Frugal Living: Jul 28, 2008

Monday, July 28, 2008

25 new messages in 10 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Hot Air
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f80610848bbbd92b?hl=en
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 9:31 am
From: George Grapman

clams_casino wrote:
> Dave the sham spammer wrote:
>
> <snipped>

Take it as a compliment when the spammers get upset.

== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 9:52 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

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"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice
cannot sleep forever."--Thomas Jefferson

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide
everything." -- Josef V. Stalin

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heavy on the country music. if you don't like country, scroll down for
some surprises.

"Dave" <djensen36@cox.net> wrote in message
news:90ec3f9d-1dd2-4f73-a1dc-16ba29dc2086@1g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 28, 9:07 am, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> Dave the sham spammer wrote:
>
> <snipped>

What a putz you are "Clams." There are a zillion "Nike shoes for less"
posts on your forum and you object to an article of interest to
anyone, just because it has a link to other articles? There are no
ads, no commercial sponsors, and no agenda's other than to spread
health information. Good luck finding a spam element to that.

Dave

and even if there were ads and sponsors, the info is important to know.

== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 11:08 am
From: Dave

On Jul 28, 9:31 am, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> clams_casino wrote:
> > Dave the sham spammer wrote:
>
> > <snipped>
>
> Take it as a compliment when the spammers get upset.

George, please take a moment to reply here. I'm not upset - I'm just
seeking information.
"Spammers" don't participate in your forum, or ask questions
respectfully. I've been reading and posting to threads here for about
18 months.

Please, tell me exactly what element you consider to be spam in my
message? There's an article clipped, in full (no teasers, etc) and
then there is a link to the site where it comes from, just as you
might put a link to a blog, news site or wherever anything comes from
that someone clips and pastes here. If you used that link, which you
don't need to do because it was posted in its entirety, you wouldn't
find sponsor ads, spyware or any free offers, etc. Just a bunch of
similar articles, on different topics.

Please respond in the same respectful manner, which I know I won't get
from Clams, and tell me where this post represents "spam."

Thanks, Dave

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 11:20 am
From: George Grapman

Dave wrote:
> On Jul 28, 9:31 am, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
>> clams_casino wrote:
>>> Dave the sham spammer wrote:
>>> <snipped>
>> Take it as a compliment when the spammers get upset.
>
> George, please take a moment to reply here. I'm not upset - I'm just
> seeking information.
> "Spammers" don't participate in your forum, or ask questions
> respectfully. I've been reading and posting to threads here for about
> 18 months.
>
> Please, tell me exactly what element you consider to be spam in my
> message? There's an article clipped, in full (no teasers, etc) and
> then there is a link to the site where it comes from, just as you
> might put a link to a blog, news site or wherever anything comes from
> that someone clips and pastes here. If you used that link, which you
> don't need to do because it was posted in its entirety, you wouldn't
> find sponsor ads, spyware or any free offers, etc. Just a bunch of
> similar articles, on different topics.
>
> Please respond in the same respectful manner, which I know I won't get
> from Clams, and tell me where this post represents "spam."
>
> Thanks, Dave

1- I do not have a forum.
2- If clams upsets you simply kill file him. I did that to both Rod
Speed and his obsessed tormentor, William, some time ago and it made
this group a more pleasant place for me.
3- clams does a good job of pointing out fraud

== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 11:37 am
From: Dave

On Jul 28, 11:20 am, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> Dave wrote:
> > On Jul 28, 9:31 am, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> >> clams_casino wrote:
> >>> Dave the sham spammer wrote:
> >>> <snipped>
> >> Take it as a compliment when the spammers get upset.
>
> > George, please take a moment to reply here. I'm not upset - I'm just
> > seeking information.
> > "Spammers" don't participate in your forum, or ask questions
> > respectfully. I've been reading and posting to threads here for about
> > 18 months.
>
> > Please, tell me exactly what element you consider to be spam in my
> > message? There's an article clipped, in full (no teasers, etc) and
> > then there is a link to the site where it comes from, just as you
> > might put a link to a blog, news site or wherever anything comes from
> > that someone clips and pastes here. If you used that link, which you
> > don't need to do because it was posted in its entirety, you wouldn't
> > find sponsor ads, spyware or any free offers, etc. Just a bunch of
> > similar articles, on different topics.
>
> > Please respond in the same respectful manner, which I know I won't get
> > from Clams, and tell me where this post represents "spam."
>
> > Thanks, Dave
>
> 1- I do not have a forum.
> 2- If clams upsets you simply kill file him. I did that to both Rod
> Speed and his obsessed tormentor, William, some time ago and it made
> this group a more pleasant place for me.
> 3- clams does a good job of pointing out fraud

I think you know I mean "this discussion" when I said "forum." Sorry.

