Frugal Living: Aug 7, 2007

Tuesday, August 7, 2007

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TOPIC: Need A Car? Get Free Help
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 9:25 am
From: jessi

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TOPIC: Best Internet Service Provider
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 10:37 am
From: Derald

nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:

>Verizon's installing FIOS in my neighborhood (with door-to-door
>salesmen with big discounts :-) But DSL's enough for me, so far.
>I want my phone to work in a power outage.
Gee, in the part of town where (Verizon) FIOS is up and running,
standalone data access is available irrespective of telephone service.
It is not an "either/or" proposition.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 9:53 am
From: "Lori"

"E Z Peaces" <cash@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:f9a310$83r$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
>> Anthony Matonak <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What I want is FIOS, 30Mbps to start and Gigabit for a little more.
>>>
>>> I could turn blue, die, decompose and come back as Elvis before
>>> they'll install it though. Why sell real broadband where there
>>> is plenty of DSL to go around?
>>
>> Verizon's installing FIOS in my neighborhood (with door-to-door
>> salesmen with big discounts :-) But DSL's enough for me, so far.
>> I want my phone to work in a power outage.
>>
>> Nick
>>
> I think Verizon includes a battery backup good for eight hours or more.

Keep an eye on their prices for a while. When they started here in Tampa
area it was about $130 a month for FIOS internet, T.V. and phone. Now they
are offering it for $99 with a 1 year contract. I don't need the landline
or the contract.

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TOPIC: Photo scanning service? - Follow up #2
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 10:28 am
From: Rick

me@privacy.net wrote:
>
> Rick <rickajho@rcn.com> wrote:
>
> >Each one of those photos has to be
> >manually placed into a scanner, scanned, saved and then all burned onto
> >a CD once it's all done. Digitizing just about *any* other format -
> >slides, negatives, video tape or 8mm film - is a lot less labor
> >intensive than individual photos. They key here - and cost - is having
> >someone else do it.
>
> Yep
>
> It IS manually intensive....as you said each print has
> to be inserted into the scanner

So I was in Ritz camera yesterday. Originally I was guestimating on the
$2.00 cost per photo if you had someone else do it. Turns out I was
right. That's what Ritz camera charges - $2.00 per scan - if you have
them do the job for you. That includes no retouching services at all. So
your question is: It this worth the $200.00 to you to have someone else
scan those 100 photos?

In another post you mentioned being in school. Doesn't the school have a
media lab where you can do this kind of stuff, possibly for a nominal
fee?

Rick

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TOPIC: Frugal pre-paid funeral expenses?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 10:35 am
From: bb90125@yahoo.com

On Aug 3, 1:28 am, Logan Shaw <lshaw-use...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> bb90...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Rod Speed is definitely one who "gets it" in terms of this issue.
>
> I don't want to get into a debate, but I want to emphasize something,
> because I think it's important.
>
> What I want to emphasize is that suicide is often chosen when you're
> in a state that makes it very difficult to think rationally or
> objectively. For example, when a mother chooses suicide and leaves
> behind young children, was she likely thinking rationally? The
> parenting instinct is incredibly strong, so for anything to
> override it must mean that that thing has a powerful ability to
> alter your thinking.
>
> No, I can't prove that everyone who ever chose suicide was acting
> irrationally. But of all the people who commit suicide, what
> percentage of them were thinking rationally? Not very many. The
> stresses and personal difficulties that push people to the point of
> considering suicide are also hard on your mind and can compromise
> your ability to think clearly.
>
> I say all that because I want to ask you to examine your thoughts
> and be sure you are thinking clearly. There is often a tendency to
> rationalize and justify the choice. So I'm asking you to check
> for yourself whether you're being honest with yourself about who
> you will be hurting and how much, whether you're rationalizing
> things, and in general whether you can be confident that you're
> thinking clearly.
>
> Once again, this is not meant to make you feel guilty, since that
> would serve no purpose. I am only hoping to help in some way if I
> can. Even though I don't know what I really can do, at least know
> that I am thinking about you. (And most likely, I'm not the only
> one.)
>
> - Logan

I do appreciate your senitments. I really do, and you seem like a
thoughtful and decent person. I realize that there are caring people
out there.

However, I also know that the decision to end one's life can be a
perfectly rational one, that is well thought-out.

