Frugal Living: Jul 7, 2008

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TOPIC: Bush STILL Pushing Increasing U.S. Population
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 6 2008 11:47 pm
From: "Irish Mike"

"aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
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> Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback! wrote:
>>
>> "aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
>> news:lL2ck.99005$102.26145@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>> Yer Pal Al wrote:
> (snip)
>>> Better a single parent with time and sanity to care about the kids,
>>
>> No such thing. They may mean well, don't get me wrong, but parenting is a
>> two person, two GENDER job. And I don't give a damn about the politics of
>> the situation, the fact is men and women bring different abilities to the
>> table and children benefit from them both. Rather than saying that angry
>> couples should or should not stay together "for the children", I say the
>> dumb selfish bastards shouldn't have had the kid(s) to begin with.
>>
> Well, you're preaching to the choir on that one- a significant percentage
> of the people shacking up/marrying and having kids are not competent to
> perform any of those duties. Except for the small matter of there not
> being anyone competent to sit in judgment about people's skill sets, I'd
> say that having kids should require a training course and getting a
> license.
>
> But reproduction, like love and lust, is by definition an irrational
> process. The genes want what the genes want. And once the kids are there,
> you don't get a do-over. You have to make do as best you can.
>
> But I still say a single parent household is better than a broken 2-parent
> household. BTDT, from the kid side. Once they only saw each other a few
> hours a month, they got along a lot better. And both of them were able to
> devote quality time to us young ones. The older kids, separated from us
> younger ones by several years, said it was traumatic as hell to be going
> through adolescence in a battle zone.

If you're concerned about the population, why not start by kicking out
20,000,000 illegal immigrants?

Irish Mike

== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 12:03 am
From: "the Bede"

"Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:9_ick.9923$89.5945@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
> "aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
> news:WI9ck.196063$SV4.76662@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback! wrote:
>>>
>>> "aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
>>> news:lL2ck.99005$102.26145@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>> Yer Pal Al wrote:
>> (snip)
>>>> Better a single parent with time and sanity to care about the kids,
>>>
>>> No such thing. They may mean well, don't get me wrong, but parenting is
>>> a two person, two GENDER job. And I don't give a damn about the politics
>>> of the situation, the fact is men and women bring different abilities to
>>> the table and children benefit from them both. Rather than saying that
>>> angry couples should or should not stay together "for the children", I
>>> say the dumb selfish bastards shouldn't have had the kid(s) to begin
>>> with.
>>>
>> Well, you're preaching to the choir on that one- a significant percentage
>> of the people shacking up/marrying and having kids are not competent to
>> perform any of those duties. Except for the small matter of there not
>> being anyone competent to sit in judgment about people's skill sets, I'd
>> say that having kids should require a training course and getting a
>> license.
>>
>> But reproduction, like love and lust, is by definition an irrational
>> process. The genes want what the genes want. And once the kids are there,
>> you don't get a do-over. You have to make do as best you can.
>>
>> But I still say a single parent household is better than a broken
>> 2-parent household. BTDT, from the kid side. Once they only saw each
>> other a few hours a month, they got along a lot better. And both of them
>> were able to devote quality time to us young ones. The older kids,
>> separated from us younger ones by several years, said it was traumatic as
>> hell to be going through adolescence in a battle zone.
>
> If you're concerned about the population, why not start by kicking out
> 20,000,000 illegal immigrants?
>
> Irish Mike
>
>
yeah, send Paddy back to Cork!

== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 12:52 am
From: "Irish Mike"

"the Bede" <rspwsownthebede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:o7jck.22304$3F5.19072@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> news:9_ick.9923$89.5945@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>
>> "aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
>> news:WI9ck.196063$SV4.76662@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>> Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback! wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:lL2ck.99005$102.26145@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>>> Yer Pal Al wrote:
>>> (snip)
>>>>> Better a single parent with time and sanity to care about the kids,
>>>>
>>>> No such thing. They may mean well, don't get me wrong, but parenting is
>>>> a two person, two GENDER job. And I don't give a damn about the
>>>> politics of the situation, the fact is men and women bring different
>>>> abilities to the table and children benefit from them both. Rather than
>>>> saying that angry couples should or should not stay together "for the
>>>> children", I say the dumb selfish bastards shouldn't have had the
>>>> kid(s) to begin with.
>>>>
>>> Well, you're preaching to the choir on that one- a significant
>>> percentage of the people shacking up/marrying and having kids are not
>>> competent to perform any of those duties. Except for the small matter of
>>> there not being anyone competent to sit in judgment about people's skill
>>> sets, I'd say that having kids should require a training course and
>>> getting a license.
>>>
>>> But reproduction, like love and lust, is by definition an irrational
>>> process. The genes want what the genes want. And once the kids are
>>> there, you don't get a do-over. You have to make do as best you can.
>>>
>>> But I still say a single parent household is better than a broken
>>> 2-parent household. BTDT, from the kid side. Once they only saw each
>>> other a few hours a month, they got along a lot better. And both of them
>>> were able to devote quality time to us young ones. The older kids,
>>> separated from us younger ones by several years, said it was traumatic
>>> as hell to be going through adolescence in a battle zone.
>>
>> If you're concerned about the population, why not start by kicking out
>> 20,000,000 illegal immigrants?
>>
>> Irish Mike
>>
>>
> yeah, send Paddy back to Cork!