I like to read everyone's posts. Even if someone is a bit of a troll,
I just pass up reading their stuff. But I didn't understand why a
regular poster like you would chime in and say that I was somehow
posting spam? Just didn't make sense to me. Your note above really
doesn't explain it. Yes, Clams points out fraud when he nails the
umpteenth "Nike shoes" poster, but what specifically was wrong with my
article about air fresheners?

Dave

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 12:29 pm
From: clams_casino

Dave the spammer wrote:

> you object to an article of interest to
>anyone, just because it has a link to other articles? There are no
>ads, no commercial sponsors, and no agenda's other than to spread
>health information. Good luck finding a spam element to that.
>
>
>
>
That's easy - your sole motivation is is promote (SPAM) your own blog.

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 12:33 pm
From: clams_casino

Dave the spammer wrote:

>
>Please, tell me exactly what element you consider to be spam in my
>message? There's an article clipped, in full (no teasers, etc) and
>then there is a link to the site where it comes from
>
Well Duh - it's a link to YOUR blog ........ Or is that simply a
coincidence?

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 12:57 pm
From: Dave

Clams the Internet Troll wrote . . .

On Jul 28, 12:33 pm, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com>
wrote:
> Dave the spammer wrote:
>
> >Please, tell me exactly what element you consider to be spam in my
> >message? There's an article clipped, in full (no teasers, etc) and
> >then there is a link to the site where it comes from
>
> Well Duh - it's a link to YOUR blog ........ Or is that simply a
> coincidence?

Anytime something is posted to the Internet, an article or reference,
I want to know EXACTLY where it came from. There's too much garbage
out there, as an Internet policeman like you already knows. So, if
someone posts a news story about Obama did this, or John McCain said
this, I need to know what the source is in order to understand and
believe it. (While I may not believe it, at least I'll have some
filter to put the information through). If it is sourced from CNN or
MSNBC, I'll have my own viewpoint of the value of that "news" versus
whether it comes from some political blogger, etc.

Same with news of the sort that I am interested in. I read everything
that I can about health and health-related topics, and oftentimes I
repost press releases where I believe they have merit. Some of what I
read elsewhere on the net gets me interested, and I am really ticked
off when the poster clips something and then does NOT show the source
of the article. Even worse, I hate it when people DO spam the net and
put up little snippets of information herein, simply to get your
interest in order to send you to a commercial website. "Read how
Vitamin D cures cancer," and then you see only a paragraph with this
outrageous claim and yet when you click on it all you get to read is a
few sentences and some ads trying to sell you a miracle product.

When I write something, I list the journal reference in my piece or
the source of the news release. And then I go further, to post the
ENTIRE article on the usenet, so that no one necessarily "needs" to go
further. But, for those (like me) who are obsessed about knowing
something about the poster, they CAN click on the link shown (if they
want) and they can see my identity, my biographical sketch, and read
more on the same subject by doing a search of the hundreds of other
pieces that I've written and archived on the same site. Blogs are
essentially ego-trips, and I am sure that mine is no different. Some
blogs take the ego trip and couple it with a bunch of Google ads, or
large ads from companies. Mine is free from that influence; just a
listing of each and every health-oriented article I've placed therein.

I won't allow someone else (you?) who I don't know to limit what
reaches me by the usenet, try as hard as you want to do that. You can
easily see my identity, even my picture and biography, if you want.
For anyone here who wants to know more about who this "Clams" is, our
self-professed censor and Internet policeman, they'd have hell to pay
to learn ANYTHING, let alone your identity. That's probably not a
stupid idea on your part, with as many net enemies as you must
accumulate via your name calling.

