Frugal Living: Nov 3, 2007

Saturday, November 3, 2007

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TOPIC: Energizer Rechargable "D" Battery Exposed
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 4:28 pm
From: Jeff

George wrote:

> Logan Shaw wrote:
>
>> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>>
>>> A NewsTarget photo investigation reveals that Energizer "D"
>>> Rechargeable batteries are no more powerful than common "AA"
>>> rechargeable batteries. In fact, an off-the-shelf Energizer "D"
>>> rechargeable battery is actually made of a much smaller AA-capacity
>>> battery wrapped in a cheap plastic cylinder with air gaps, designed
>>> to make it appear physically like a "D" battery while only delivering
>>> the performance of an "AA" battery (2500 mAh).
>>
>>
>> I don't see anything wrong with that. It'd designed to appear physically
>> like a "D" battery because it needs to physically *be* a "D" battery.
>> Some devices exist which require "D" batteries, and you can't put an "A"
>> battery in those devices because it will fall out of place.
>>
>> Also, I don't get how they're being deceptively marketed. If you go
>> to their web site here:
>>
>>

http://www.energizer.com/products/rechargeables/sizes.aspx
>>
>> then you'll see that it says quite prominently what the mAh ratings
>> are for the various sizes of batteries. It even has a paragraph
>> explaining what a mAh rating means in case you don't already know.
>>
>> - Logan
>
>
> They certainly give the mAh rating of their batteries but I doubt the
> average person would know that their Mickey Mouse "D cell size
> replacement" only has 12% of the energy of an alkaline D cell which is
> nominally 20,500 mAh.

What do you take the Ahrs of a AA alkaline?

Jeff

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 8:21 pm
From:

In article <IZ0Xi.844$sN.478@trndny02>, derjda@hotmail.com says...
> A NewsTarget photo investigation reveals that Energizer "D" Rechargeable
> batteries are no more powerful than common "AA" rechargeable batteries. In
> fact, an off-the-shelf Energizer "D" rechargeable battery is actually made
> of a much smaller AA-capacity battery wrapped in a cheap plastic cylinder
> with air gaps, designed to make it appear physically like a "D" battery
> while only delivering the performance of an "AA" battery (2500 mAh).

This has been true of many D-size rechargeable batteries for decades.
It was true of GE-branded NiCads back in the 1970s, for example.

Ray-O-Vac D-cells are 2200 mAh NiMH, actually lower capacity than many
AA NiMH cells.

GP D-cells are, if I remember correctly, a C-cell with spacers, 4500
mAh.

There are a few brands of 1 Ah NiMH D-cells available from electronics
suppliers, but they're the exception rather than the rule in consumer-
oriented rechargeable Ds. Indeed, some places don't even bother
sticking a battery in the spacer, you can buy D-cell jackets for your AA
cells so you don't need a second charger for bigger batteries.

--
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== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 9:20 pm
From: Logan Shaw

Anthony Matonak wrote:
> Bert Hyman wrote:
>> In news:472cbf35$0$15369$4c368faf@roadrunner.com Logan Shaw wrote:
>>> Also, I don't get how they're being deceptively marketed. If you go
>>> to their web site here:
>>>

http://www.energizer.com/products/rechargeables/sizes.aspx
>>> then you'll see that it says quite prominently what the mAh ratings
>>> are for the various sizes of batteries.
>>
>> If that info is also "quite prominently" listed on the retail package,
>> then you're right.
>
> It's displayed on the packaging but it won't mean anything to you
> unless you know what what mAh means and the capacity of comparable
> batteries.

Well, if you don't, you don't really have any basis on which to make
choice between batteries. It would be sort of like buying a car (to
use the analogy in the original article) and not knowing what "horsepower"
means. Of course, a car is a bigger decision worthy of investing more
effort, but if you put too little effort into your purchasing decisions,
you're going to get bad results.

For what it's worth, I went browsing for info about "D" NiMH batteries
and going prices on them over at amazon.com, and I found that the
aforementioned 2500 mAh Energizer ones were going for $10.12. Several
other companies also sold "D" batteries of similar capacity for similar
prices. MAHA PowerEx had some with a much higher rating of 11000 mAh,
but the price on those was $35.95. The capacity is over 4 times as
high, but the price is about 3.5 times as high as well.

I think what's really going on here is that a lot of devices are built
with "D" batteries in mind, but making a NiMH "D" cell in the obvious
way is expensive and in many cases unnecessary. So manufacturers are
doing both, and offering the cheaper ones as an alternative that is
still compatible with the gear that requires batteries of that size but
doesn't cost $35 for two batteries. This is violating the assumption
that a lot of people have that a "D" battery is supposed to be able to
store more energy than a "AA" battery. But that's just an assumption.
The only real rule is that a battery should work in the equipment it
needs to power and provide the amount of energy that the user needs.
Well, and that manufacturers shouldn't be deceptive, but I don't think
they're being deceptive in this case.

- Logan

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 9:23 pm
From: Logan Shaw

Bert Hyman wrote:
> In news:472cbf35$0$15369$4c368faf@roadrunner.com Logan Shaw
> <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Also, I don't get how they're being deceptively marketed. If you go
>> to their web site here:
>>
>>

It's pretty easy to spot in this version of the retail packaging:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Nv85Umu3L._AA240_.jpg

- Logan

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 12:02 am
From: larry

We're still using six GE GC3 1.2AH D Nicads (black jacket)
in our 2 cell flashlights. Still have the "12/83" paper
labels I marked them with when first put in service!
Recharge them about once a month in the original 16hr GE
"wall wart" charger, which I attribute to why they lasted
this long. And these are the smaller C cell in a D case.

Did change the flashlight bulbs to kryptons, but these
nicads still will outlast a set of carbon/zincs. Originally
bought 12 cells, but the other six died from nichrome
"wisker" shorts within five years. The nicads don't self
discharge in a month like the newer NiMHs do. Important for
the flashlights in the vehicles.

I don't think it makes much sense to use high AH cells in a
flashlight. These match the load and have saved a lot of
carbon/zincs over the years. I CAN see using high AH in
digital cameras, ours can't make it thru 2 hours with
2600mAH NiMH AA's ;-)

With the new high power/fast smart chargers and batteries,
we're lucky to get three years use out of the new storage
technology. Be it alarm system, ups, cellphone, or laptop.

-larry / dallas

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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 4:40 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

zaman_2756@yahoo.com wrote:
> On 3 Nov, 21:39, barbie gee <barbie....@NOSESPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 3 Nov 2007, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> I can't belive so many people have been kind hearted enough to give
>>> me free advice. I particularly liked the tip of going to rich
>>> people in my area and asking them advice on making money!
>>> That gave me the thought,if I was good looking enough,wqorking as a
>>> male escort would be a nice,pleasurable way of making money.
>>> My problem is not that I'm work shy or lazy,but that my
>>> psychaiatrist is uttelry incompetent. I mean,once he starts a a
>>> given anti- depressant,he refuses to change to another one,even if
>>> it's not working. Most guidelines on the net say that a given
>>> antidepressant should be given 6 weeks to assess whether or not
>>> it's working,and then changed to a different one. However my doctor
>>> refuses to change to a different antidepressant no matter what.
>>> This man must be responsible for hundreds of poor people leading
>>> miserable lifes. But I am worried or reporting him to the NHS,
>>> because he's such a smooth talker,and so intelligent that I'm sure
>>> he'd talk himself out of any investigation by NHS auditors.
>>> Since, he's the only psychiatrist in my area of birmingham,England,
>>> I am resgined to my fate.
>>
>> Not sure how the NHS system works, but could you just have general
>> practitioner or internist prescribe you mood meds? Must it be a
>> psychiatrist? Or are you also engaged in heavy "talk therapy" with
>> him as well?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> No,here in the Uk, once you're referred to a psychiatrist,only he can
> prescribe pills. But I do recall scomeone telling me that your GP can
> change you to a different set of antidepressant pills. However,I
> haven't checked if my GP is willing to overide my Psychiatrists
> prescription.
> If only the blood donation service gave you financial rewards for
> donating blood! Also, i remeber reading somewhere that in bygone days
> people who were ill would often state they felt better after having
> blood removed.