Which part of "illegal" didn't you understand? BTW, I'm from Kerry, you
stupid ass wipe.

Irish Mike

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 1:10 am
From: nero

On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 02:03:12 -0500, the Bede wrote:

> "Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> news:9_ick.9923$89.5945@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>
>> "aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
>> news:WI9ck.196063$SV4.76662@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>> Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback! wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:lL2ck.99005$102.26145@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>>> Yer Pal Al wrote:
>>> (snip)
>>>>> Better a single parent with time and sanity to care about the kids,
>>>>
>>>> No such thing. They may mean well, don't get me wrong, but parenting
>>>> is a two person, two GENDER job. And I don't give a damn about the
>>>> politics of the situation, the fact is men and women bring different
>>>> abilities to the table and children benefit from them both. Rather
>>>> than saying that angry couples should or should not stay together
>>>> "for the children", I say the dumb selfish bastards shouldn't have
>>>> had the kid(s) to begin with.
>>>>
>>> Well, you're preaching to the choir on that one- a significant
>>> percentage of the people shacking up/marrying and having kids are not
>>> competent to perform any of those duties. Except for the small matter
>>> of there not being anyone competent to sit in judgment about people's
>>> skill sets, I'd say that having kids should require a training course
>>> and getting a license.
>>>
>>> But reproduction, like love and lust, is by definition an irrational
>>> process. The genes want what the genes want. And once the kids are
>>> there, you don't get a do-over. You have to make do as best you can.
>>>
>>> But I still say a single parent household is better than a broken
>>> 2-parent household. BTDT, from the kid side. Once they only saw each
>>> other a few hours a month, they got along a lot better. And both of
>>> them were able to devote quality time to us young ones. The older
>>> kids, separated from us younger ones by several years, said it was
>>> traumatic as hell to be going through adolescence in a battle zone.
>>
>> If you're concerned about the population, why not start by kicking out
>> 20,000,000 illegal immigrants?
>>
>> Irish Mike
>>
>>
> yeah, send Paddy back to Cork!

If Mexico can succeed in sending them here, certainly the great US can
manage to send them back. Considering the amount of resources they are
using, my tax money in particular, it would be cheaper to send them back
than to keep them here or offer the criminals citizenship and still end
up paying for their six or more stair-step kids.

Also we might see that true, legal Americans really would do the less
than average pay jobs. Consider that the unemployment rate represents
the people on the dole not all the hundreds of thousands that never did
find a job and ran out of unemployment benefits.

The cheapest way to get rid of them would be the cost of ammunition; this
may occur sooner than you think if the economy does tank completely.
Texans are gun-toters and Texas is overrun with them. Think about it.

nero
____________

ps--my family came from Barcelona in 1919. Legal immigrants, notice?! as
all should be. No exceptions.

--
"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches." - Benjamin Franklin

== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 3:41 am
From: "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"

In article <R-mdnelu2fdNDezVnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@posted.localnet>,
"Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:

> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]" <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
> wrote in message
> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-DC7412.14352006072008@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
> > In article <_fKdnaM2XZX6n-zVnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@posted.localnet>,
> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
> >> news:lL2ck.99005$102.26145@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >> > Yer Pal Al wrote:
> >> >> On Jul 5, 9:21 pm, "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
> >> >> <lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
> >> >>> In article <2EXbk.184103$fz6.66...@fe08.news.easynews.com>,
> >> >>> Craig R <m...@whee.ls> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Becoming something you're not [was LH] wrote:
> >> >>>>> In article <W5Gdndzsw4vt2e3VnZ2dnUVZ_uidn...@posted.localnet>,
> >> >>>>> "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lord...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>> news:W6-dnTvT1pK7aPLVnZ2dnUVZ_r7inZ2d@cablespeedwa.com...
> >> >>>>>>> "OrangeSFO" <intangible...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>> news:90472b84-f3a1-47b0-911d-b1f2fe121e2b@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.
> >> >>>>>>> com
> >> >>>>>>> ...
> >> >>>>>>>> Republicans...they want more babies...but they don't want anyone
> >> >>>>>>>> to
> >> >>>>>>>> fuck.
> >> >>>>>>> Nonsense. They just don't want women to enjoy it.
> >> >>>>>> Completely wrong. They want all couples to be married before
> >> >>>>>> having
> >> >>>>>> sex,
> >> >>>>>> thereby ensuring that the MAN won't enjoy it.
> >> >>>>> Marriage is a sham.
> >> >>>> Recently divorced?
> >> >>> Worse. Parents stayed together until I was 18. That and the whole
> >> >>> problem of it being a way to control the animalistic populace.
> >> >>
> >> >> You didn't want your parents to stay together?
> >> >>
> >> >> Children in single parent families are more likely to do poorly in
> >> >> school, drop-out, take drugs, get involved in crime and have children
> >> >> out of wedlock.
> >> >>
> >> >> Did you suffer from any of these pitfalls?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> > Better a single parent with time and sanity to care about the kids,
> >>
> >> No such thing. They may mean well, don't get me wrong, but parenting is a
> >> two person, two GENDER job. And I don't give a damn about the politics of
> >> the situation, the fact is men and women bring different abilities to the
> >> table and children benefit from them both. Rather than saying that angry
> >> couples should or should not stay together "for the children", I say the
> >> dumb selfish bastards shouldn't have had the kid(s) to begin with.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Two gender job eh? So you are saying same sex couples can be the two
> > parents if one is masculine and the other is feminine. That lib talk
> > there, buddy.
>
> Gender is more than role playing.
>
>

Nobody said anything about roleplaying you flipflopping lib.

--
Emm Oh Oh En. That spells RSPW.

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 7:41 am
From: "the Bede"

"Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:0Yjck.4439$np7.296@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com...
>
> "the Bede" <rspwsownthebede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:o7jck.22304$3F5.19072@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>> news:9_ick.9923$89.5945@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>
>>> "aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
>>> news:WI9ck.196063$SV4.76662@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>> Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback! wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:lL2ck.99005$102.26145@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>>>> Yer Pal Al wrote:
>>>> (snip)
>>>>>> Better a single parent with time and sanity to care about the kids,
>>>>>
>>>>> No such thing. They may mean well, don't get me wrong, but parenting
>>>>> is a two person, two GENDER job. And I don't give a damn about the
>>>>> politics of the situation, the fact is men and women bring different
>>>>> abilities to the table and children benefit from them both. Rather
>>>>> than saying that angry couples should or should not stay together "for
>>>>> the children", I say the dumb selfish bastards shouldn't have had the
>>>>> kid(s) to begin with.
>>>>>
>>>> Well, you're preaching to the choir on that one- a significant
>>>> percentage of the people shacking up/marrying and having kids are not
>>>> competent to perform any of those duties. Except for the small matter
>>>> of there not being anyone competent to sit in judgment about people's
>>>> skill sets, I'd say that having kids should require a training course
>>>> and getting a license.
>>>>
>>>> But reproduction, like love and lust, is by definition an irrational
>>>> process. The genes want what the genes want. And once the kids are
>>>> there, you don't get a do-over. You have to make do as best you can.
>>>>
>>>> But I still say a single parent household is better than a broken
>>>> 2-parent household. BTDT, from the kid side. Once they only saw each
>>>> other a few hours a month, they got along a lot better. And both of
>>>> them were able to devote quality time to us young ones. The older kids,
>>>> separated from us younger ones by several years, said it was traumatic
>>>> as hell to be going through adolescence in a battle zone.
>>>
>>> If you're concerned about the population, why not start by kicking out
>>> 20,000,000 illegal immigrants?
>>>
>>> Irish Mike
>>>
>>>
>> yeah, send Paddy back to Cork!
>
> Which part of "illegal" didn't you understand? BTW, I'm from Kerry, you
> stupid ass wipe.
>
> Irish Mike
>
"kerry" is a girl's name.

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 8:24 am
From: "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!"