Dave

== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 1:52 pm
From: "ChairMan"

In news:Y5pjk.2715$yn5.2322@newsfe08.iad,
clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com>spewed forth:
> Dave the spammer wrote:
>
>> you object to an article of interest to
>> anyone, just because it has a link to other articles? There are no
>> ads, no commercial sponsors, and no agenda's other than to spread
>> health information. Good luck finding a spam element to that.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> That's easy - your sole motivation is is promote (SPAM) your own blog.

1. You have absolutely no idea what his SOLE motivation is
2. A blog does not necessarily mean spam.
3. There is not one ad for anything on his blog, none, zip, nada
4. his intro sez "No-holds-barred discussion of what works, and what doesn't
work, from both a pharmaceutical as well as alternative healthcare
perspective. These articles are gathered from multiple sources by a 25-year
health industry insider."

I think you need another hobby, besides being an ass.

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TOPIC: Why not refrigerate everything?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e6e88cae50da47d8?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 9:54 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Sue Bilkens" <sueb@incus.com> wrote in message
news:odsr84ll80u3s7s18jg7m59jfkqgfa6og7@4ax.com...
>
> when I lived in a cockroach infested building all food went int he fridge
> where
> the cock roaches can't get into
>
>
> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:20:36 -0500, in misc.consumers.frugal-living
> me@privacy.net wrote:
>
>>Why not refrigerate everything?
>>
>>I live in an apartment and the fridge is supplied by
>>the landlord but on the small side to say the least.
>>
>>However, I've been thinking act buying a small freezer
>>to supplant the fridge and give me the ability to store
>>more foods in bulk. I live alone so don't need a HUGE
>>freezer..... maybe 7 cu foot.
>>
>>But I had what may be and even better idea.... what
>>would be wrong with refrigerating EVRYTHING except can
>>goods?
>>
>>I could buy another fridge with built in freezer and
>>get additional freezer space..... but also get
>>additional fridge space where I could store boxes of
>>cereal, oatmeal, and other things you normally don't
>>think act storing in a fridge.
>>
>>What you think act my idea? Do many out there put
>>things in a fridge that doesn't normally go in
>>there..... granola bars, cereals, breads?
>>
>>Or am I best to just buy a small freezer ONLY and
>>forget act the extra fridge space?
>
well, it'll run up your electric bill. fridge is supposed to
be the main user.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 10:14 am
From: me@privacy.net

Sue Bilkens <sueb@incus.com> wrote:

>when I lived in a cockroach infested building all food went int he fridge where
>the cock roaches can't get into

Ha!

That was another reason why I was thinking abt a fridge
for everything..... BUGS!!

I have me too here!

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TOPIC: How to stop debt collectors from calling?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 10:16 am
From: ranck@vt.edu

h <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote:

> We had a similar problem with a local hospital. We were getting 5-6
> appointment reminder calls a day for various people we'd never heard of,

> day. We finally ended up talking to the guy who programmed the automated
> dial-out and he figured out that whenever it didn't have a valid phone
> number for the patient, his program was putting in our number. The truly

Probably it was the phone number (in another area code) of the software's
programmer, or the programmer's ex-girlfriend, or something stupid like that.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

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TOPIC: WARNING RE PURITAN'S PRIDE SHIPPMENTS
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d7d3e0a5dbac9a4f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 10:35 am
From: Billy

In article <g6kau5$60b$1@aioe.org>, "h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com>
wrote:

> "RF" <RF@NoDen.con> wrote in message
> news:6f51nfF9op4tU1@mid.individual.net...
> > idesofmarch wrote:
> >> Don't count on getting your Puritan's Pride vitamins/supplements order
> >> on time; in good condition, since their main method of shipping is UPS
> >> (united parcel service) UPS has repeatedly ignored instructions to
> >> require a signature to ensure
> >> delivery to the right party, leaves stuff with neighbors anyways. My
> >> last order of nutritional oils had to be thrown away because the UPS
> >> driver left the stuff in the sun (on purpose I suspect, following my
> >> complaints to UPS). Faxes to the CEO of Puritan's Pride, Scott Rudolf
> >> (German SS? ha!) has
> >> been ignored about this issue. Apparently, he does not give a sh*t. If
> >> anyone knows a better supplier with better shipping please post here.
> >
>
> FedEx ground is the worst. It might be their procedures, it might just be a
> moron driver. This doofus leaves packages in the middle of the driveway
> because "People want to find their stuff when they get home from work."
> Okay. However, since I work at home, my parcels are addressed to a business,
> there is a separate business door with a sign and a covered porch, how about
> leaving the boxes there? There's a sign on all four doors of my home
> indicating that packages should be left on the business door porch (first
> doorway you come to). No other carrier (including FedEx overnight) has any
> problem leaving packages on the porch, since it's the easiest, closest, and
> logical place. FedEx ground, however, persists in leaving stuff in the
> middle of the uncovered driveway. I just love finding a sopping wet package
> after 3-4 days. According to the local FedEx office, the driver isn't doing
> anything wrong. Apparently it's ok to just pull into my semi-circular
> driveway, slow down, toss out the package, and then continue on to the next
> delivery. I actually saw the guy do that once - he didn't even come close to
> a complete stop. Once, when the garage door was open (I was unloading
> groceries and the guy must have come while I was inside), a package was
> tossed underneath the car and I didn't find it until after I'd run it over
> the next time I went out. FedEx ground sucks.

