Sunday, April 24, 2011

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Today's topics:

* Incorrect marked prices on Oxtail in the meat counter section - 1 messages,
1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/77a28d6b9739bf88?hl=en
* Speed Cameras + Red Light Cameras = Safer Roads - 7 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/05dcd9859c28adf1?hl=en
* Where's the solidarity of the American Christians with the Mexican
Christians? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/7bcaddcb0cf12f34?hl=en
* Liberation of Women should include Exposed Breasts - 6 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/0a8e226dcb97aa19?hl=en

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TOPIC: Incorrect marked prices on Oxtail in the meat counter section
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/77a28d6b9739bf88?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 22 2011 11:18 pm
From: The Real Bev


On 04/22/11 17:51, Nick Naim wrote:

> Got a good deal on a package of oxtails at the local big box super market
> today.
> Price for oxtail was marked as price for beef liver.
> All the pkgs of oxtail were marked the same way as beef liver instead of
> oxtail.
> Saved 5 bucks on a pkg of oxtails.
> The kid at the check out register was asleep at the switch so that helped,

My grandma used to make oxtail soup. Whenever she did it I left the
house and had a peanut butter sandwich for dinner. Same for liver.
I've probably saved $thousands over the years by avoiding both :-)

--
Cheers, Bev
===============================================
Last night I played a blank tape at full blast.
The mime next door went nuts!

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TOPIC: Speed Cameras + Red Light Cameras = Safer Roads
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/05dcd9859c28adf1?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 23 2011 6:36 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"


On Apr 23, 8:27 am, Phil<p...@thecork.trig222.f9.co.uk> wrote:
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> writes:
> > They have set up red light cameras around here, and it still doesn't
> > stop the barbarian drivers from speeding.
>
> Maybe thats because they are intended to stop driver going through
> red-lights.

Right, they are not taming traffic between lights. But you'd assume
the drivers would somehow tame themselves. We simply need the whip
against the wild animals.


== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 23 2011 3:30 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"


(POSTED AT MY LOCAL FORUM --BECAUSE THEY NEED TO KNOW!)

OK, I just want to mention that RED LIGHT CAMERAS + SPEED CAMERAS =
SAFER ROADS

That's a formula easy to remember. As much of 82% of speeding 10 miles
over the limit is reduced this way.

But I want to focus my attention --or should I say my wisdom-- on
another object of stupid design...

Last Friday (8 nights ago) we were scrambling out of South Pointe Park
and I hit a chain on my way out that almost gave me a heart attack and
damaged the most sacred object of the Beach Cruiser Philosophy --my
bike. I wasn't thrown over the handlebar because fate or Buddha is
watching over me.

Again I visited last night and was almost speechless that this chain
is found at the entrance to the park (at Washington Ave), with no
markings on warning of any kind. It must be a bicycle trap. But wait,
it's not the only trap. There are many innocent-looking ramps going
down to the grass next to the channel where a cyclist can simply fall
and hit his head and... another case for the lawyers.

Well guys, I already gave up the mixed path nearby, with its dogs,
blinding lights, distracted pedestrians and blue carpet (the bike
destroyer) and I'm doing loops endlessly at a park --full of homeless,
but that's another issue.

Happy survival to all!

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 23 2011 4:37 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"


(Do you expect me to run into trouble?)

On Apr 23, 3:22 pm, Billy <Wildbi...@withouta.net> wrote:

> In the US, we are supposed to be protected by the Fourth Amendment from
> unreasonable search and seizure. What constitutes reasonableness,
> curiosity? There needs to be a compelling basis for invading our
> privacy, and that compelling basis, and not a woman's breasts, needs to
> be transparent to scrutiny.

I don't care. I want more cameras to fight BAD DRIVERS, PETTY
CRIMINALS, POLLUTERS... I really don't give a damn because I'm playing
by the rules.

By the way, I want to wear a MONKEY MASK and ride my bike with it to
see whether there's a problem with it. Nice way to catch attention and
hand out my fliers. It seems to me that most people is wearing a mask
anyway, and Christianity is part of the hypocrisy of the system.