"Becoming something you're not [was LH]" <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
wrote in message
news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-41353C.06411107072008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net...
> In article <R-mdnelu2fdNDezVnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@posted.localnet>,
> "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
>> wrote in message
>> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-DC7412.14352006072008@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
>> > In article <_fKdnaM2XZX6n-zVnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@posted.localnet>,
>> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:lL2ck.99005$102.26145@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> >> > Yer Pal Al wrote:
>> >> >> On Jul 5, 9:21 pm, "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>> >> >> <lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> In article <2EXbk.184103$fz6.66...@fe08.news.easynews.com>,
>> >> >>> Craig R <m...@whee.ls> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> Becoming something you're not [was LH] wrote:
>> >> >>>>> In article <W5Gdndzsw4vt2e3VnZ2dnUVZ_uidn...@posted.localnet>,
>> >> >>>>> "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lord...@yahoo.com>
>> >> >>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>> >> >>>>>> news:W6-dnTvT1pK7aPLVnZ2dnUVZ_r7inZ2d@cablespeedwa.com...
>> >> >>>>>>> "OrangeSFO" <intangible...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> >>>>>>> news:90472b84-f3a1-47b0-911d-b1f2fe121e2b@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.
>> >> >>>>>>> com
>> >> >>>>>>> ...
>> >> >>>>>>>> Republicans...they want more babies...but they don't want
>> >> >>>>>>>> anyone
>> >> >>>>>>>> to
>> >> >>>>>>>> fuck.
>> >> >>>>>>> Nonsense. They just don't want women to enjoy it.
>> >> >>>>>> Completely wrong. They want all couples to be married before
>> >> >>>>>> having
>> >> >>>>>> sex,
>> >> >>>>>> thereby ensuring that the MAN won't enjoy it.
>> >> >>>>> Marriage is a sham.
>> >> >>>> Recently divorced?
>> >> >>> Worse. Parents stayed together until I was 18. That and the
>> >> >>> whole
>> >> >>> problem of it being a way to control the animalistic populace.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You didn't want your parents to stay together?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Children in single parent families are more likely to do poorly in
>> >> >> school, drop-out, take drugs, get involved in crime and have
>> >> >> children
>> >> >> out of wedlock.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Did you suffer from any of these pitfalls?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> > Better a single parent with time and sanity to care about the kids,
>> >>
>> >> No such thing. They may mean well, don't get me wrong, but parenting
>> >> is a
>> >> two person, two GENDER job. And I don't give a damn about the politics
>> >> of
>> >> the situation, the fact is men and women bring different abilities to
>> >> the
>> >> table and children benefit from them both. Rather than saying that
>> >> angry
>> >> couples should or should not stay together "for the children", I say
>> >> the
>> >> dumb selfish bastards shouldn't have had the kid(s) to begin with.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Two gender job eh? So you are saying same sex couples can be the two
>> > parents if one is masculine and the other is feminine. That lib talk
>> > there, buddy.
>>
>> Gender is more than role playing.
>>
>>
>
> Nobody said anything about roleplaying you flipflopping lib.

Are you stupid or just contradictory?

LG
--
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be.