That was just the placebo effect.

Plenty claimed to feel better after taking snake oil and homeopathic
'remedys' which cant possibly have had any active ingredients too.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 4:51 pm
From: zaman_2756@yahoo.com

On 3 Nov, 23:40, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On 3 Nov, 21:39, barbie gee <barbie....@NOSESPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 3 Nov 2007, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>> I can't belive so many people have been kind hearted enough to give
> >>> me free advice. I particularly liked the tip of going to rich
> >>> people in my area and asking them advice on making money!
> >>> That gave me the thought,if I was good looking enough,wqorking as a
> >>> male escort would be a nice,pleasurable way of making money.
> >>> My problem is not that I'm work shy or lazy,but that my
> >>> psychaiatrist is uttelry incompetent. I mean,once he starts a a
> >>> given anti- depressant,he refuses to change to another one,even if
> >>> it's not working. Most guidelines on the net say that a given
> >>> antidepressant should be given 6 weeks to assess whether or not
> >>> it's working,and then changed to a different one. However my doctor
> >>> refuses to change to a different antidepressant no matter what.
> >>> This man must be responsible for hundreds of poor people leading
> >>> miserable lifes. But I am worried or reporting him to the NHS,
> >>> because he's such a smooth talker,and so intelligent that I'm sure
> >>> he'd talk himself out of any investigation by NHS auditors.
> >>> Since, he's the only psychiatrist in my area of birmingham,England,
> >>> I am resgined to my fate.
>
> >> Not sure how the NHS system works, but could you just have general
> >> practitioner or internist prescribe you mood meds? Must it be a
> >> psychiatrist? Or are you also engaged in heavy "talk therapy" with
> >> him as well?- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > No,here in the Uk, once you're referred to a psychiatrist,only he can
> > prescribe pills. But I do recall scomeone telling me that your GP can
> > change you to a different set of antidepressant pills. However,I
> > haven't checked if my GP is willing to overide my Psychiatrists
> > prescription.
> > If only the blood donation service gave you financial rewards for
> > donating blood! Also, i remeber reading somewhere that in bygone days
> > people who were ill would often state they felt better after having
> > blood removed.
>
> That was just the placebo effect.
>
> Plenty claimed to feel better after taking snake oil and homeopathic
> 'remedys' which cant possibly have had any active ingredients too.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yes, it could have been the placebo effect, since I read in a science
mag a few weeks ago that the placebo effect was very powerful,and that
the placebo effect lighted up the brain when an MRI scan was done
after ppl were given dummy sugar placebo pills.
Back to the topic of making quick money, I just had the idea of going
to one of those sperm donation places. But for a number of reasons I'm
reluctant to do so. Firstly I am in need of money badly right now, but
the idea of that meaning me fathering a child just to get a few money
notes,is not really viable. Why should a child be bought into the
world,just so that I can pay off my debts?
Also, in the future there might be retrospective legislation making it
possible for children conceived via sperm donation to track down their
fathers,and even get financial support from them. This also puts me
off becoming a sperm donator.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 5:00 pm
From: Charles

On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 10:40:03 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>zaman_2756@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On 3 Nov, 21:39, barbie gee <barbie....@NOSESPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 3 Nov 2007, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> I can't belive so many people have been kind hearted enough to give
>>>> me free advice. I particularly liked the tip of going to rich
>>>> people in my area and asking them advice on making money!
>>>> That gave me the thought,if I was good looking enough,wqorking as a
>>>> male escort would be a nice,pleasurable way of making money.
>>>> My problem is not that I'm work shy or lazy,but that my
>>>> psychaiatrist is uttelry incompetent. I mean,once he starts a a
>>>> given anti- depressant,he refuses to change to another one,even if
>>>> it's not working. Most guidelines on the net say that a given
>>>> antidepressant should be given 6 weeks to assess whether or not
>>>> it's working,and then changed to a different one. However my doctor
>>>> refuses to change to a different antidepressant no matter what.
>>>> This man must be responsible for hundreds of poor people leading
>>>> miserable lifes. But I am worried or reporting him to the NHS,
>>>> because he's such a smooth talker,and so intelligent that I'm sure
>>>> he'd talk himself out of any investigation by NHS auditors.
>>>> Since, he's the only psychiatrist in my area of birmingham,England,
>>>> I am resgined to my fate.
>>>
>>> Not sure how the NHS system works, but could you just have general
>>> practitioner or internist prescribe you mood meds? Must it be a
>>> psychiatrist? Or are you also engaged in heavy "talk therapy" with
>>> him as well?- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> No,here in the Uk, once you're referred to a psychiatrist,only he can
>> prescribe pills. But I do recall scomeone telling me that your GP can
>> change you to a different set of antidepressant pills. However,I
>> haven't checked if my GP is willing to overide my Psychiatrists
>> prescription.
>> If only the blood donation service gave you financial rewards for
>> donating blood! Also, i remeber reading somewhere that in bygone days
>> people who were ill would often state they felt better after having
>> blood removed.
>
>That was just the placebo effect.
>
>Plenty claimed to feel better after taking snake oil and homeopathic
>'remedys' which cant possibly have had any active ingredients too.
>

Unless the person has polycythemia.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000589.htm#Treatment

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 5:23 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

zaman_2756@yahoo.com wrote:
> On 3 Nov, 23:40, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On 3 Nov, 21:39, barbie gee <barbie....@NOSESPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 3 Nov 2007, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>> I can't belive so many people have been kind hearted enough to
>>>>> give me free advice. I particularly liked the tip of going to rich
>>>>> people in my area and asking them advice on making money!
>>>>> That gave me the thought,if I was good looking enough,wqorking as
>>>>> a male escort would be a nice,pleasurable way of making money.
>>>>> My problem is not that I'm work shy or lazy,but that my
>>>>> psychaiatrist is uttelry incompetent. I mean,once he starts a a
>>>>> given anti- depressant,he refuses to change to another one,even if
>>>>> it's not working. Most guidelines on the net say that a given
>>>>> antidepressant should be given 6 weeks to assess whether or not
>>>>> it's working,and then changed to a different one. However my
>>>>> doctor refuses to change to a different antidepressant no matter
>>>>> what. This man must be responsible for hundreds of poor people
>>>>> leading miserable lifes. But I am worried or reporting him to the
>>>>> NHS, because he's such a smooth talker,and so intelligent that
>>>>> I'm sure he'd talk himself out of any investigation by NHS
>>>>> auditors.
>>>>> Since, he's the only psychiatrist in my area of
>>>>> birmingham,England, I am resgined to my fate.
>>
>>>> Not sure how the NHS system works, but could you just have general
>>>> practitioner or internist prescribe you mood meds? Must it be a
>>>> psychiatrist? Or are you also engaged in heavy "talk therapy" with
>>>> him as well?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>> No,here in the Uk, once you're referred to a psychiatrist,only he
>>> can prescribe pills. But I do recall scomeone telling me that your
>>> GP can change you to a different set of antidepressant pills.
>>> However,I haven't checked if my GP is willing to overide my
>>> Psychiatrists prescription.
>>> If only the blood donation service gave you financial rewards for
>>> donating blood! Also, i remeber reading somewhere that in bygone
>>> days people who were ill would often state they felt better after
>>> having blood removed.
>>
>> That was just the placebo effect.
>>
>> Plenty claimed to feel better after taking snake oil and homeopathic
>> 'remedys' which cant possibly have had any active ingredients too.-

> Yes, it could have been the placebo effect, since I read in a science
> mag a few weeks ago that the placebo effect was very powerful,
> and that the placebo effect lighted up the brain when an MRI scan
> was done after ppl were given dummy sugar placebo pills.