When I took a very concentrated look at what the lasting effects would
be related to my passing there just simply is no doubt in my mind that
it's going to be a very good and worthwhile thing. I never made any
kind of impact in life, or deep connections to people. As for my
family, when I think about the income they've spent on me since
childhood (support, food, clothes, school, etc), it's staggering to
think of how all of this has been wasted. I've also never been any
kind of success in terms of making good money or having any kind of
decent job. All of my jobs have been dead-end, and with no benefits.
All of this takes a toll on a family over a period of many years.
Eventually, you can tell how ashamed they are of you inside. They
won't say it of course, but it's true.

I'm sure my suicide at first may not be the most comfortable thing for
them (since when anyone dies it can be a shock).

But when I think of the years they'll have without having to deal with
anything related to me anymore, it's really going to a very good thing
for all. After a few years, and memories start to fade, their lives
will have returned to how things were before I was around. The freedom
they will have in being able to live once more will be the greatest
gift I could have ever given them.

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TOPIC: Hand wash???
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 10:37 am
From: Rick

Anthony Matonak wrote:
>
> hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
> > We grabbed some new dishtowels from Kmart on a recent shopping trip,
> > Martha Stewfart approved if that matters. Washed them and they came
> > out incredibly wrinkled. Looked on the label... Made in India, 100%
> > cotton. HAND WASH in cold water. Right, we'll get mammy to do that
> > next time. WTF??? HAND WASH dish towels??? Gee, what next, ironing
> > paper towels before use?
>
> It's that 100% cotton that is the wrinkle magnet. I don't know about
> hand washing them but you probably want to line dry and iron. :)
>
> Anthony

It could also be how the cotton is finished. We have 100% cotton sheets
that come out of the dryer in reasonable condition. Then we have other
100% cotton sheets that just wad up into a wrinkled ball of fabric in
the dryer. Short of ironing them - like that's gonna happen - those
particular sheets always look like hell. Impossible to fold.

I would do what other's have suggested - take them back. That's just
silly.

Rick

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 11:26 am
From: Binyamin Dissen

On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:19:27 -0500 "Ms P" <ms_peacock@wbsnet.org> wrote:

:><hchickpea@hotmail.com> wrote in message
:>news:v3qfb3pecknp84dc8gmeaumh2pjr3uakbg@4ax.com...
:>> We grabbed some new dishtowels from Kmart on a recent shopping trip,
:>> Martha Stewfart approved if that matters. Washed them and they came
:>> out incredibly wrinkled. Looked on the label... Made in India, 100%
:>> cotton. HAND WASH in cold water. Right, we'll get mammy to do that
:>> next time. WTF??? HAND WASH dish towels??? Gee, what next, ironing
:>> paper towels before use?

:>Are the wrinkles going to affect their preformance? Can you dry dishes with
:>wrinkled towels?

I don't get it either.

Who cares if a towel is wrinkled?

--
Binyamin Dissen <bdissen@dissensoftware.com>
http://www.dissensoftware.com

Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me,
you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain.

I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems,
especially those from irresponsible companies.

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TOPIC: OK to cut vitamins in half?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 11:47 am
From: me@privacy.net

spinner.barry@gmail.com wrote:

>> Think it OK to cut vitamins in half or even quarters
>> and take that way? Or do they have some kind of
>> enteric coating on them that slows down absorption that
>> cutting would hinder?
>
>Yes, to first Q. And yes, to second Q when there is a special-
>purpose coating only.

The vitamins I have are generic Walmart brand
multivitamins for people over age 50

How can I tell if they have enteric coating on them
just by looking at them?

Label has no info on whether or not it has enteric
coating.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 1:12 pm
From: et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black)

(me@privacy.net) writes:
> Been thinking abt starting to take a daily vitamin such
> as Centrum
>
> But got to looking at label and some of the doses are
> at 400%!!
>
So don't buy such a powerful vitamin, it will have the
advantage of being cheaper.

But of course, if you were really frugal you'd be doing
your own research on vitamins, instead of jumping to
the nonsense solution of cutting them in half, and learn
about vitamins.

Some vitamins, you don't want to get too much of, since
they do accumulate in your body.

Others, they don't so an "overdose" doesn't matter.

Of course, since you're so concerned about the more
than the "daily requirement", you'd better be thinking about
whether you really need vitamins in the first place. Because
chances are good, unless your diet is really lousy, that
you will be getting more than the RDA on some of those
vitamins anyway, since the food you eat will give you
the vitamins.