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 10:20 am
From: Yer Pal Al

On Jul 6, 11:33 am, "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
<lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
> In article
> <23fc62fb-da71-4031-a79a-86127bd93...@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> Yer Pal Al <Caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 6, 5:42 am, "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
> > <lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
> > > In article <lL2ck.99005$102.26...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
>
> > > aemeijers <aemeij...@att.net> wrote:
> > > > Yer Pal Al wrote:
> > > > > On Jul 5, 9:21 pm, "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
> > > > > <lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
> > > > >> In article <2EXbk.184103$fz6.66...@fe08.news.easynews.com>,
> > > > >> Craig R <m...@whee.ls> wrote:
>
> > > > >>> Becoming something you're not [was LH] wrote:
> > > > >>>> In article <W5Gdndzsw4vt2e3VnZ2dnUVZ uidn...@posted.localnet>,
> > > > >>>> "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lord...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > >>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> > > > >>>>>news:W6-dnTvT1pK7aPLVnZ2dnUVZ r7in...@cablespeedwa.com...
> > > > >>>>>> "OrangeSFO" <intangible...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > >>>>>>news:90472b84-f3a1-47b0-911d-b1f2fe121e2b@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.c
> > > > >>>>>>om.
> > > > >>>>>> ..
> > > > >>>>>>> Republicans...they want more babies...but they don't want anyone
> > > > >>>>>>> to
> > > > >>>>>>> fuck.
> > > > >>>>>> Nonsense. They just don't want women to enjoy it.
> > > > >>>>> Completely wrong. They want all couples to be married before having
> > > > >>>>> sex,
> > > > >>>>> thereby ensuring that the MAN won't enjoy it.
> > > > >>>> Marriage is a sham.
> > > > >>> Recently divorced?
> > > > >> Worse. Parents stayed together until I was 18. That and the whole
> > > > >> problem of it being a way to control the animalistic populace.
>
> > > > > You didn't want your parents to stay together?
>
> > > > > Children in single parent families are more likely to do poorly in
> > > > > school, drop-out, take drugs, get involved in crime and have children
> > > > > out of wedlock.
>
> > > > > Did you suffer from any of these pitfalls?
>
> > > > Better a single parent with time and sanity to care about the kids, than
> > > > a couple locked in battle royal and other melodrama (like ten years of
> > > > icy silence to each other), to the point where the kids hide under their
> > > > beds, or worse, are simply invisible. Not to mention the usual villains
> > > > of one parent being a drunk or druggie, or abusive. Sure, a reasonably
> > > > happy and stable 2-parent household where the kids have a model of what
> > > > an adult relationship is supposed to be like, is best. But if that isn't
> > > > happening, yes, the kids are better off with just the saner parent, or
> > > > elsewhere. 'Staying together for the kids' is almost always a crock. Not
> > > > saying people shouldn't give their marriages an honest effort, but once
> > > > it fails, be realistic.
>
> > > Exactly. Marriages are a sham. Just like religion and government.
>
> > So you are OK with the trend - especially with blacks, which is now
> > over 50% - to have more single parent households?
>
> I never said anything about single-parent households. Just marriages.

If everyone was as cynical about marriage as you would there be more
or less single parent households?

== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 12:36 pm
From: "Irish Mike"

"the Bede" <rspwsownthebede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JSpck.29897$s77.17237@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> news:0Yjck.4439$np7.296@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com...
>>
>> "the Bede" <rspwsownthebede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:o7jck.22304$3F5.19072@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>>>
>>> "Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>>> news:9_ick.9923$89.5945@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>
>>>> "aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:WI9ck.196063$SV4.76662@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>>> Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback! wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:lL2ck.99005$102.26145@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>>>>> Yer Pal Al wrote:
>>>>> (snip)
>>>>>>> Better a single parent with time and sanity to care about the kids,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No such thing. They may mean well, don't get me wrong, but parenting
>>>>>> is a two person, two GENDER job. And I don't give a damn about the
>>>>>> politics of the situation, the fact is men and women bring different
>>>>>> abilities to the table and children benefit from them both. Rather
>>>>>> than saying that angry couples should or should not stay together
>>>>>> "for the children", I say the dumb selfish bastards shouldn't have
>>>>>> had the kid(s) to begin with.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Well, you're preaching to the choir on that one- a significant
>>>>> percentage of the people shacking up/marrying and having kids are not
>>>>> competent to perform any of those duties. Except for the small matter
>>>>> of there not being anyone competent to sit in judgment about people's
>>>>> skill sets, I'd say that having kids should require a training course
>>>>> and getting a license.
>>>>>
>>>>> But reproduction, like love and lust, is by definition an irrational
>>>>> process. The genes want what the genes want. And once the kids are
>>>>> there, you don't get a do-over. You have to make do as best you can.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I still say a single parent household is better than a broken
>>>>> 2-parent household. BTDT, from the kid side. Once they only saw each
>>>>> other a few hours a month, they got along a lot better. And both of
>>>>> them were able to devote quality time to us young ones. The older
>>>>> kids, separated from us younger ones by several years, said it was
>>>>> traumatic as hell to be going through adolescence in a battle zone.
>>>>
>>>> If you're concerned about the population, why not start by kicking out
>>>> 20,000,000 illegal immigrants?
>>>>
>>>> Irish Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>> yeah, send Paddy back to Cork!
>>
>> Which part of "illegal" didn't you understand? BTW, I'm from Kerry, you
>> stupid ass wipe.
>>
>> Irish Mike
>>
> "kerry" is a girl's name.

Only in your trailer park.