Could you folks just delete alt.folklore.herbs from this fascinating
conversation?

Thanks in advance.
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related

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TOPIC: clothesline
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/88c9a73afe4e7729?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 10:48 am
From: "Stephanie"

VERY approximately how long does it take to dry regular clothes on the line?
I am having my husband install a clothesline to lessen our reliance on the
dryer. I want to know if it is nice in the am, but going to be rainy in the
pm, does it make sense to put the clothes out? I am talking order of
magnitude here. It could be an our or 12 hours as far as I know!

Thanks.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 2:08 pm
From: Jeff

Stephanie wrote:
> VERY approximately how long does it take to dry regular clothes on the line?
> I am having my husband install a clothesline to lessen our reliance on the
> dryer. I want to know if it is nice in the am, but going to be rainy in the
> pm, does it make sense to put the clothes out? I am talking order of
> magnitude here. It could be an our or 12 hours as far as I know!

And it could be both!

For most items, a few hours on a somewhat sunny day suffice. Clothes
will dry fine in cold weather as long as you have some sun. A breeze helps.

Heavy weight items take longer. The only killer is damp/wet weather.

If I'm doing several loads, I'm regularly taking items off the line
that I had put on earlier.

Jeff
>
> Thanks.
>
> S
>
>

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 2:17 pm
From: E Z Peaces

Cotton can be especially hard to dry because it's hydrophilic.
Depending on the relative humidity, it may not be completely dry in
several hours. If you have to finish drying with a few minutes in a
dryer, hanging clothes on the line first still saves energy and wear on
the clothes.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 2:32 pm
From: No

On Jul 28, 1:48 pm, "Stephanie" <h...@noway.net> wrote:
> VERY approximately how long does it take to dry regular clothes on the line?
> I am having my husband install a clothesline to lessen our reliance on the
> dryer. I want to know if it is nice in the am, but going to be rainy in the
> pm, does it make sense to put the clothes out? I am talking order of
> magnitude here. It could be an our or 12 hours as far as I know!
>

The other posters mentioned a broad variation of outdoor drying time
and my experience is the same. I have been hanging up my clothes to
dry as pften as possible for over 35 years. I even have a couple of
lengths of short clothesline in the basement for haning things up in
the winter. It all depends on the humidity. I live in an area where
there is a significant Amish polulation and they hang their clothes
out year 'round! One word of caution (and I find this incredibly
amusing in this day of energy conservation): some neighborhoods/
developments have what are variously known as "deed restrictions" or
"deed covenants." If you have one of the aforementioned existing on
your property, you may be in for some civil action from your
neighbors. Other typical deed restricitons are: No parking motorhomes
or trailers in your yard; none of those small steel, utility sheds; or
no cars regularly parked in your driveway (all of them have to be in
the garage). Good luck!

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 10:47 am
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TOPIC: how to survive the heat and cold on a low budget
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ada7c54e5466e89d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 11:24 am
From: Jeff

I haven't seen one for anywhere near that price. Many of the window
AC/heater combos use resistance heating, not a heat pump, for the
heating cycle.

Which units have you found?
>
>
> then at night in the winter set its thermostat to 50F or so, and use a
> matrress warmer.
>
> if you want to run even cheaper in hot weather, put yer easy chair and
> bed near the air conditioner and put the fan ON and set the thermostat
> up to 78F or so... the breeze and dehumidified air will keep you cool.