Again, the frugal solution might be to eat better so
you don't need (or don't feel you need) vitamin supplements.

Or realize you are eating okay, and you don't need the vitamin
supplement, or at the very most need only a specific supplement
to compensate for one or a handful of missing vitamins or minerals.

Michael

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TOPIC: Rod Speed, how is Australia ?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 11:49 am
From: me@privacy.net

Jimington <wvzubqtr@gfa.pp> wrote:

>Perhaps it'd be wise to add that the climate can vary a bit since
>Australia takes up 7+ million km² of the earth's surface area.
>My bit of Australia doesn't get (anywhere near) as cold as Rod's nor
>has as many or as severe hot days.

Oh sure. understand that. I realize Aus is BIG!!

So...in your opinion what part of Aus has best climate
overall.... not to hot... not too cold?

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 12:13 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

me@privacy.net wrote
> Jimington <wvzubqtr@gfa.pp> wrote

>> Perhaps it'd be wise to add that the climate can vary a
>> bit since Australia takes up 7+ million km² of the earth's
>> surface area. My bit of Australia doesn't get (anywhere near)
>> as cold as Rod's nor has as many or as severe hot days.

> Oh sure. understand that. I realize Aus is BIG!!

> So...in your opinion what part of Aus has best
> climate overall.... not to hot... not too cold?

The top half of the NSW coast.

There are some real advantages with coastal Queensland,
but its got the massive problem that the summer when you
want to go swimming sees stingers in the water than can kill
you. And a hell of a problem with sandflys etc in the winter too.

A crazy mate of mine migrates to a trailer park outside Ayr
for the winter, and a pack of them play gin rummy for 3 months
getting blotto every day. Not my idea of how to spend the winter.

Coastal Western Australia has some real advantages but its one
hell of a long way from anywhere. Great employment prospects
tho, its one of the states with a 1.x% unemployment rate. Its such
a boom that finding someone to live is one hell of a problem tho.
No big deal if you dont mind living in an RV and getting stinking
rich on the very high wages they pay in the mining industry tho.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 12:41 pm
From: me@privacy.net

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>> So...in your opinion what part of Aus has best
>> climate overall.... not to hot... not too cold?
>
>The top half of the NSW coast.

what towns say abt 30k people?

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 1:07 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

me@privacy.net wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> me@privacy.net wrote

>>> So...in your opinion what part of Aus has best
>>> climate overall.... not to hot... not too cold?

>> The top half of the NSW coast.

And around Noosa in Qld too. Getting pretty pricey now tho.

> what towns say abt 30k people?

port macquarie, coffs harbour

I like Kingscliff myself.
http://maps.google.com/?mid=1186516634

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TOPIC: Student Loan Consolidation Programs
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Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 11:59 am
From: GT Terry

Anyone have any good websites that have articles on student loan help.

I found http://9loans.info

on my own, but does anyone have more?

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TOPIC: Make Money
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Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 12:38 pm
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Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 1:49 pm
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Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 1:59 pm
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Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 2:01 pm
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TOPIC: The best online shopping offers
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Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 1:52 pm
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Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 2:04 pm
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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 4:12 pm
From: Derald

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 3:52 pm
From: Derald

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TOPIC: Food Fraud: Not China this time
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 12:18 am
From: "dfr"

PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:15:48 +1000, "dfr" <dfr@dfr.com> wrote:
>
>> And medicine in spades when no one has ever been able to show that
>> any of the stupid chinese crap like rhino horn etc does a damned thing etc.

> Look up the article on rhino horn exploitation in the National
> Geographic. The critical demand comes from the Gulf Arabs,
> particularly Yemenis who value rhino horn for dagger handles.

Irrelevant to the stupid chinese medical crap. In spades with tigers.

> Chinese merchants eagerly pay good bucks the shavings from this
> process. Chinese demand is constrained by this secondary supply.

No it isnt.

> For your info, whatever use the Chinese make use of with regards to
> rhino horn it is not for sexual vigor. With the population as it is god knows
> they don't need further encouragement. Anyway I haven't come across
> rhino horn for Chinese medicines for quite some years now.

You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.