> Back to the topic of making quick money, I just had the idea of going
> to one of those sperm donation places. But for a number of reasons
> I'm reluctant to do so. Firstly I am in need of money badly right now,
> but the idea of that meaning me fathering a child just to get a few
> money notes,is not really viable. Why should a child be bought
> into the world,just so that I can pay off my debts?

And when your problem could well have a genetic component too.

> Also, in the future there might be retrospective legislation
> making it possible for children conceived via sperm donation
> to track down their fathers,and even get financial support
> from them. This also puts me off becoming a sperm donator.

Prostitution has always been one quick money route some have chosen to go.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 5:25 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Charles <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 10:40:03 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> zaman_2756@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On 3 Nov, 21:39, barbie gee <barbie....@NOSESPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 3 Nov 2007, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>> I can't belive so many people have been kind hearted enough to
>>>>> give me free advice. I particularly liked the tip of going to rich
>>>>> people in my area and asking them advice on making money!
>>>>> That gave me the thought,if I was good looking enough,wqorking as
>>>>> a male escort would be a nice,pleasurable way of making money.
>>>>> My problem is not that I'm work shy or lazy,but that my
>>>>> psychaiatrist is uttelry incompetent. I mean,once he starts a a
>>>>> given anti- depressant,he refuses to change to another one,even if
>>>>> it's not working. Most guidelines on the net say that a given
>>>>> antidepressant should be given 6 weeks to assess whether or not
>>>>> it's working,and then changed to a different one. However my
>>>>> doctor refuses to change to a different antidepressant no matter
>>>>> what. This man must be responsible for hundreds of poor people
>>>>> leading miserable lifes. But I am worried or reporting him to the
>>>>> NHS, because he's such a smooth talker,and so intelligent that
>>>>> I'm sure he'd talk himself out of any investigation by NHS
>>>>> auditors.
>>>>> Since, he's the only psychiatrist in my area of
>>>>> birmingham,England, I am resgined to my fate.
>>>>
>>>> Not sure how the NHS system works, but could you just have general
>>>> practitioner or internist prescribe you mood meds? Must it be a
>>>> psychiatrist? Or are you also engaged in heavy "talk therapy" with
>>>> him as well?- Hide quoted text -
>>>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>> No,here in the Uk, once you're referred to a psychiatrist,only he
>>> can prescribe pills. But I do recall scomeone telling me that your
>>> GP can change you to a different set of antidepressant pills.
>>> However,I haven't checked if my GP is willing to overide my
>>> Psychiatrists prescription.
>>> If only the blood donation service gave you financial rewards for
>>> donating blood! Also, i remeber reading somewhere that in bygone
>>> days people who were ill would often state they felt better after
>>> having blood removed.
>>
>> That was just the placebo effect.
>>
>> Plenty claimed to feel better after taking snake oil and homeopathic
>> 'remedys' which cant possibly have had any active ingredients too.

> Unless the person has polycythemia.

> http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000589.htm#Treatment

That wouldnt necessarily make them feel better after the donation.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 5:26 pm
From: "%"

LETS DO THE CROSSPOST AGAIN

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 6:56 pm
From: PaPaPeng

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 16:51:41 -0700, zaman_2756@yahoo.com wrote:

>Back to the topic of making quick money,

I had the telly on and somehow this topic came up. House Sitter.
People who go on extended holidays need someone to do simple chores in
their empty house - such as watering the house plants, feed the pets,
walk the dogs, clear the mailbox, mow the lawn or clear the snow,
phone forwarding, have someone to phone to to ask about the empty
house, etc. I don't know what the pay rate is though. I am very
lucky to have a friendly and helpful neighbor who waters my house
plants, no pets, clear the mail and clear the snow (gas snow thrower).

On your shrink's pill prescription one of the characteristics of CFS
is that all medications, except antibiotics, are ineffective. The
first dose works. The body quickly adapts and the rest of the
prescription is as good as useless. My personal doc, and he is a good
friend, doesn't believe there is even such a thing as CFS in the first
place. Your shrink is probably one of those. If he can't figure out
what makes you sick you are not sick.

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Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 6:36 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <13iq0h8epmuc446@corp.supernews.com>,
Jeff <dont_bug_me@all.uk> wrote:
> I'll need to recover some files off a hard disk that has lost or
>corrupted it's directory. (win 2000, NTFS I think. Chkdsk won't run.)

> Any recommendations for a frugal but good data recovery program? The
>mass of commercial programs out there is a bit much for me to sort through.

There are some tools on the Ultimate Boot CD that may be of use to you;
I was able to recover a system which lost its' MBR, thanks to it.

http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/download.html

A good set of tools.

> This may not be strictly on topic here, but this is a very diverse
>and intelligent group and I don't think this will be the days worst topic!

Hope you can recover your system.

Gary

--
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http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

Yoko Onos' former driver tried to extort $2M from her, threating to
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--
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 8:42 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In <1193732804.121350.241740@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
aesthete8@hotmail.com wrote:

>What about those of us who get eyestrain headaches from flourescent
>lights?

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- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 8:44 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In <Xns99D9105F95A47TBAnoonecarescom@85.214.62.108>, Greggie Gibson wrote:
>"aesthete8@hotmail.com" <aesthete8@hotmail.com> wrote in
>news:1193732804.121350.241740@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>
>> What about those of us who get eyestrain headaches from flourescent
>> lights?
>
>Get a better CFL or better yet get an LED light which is even more
>efficient.

Sorry, most LED lights on the market now are less efficient than
the vast majority of CFLs. Most white LED lights also have an icy
cool color. Many also flicker worse than most CFLs.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 8:47 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <13iesceksfv5j78@corp.supernews.com>, Jeff wrote:
>John Weiss wrote:
>> <aesthete8@hotmail.com> wrote...
>>
>>>What about those of us who get eyestrain headaches from flourescent
>>>lights?
>>
>>
>> For some uses, you can now buy LED lights, which are as efficient (or
>> better) as CFLs.
>
>Really? Last I checked, which wasn't long ago, was that the best
>commercially available LEDs were somewhat less efficient.

There are now a few LEDs on the market that are a little more efficient
then CFLs. I have yet to see an LED light on store shelves (not even
a flashlight or a bicycle light) that has such efficient LEDs.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 8:54 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <slrnfiqg1l.8tm.don@manx.misty.com>, Don Klipstein wrote:

> Sorry, most LED lights on the market now are less efficient than
>the vast majority of CFLs. Most white LED lights also have an icy
>cool color. Many also flicker worse than most CFLs.

> - Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

Just to clarify, I was talking about 120V screw-base lights.

I am aware of a few higher end LED flashlights and a couple LED work
lights with LEDs that have fluorescent-like efficiency. None of these has
been around long. I am an LED nut and I first got my hands on LEDs with
fluorescent-like efficiency in April 2006. One of these has
warmer-than-usual-white-LED color, but is still "cool white".

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 9:58 pm
From: The Real Bev

Jon v Leipzig wrote:

> The Real Bev wrote:
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>> It makes more sense to just ignore the spam. It isnt hard to work out
>>> what is spam.
>>
>> Of course not, but if you've skipped your usenet obligations for a few
>> weeks, the sheer quantity is annoying.
>
> Your own fault. Who authorized your three week absence, anyway...???

I'm sorry, I forgot to get your permission. Next time I'll be sure to check
with you at least a month in advance.

> Hey, we finally got a Trader Joe's here, intown, even!! It should be
> quieted down by now, I missed the Grand opening.
>
> Never been to one...got any suggestions,..,,what to buy or to avoid...??

Buy anything that appeals to you. Don't buy anything that doesn't look
good. That about covers it.

Long ago I bought some Brie that had a strong ammonia smell/taste. They
cheerfully refunded my money. Recently I tried a sample of their 'Mojito'
(non-alcoholic) stuff -- the first TJ thing I've ever found to be absolutely
revolting.

Their ordinary corn tortillas are the best machine-made tortillas I've ever
eaten except for the ones we bought still hot from a place in Mexico. The
hand-made ones are bigger, but not all that different. Their plain
cheesecake is excellent. Cut it into serving-size pieces and freeze it in
the box it came in.

Wine people say that their "Two buck Chuck" is drinkable. I've never tasted
wine better than plain old Welch's grape juice, so I'll have to take their
word for it. Lots of other wine if that's your thing. Good cheese. Good
chicken+cranberry+pecan salad like the stuff that Costco sells, but in
smaller quantities.

There are only three places I actually like to shop: Costco, TJ's and the
99-Cents-Only Store, not necessarily in that order. And the ethnic produce
stores too. FIVE places I like to shop...

--
Cheers, Bev
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Snowmen fall from Heaven unassembled.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 9:59 pm
From: timeOday

Here it is, only the first few days of November, and I can't go into a
store without be bombarded by Christmas advertising. I like Christmas,
but it's hard not to get sick of it before Dec 25th with marketing gone
amok. I wish there would be a consumer backlash to force Christmas back
until after Thanksgiving. But I guess spoiling Christmas for the
majority doesn't matter to advertisers so long as it gets a few people
to shop.

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== 1 of 1 ==
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 8:36 am
From: fashion-sky.001@hotmail.com

Dear my friend
It is our pleasure to meet you here.
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our website: http://www.fashion-sky.com
We are professional and honest wholesaler of all kinds of brand
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our company supply are as follows:
1).Nike Jordans
Jordan 1 jordan 1.5 jordan 2 jordan 3 jordan 3.5 jordan 4 jordan 5
jordan 5.5 jordan 6 jordan 6.5 jordan 7 jordan 8 jordan 9 jordan 9.5
jordan 10 jordan 11 jordan 12 jordan 13 jordan 13.5 jordan 14 jordan
15 jordan 16 jordan 17 jordan 18 jordan 18.5 jordan 19 jordan 20
jordan 21 jordan 21.5 jordan 22 jordan King jordan Dub Zero Jordan 23
Jordan 7.5
2).Air Force One Air Force one (low) Air Force one (High) Air Force
one (Mid) Air Force one (clear) Air Force One 25 year
3).SHOX Shox R3 Shox R4 Shox R5 Shox TL1 Shox TL2 Shox TL3 Shox NZ
Shox OZ Shox Turbo Show GO Shox CL Shox Coqnescenti Shox Energia Shox
Explodine Shox Monster Shox Rhythmic Shox Warrior
4).Bape Shoes Bape Bape (transparent)
5).Air max AirMax 90 AirMax 95 AirMax 97 AirMax 2003 AirMax 2004
AirMax 2005 Air Max 2006 AirMax 180 AirMax LTD AirMax TN AirMax solas
AirMax 87 AirMax Rift
6).Puma Puma Rpt2 Puma SK6 Puma Jayfi Puma Cir Puma Speed Puma Repli
Puma Future Cat Puma Mostro Puma Lifestyle
7).Dunk SB Dunk High Dunk Low
8).Timberland Timberland High Timberland Low
9).Adidas Adidas 35 Adicolor Country city sense Adidas NBA
11).Prada & Gucci Prada Gucci
12).Footballer Shoes Footballer
13).Locaste
14).converse & Reebok converse Reebok
15).D&G shoes
16).Dsquared2 shoes
17).James shoes
18).Nike King
9).Children shoes Jordan Shox
20).Women shoes Women Jordans Women Shox R3 Women Shox R4 Women AirMax
95&97 Women AirMax 03&06 Women Dunk Women Shox NZ Women AF1
21).sandal & baboosh Nike Puma Gucci Prada
CLOTHES 1).Bape 2).ED Hardy 3).BBC 4).CLH 5).LRG 6).Artful Dodger
Hoodies 7).GINO GREEN GLOBAL 8).10 Deep 9).A&F Coat 11).Jersey NBA
Jersey Football Jersey 12).Juicy Bikini 13).Adidas Coat 14).F1 Coat
15).D&G Coat 16).Superman Coat 17).NBA Coat
JEAN 1).E&D Jeans 2).BBC Jeans 3).BAPE Jeans 4).D&G Jeans 5).EVSIU
Jeans 6).Red monkey 7).COOGI Jeans
T-shirt 1).POLO 2007 polo(women) 2007 POLO IIII(Men) POLO (stripe)
polo (small )
2).Lacoste Lacoste (LONG) Lacoste (SHORT) 3).Name Brand shirt D&G
Shirt Giorgio Armani TN Shirt 4).BBC T-shirt 5).LRG & gina green
glalal 6).Triumvir 7).ED handy 8).Evsiu 9).R.M.B 10).CLOT
Burse & Handbag 1).LV Bag 2).Gucci Bag 3).Dior Bag 4).Chanel Bag
5).Fendi Bag 6).Coach Bag 7).Burberrys Bag 8).Prada Bag 9).Man Leisure
Bag 11).D&G bag 12).nike bag 13).Wallet 14).Suitcase
Electronics 1).Vertu Mobile 2).New iphone Mobile 3).Nokia Mobile
4).moto Mobile 5).PSP Game & memory card 6).Sony Mobile 7).Samsung
Mobile 8).Ipod nano 9).Sony PS3 10).Laptops IBM laptops DELL laptops
Sony laptops ASUS laptops
CAP 1).ED Hardy Cap 2).New Bape & NY Cap 3).RMC Cap 4).New era NBA
5).F1 6).Chanel 7).D&G 8).gucci 9).LV 10).Prada 11).PUMA 12).wool
WATCH 1).Rolex 2).Omega 3).Cartier 4).Chanel 5).Piaget 6).Breitling
7).Bvlgari 8).Corum
Sunglasses 1).Gucci Sunglasses 2).D&G Sunglasses 3).Dior Sunglasses
4).LV Sunglasses 5).Chanel Sunglasses 6).Prada Sunglasses 7).Versace
Sunglasses 8).Giorgio Armani
Strap 1).Bape Strap 2).D&G Strap 3).Gucci Strap 4).LV Strap 5).Scarf
Other 1).Lighter

size chart
Men Size:
US: 7 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 13 14 15
UK: 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 12 13 14
EUR: 40 41 42 42.5 43 44 44.5 45 45.5 46 47.5 48 49
Women Size:
US: 5 5.5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5
UK: 2.5 3 3.5 4 4.5 5 5.5 6
EUR: 35.5 36 36.5 37.5 38 38.5 39 40

