhaps you'd find life more enjoyable in a utopia like Cuba, North Korea, or Vietnam.

> Of course not. My claim is the US is barely any better, these days.

You're always welcome to set fire to yourself in 'protest', child.

> We've become a fascist empire.

You wouldnt know what a real fascist was if one bit you on your lard arse, child.

> How convenient of you to NOT cite those nations in which I WOULD find
> life more enjoyable, because democratic ideals are better practiced there:

> Holland, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Spain, France, Canada, New Zealand,
> Australia, and most of the remaining western-civilized nations.

You're always welcome to fuck off to any of those that will have you, child.

Bet none of them are actually that stupid.

>> Perhaps you'd savor life in one of the 57 Muslim countries.
>> If you're a female, I'm sure you'd enjoy practicing the quaint
>> traditions of Sharia law.

> I'm a gay male.

Your problem.

> Gays are treated even worse than women are, in Islam.

Your problem.

> But gays are not much better off here in the US.

Your problem.

> We gays are terrorized 24/7/365 here in the so-called free world of Amerika.

You're always welcome to set fire to yourself in 'protest', child.

>> I've heard of the wonders of national health from my friends in UK.
>> They get to pull their own teeth, wait a mere 6 months to get MRIs,
>> 2 years to see a psychiatrist .... rejection of obese patients ...
>> delaying necessary treatment for cancer patients ....

> You pick the worst example of health care in western europe.

And lied about how it works too.

> How convenient of you. And Canada has been sabotaged by the overrunning
> of US for-profit health services, which should never have been allowed.
> France, Spain, Holland, Scandanavia and various other western nations
> are far superior w/health care than the US/England/Canada.

You're always welcome to set fire to yourself in 'protest', child.

>> Hey, if it talks like a commie, and smells like a commie ......

> Go ahead, be as ignorant as you want, you're a brainwashed dolt. So
> anything that is a compassionate plan is "communistic". Good show!
> YOU'RE kind of democracy is indistinguishable from a Nazi regime.

Havent noticed any concentration camps or millions of jews being gassed and cremated, child.

== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 3:09 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Chief Thracian <chief_thracian@yahoo.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Chief Thracian <chief_thracian@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> not@home.org (Barack's Bomber, Bill Ayres) wrote

>>>>>> Fine? What about the incalculable suffering and deaths?

>>>> Yeah, that seems to accompany wars.

>>> Wars that are not necessary.

>> Yes, you are always welcome to hand out flowers to invaders, and die.

>>>> Well, we could have been appeasement apostles and perhaps you'd
>>>> be living under Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, or Islamic Sharia law.

>>> WWII is just ONE war. Which COULD have been averted if
>>> we didn't have so much business selling Nazis war material.

>> The US was completely irrelevant to WW2 until Pearl Harbour, you ignorant clown.

> FDR knew about Japan's plan to bomb Peral Harbour, but kept silent.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.

> He could have stopped them before they could ever bomb.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.

> He let war happen, as it would profit Amerikan corporations.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.

>>>> Do you think you'd be able to run your mouth under them, as freely as you do now?

>>> Well, since we helped to creat that war, I'd say our leaders already WERE Nazis,,,,

>> You wouldnt know what a real Nazi was if one bit you on your lard arse, child.

>>> and our supposed freedoms were simply illusions all along.

>> So now that you have spilled the beans on the rich, they'll have you executed eh ?

> They would if they could.

But you have them fooled with that pathetic excuse for a nick eh ?

> And they're trying as much as they can to execute ALL good patriots who denounce our corrupt government.

How odd that they havent managed to find you, child.

They dont even have the draft anymore, child.

== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 3:17 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

JR Weiss <jrweiss98155remove@remove.comcast.net> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>> There really are no guarantees.

>> Yes there are. . .

>>> Even if the FDIC guarantees your bank deposits against bank
>>> failures, your deposits aren't guaranteed against inflation, nor
>>> devaluation of the dollar.

>> They can be guaranteed against both if you organise them properly.

> Oh great financial guru, pray tell ALL of us how to "organise them
> properly" to secure guarantees against both inflation and devaluation!

Completely trivial to organise them so that inflation wont affect
them just by having them where they do better than inflation.

The devaluation of the dollar is completely irrelevant when the bulk
of what you buy comes from within the country or from that other
country that chooses to have its currency loosely linked to the USD.

And if say you are planning to spend much of it outside the country, its
completely trivial to have it in a currency that you believe will do better
than the USD too, or the currency of the country you plan to spend it in etc.

== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 3:21 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In <48d13b46.5182841@amsterdam.newsgroups-download.com>, Chief Thracian wrote:
>On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:41:14 +1000, "Rod Speed"
><rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Anyone with a clue puts it in a fire proof safe, fuckwit.
>
>You said cash under the bed, Changing your tune now, are you?
>
>You're not particularly intelligent...that fact virtually screams at
>anyone who reads your silly rants.
>
>You're obviously a very disturbed and angry little loser. Typical ugly
>Amerikan. You should leave.

The subtroll is in Australia. People who like to irritate other people
so much may not live too long in America, where half the people have guns.
There is even a FAQ on him.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 3:34 pm
From: William Souden

Rod Speed wrote:
> JR Weiss <jrweiss98155remove@remove.comcast.net> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>> There really are no guarantees.
>
>>> Yes there are. . .
>
>>>> Even if the FDIC guarantees your bank deposits against bank
>>>> failures, your deposits aren't guaranteed against inflation, nor
>>>> devaluation of the dollar.
>
>>> They can be guaranteed against both if you organise them properly.
>
>> Oh great financial guru, pray tell ALL of us how to "organise them
>> properly" to secure guarantees against both inflation and devaluation!
>
> Completely trivial to organise them so that inflation wont affect
> them just by having them where they do better than inflation.
>
> The devaluation of the dollar is completely irrelevant when the bulk
> of what you buy comes from within the country or from that other
> country that chooses to have its currency loosely linked to the USD.
>
> And if say you are planning to spend much of it outside the country, its
> completely trivial to have it in a currency that you believe will do better
> than the USD too, or the currency of the country you plan to spend it in etc.
>
> <reams of your puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>
>
>

Off your meds again,welfare boy?

== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 3:36 pm
From: William Souden

Don Klipstein wrote:
> In <48d13b46.5182841@amsterdam.newsgroups-download.com>, Chief Thracian wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:41:14 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone with a clue puts it in a fire proof safe, fuckwit.
>> You said cash under the bed, Changing your tune now, are you?
>>
>> You're not particularly intelligent...that fact virtually screams at
>> anyone who reads your silly rants.
>>
>> You're obviously a very disturbed and angry little loser. Typical ugly
>> Amerikan. You should leave.
>
> The subtroll is in Australia. People who like to irritate other people
> so much may not live too long in America, where half the people have guns.
> There is even a FAQ on him.
>
Rod serves a purpose. The rest of us can be thankful that,unlike
Rod, we have lives,jobs,money and friends.

== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 4:37 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Even someone as stupid as you should have noticed that they dont work thru the net.

> There is even a FAQ on him.

You're jealous.

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Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 3:15 pm
From: clams_casino

jack wrote:

>Hey Guys,
>I found this site when I was searching for free MP3 songs.
>Let me know if you guys like it.
>
>

You found your own site?

No, your spam is not appreciated here.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 3:43 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <gaqq8a$aj6$1@aioe.org>, OhioGuy wrote:
> I just sold some stocks so that we could finally pay off our mortgage
>completely. I got the checks from scottrade in the mail yesterday, and went
>to deposit them. I was told there would be a delay before the funds would
>be available. I figured it would be maybe 3 days. They told me it would be
>5, so I figured max of 1 week including the weekend.
>
> When I got home, I noticed that the receipt said the funds would be
>available OCTOBER 1, not the 5 days I had been told. So now I have to wait
>a full two weeks before paying off the mortgage, which seems excessive.
>It's a whole half month they get to keep my $ and I can't do anything with
>it.
>
> Now I'm remembering that we had to wait a whole week when we deposited our
>tax refund, and that was directly from the US Treasury. The US Treasury and
>Scottrade are well known, trusted entities, so why in the world are they
>making us wait so long for funds to be available? What is the purpose? I
>thought they usually just scanned the checks and transferred the funds in a
>day, like a wire transfer.
>
> Are these normal wait times at banks for "large" deposits of around $11k?
>I'm wondering why the cashier told me 5 days, but it turns out to be 15.

I have had excessive delays on large checks also, at 2 different banks.
I have even changed banks over this once because the delay appeared to me
to be BS.

And if Congress passes yet another law regulating behaviour of
businesses, in this case the industry will have only itself to blame.

Tell your congressman and your senator about this. Your Congressman is
running for re-election, unless retiring instead.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 5:16 pm
From: Derald

George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:

>A few times I have asked companies to detail the charges before I
>order and have found that the shipping charges far exceed their actual
>cost
LOL! Reminds me of an experience I had in the late '80's: I geeked
for one of those 8-for-a-penny computer book deals. Well, the invoice
included about a $24.00 shipping/handling charge. Of course, I returned
the order along with a request for an employment application, provided
that they really were paying order-pickers the wages implied by the s&h
charge. To date, no reply....

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