> Did a google search and the relevant article dated July 7, 2004 turned up
> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0707_040707_rhinos_2.html

> Real rhino horn is unaffordable to mostly poor Chinese
> who are the most likely group to believe in its efficacy.

Irrelevant to how many rhinos end up dead due to that stupid chinese crap.

Tigers in spades.

> So they drink pop bottle size water that claims to contain rhino horn extracts.
> Read a story somewhere that buffalo horn is used. Whatever, it was fake.

Irrelevant to how many rhinos end up dead due to that stupid chinese crap.

Tigers in spades.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 12:24 am
From: "dfr"

Peter Bruells <pb@ecce-terram.de> wrote:
> "dfr" <dfr@dfr.com> writes:
>
>> PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>> Through famines, plagues, wars, natural disaster that wiped out
>>> millions and even tens of millions per episode. Anywhere else
>>> that would have wiped out a whole country and even civilization.

>> Fantasy. Bet you cant list even a single country
>> or civilisation that disappeared that way.

> Well, the Mayas very likely wiped out their civilization due to overpopulation and wars.

Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.

> The local climate change did help, though.

And attempting a mode of operation that was unsustainable.

> However, only their culture broke down, they
> themselves survived in smaller numbers -

The numbers werent all that small, even with the decimation that the spanish etc produced.

> they just lost their citybuilding skills.

So they didnt actually disappear at all. Just changed the way they did things.

Hordes of countrys and civilisations did that, including the romans.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 12:20 am
From: "dfr"

PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:15:48 +1000, "dfr" <dfr@dfr.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>> Again your science is wanting.
>>
>>
>>> Its too bad the Chinese aid workers haven't managed
>>> to persuade Africans to use human waste as fertilizer.
>>
>> That would only make the HIV/AIDS problem much worse.

> The HIV/AIDS virus cannot survive outside a living organism.

Wrong, most obviously with used needles.

> Exposure to oxygen kills them. You need a cut, an open sore or an
> exchange of body fluids (go get screwed. Bet you haven't been laid
> for ages.) to transmit the HIV virus from one living body to another.

Wrong, most obviously with used needles.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 3:29 am
From: PaPaPeng

On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:18:42 +1000, "dfr" <dfr@dfr.com> wrote:

>Irrelevant to the stupid chinese medical crap. In spades with tigers.

Hey, you sound exactly like Rod the Speed? Schizo clone huh?

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 12:41 am
From: Proginoskes

On Aug 6, 1:08 pm, conspiracy.bl...@gmail.com wrote:
> http://nasaconspiracy.net/conspiracy- Find out who really shot JFK!,

George Herbert Walker Bush.

> learn how they faked the lunar landing,

A soundstage in Idaho. It's still there!

> see what they are putting in
> our milk to enlarge young womens breasts in a goal to raise the
> declining birth rate.

Pfft. If THEY wanted to reduce the birth rate, THEY'd stop
manufacturing TVs that emit so much sterilizing radiation.

> Proof of extraterrestrial life

YOUR ANCESTORS came from outer space! Zecharia Stichin knew this
well ...

> and much more revealed here.

Such as:

How was an invasion from Mars was covered up by "World" War I?

Who was REALLY shot in the barn when the posse was after John Wilkes
Booth?

If the atmosphere of Venus is acid rain, then how were Russian probes
able to soft-land using CLOTH PARACHUTES?

Who killed Marilyn Monroe?

Who sabotaged the Hindenberg? And who was the "mysterious dark-skinned
woman" who kept asking about whether it had landed yet?

Who was the REAL Dr. Frankenstein?

What 800 year-old secret German society is the source of ALL secret
societies of the current age?

Was the "influenza" epidemic of 1918 really Earth's bacteria killing
off extraterrestrial INVADERS?

Why are trains more energy efficient than automobiles and airplanes?

What is in Jesse Curry's "Personal JFK Assassination File"?

Why is President James K. Polk NOT connected with any secret
societies?

What does the connection between the words ARYAN and ARES mean?

Whose head did they find when they did George W. Bush's colonoscopy
last week?

And for topicality ...

What is the "hidden mathematics" that THEY use, which is not taught in
ANY school?

How can you live like a king for $1 a year?

What secret force impelled L. Ron Hubbard to go after psychiatrists?
Do Scientologists know that they are Hubbard's "pawns" in this game?