This mask is more of a hominid than a monkey so it will bring them
back to a reality that they want to avoid. I will hand out some
bananas as well --for those who are nice. ;)


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http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 23 2011 7:29 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"


On Apr 23, 8:53 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Once again, MonkeyBoy demonstrates his love of Big Brother. Sadly, the facts
> are that Red Light Cameras are not only ineffective, they also result in
> rear end collisions that would not have happened had the guy in front not
> stopped in the first second of a Yellow.

I'm sorry to hear that you are such a supporter of a Banana Republic.
If you hate Big Brother, go smash the red lights (when they don't see
you) and remove the speed limit signs. If they are there, they must be
FOLLOWED & ENFORCED by all means possible, all the time. I don't want
to see cars going 45mph on a 30mph zone.

I haven't seen those accidents that you talk about and I've seen those
red light cameras flashing all the time. Regrettably we don't have
SPEED CAMERAS, which are the only ones that can bring some safety for
other cars, bicycles and pedestrians.

Protesters who hate speed cameras in Europe (they have their own share
of barbarian drivers) go and vandalize them. Perhaps you can join
their ranks.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 23 2011 10:12 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)


In <d43e63cc-1458-4a0c-a186-8ec1a34da03a@p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:

>(POSTED AT MY LOCAL FORUM --BECAUSE THEY NEED TO KNOW!)
>
>OK, I just want to mention that RED LIGHT CAMERAS + SPEED CAMERAS =
>SAFER ROADS

Ordinarily, I am in favor of red light cameras.

My mood on those got sour a couple months after I noticed a new red
light camera on Walnut St. around 58th in West Philadelphia - by a
school.

What got my mood sour: Someone shortened the duration of the yellow
light by half a second. That says to me that the camera's goal was not
safety, but get money from drivers.

>That's a formula easy to remember. As much of 82% of speeding 10 miles
>over the limit is reduced this way.

Most accidents are not caused by speeding by up to 10 MPH.

One thing to keep in mind is that some speed limits are set by higher
level government mandates, rather than traffic engineers.

Another thing to keep in mind: What causes most crashes:

* Failure to stop and/or yield when required by signs/signals or the
state vehicle code

* Passing in ways that are illegal or at least notably impolite

* DUI

A lesser but significant one: Failure to use turn signal, *sufficiently
in advance*, for turns and lane changes. Lane changes include rightward
shift onto a bike land in preparation for a right turn, also going into
or coming out of the parking lane.

All bikes ridden by people with able arms have turn signals. I ask
my fellow drivers of motorless 2-wheelers to use their turn signals, as
well as motorists.

Also, cyclists on roads should ride with traffic, unless official signs
or signals say otherwise. All too often when I'm in Philadelphia, I see
cyclists (disproportionally helmet-less) cycling against traffic, even
into arrows on bike lanes that have arrows.

>But I want to focus my attention --or should I say my wisdom-- on
>another object of stupid design...
>
>Last Friday (8 nights ago) we were scrambling out of South Pointe Park
>and I hit a chain on my way out that almost gave me a heart attack and
>damaged the most sacred object of the Beach Cruiser Philosophy --my
>bike. I wasn't thrown over the handlebar because fate or Buddha is
>watching over me.
>
>Again I visited last night and was almost speechless that this chain
>is found at the entrance to the park (at Washington Ave), with no
>markings on warning of any kind. It must be a bicycle trap.

Single-level, especially cyclist-eye-level chains and ropes are
cyclist traps. My experience is that to "cyclist vision", those are
half-invisible - like cyclists are to some cagers not looking for any
vehicle on the road smaller than a fellow cage.
"Bike? What bike? I don't see any bike?" *SMASH!* "Oh, the one in
front of me!"
(One fine day that actually happened to me. I was riding straight and
steady in a traffic lane in daytime in fair weather, and *BOOM!* and I
was flying! Thankfully, in part to a diet rich in skim milk and veggies,
in part to strength-building exercise, in part to inheriting my father's
dense bones, I only got a few minor bumps, bruises and a mildly strained
muscle.)