Irish Mike
>
>

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 3:12 am
From: billimmelman@yahoo.com

On Jul 6, 10:30 pm, "guybanniste...@aol.com" <guybanniste...@aol.com>
wrote:
> The next time you receive your electricity, gas or phone bill don't
> just discard the flyers and other inserts included in the envelope.
>
> Instead, read through some of them and you'll be intriduced to an
> array of programs established to pay the energy and phone bills of
> illegal aliens ... er, "low-income consumers." The ironic thing -- at
> least here in Southern California, anyway (although I suspect it holds
> true thoughout the country) is that tucked right under the electric
> etc. companies' colorful, illustrated notices touting special programs
> to provide "low-income" illegal aliens with free services are often
> dry-looking, text-filled black-and-white notices to non-"low-income"
> customers that the company has applied to raise the non-"low-income"
> customers rates.
>
> For example, even as they apply for more rate increases, the
> Southern California Gas Company mainatins full-scale web pages showing-
> off all the programs it maintains to pay illegal aliens' energy bills
> at a time when Americans themselves are being killed financially by
> sky-high energy rates. See, for example, the California Alternate
> Rates for Energy (CARE) Program athttp://www.socalgas.com/residential/assistance/care/index.html.
>
> All one need do to be eligible to receive a whopping 20% discount
> and other reductions on their energy bills is to receive Food Stamps
> or WIC benefits from the government, something which the vast majority
> of illegal aliens DO. (The government sends the illegal alien parents
> the Food Stamps and WIC benefits on the premise that "the benefits are
> only for the children, not their illegal alien parents" (wink). That's
> why everytime I shop at Wal-Mart Supercenter I see non-English-
> speaking illegals buying the most-expensive name-brand products while
> citizens such as my family are reduced to pinching pennies by buying
> the cheaper generic and off-brand versions.)
>
> You see -- and every struggling Americans needs to be made aware of
> this -- in the United States *any* illegal alien can claim to be "low-
> income" and receive virtually *any* benefit or service available. On
> the other hand, hard-working, law-abiding American citizens are shut-
> out of the same programs.
>
> How does this happen?
>
> Simple: No one -- not the electric, gas or phone companies nor the
> school employee who accepts illegal aliens' applications for free
> breakfasts and lunches for their anchor babies nor even the police
> themselves have any idea of what the real incomes of illegal aliens
> are.
>
> And you wondered how the same illegal alien families which own gas-
> guzzling $50,000 SUV's and other luxuries manage to receive Food
> Stamps and get their kids on the federal free breakfast/lunch program?
>
> Note: I noticed the other morning that one of the local high schools
> now has a sign erected in front of the main entrance advertising -- in
> Spanish -- that free breakfasta and lunches are being served now while
> school is out. Ironically, this is the *same* high school from which,
> as per the local newspaper, hundreds of anchor babies left school and
> boisterously marched through the streets two years ago demanding
> amnesty for illegal aliens, at one point engaging in a foul-mouthed,
> defiant stand-off with the local police.
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> What Would the U.S.A.'s Founding Fathers Do?
>
> If the representatives of the people betray their constituents,
> there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that
> original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive
> forms of government ... The citizens must rush tumultuously to
> arms, without concert, without system, without resource;
> except in their courage and despair ...
>
> The natural strength of the people in a large community, in
> proportion to the artificial strength of the government, is greater
> than in a small ... the people, without exaggeration, may be said
> to be entirely the masters of their own fate.
> -- Alexander Hamilton
>
> We in America do not have government by the majority.
> We have government by the majority who participate.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good
> conscience to remain silent.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of
> the people alone. The people themselves are its only safe
> depositories.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to
> keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves
> against tyranny in government.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> As our enemies have found we can reason like men, so now
> let us show them we can fight like men also.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Don't talk about what you have done or what you are going
> to do.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the
> Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act! Action will
> delineate and define you.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on
> does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which
> they draw their gains.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied
> corporations which dare already to challenge our government to
> a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our
> liberties than standing armies.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government
> those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations,
> perverted it into tyranny.
> -- Thomas Jefferson

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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 5:39 am
From: "h"

"Jeff" <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote in message
news:_PGdnR-dc-u5PuzVnZ2dnUVZ_ovinZ2d@earthlink.com...
> Gary Heston wrote:
>> In article <xNWdnUjHecDLFvLVnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>> Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
>>> JonquilJan wrote:
>> [ ... ]
>>>> I do. Have the thermostat set at 64 - this past winter. With age
>>>> (69) and
>>>> disability/mobility problems increasing - just can't take the 58 I had
>>>> it at
>>>> a few years ago. I do layer clothing and frequently wear a knit hat.
>>>> My
>>>> very old home (pre 1850) has been insulated as much as possible - other
>>>> than
>>>> building a stud wall on the inside of the walls (vertical thick plank
>>>> walls)
>>>> can't do much more.
>>
>>> Is there any insulation in the walls? There's a variety of ways to do
>>> this, the cheapest by far is blown in cellulose. I'm a huge fan of that
>>> since I did my 1920 home.
>>
>> You can't put insulation into "thick plank walls", they're solid wood.
>
> You may be right, but I read this differently than you do. I can't say
> that I've seen a house of that era that had vertical plank walls that was
> completely solid. Building styles vary depending on access to materials
> but I would be surprised if her walls were solid.
>