What common combination of common herbs causes multiple orgasms in
women?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 2:34 am
From: Alan S

On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:08:21 -0000,
conspiracy.black@gmail.com wrote:

>http://nasaconspiracy.net/conspiracy - Find out who really shot JFK!,
>learn how they faked the lunar landing, see what they are putting in
>our milk to enlarge young womens breasts in a goal to raise the
>declining birth rate.

Do you have an address for the testing facility?

> Proof of extraterrestrial life and much more
>revealed here.

Cheers, Alan, Australia
--
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Slovenia
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 4:48 am
From: Markku Grönroos

menes nyt kakka muualle matkustus konffeista

"Proginoskes" <CCHeckman@gmail.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:1186472493.383543.48550@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 6, 1:08 pm, conspiracy.bl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> http://nasaconspiracy.net/conspiracy- Find out who really shot JFK!,
>
> George Herbert Walker Bush.
>
>> learn how they faked the lunar landing,
>
> A soundstage in Idaho. It's still there!
>
>> see what they are putting in
>> our milk to enlarge young womens breasts in a goal to raise the
>> declining birth rate.
>
> Pfft. If THEY wanted to reduce the birth rate, THEY'd stop
> manufacturing TVs that emit so much sterilizing radiation.
>
>> Proof of extraterrestrial life
>
> YOUR ANCESTORS came from outer space! Zecharia Stichin knew this
> well ...
>
>> and much more revealed here.
>
> Such as:
>
> How was an invasion from Mars was covered up by "World" War I?
>
> Who was REALLY shot in the barn when the posse was after John Wilkes
> Booth?
>
> If the atmosphere of Venus is acid rain, then how were Russian probes
> able to soft-land using CLOTH PARACHUTES?
>
> Who killed Marilyn Monroe?
>
> Who sabotaged the Hindenberg? And who was the "mysterious dark-skinned
> woman" who kept asking about whether it had landed yet?
>
> Who was the REAL Dr. Frankenstein?
>
> What 800 year-old secret German society is the source of ALL secret
> societies of the current age?
>
> Was the "influenza" epidemic of 1918 really Earth's bacteria killing
> off extraterrestrial INVADERS?
>
> Why are trains more energy efficient than automobiles and airplanes?
>
> What is in Jesse Curry's "Personal JFK Assassination File"?
>
> Why is President James K. Polk NOT connected with any secret
> societies?
>
> What does the connection between the words ARYAN and ARES mean?
>
> Whose head did they find when they did George W. Bush's colonoscopy
> last week?
>
> And for topicality ...
>
> What is the "hidden mathematics" that THEY use, which is not taught in
> ANY school?
>
> How can you live like a king for $1 a year?
>
> What secret force impelled L. Ron Hubbard to go after psychiatrists?
> Do Scientologists know that they are Hubbard's "pawns" in this game?
>
> What common combination of common herbs causes multiple orgasms in
> women?
>
>

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 3:07 am
From: Philospher

The benefits of Papaya
Papaya has the properties,which are not present in other fruits.It is
a rich source of Nutrients.
http://foodone.blogspot.com/2007/08/papaya-benefitial-fruit.html

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 3:08 am
From: "Chloe"

"Anthony Matonak" <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote in message
news:46b7f309$0$8949$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
>> We grabbed some new dishtowels from Kmart on a recent shopping trip,
>> Martha Stewfart approved if that matters. Washed them and they came
>> out incredibly wrinkled. Looked on the label... Made in India, 100%
>> cotton. HAND WASH in cold water. Right, we'll get mammy to do that
>> next time. WTF??? HAND WASH dish towels??? Gee, what next, ironing
>> paper towels before use?
>
> It's that 100% cotton that is the wrinkle magnet. I don't know about
> hand washing them but you probably want to line dry and iron. :)
>
> Anthony

Or, less hassle but still a minor annoyance, remove them from the dryer when
they're still slightly damp and smooth the wrinkles out. Personally I'd just
take them back to Kmart. They're pretty good about accepting returns.

DH went on a spree a while back buying those white terrycloth shop towels.
We use them in the kitchen now as hand towels and they work well as dish
towels, too.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 4:42 am
From: Ward Abbott

On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 23:41:18 -0400, hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:

> Right, we'll get mammy to do that
>next time. WTF??? HAND WASH dish towels???

I READ the labels on any article before buying. What would you
think if the label said DRYCLEAN ONLY?