Back to cyclist-eye-level chains and ropes: I got trapped by 4 of
these already in the past roughly 300,000 miles.
The 2 worse of these were when I was riding alongside the rope/chain
and my brain "tunnel-visioned" by zooming onto straight-ahead. (I
frequently test my eyes for good peripheral vision - I still had over 180
degrees only a few minutes ago, with eyes fixed into looking straight
ahead.)

Back to ropes or chains that I was riding alongside:

One gave me a rope burn on one of my upper arms, leaving a scar that
lasted a few years.

The other got me to snag it, and flip over it - and I landed on the
crown of my head. (Fortunately, I was as usual, wearing a helmet.)

A couple times I hit ropes ahead of me at cyclist-eye-level. (No
significant injuries in either case.) A few times I also did not see
eye-level tree branches in front of me until I knew that I had to brace
myself for collision with those.

> But wait, it's not the only trap. There are many innocent-looking ramps
>going down to the grass next to the channel where a cyclist can simply
>fall and hit his head and... another case for the lawyers.

How about driving on rural roads in West Virginia? Many of those are
rich in curves on mountains, all-too-often without guardrails. Better
know what speed is safe, or else you skid off the road and fall down the
mountain!

>Well guys, I already gave up the mixed path nearby, with its dogs,
>blinding lights, distracted pedestrians and blue carpet (the bike
>destroyer) and I'm doing loops endlessly at a park --full of homeless,
>but that's another issue.
>
>Happy survival to all!

Likewise,
--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)


== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 23 2011 10:26 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"


On Apr 24, 1:12 am, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
> In <d43e63cc-1458-4a0c-a186-8ec1a34da...@p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> >(POSTED AT MY LOCAL FORUM --BECAUSE THEY NEED TO KNOW!)
>
> >OK, I just want to mention that RED LIGHT CAMERAS + SPEED CAMERAS =
> >SAFER ROADS
>
> Ordinarily, I am in favor of red light cameras.
>
> My mood on those got sour a couple months after I noticed a new red
> light camera on Walnut St. around 58th in West Philadelphia - by a
> school.
>
> What got my mood sour: Someone shortened the duration of the yellow
> light by half a second. That says to me that the camera's goal was not
> safety, but get money from drivers.
>
> >That's a formula easy to remember. As much of 82% of speeding 10 miles
> >over the limit is reduced this way.
>
> Most accidents are not caused by speeding by up to 10 MPH.

30 + 10 = 40mph, at that speed the danger is multiplied, the noise
level is intensified and your determination shaken.

It's like mandating 15mph in school zones, why not mandate reduced
speeds around cyclists?


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 23 2011 11:18 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)


In <bf375e1e-04de-4f87-87a7-067ee49e43f1@r6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>On Apr 23, 8:53 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Once again, MonkeyBoy demonstrates his love of Big Brother. Sadly, the facts
>> are that Red Light Cameras are not only ineffective, they also result in
>> rear end collisions that would not have happened had the guy in front not
>> stopped in the first second of a Yellow.

>I'm sorry to hear that you are such a supporter of a Banana Republic.
>If you hate Big Brother, go smash the red lights (when they don't see
>you) and remove the speed limit signs. If they are there, they must be
>FOLLOWED & ENFORCED by all means possible, all the time. I don't want
>to see cars going 45mph on a 30mph zone.

<I SNIP from here>

The way I hear it, on "state roads" in PA, a 30 MPH zone is not legal
to do under PA state law - but 35 is. (Any oddball speed not exceeding
mandates from higher levels of gubmint is legal for roads that are
not "state roads".)

And, in Philadelphia, the Street administration posted the West
Philadelphia portions of Chestnut and Walnut Sts. at 30 MPH. Before then,
they were unposted city streets, according to PA state law defaulting to
35 MPH maximum speed limit for city streets. West of 38th St, these are
PA Route 3.