Kid's
US: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5 13 13.5
UK: 13 1 2 3 4 5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5
EUR:17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 24.5 25 25.5 26 26.5 27 27.5 28 29 30 30.5
31

Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

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other products which be not showed out in our site. if you have the
photos of the products you need , we are pleasure to supply for your
orders.
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after we get your payment.
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size you need , also include kid's.
5.our credit. If the products can be not delivered to your address as
our reason, we will refund the money you paid.
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you.
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to
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Fashion Footwear Industrial Co.,Ltd.(Fujian,CHINA)

== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 8:49 am
From: "cat"

"PaPaPeng" <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> Your severe depression is a consequence of the lack of restful sleep.
> You can sleep many hours, more than is good for you. Yet you will
> wake up feeling very tired, have a headache and quite incapable of
> doing doing even the simplest household chore like making a meal.
> Been there.

Hate to break it to you, but not all depression is related to CFS. Gee, if
only the entire psychiatric community could talk to you, they'd cure
depression worldwide.

> And
> I haven't given you spurious medical advice.

Hah.

== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 9:42 am
From: "Don K"

<zaman_2756@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1194041419.873824.7490@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> Due to severe depression I am unable to work,And the benefits I'm
> on,such as income support don't cover my bills,hence I have fallen
> into debt. Does anyone know of any easy ways of making extra money?
> I'm thinking along the lines of medical trials,which can earn you upto
> 500 pounds,just for sitting around playing pool and surfing the net.
> The only problem is that these trials use pharmaceutical drugs which
> can cause permanent damage to your body,hence I have ruled them out.
> I have considered becoming a 'mystery shopper', but due to my
> depression I don't really have the energy to visit shops.
> So, can anyone do me a favour and think of a relatively easy way of
> making money? (by the way I'm in Birmingham,England).
>

Since you're depressed you probably have a hard time doing anything.

So the easiest way to make "extra" money is to do even less.

Do less by cutting back on your lifestyle until you are living within
your means. That is the surest way to get "extra" money. You don't
have to compete for the job and no one can fire you.

Once your lifestyle stabilizes and matches your income, you will find
yourself less stressed. Then you can have something to look forward
to by considering what else you can do to improve your life without
being under pressure to pay your bills.

Don

== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 11:25 am
From: Logan Shaw

zaman_2756@yahoo.com wrote:
> Due to severe depression I am unable to work,And the benefits I'm
> on,such as income support don't cover my bills,hence I have fallen
> into debt. Does anyone know of any easy ways of making extra money?
> I'm thinking along the lines of medical trials,which can earn you upto
> 500 pounds,just for sitting around playing pool and surfing the net.
> The only problem is that these trials use pharmaceutical drugs which
> can cause permanent damage to your body,hence I have ruled them out.

Unless these things work differently in the UK than they do in the US,
you've ruled them out before learning enough about them.

In the US, medical trials do sometimes involve testing an experimental
drug, but there are also other types. For example, there are trials
where they test the effectiveness or dosage of an existing (and known
to be safe) drug for a new purpose. As a college student, I needed to
have my wisdom teeth removed and learned about a study where they would
remove the teeth (that I needed removed anyway) and test the
effectiveness of a certain dosage of a pain medication. It was a drug
that had already got government approval; they just wanted to do
research to know what dosage to recommend for wisdom tooth extraction.

Having said that, I doubt if medical studies are going to be a reliable,
steady income source. They might help you knock out some of the debt,
but they aren't a long-term or even a medium-term solution. There just
aren't going to be that many of them that you qualify for and that are
low-risk.

> I have considered becoming a 'mystery shopper', but due to my
> depression I don't really have the energy to visit shops.

It doesn't seem like a great way to make a lot of money. But anything
you do is going to require you to exert some energy, and probably get
out of the house, sometimes when you aren't feeling like it.

Speaking of energy, I cannot recommend physical exercise enough. I
didn't believe it myself, actually, until I tried it, but in the last
few years, I have started exercising regularly for the first time in
my life, and I've learned that it makes a big difference in your
energy level. It doesn't magically solve all your problems, but it
can sometimes eliminate that "all I really want to do right now is
lie on the couch for a bit" feeling (that you might have all day
long sometimes, at least I do) and replace it with a feeling of
having a nice, decent amount of energy physically.

Exercise may not change your mental state, but having your physical
energy level increased is still worthwhile. Then again, it can even
affect your mental state. Especially heavy-duty cardio (like running
5 miles) can do that. You've heard of a "runner's high", probably,
and that does exist, but exercise can also sometimes allow a sort of
emotional release where you can let go of your stress and other
negative stuff that's floating around in your head and not doing
you any good.

> So, can anyone do me a favour and think of a relatively easy way of
> making money? (by the way I'm in Birmingham,England).

Odd jobs? It would depend on what kind of skills you have. I don't
know what the laws are in England, but here in the US, you can often
work small, one-time jobs for individuals on a cash-only basis and
nobody is going crack down on that make such people report that income
to the government. I'm talking about helping people move stuff, paint
their house, or whatever. It's not glamorous, but I guess it would
work, and it would have the advantage that you wouldn't need to commit
to anything if your mental state isn't conducive to being bound to show
up M-F at the same time, week after week.

Of course, there are many ways to make money. If you're a computer
programmer, you can write some shareware software and post that on
the internet and make a trickle of income off of that. It just depends
on what you're good at, what resources you have available to you, and
what ideas you have.

- Logan

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 1:11 pm
From: barbie gee

On Sat, 3 Nov 2007, Don K wrote:

> <zaman_2756@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1194041419.873824.7490@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> Due to severe depression I am unable to work,And the benefits I'm
>> on,such as income support don't cover my bills,hence I have fallen
>> into debt. Does anyone know of any easy ways of making extra money?
>> I'm thinking along the lines of medical trials,which can earn you upto
>> 500 pounds,just for sitting around playing pool and surfing the net.
>> The only problem is that these trials use pharmaceutical drugs which
>> can cause permanent damage to your body,hence I have ruled them out.
>> I have considered becoming a 'mystery shopper', but due to my
>> depression I don't really have the energy to visit shops.
>> So, can anyone do me a favour and think of a relatively easy way of
>> making money? (by the way I'm in Birmingham,England).
>>
>
> Since you're depressed you probably have a hard time doing anything.
>
> So the easiest way to make "extra" money is to do even less.
>
> Do less by cutting back on your lifestyle until you are living within
> your means. That is the surest way to get "extra" money. You don't
> have to compete for the job and no one can fire you.
>
> Once your lifestyle stabilizes and matches your income, you will find
> yourself less stressed. Then you can have something to look forward
> to by considering what else you can do to improve your life without
> being under pressure to pay your bills.

why is he looking to earn more, when the clear solution is to spend less?
aka, eliminate or reduce the goods and services that are sending you all
these "bills". If he doesn't go anywhere, what more than food, shelter
and utilities can he be spending on?

== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 1:14 pm
From: "%"

"barbie gee" <barbie.gee@NOSESPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0711031509100.32166@sghcrg.sghcrg.pbz...
>
>
> On Sat, 3 Nov 2007, Don K wrote:
>
> > <zaman_2756@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1194041419.873824.7490@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> >> Due to severe depression I am unable to work,And the benefits I'm
> >> on,such as income support don't cover my bills,hence I have fallen
> >> into debt. Does anyone know of any easy ways of making extra money?
> >> I'm thinking along the lines of medical trials,which can earn you
upto
> >> 500 pounds,just for sitting around playing pool and surfing the
net.
> >> The only problem is that these trials use pharmaceutical drugs
which
> >> can cause permanent damage to your body,hence I have ruled them
out.
> >> I have considered becoming a 'mystery shopper', but due to my
> >> depression I don't really have the energy to visit shops.
> >> So, can anyone do me a favour and think of a relatively easy way of
> >> making money? (by the way I'm in Birmingham,England).
> >>
> >
> > Since you're depressed you probably have a hard time doing anything.
> >
> > So the easiest way to make "extra" money is to do even less.
> >
> > Do less by cutting back on your lifestyle until you are living
within
> > your means. That is the surest way to get "extra" money. You don't
> > have to compete for the job and no one can fire you.
> >
> > Once your lifestyle stabilizes and matches your income, you will
find
> > yourself less stressed. Then you can have something to look forward
> > to by considering what else you can do to improve your life without
> > being under pressure to pay your bills.
>
> why is he looking to earn more, when the clear solution is to spend
less?
> aka, eliminate or reduce the goods and services that are sending you
all
> these "bills". If he doesn't go anywhere, what more than food,
shelter
> and utilities can he be spending on?

curvy women

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 1:40 pm
From: zaman_2756@yahoo.com

On 3 Nov, 20:14, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "barbie gee" <barbie....@NOSESPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0711031509100.32166@sghcrg.sghcrg.pbz...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 3 Nov 2007, Don K wrote:
>
> > > <zaman_2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > >news:1194041419.873824.7490@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> > >> Due to severe depression I am unable to work,And the benefits I'm
> > >> on,such as income support don't cover my bills,hence I have fallen
> > >> into debt. Does anyone know of any easy ways of making extra money?
> > >> I'm thinking along the lines of medical trials,which can earn you
> upto
> > >> 500 pounds,just for sitting around playing pool and surfing the
> net.
> > >> The only problem is that these trials use pharmaceutical drugs
> which
> > >> can cause permanent damage to your body,hence I have ruled them
> out.
> > >> I have considered becoming a 'mystery shopper', but due to my
> > >> depression I don't really have the energy to visit shops.
> > >> So, can anyone do me a favour and think of a relatively easy way of
> > >> making money? (by the way I'm in Birmingham,England).
>
> > > Since you're depressed you probably have a hard time doing anything.
>
> > > So the easiest way to make "extra" money is to do even less.
>
> > > Do less by cutting back on your lifestyle until you are living
> within
> > > your means. That is the surest way to get "extra" money. You don't
> > > have to compete for the job and no one can fire you.
>
> > > Once your lifestyle stabilizes and matches your income, you will
> find
> > > yourself less stressed. Then you can have something to look forward
> > > to by considering what else you can do to improve your life without
> > > being under pressure to pay your bills.
>
> > why is he looking to earn more, when the clear solution is to spend
> less?
> > aka, eliminate or reduce the goods and services that are sending you
> all
> > these "bills". If he doesn't go anywhere, what more than food,
> shelter
> > and utilities can he be spending on?
>
> curvy women- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I can't belive so many people have been kind hearted enough to give me
free advice. I particularly liked the tip of going to rich people in
my area and asking them advice on making money!
That gave me the thought,if I was good looking enough,wqorking as a
male escort would be a nice,pleasurable way of making money.
My problem is not that I'm work shy or lazy,but that my psychaiatrist
is uttelry incompetent. I mean,once he starts a a given anti-
depressant,he refuses to change to another one,even if it's not
working. Most guidelines on the net say that a given antidepressant
should be given 6 weeks to assess whether or not it's working,and then
changed to a different one. However my doctor refuses to change to a
different antidepressant no matter what. This man must be responsible
for hundreds of poor people leading miserable lifes. But I am worried
or reporting him to the NHS, because he's such a smooth talker,and so
intelligent that I'm sure he'd talk himself out of any investigation
by NHS auditors.
Since, he's the only psychiatrist in my area of birmingham,England, I
am resgined to my fate.
I didn't consider the idea that not all medical drug trials will lead
to cancer and other serious effects on my body. So, I am reconsdering
going for them,but there's still a nagging thought in the back of my
mind that these pharmaceuticals being tested are serious chemicals
with a real risk of causing damage to my body,and that fact is keeping
me from signing up with a company doing the trials in the UK.
I have also considered a company i saw on the web that lets you work
as an extra on tv. But am too embarrasaed by the fact that my
relatives will see me on tv reduced to working as an extra.
If anyone else has any good ways of making easy money please let me
know.
Bye friends.

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 1:55 pm
From: "mart2306@hotmail.com"

On 3 Nov, 20:40, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On 3 Nov, 20:14, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "barbie gee" <barbie....@NOSESPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0711031509100.32166@sghcrg.sghcrg.pbz...
>
> > > On Sat, 3 Nov 2007, Don K wrote:
>
> > > > <zaman_2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > >news:1194041419.873824.7490@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> > > >> Due to severe depression I am unable to work,And the benefits I'm
> > > >> on,such as income support don't cover my bills,hence I have fallen
> > > >> into debt. Does anyone know of any easy ways of making extra money?
> > > >> I'm thinking along the lines of medical trials,which can earn you
> > upto
> > > >> 500 pounds,just for sitting around playing pool and surfing the
> > net.
> > > >> The only problem is that these trials use pharmaceutical drugs
> > which
> > > >> can cause permanent damage to your body,hence I have ruled them
> > out.
> > > >> I have considered becoming a 'mystery shopper', but due to my
> > > >> depression I don't really have the energy to visit shops.
> > > >> So, can anyone do me a favour and think of a relatively easy way of
> > > >> making money? (by the way I'm in Birmingham,England).
>
> > > > Since you're depressed you probably have a hard time doing anything.
>
> > > > So the easiest way to make "extra" money is to do even less.
>
> > > > Do less by cutting back on your lifestyle until you are living
> > within
> > > > your means. That is the surest way to get "extra" money. You don't
> > > > have to compete for the job and no one can fire you.
>
> > > > Once your lifestyle stabilizes and matches your income, you will
> > find
> > > > yourself less stressed. Then you can have something to look forward
> > > > to by considering what else you can do to improve your life without
> > > > being under pressure to pay your bills.
>
> > > why is he looking to earn more, when the clear solution is to spend
> > less?
> > > aka, eliminate or reduce the goods and services that are sending you
> > all
> > > these "bills". If he doesn't go anywhere, what more than food,
> > shelter
> > > and utilities can he be spending on?
>
> > curvy women- Hide quoted text -
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> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I can't belive so many people have been kind hearted enough to give me
> free advice. I particularly liked the tip of going to rich people in
> my area and asking them advice on making money!
> That gave me the thought,if I was good looking enough,wqorking as a
> male escort would be a nice,pleasurable way of making money.
> My problem is not that I'm work shy or lazy,but that my psychaiatrist
> is uttelry incompetent. I mean,once he starts a a given anti-
> depressant,he refuses to change to another one,even if it's not
> working. Most guidelines on the net say that a given antidepressant
> should be given 6 weeks to assess whether or not it's working,and then
> changed to a different one. However my doctor refuses to change to a
> different antidepressant no matter what. This man must be responsible
> for hundreds of poor people leading miserable lifes. But I am worried
> or reporting him to the NHS, because he's such a smooth talker,and so
> intelligent that I'm sure he'd talk himself out of any investigation
> by NHS auditors.
> Since, he's the only psychiatrist in my area of birmingham,England, I
> am resgined to my fate.
> I didn't consider the idea that not all medical drug trials will lead
> to cancer and other serious effects on my body. So, I am reconsdering
> going for them,but there's still a nagging thought in the back of my
> mind that these pharmaceuticals being tested are serious chemicals
> with a real risk of causing damage to my body,and that fact is keeping
> me from signing up with a company doing the trials in the UK.
> I have also considered a company i saw on the web that lets you work
> as an extra on tv. But am too embarrasaed by the fact that my
> relatives will see me on tv reduced to working as an extra.
> If anyone else has any good ways of making easy money please let me
> know.
> Bye friends.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