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 8:01 am
From: barbie gee

On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:

> We grabbed some new dishtowels from Kmart on a recent shopping trip,
> Martha Stewfart approved if that matters. Washed them and they came
> out incredibly wrinkled. Looked on the label... Made in India, 100%
> cotton. HAND WASH in cold water. Right, we'll get mammy to do that
> next time. WTF??? HAND WASH dish towels??? Gee, what next, ironing
> paper towels before use?
>

well, actually, I bet if you just pressed them after machine washing,
they'd look beautiful!

(Martha is kinda crazy...)

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 9:19 am
From: "Ms P"

<hchickpea@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:v3qfb3pecknp84dc8gmeaumh2pjr3uakbg@4ax.com...
> We grabbed some new dishtowels from Kmart on a recent shopping trip,
> Martha Stewfart approved if that matters. Washed them and they came
> out incredibly wrinkled. Looked on the label... Made in India, 100%
> cotton. HAND WASH in cold water. Right, we'll get mammy to do that
> next time. WTF??? HAND WASH dish towels??? Gee, what next, ironing
> paper towels before use?

Are the wrinkles going to affect their preformance? Can you dry dishes with
wrinkled towels?

Ms P

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Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 3:46 am
From: clams casino

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>
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 4:18 am
From: nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu

Anthony Matonak <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:

>What I want is FIOS, 30Mbps to start and Gigabit for a little more.
>
>I could turn blue, die, decompose and come back as Elvis before
>they'll install it though. Why sell real broadband where there
>is plenty of DSL to go around?

Verizon's installing FIOS in my neighborhood (with door-to-door
salesmen with big discounts :-) But DSL's enough for me, so far.
I want my phone to work in a power outage.

Nick

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 8:27 am
From: E Z Peaces

nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
> Anthony Matonak <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> What I want is FIOS, 30Mbps to start and Gigabit for a little more.
>>
>> I could turn blue, die, decompose and come back as Elvis before
>> they'll install it though. Why sell real broadband where there
>> is plenty of DSL to go around?
>
> Verizon's installing FIOS in my neighborhood (with door-to-door
> salesmen with big discounts :-) But DSL's enough for me, so far.
> I want my phone to work in a power outage.
>
> Nick
>
I think Verizon includes a battery backup good for eight hours or more.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 4:12 am
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 5:48 am
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 7:13 am
From: Priyanka

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 7:29 am
From: George

Priyanka wrote:
> Some days b4 a guy was killed in a road Accident.............
> Report with photographs at
>
> http://spamcenters.blogspot.com/2007/07/real-road-accident-photos.html
>
> He was coping the Dhoom ( A Indian Hindi Movie) ...............
> Girls, women, children, heart patients are advised not to see site...
> so, Plz drive with care..
> Life comes only one time in life...
>
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== 2 of 2 ==
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 7:50 am
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Today's topics:

* Backhoe or dozer rental - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Do you think that "Muslims are real Christians more than the Christians" - 1
messages, 1 author
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* Rod Speed, how is Australia ? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Food Fraud: Not China this time - 3 messages, 2 authors
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 10:01 pm
From: NO_SPAM_TO_dpharris@gci.net (Dennis P. Harris)

On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:50:25 -0000 in
misc.consumers.frugal-living, Brian Elfert <belfert@visi.com>
wrote:

> Do rental places really rent dozers, backhoes, and the like to folks who
> have no experience with them?
>
Not the ones I deal with. For a Bobcat or other small loader,
they will rent to someone without experience provided you
practice on the dirt pile at the edge of their parking lot long
enough to learn how to use it. OTOH, their rates are high enough
that it's probably worth hiring someone who knows what they're
doing to run it so that job can get done within the rental time.

For the big stuff, unless you're a contractor, you'd better be
able to prove that you know what you're doing with a rig, even
just their motorized hydraulic lifts.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 10:32 pm
From: "laelahaellallah@gmail.com"

I asked in Yahoo Answer:
Do you think that "Muslims are real Christians more than the
Christians"
I think Muslims are real Christians more than the Christians:
Because they follow Jesus more than us. Jesus (PBUH) worships only the
Father and pray for Him only, just like Muslims. Believe only the
Father, just like Muslims, he was Unitarian.. just like Muslims!!!

A member answers me:
and so is all the prophets of God, Moses worshiped only God not
trinity either.