I would. I'd expect they're just like mine (1815 or so). I've got 4x4 studs
12-15" apart, with brick and mortar filling the entire space in between.
Over that is shiplap, then clapboards. Not exactly possible to blow anything
in.

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 5:46 am
From: George

Jeff wrote:
> Gary Heston wrote:
>> In article <xNWdnUjHecDLFvLVnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>> Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
>>> JonquilJan wrote:
>> [ ... ]
>>>> I do. Have the thermostat set at 64 - this past winter. With age
>>>> (69) and
>>>> disability/mobility problems increasing - just can't take the 58 I
>>>> had it at
>>>> a few years ago. I do layer clothing and frequently wear a knit
>>>> hat. My
>>>> very old home (pre 1850) has been insulated as much as possible -
>>>> other than
>>>> building a stud wall on the inside of the walls (vertical thick
>>>> plank walls)
>>>> can't do much more.
>>
>>> Is there any insulation in the walls? There's a variety of ways to do
>>> this, the cheapest by far is blown in cellulose. I'm a huge fan of
>>> that since I did my 1920 home.
>>
>> You can't put insulation into "thick plank walls", they're solid wood.
>
> You may be right, but I read this differently than you do. I can't say
> that I've seen a house of that era that had vertical plank walls that
> was completely solid. Building styles vary depending on access to
> materials but I would be surprised if her walls were solid.
>
> Jeff

Solid plank walls are not all that unusual in old homes. The better ones
had double planking run at diagonals for strength and were commonly
called "double boarded".

>
>>
>> Now, if you want to go build the stud walls on the inside of the planks,
>> as Jan indicated would be necessary, then install insulation and drywall,
>> at your expense, I suspect Jan would be glad to hear from you.
>>
>>
>> Gary
>>

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 7:33 am
From: zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com (GregS)

In article <f2bf0bee-a033-4e12-813d-bfac9bb8c0f7@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, Ron Peterson <ron@shell.core.com> wrote:
>On Jul 2, 8:15=A0am, "Bill" <billnomailnosp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> It seems heating oil prices for next winter are going through the roof!
>
>Convert to natural gas. It's cheaper, cleaner, and the utility can't
>cut you off.
>

Some people can't get gas except propane. Geothermal heat pump is the way
to go. I wish I had one. If I had more info I might have tried to install one myself.

I had oil for one season. That cost me about $1000 for the winter. I save a little
since I had a gas line installed and use natural gas. New line, furnace, air, hot water
heater for about $5500. My electric is cheap. Just wish I had the geopump.

Man that oil furnace used to pump out 160 degree heat from the vents, or what ever
the overtemp setting was. Two of the cold air returns were blocked by rugs when I moved
in. I also insreased fan speed. That oil furnace was 55 years old and still working. Could
burn type I or II fuel.

greg

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 9:59 am
From: nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu

"JonquilJan" <ward39@imcnet.net> wrote:

> wondering about heating this next winter...

How about solar heat from a commercial plastic film greenhouse perpendicular
to the east or west side of the house on the south side? For $1K and 3 days
labor you can have a 14'x96' solar hot air collector...

Nick

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 10:11 am
From: nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu

Gary Heston <gheston@hiwaay.net> wrote:

>I suppose you could carpet the walls; a layer of Tyvek HomeWrap under it would
>cut down on air infiltration and not cause moisture buildup.

I think carpet would only add R1 at best, and it seems to me the vapor barrier
should be on the warm side. One might glue 2x6 studs on 2' centers on-edge to
the walls with a can of foam and put 6" R19 fiberglass insulation between them
and staple poly film or foil or nail thin foil-polyiso foamboard over that.

Nick

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 10:14 am
From: nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu

krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

>Any energy you put into latent heat will come back later.

Latent heat, as in evaporation?

>As long as you don't get condensation mold shouldn't be an issue.

To avoid mold, keep the RH below 60%.