Ummmm....hate to point this out.
But any drugs you are prescribed are serious chemicals with a real
risk of causing damage to your body.
Medical trials usually involve animals, then groups of humans (often
more than one set of tests) before being released. But then have a
wide range of effects that mean what you are given could be really bad
for you, but great for someone else.
I had prozac for a month, lost well over a stone. Throwing up will do
that to me. Yet it helps other people with things other than weight
loss. :)

No guarantees with any drug that the long term effects on you will be
exactly as the medical profession would want. But can be better than
no drugs.

Just be aware that if you do get extra income, it may affect your
benefits by the same amount.

Martin <><

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 2:39 pm
From: barbie gee

On Sat, 3 Nov 2007, zaman_2756@yahoo.com wrote:
> I can't belive so many people have been kind hearted enough to give me
> free advice. I particularly liked the tip of going to rich people in
> my area and asking them advice on making money!
> That gave me the thought,if I was good looking enough,wqorking as a
> male escort would be a nice,pleasurable way of making money.
> My problem is not that I'm work shy or lazy,but that my psychaiatrist
> is uttelry incompetent. I mean,once he starts a a given anti-
> depressant,he refuses to change to another one,even if it's not
> working. Most guidelines on the net say that a given antidepressant
> should be given 6 weeks to assess whether or not it's working,and then
> changed to a different one. However my doctor refuses to change to a
> different antidepressant no matter what. This man must be responsible
> for hundreds of poor people leading miserable lifes. But I am worried
> or reporting him to the NHS, because he's such a smooth talker,and so
> intelligent that I'm sure he'd talk himself out of any investigation
> by NHS auditors.
> Since, he's the only psychiatrist in my area of birmingham,England, I
> am resgined to my fate.

Not sure how the NHS system works, but could you just have general
practitioner or internist prescribe you mood meds? Must it be a
psychiatrist? Or are you also engaged in heavy "talk therapy" with him as
well?

== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 4:08 pm
From: zaman_2756@yahoo.com

On 3 Nov, 21:39, barbie gee <barbie....@NOSESPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Nov 2007, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > I can't belive so many people have been kind hearted enough to give me
> > free advice. I particularly liked the tip of going to rich people in
> > my area and asking them advice on making money!
> > That gave me the thought,if I was good looking enough,wqorking as a
> > male escort would be a nice,pleasurable way of making money.
> > My problem is not that I'm work shy or lazy,but that my psychaiatrist
> > is uttelry incompetent. I mean,once he starts a a given anti-
> > depressant,he refuses to change to another one,even if it's not
> > working. Most guidelines on the net say that a given antidepressant
> > should be given 6 weeks to assess whether or not it's working,and then
> > changed to a different one. However my doctor refuses to change to a
> > different antidepressant no matter what. This man must be responsible
> > for hundreds of poor people leading miserable lifes. But I am worried
> > or reporting him to the NHS, because he's such a smooth talker,and so
> > intelligent that I'm sure he'd talk himself out of any investigation
> > by NHS auditors.
> > Since, he's the only psychiatrist in my area of birmingham,England, I
> > am resgined to my fate.
>
> Not sure how the NHS system works, but could you just have general
> practitioner or internist prescribe you mood meds? Must it be a
> psychiatrist? Or are you also engaged in heavy "talk therapy" with him as
> well?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

No,here in the Uk, once you're referred to a psychiatrist,only he can
prescribe pills. But I do recall scomeone telling me that your GP can
change you to a different set of antidepressant pills. However,I
haven't checked if my GP is willing to overide my Psychiatrists
prescription.
If only the blood donation service gave you financial rewards for
donating blood! Also, i remeber reading somewhere that in bygone days
people who were ill would often state they felt better after having
blood removed.

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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 9:03 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

A NewsTarget photo investigation reveals that Energizer "D" Rechargeable
batteries are no more powerful than common "AA" rechargeable batteries. In
fact, an off-the-shelf Energizer "D" rechargeable battery is actually made
of a much smaller AA-capacity battery wrapped in a cheap plastic cylinder
with air gaps, designed to make it appear physically like a "D" battery
while only delivering the performance of an "AA" battery (2500 mAh).

The photos, taken by NewsTarget editor Mike Adams, reveal what's really
behind the Energizer "D" rechargeable battery: A plastic cylinder, air gaps
and a much smaller AA-style battery that only delivers 2500mAh of power.
Competing rechargeable "D" batteries on the market deliver a much as
11,000mAh of power and are priced at only slightly more cost than the
Energizer "D" battery (which costs approximately 400% more than Energizer's
2500mAH "AA" battery of the same capacity).

Note from the editor: I believe these Energizer "D" rechargeable batteries
are deceptively marketed and made to appear to be high-capacity batteries
when, in reality, they are nothing more than common AA-capacity batteries
inside. I am warning consumers to be aware of this apparent battery
deception and to avoid purchasing Energizer rechargeable batteries.
Recommend honest brands are Sony, Sanyo and Powerex, all of which are
available in much higher capacities than the Energizer "D" battery (at about
the same cost).

I believe that rechargeable batteries are an important "green living"
technology that can help consumers be less wasteful in their use of valuable
earth resources. NiMH batteries can be reused 1,000 times before being
thrown away, greatly reducing landfill and the introduction of toxic metals
into the environment. Energizer's intentional manufacture and marketing of a
"crippled" D battery is hampering the ability of consumers to purchase
reliable high-capacity rechargeable "D" batteries. By doing so, the
Energizer company is, in my opinion, engaged in practices that are extremely
unfriendly to both the environment and consumers.