Speed uniformity on these two streets decreased, as some "churchy" type
drivers slowed to 30, while traffic light synchronization degraded (with
a mile stretch getting a "traffic light schedule" that favored 45). Back
in the 1980's and 1970's, there was a more consistent traffic light
schedule favoring about 28 MPH. In the early 1970's, the "SIGNALS SET
FOR XX MPH" actually worked - and that was even adjustable from one speed
to another from somewhere in the 20's to somewhere in the 30's, not
exceeding the state government mandate of 35 MPH for city streets.

Speed limits need to be reasonable so as to not require Gostappo to
get people to obey them. And if traffic light synchronization was doable
in the early 1970's, why not now?
--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

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TOPIC: Where's the solidarity of the American Christians with the Mexican
Christians?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/7bcaddcb0cf12f34?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 23 2011 11:15 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"


(Wisdom of the Day: Drugs and bicycling are strongly related... Give
kids the opportunity to be drug free by riding a bike)

Mexico is deeply Christian, and so is America --the most Christian
nation in the civilized world-- which can invade countries, or can
simply give the word to the Mexican government to liberalize drugs and
thus starve the cartels at the source.

Mexicans are dying by truckloads and LIVING IN FEAR. Last night a
Mexican told me it's worse than Iraq. Indeed the level of cruelty
seems to be worse than the terrorists'.

Or are the American Christians willing to live in hypocrisy and ignore
the Mexican brothers before they wake up to reality and do what needs
to be done? Yes, LEGALIZE IT!

Though this video is unrelated to the topic, I'll put it here for its
sentimental value to touch the heart of the Christians...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NNZ4iZkIZA

(I support the Jalapeno Revolution --initiated by me)


-------------------------------------------------------

http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 23 2011 11:32 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)


In <dbbe8d5d-d8d3-4496-8860-f005777d7597@p16g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:

<To the point of what is "the most Christian nation in the world">

>Mexico is deeply Christian, and so is America --the most Christian
>nation in the civilized world--

<SNIP from here to stick to that point>

What about a very small nation whose existence is based on a specific
denomination of Christianity?
And, that Christian denomination is unique in requiring its priests to
not marry and to not "have sex" with any fellow Earthlings? (With
enforcement against "having sex with others" being greater if the
"others" are adults as opposed to children - as I see the news?)
--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

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TOPIC: Liberation of Women should include Exposed Breasts
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 23 2011 9:28 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)


In <432c73f0-d240-48c2-a403-a6974ac6d39c@22g2000prx.googlegroups.com>,
His Highness the TibetanMonkey wrote in part:

<SNIP to what to wear to beat the heat>

>I've found out that the only day to enjoy the hot summer is both to
>RIDE A BIKE and OPEN MY SHIRT which is often a safari vest. Hat --not
>helmet-- is a must.

Look up what the Greek version of an exomis is. Last summer, I made
something similar, and found that to be cooler than anything else,
especially with enough airspeed to get some breeze.

This even made late afternoon commutes by bike fairly easy on a bad hot
Philadelphia summer days, when the heat index was about 105-110 F.

Though people would rather call this thing a toga...

>I feel sorry for those ladies who must wear a top, but they can
>mitigate the heat by wearing a shirt somewhat unbuttoned without bra.
>I mean you can wear a burka and ride a bike but it doesn't sound
>natural.

A few times I asked women what was coolest. They said dresses. Some
said cotton dresses or linen dresses. On that basis, I went for the Greek
style exomis. The summer versions of those were often made of linen.
--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)


== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 23 2011 9:35 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"


On Apr 24, 12:28 am, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
> In <432c73f0-d240-48c2-a403-a6974ac6d...@22g2000prx.googlegroups.com>,
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey wrote in part:
>
> <SNIP to what to wear to beat the heat>
>
> >I've found out that the only day to enjoy the hot summer is both to
> >RIDE A BIKE and OPEN MY SHIRT which is often a safari vest. Hat --not
> >helmet-- is a must.
>
>   Look up what the Greek version of an exomis is.  Last summer, I made
> something similar, and found that to be cooler than anything else,
> especially with enough airspeed to get some breeze.  
>
>   This even made late afternoon commutes by bike fairly easy on a bad hot
> Philadelphia summer days, when the heat index was about 105-110 F.