Another one answers me:
The Muslim view of Jesus and God is clear, while the view held by most
Christians is warped. Jesus was never God, and Muslims know this.
Christians will get upset at such a comparison between Muslims and
themselves, because they staunchly believe, without prior
investigation, that Jesus is God.

Muslims know who Jesus was, a Prophet of God. Jesus has a very high
station in Islam, as should be. Muslims are strictly monotheistic,
while Christians are polytheistic, even though they are not aware of
it. Muslims have a most clear view of all of this, while most
Christians are so lost, with veils over their eyes.

Not to mention, there are many more practicing Muslims than there are
practicing Christians. For argument's sake, I agree with you.

EDIT: Btw, Muhammad was often mistaken for a Christian, which he
dearly appreciated as a very deep compliment.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 10:31 pm
From: Jimington

On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 07:53:24 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>me@privacy.net wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> me@privacy.net wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>>> How is the weather down there?
>
>>>>> Not bad, winter here, significant rain,
>
>>>> Rod I forget....what city you in in Aus?
>
>>>> And.... what is the average winter temp there?
>
>>> Mean max in July, the coldest month is 14.3C, 58F
>>> Mean min is 2.3C, 38F
>
>>>> Does it get below freezing?
>
>>> The overnight minimum does.
>
>> Still tho.... a lot milder than winter here in northern Missouri! <g>
>
>Sure, its a lot closer to non coastal Texas, but without the snow.
>
>> Id say we have abt two week of weather in mid January
>> where temps never get above 20 degrees F. Maybe lower
>
>Its very rare that the daily max doesnt get above 32F, like once in a decade or more.
>
>> So the Aussie climate sounds MUCH more agreeable to me!
>
>Yeah, tho its pretty hot in summer, 10 days over 100F isnt that unusual.
>
Perhaps it'd be wise to add that the climate can vary a bit since
Australia takes up 7+ million km² of the earth's surface area.
My bit of Australia doesn't get (anywhere near) as cold as Rod's nor
has as many or as severe hot days.

Jim.

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My dull website.

== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 11:26 pm
From: PaPaPeng

On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:15:48 +1000, "dfr" <dfr@dfr.com> wrote:

>And medicine in spades when no one has ever been able to show that
>any of the stupid chinese crap like rhino horn etc does a damned thing etc.

Look up the article on rhino horn exploitation in the National
Geographic. The critical demand comes from the Gulf Arabs,
particularly Yemenis who value rhino horn for dagger handles. Chinese
merchants eagerly pay good bucks the shavings from this process.
Chinese demand is constrained by this secondary supply. For your
info, whatever use the Chinese make use of with regards to rhino horn
it is not for sexual vigor. With the population as it is god knows
they don't need further encouragement. Anyway I haven't come across
rhino horn for Chinese medicines for quite some years now.

Did a google search and the relevant article dated July 7, 2004
turned up
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0707_040707_rhinos_2.html

Real rhino horn is unaffordable to mostly poor Chinese who are the
most likely group to believe in its efficacy. So they drink pop
bottle size water that claims to contain rhino horn extracts. Read a
story somewhere that buffalo horn is used. Whatever, it was fake.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 11:35 pm
From: PaPaPeng

On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:15:48 +1000, "dfr" <dfr@dfr.com> wrote:

>> Again your science is wanting.
>
>
>> Its too bad the Chinese aid workers haven't managed
>> to persuade Africans to use human waste as fertilizer.
>
>That would only make the HIV/AIDS problem much worse.
>
The HIV/AIDS virus cannot survive outside a living organism. Exposure
to oxygen kills them. You need a cut, an open sore or an exchange of
body fluids (go get screwed. Bet you haven't been laid for ages.) to
transmit the HIV virus from one living body to another.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 12:01 am
From: Peter Bruells

"dfr" <dfr@dfr.com> writes:

> PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> > Through famines, plagues, wars, natural disaster that wiped out
> > millions and even tens of millions per episode. Anywhere else
> > that would have wiped out a whole country and even civilization.
>
> Fantasy. Bet you cant list even a single country or civilisation
> that disappeared that way.

Well, the Mayas very likely wiped out their civilization due to
overpopulation and wars. The local climate change did help, though.

However, only their culture broke down, they themselves survived in
smaller numbers - they just lost their citybuilding skills.

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