I believe the Energizer company has a responsibility to consumers to produce
an honest line of rechargeable batteries that delivers the power density
expected by consumers and implied by the battery's shape and size. But the
prettty Energizer label reveals a startling secret inside these "D"
batteries: Cheap plastic filler and a "crippled" low-capacity battery
inside. It's like buying a Ford F350 truck with a V8 engine inside, then
opening the hood and discovering a tiny 4-banger engine hidden inside a fake
plastic V8 engine shell.

http://www.newstarget.com/PhotoTour_Energizer_Batteries_1.html

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 11:36 am
From: Logan Shaw

AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
> A NewsTarget photo investigation reveals that Energizer "D" Rechargeable
> batteries are no more powerful than common "AA" rechargeable batteries. In
> fact, an off-the-shelf Energizer "D" rechargeable battery is actually made
> of a much smaller AA-capacity battery wrapped in a cheap plastic cylinder
> with air gaps, designed to make it appear physically like a "D" battery
> while only delivering the performance of an "AA" battery (2500 mAh).

I don't see anything wrong with that. It'd designed to appear physically
like a "D" battery because it needs to physically *be* a "D" battery.
Some devices exist which require "D" batteries, and you can't put an "A"
battery in those devices because it will fall out of place.

Also, I don't get how they're being deceptively marketed. If you go
to their web site here:

http://www.energizer.com/products/rechargeables/sizes.aspx

then you'll see that it says quite prominently what the mAh ratings
are for the various sizes of batteries. It even has a paragraph
explaining what a mAh rating means in case you don't already know.

- Logan

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 11:51 am
From: Bert Hyman

In news:472cbf35$0$15369$4c368faf@roadrunner.com Logan Shaw
<lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote:

> Also, I don't get how they're being deceptively marketed. If you go
> to their web site here:
>
>

http://www.energizer.com/products/rechargeables/sizes.aspx
>
> then you'll see that it says quite prominently what the mAh ratings
> are for the various sizes of batteries.

If that info is also "quite prominently" listed on the retail package,
then you're right.

--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 12:31 pm
From: nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu

AllEmailDeletedImmediately <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:

>The photos, taken by NewsTarget editor Mike Adams, reveal what's really
>behind the Energizer "D" rechargeable battery: A plastic cylinder, air gaps
>and a much smaller AA-style battery that only delivers 2500mAh of power.

What do you mean by "2500mAh of power"? :-)

Nick

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 3:44 pm
From: George

Logan Shaw wrote:
> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>> A NewsTarget photo investigation reveals that Energizer "D"
>> Rechargeable batteries are no more powerful than common "AA"
>> rechargeable batteries. In fact, an off-the-shelf Energizer "D"
>> rechargeable battery is actually made of a much smaller AA-capacity
>> battery wrapped in a cheap plastic cylinder with air gaps, designed to
>> make it appear physically like a "D" battery while only delivering the
>> performance of an "AA" battery (2500 mAh).
>
> I don't see anything wrong with that. It'd designed to appear physically
> like a "D" battery because it needs to physically *be* a "D" battery.
> Some devices exist which require "D" batteries, and you can't put an "A"
> battery in those devices because it will fall out of place.
>
> Also, I don't get how they're being deceptively marketed. If you go
> to their web site here:
>
>

http://www.energizer.com/products/rechargeables/sizes.aspx
>
> then you'll see that it says quite prominently what the mAh ratings
> are for the various sizes of batteries. It even has a paragraph
> explaining what a mAh rating means in case you don't already know.
>
> - Logan

They certainly give the mAh rating of their batteries but I doubt the
average person would know that their Mickey Mouse "D cell size
replacement" only has 12% of the energy of an alkaline D cell which is
nominally 20,500 mAh.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 3:41 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

Bert Hyman wrote:
> In news:472cbf35$0$15369$4c368faf@roadrunner.com Logan Shaw wrote:
>
>> Also, I don't get how they're being deceptively marketed. If you go
>> to their web site here:
>>

http://www.energizer.com/products/rechargeables/sizes.aspx
>> then you'll see that it says quite prominently what the mAh ratings
>> are for the various sizes of batteries.
>
> If that info is also "quite prominently" listed on the retail package,
> then you're right.

It's displayed on the packaging but it won't mean anything to you
unless you know what what mAh means and the capacity of comparable
batteries.

Deceptive packaging abounds. That's why carbon batteries are marked
"Heavy Duty" in big letters and why cereal boxes are tall, wide,
very shallow and only half filled.

Anthony

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 10:25 am
From: Ken Knecht

"Bill" <billnomailnospamx@yahoo.com> wrote in news:5p3hn0Fp95rbU1
@mid.individual.net:

> I'm seeing a lot of "Make money from home!" ads lately. "Make a zillion
> dollars per month", etc.
>
> So my question... Has anyone here every replied to one of these ads,
> bought a "get rich quick" book, etc. and actually made money?

No, I've never experimented, but not for lack of their trying.

For many months now, weekly or more often, I've been getting fairly
elaborate two or more page letters with one get-rich scheme or another. I
wonder where they get my name? Also frequent presentations for some
thinly-traded stock or company whose stock is absolutely certain to go
up.

--
I got used to my arthritis
To my denture I'm resigned
I can manage my bifocals
But Lord I miss my mind

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 10:30 am
From: Ken Knecht

An internetless friend got one of those GoDuster gadgets. The free
included spray seems to be a certificate for the free spray, if you sent
$5 shipping. He asks if Pledge or other spray will work as well without
gumming the thing up?

Anyone know?

TIA

--
I got used to my arthritis
To my denture I'm resigned
I can manage my bifocals
But Lord I miss my mind

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 11:39 am
From: "Don K"

"Ken Knecht" <kenk6600@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99DD6AF5715FAkenkderucom@130.133.1.4...
> An internetless friend got one of those GoDuster gadgets. The free
> included spray seems to be a certificate for the free spray, if you sent
> $5 shipping. He asks if Pledge or other spray will work as well without
> gumming the thing up?

I would try using water or Windex to help keep down the flying dust.
I certainly would not send 5 more bucks to buy their "free" spray.

Hopefully the novelty will wear off before your friend gets tempted
to put more money into the toy.

Don

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 11:47 am
From: "Rod Speed"

email2or4jim@gmail.com wrote:

> Ebay has a new page &/or search format that they are forcing on everyone.
> It 'sucks' and makes it almost impossible to find anything anymore.

Only if you're an incompetant fool. Works fine for anyone with a clue.

> Everyone should stop using Ebay

Taint gunna happen, child.

> and maybe the JACKASSES who are trying to impose this on everyone will back off.

Since everyone aint gunna stop using ebay, taint gunna happen, child.

> SPREAD THE WORD!!!

Cant even spell the world SHIT!!!!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 11:53 am
From: William Souden

Rod Speed wrote:
> email2or4jim@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ebay has a new page &/or search format that they are forcing on everyone.
>> It 'sucks' and makes it almost impossible to find anything anymore.
>
> Only if you're an incompetant fool. Works fine for anyone with a clue.
>
>> Everyone should stop using Ebay
>
> Taint gunna happen, child.
>
>> and maybe the JACKASSES who are trying to impose this on everyone will back off.
>
> Since everyone aint gunna stop using ebay, taint gunna happen, child.
>
>> SPREAD THE WORD!!!
>
> Cant even spell the world SHIT!!!!
>
>
Great, the semi-literate, unemployable welfare boy starts a spelling
flame.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 4:25 pm
From: Jeff

I'll need to recover some files off a hard disk that has lost or
corrupted it's directory. (win 2000, NTFS I think. Chkdsk won't run.)

Any recommendations for a frugal but good data recovery program? The
mass of commercial programs out there is a bit much for me to sort through.

This may not be strictly on topic here, but this is a very diverse
and intelligent group and I don't think this will be the days worst topic!

Jeff

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