The hat is a must if the sun is bearing down on you. You sacrifice
safety though.

>
>   Though people would rather call this thing a toga...
>
> >I feel sorry for those ladies who must wear a top, but they can
> >mitigate the heat by wearing a shirt somewhat unbuttoned without bra.
> >I mean you can wear a burka and ride a bike but it doesn't sound
> >natural.
>
>   A few times I asked women what was coolest.  They said dresses.  Some
> said cotton dresses or linen dresses.  On that basis, I went for the Greek
> style exomis.  The summer versions of those were often made of linen.

What's that?

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 23 2011 9:59 pm
From: The Real Bev


On 04/23/11 21:28, Don Klipstein wrote:

> In<432c73f0-d240-48c2-a403-a6974ac6d39c@22g2000prx.googlegroups.com>,
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey wrote in part:
>
> <SNIP to what to wear to beat the heat>
>
>>I've found out that the only day to enjoy the hot summer is both to
>>RIDE A BIKE and OPEN MY SHIRT which is often a safari vest. Hat --not
>>helmet-- is a must.
>
> Look up what the Greek version of an exomis is. Last summer, I made
> something similar, and found that to be cooler than anything else,
> especially with enough airspeed to get some breeze.

I bet the black bike shorts ruined the effect!

> This even made late afternoon commutes by bike fairly easy on a bad hot
> Philadelphia summer days, when the heat index was about 105-110 F.
>
> Though people would rather call this thing a toga...
>
>>I feel sorry for those ladies who must wear a top, but they can
>>mitigate the heat by wearing a shirt somewhat unbuttoned without bra.
>>I mean you can wear a burka and ride a bike but it doesn't sound
>>natural.

I'd worry about it getting caught in the chain. And you'd need a lot of
mirrors. Not practical.

> A few times I asked women what was coolest. They said dresses. Some
> said cotton dresses or linen dresses. On that basis, I went for the Greek
> style exomis. The summer versions of those were often made of linen.

Back in the dark ages when I was in high school hoopskirts with
petticoats were the in thing. The cheap ones were just wire frames and
were kind of miserable to sit in; the expensive ones were made of net
with boning and provided a lot of air circulation.

This was the late 1950s, not 1850s!


--
Cheers,
Bev
66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666
Vampireware; n, a project capable of sucking the lifeblood
out of anyone unfortunate enough to be assigned to it,
which never actually sees the light of day, but nonetheless
refuses to die. -- Trygve Lode


== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 23 2011 10:10 pm
From: Vic Smith


On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 04:28:39 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) wrote:

>In <432c73f0-d240-48c2-a403-a6974ac6d39c@22g2000prx.googlegroups.com>,
>His Highness the TibetanMonkey wrote in part:
>
><SNIP to what to wear to beat the heat>
>
>>I've found out that the only day to enjoy the hot summer is both to
>>RIDE A BIKE and OPEN MY SHIRT which is often a safari vest. Hat --not
>>helmet-- is a must.
>
> Look up what the Greek version of an exomis is. Last summer, I made
>something similar, and found that to be cooler than anything else,
>especially with enough airspeed to get some breeze.
>
> This even made late afternoon commutes by bike fairly easy on a bad hot
>Philadelphia summer days, when the heat index was about 105-110 F.
>
> Though people would rather call this thing a toga...
>
>>I feel sorry for those ladies who must wear a top, but they can
>>mitigate the heat by wearing a shirt somewhat unbuttoned without bra.
>>I mean you can wear a burka and ride a bike but it doesn't sound
>>natural.
>
> A few times I asked women what was coolest. They said dresses. Some
>said cotton dresses or linen dresses. On that basis, I went for the Greek
>style exomis. The summer versions of those were often made of linen.

Reminds me of a "joke" I read many years ago. Probably in a Reader's
Digest, which my ma subscribed to.
A priest in cassock and collar and a businessman in suit and tie find
themselves one morning sitting across from each other in a train
compartment.
It's not air conditioned and soon becomes stifling hot as the sun goes
higher.
The businessman stands up, removes his suit coat and tie, then sits
again. He smiles at the priest and says,
"Sorry you can't do that, father."
The priest gets up, and says "Excuse me, I must use the lavatory."
He returns shortly, with his pants folded over an arm, and sits again.
He smiles at the businessman and says, "Sorry you can't do that, son."