Nick

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 11:29 am
From: zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com (GregS)

In article <486ee098$0$75566$38cefb40@news.westelcom.com>, "JonquilJan" <ward39@imcnet.net> wrote:
>wondering about heating this next winter. right now, I have forced air with
>a propane furnace. Furnace new this past season. Very old house (pre 1850)
>which has been insulated as much as possible (vertical very thick plank
>walls - would have to build stud wall on the inside to put in more
>insulation )
>
>thinking of closing off more than I have already (2nd floor entirely closed
>off) and using heavy drapes/curtain/blankets to enclose the living room and
>adjacent bedroom - which would be the only rooms with open registers - other
>than the bathroom - and supplementing with a kerosene heater (which I have
>had for 25 years). But considering that the rooms would be closed/curtained
>off - with reduced air flow - thinking also one of the oil filled electric
>heater might be safer. If power goes (which it can) would open the curtains
>and use the kero heater. Last winter I had the thermostat at 64. I am
>disabled - 69 - and having increasing problems with mobility and keeping
>warm.
>
>Pay about $4000 a year for propane - heat and cooking only. Hot water
>heater is electric - new at the same time as the furnace - and has only
>raised my electric bill about $10 a month - so far. I expect propane will
>be much, much more costly this next heating season.
>
>Suggestions - ideas. I live in northern New York state.
>
>JonquilJan
>
>Learn something new every day
>As long as you are learning, you are living
>When you stop learning, you start dying

As far as heat loss, if you can't do it your self, hire someone that can give
your homes heat loss with thermal imaging and drafting, etc.

Insulating is something I basically constantly do, every year figuring out
what to do next. You didn't mention whats on the outside, wood, shingle, siding, brick ?

greg

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 11:34 am
From: zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com (GregS)

In article <g4tnb1$25u$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com (GregS) wrote:
>In article <486ee098$0$75566$38cefb40@news.westelcom.com>, "JonquilJan"
> <ward39@imcnet.net> wrote:
>>wondering about heating this next winter. right now, I have forced air with
>>a propane furnace. Furnace new this past season. Very old house (pre 1850)
>>which has been insulated as much as possible (vertical very thick plank
>>walls - would have to build stud wall on the inside to put in more
>>insulation )
>>
>>thinking of closing off more than I have already (2nd floor entirely closed
>>off) and using heavy drapes/curtain/blankets to enclose the living room and
>>adjacent bedroom - which would be the only rooms with open registers - other
>>than the bathroom - and supplementing with a kerosene heater (which I have
>>had for 25 years). But considering that the rooms would be closed/curtained
>>off - with reduced air flow - thinking also one of the oil filled electric
>>heater might be safer. If power goes (which it can) would open the curtains
>>and use the kero heater. Last winter I had the thermostat at 64. I am
>>disabled - 69 - and having increasing problems with mobility and keeping
>>warm.
>>
>>Pay about $4000 a year for propane - heat and cooking only. Hot water
>>heater is electric - new at the same time as the furnace - and has only
>>raised my electric bill about $10 a month - so far. I expect propane will
>>be much, much more costly this next heating season.
>>
>>Suggestions - ideas. I live in northern New York state.
>>
>>JonquilJan
>>
>>Learn something new every day
>>As long as you are learning, you are living
>>When you stop learning, you start dying
>
>As far as heat loss, if you can't do it your self, hire someone that can give
>your homes heat loss with thermal imaging and drafting, etc.
>
>Insulating is something I basically constantly do, every year figuring out
>what to do next. You didn't mention whats on the outside, wood, shingle,
> siding, brick ?

Forgot to ask if you have a basement.

Yes, electric can be cheaper than kerosene by a mile.
I think the oil filled ones are safest. Fans and radiant heaters have more fire problems.

>
>greg

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 10:38 am
From: James

On Jul 5, 6:37 pm, max <betat...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> In article <20080705134204.ffb4ea97.no...@nohow.not>,
>
> Dave <no...@nohow.not> wrote:
> > If you are interested in free wifi, there are several chains that offer
> > truly free wifi. Panera bread for example. But don't bother with
> > McDonald's, it is not free.
>
> I'd like to reiterate, in case anyone missed it: PANERA WIFI IS FREE!
> No BS, works great.
>
> <http://www.wififreespot.com/il.html> is a goo starting place. Not
> wholly up-to-date (i.e. it doesn't list all the Panera locations), but
> useful. Most public libraries have free wifi.
>
> --
> This signature can be appended to your outgoing mesages. Many people include in
> their signatures contact information, and perhaps a joke or quotation.

Damn! I just found out that my local library about 2 miles away had
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