--Vic


== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 23 2011 10:15 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"


On Apr 24, 12:59 am, The Real Bev <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 04/23/11 21:28, Don Klipstein wrote:
>
> > In<432c73f0-d240-48c2-a403-a6974ac6d...@22g2000prx.googlegroups.com>,
> > His Highness the TibetanMonkey wrote in part:
>
> > <SNIP to what to wear to beat the heat>
>
> >>I've found out that the only day to enjoy the hot summer is both to
> >>RIDE A BIKE and OPEN MY SHIRT which is often a safari vest. Hat --not
> >>helmet-- is a must.
>
> >    Look up what the Greek version of an exomis is.  Last summer, I made
> > something similar, and found that to be cooler than anything else,
> > especially with enough airspeed to get some breeze.
>
> I bet the black bike shorts ruined the effect!

They do. Best is shorter pants just below the knee. You don't want
your legs sunburned.

>
> >    This even made late afternoon commutes by bike fairly easy on a bad hot
> > Philadelphia summer days, when the heat index was about 105-110 F.
>
> >    Though people would rather call this thing a toga...
>
> >>I feel sorry for those ladies who must wear a top, but they can
> >>mitigate the heat by wearing a shirt somewhat unbuttoned without bra.
> >>I mean you can wear a burka and ride a bike but it doesn't sound
> >>natural.
>
> I'd worry about it getting caught in the chain.  And you'd need a lot of
> mirrors.  Not practical.

The Japanese use umbrellas on their bikes. I prefer ponchos though at
times can get blown and blind you.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 23 2011 11:55 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)


In <4ab7e065-559a-4ab8-a0ac-b83d1e1cb5d8@f11g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>,
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:

>On Apr 24, 12:28 am, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
>> In <432c73f0-d240-48c2-a403-a6974ac6d...@22g2000prx.googlegroups.com>,
>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey wrote in part:
>>
>> <SNIP to what to wear to beat the heat>
>>
>> >I've found out that the only day to enjoy the hot summer is both to
>> >RIDE A BIKE and OPEN MY SHIRT which is often a safari vest. Hat --not
>> >helmet-- is a must.
>>
>> Look up what the Greek version of an exomis is.  Last summer, I made
>> something similar, and found that to be cooler than anything else,
>> especially with enough airspeed to get some breeze.  
>>
>> This even made late afternoon commutes by bike fairly easy on a bad
>> hot Philadelphia summer days, when the heat index was about 105-110 F.
>
>The hat is a must if the sun is bearing down on you. You sacrifice
>safety though.

Instead, I wore my helmet. I found that a Greek style exomis cools my
body better than a bathing suit, or even my coolest shirt and my coolest
shorts.

>> Though people would rather call this thing a toga...
>>
>> >I feel sorry for those ladies who must wear a top, but they can
>> >mitigate the heat by wearing a shirt somewhat unbuttoned without bra.
>> >I mean you can wear a burka and ride a bike but it doesn't sound
>> >natural.
>>
>> A few times I asked women what was coolest. They said dresses.
>> Some said cotton dresses or linen dresses. On that basis, I went for
>> the Greek style exomis. The summer versions of those were often made
>> of linen.
>
>What's that?

Are you asking what linen is, or what an exomis is? I know Wikipedia
has an article on "exomis". I would think Wiki has an article on linen.

The word "exomis" is a Greek one. It means, "shoulder out".

I think of an exomis as a single-strap sleeveless dress, made primarily
for men. The Greek version appears to me "manly". There is a Roman
version that appears to me to be "less manly", more like what modern
people would consider to be a dress, better worn by men if they have
prominent facial hair and prominent muscles more-so than even athletic
women have.

Actually, the classic Greek version does not have the fabric over one
shoulder being in form of a strap. I would say, do a web search (such
as with Google or alternatives) and see what a Greek exomis is.
--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)


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