I've switched my heating/cooling plan. I only heat/cool the rooms I'm
using and I've added insulation to those rooms in particular. I set the
temp to what I want and don't bother with trying to live in a
tool cool or too warm room.

Bills are down and the comfort factor is way up.
>
>
> If you want to save even more, insulate the windows with reflective
> insulation about 1" thick.... blow some extra insulation into the
> attic above the room, insulate the floor of the room under the
> house.....and walk around free bird :).... coolness will ensue.

All great ideas.
Jeff
>
> cheap.
>
>
> Phil scott (hvac contractor)

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TOPIC: How to spend less electricity?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 11:37 am
From: "TKM"

"h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote in message
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>
> "TKM" <noname@no.net> wrote in message
> news:YP_ik.268327$SV4.42520@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>
>> "James" <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:7c60478e-0568-4293-bf6f-c6a5f79ecb5a@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 27, 6:46 am, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:

>> After burning out many CFL bulbs I discovered that if you use them
>> upside down the heat kills the electronics and decreases a 5 year life
>> to a mear several months.
>>
>> Same thing can happen if the CFL is enclosed in a fixture. For maximum
>> life, CFLs should be in open air and burned base down.
>>
>
> Weird. Most of my lights are upside down, in enclosed fixtures, and all of
> the bulbs are CFL. I've never had one last less than 5 years, and most
> last much, much longer.

The CFL manufacturers have done a good job of improving the high-temperature
performance of CFL bulbs and we're all seeing the benefit of that. I
should have included that point in my reply. Nevertheless, higher
temperatures do cause faster deterioration of CFL ballast components with
capacitors being the most susceptible. A classic rule-of-thumb is that a 10
degree (C) increase in component temperature equates to 2X the normal
deterioration rate.

TKM

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 2:48 pm
From: James

On Jul 27, 2:19 pm, "h" <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
> "TKM" <non...@no.net> wrote in message
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> news:YP_ik.268327$SV4.42520@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
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> > "James" <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:7c60478e-0568-4293-bf6f-c6a5f79ecb5a@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jul 27, 6:46 am, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> >> Arumugham wrote:
> >> >Use cold washes in your washing machine and dry clothes outside of
> >> >washing machine as far as possible.
>
> >> I thought you people in India washed your clothing in the river.
>
> > After burning out many CFL bulbs I discovered that if you use them
> > upside down the heat kills the electronics and decreases a 5 year life
> > to a mear several months.
>
> > Same thing can happen if the CFL is enclosed in a fixture. For maximum
> > life, CFLs should be in open air and burned base down.
>
> Weird. Most of my lights are upside down, in enclosed fixtures, and all of
> the bulbs are CFL. I've never had one last less than 5 years, and most last
> much, much longer.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You probably don't have them on hours at a time in a hot 80F house.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 3:29 pm
From: "h"

"James" <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 27, 2:19 pm, "h" <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
> "TKM" <non...@no.net> wrote in message
>
> news:YP_ik.268327$SV4.42520@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
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> > "James" <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:7c60478e-0568-4293-bf6f-c6a5f79ecb5a@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jul 27, 6:46 am, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> >> Arumugham wrote:
> >> >Use cold washes in your washing machine and dry clothes outside of
> >> >washing machine as far as possible.
>
> >> I thought you people in India washed your clothing in the river.
>
> > After burning out many CFL bulbs I discovered that if you use them
> > upside down the heat kills the electronics and decreases a 5 year life
> > to a mear several months.
>
> > Same thing can happen if the CFL is enclosed in a fixture. For maximum
> > life, CFLs should be in open air and burned base down.
>
> Weird. Most of my lights are upside down, in enclosed fixtures, and all of
> the bulbs are CFL. I've never had one last less than 5 years, and most
> last
> much, much longer.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You probably don't have them on hours at a time in a hot 80F house.

Sure do. The lights in the kitchen/great room are on all day and we don't
have AC. It's been pretty steamy here this summer. I do have AC in my work
building, but I only cool to 80F so I don't sweat on the materials. All
upside down enclosed CFLs in there, too, and the lights are on at least 12
hours a day.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 1:00 pm
From: Dennis

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:34:07 -0500, Vic Smith
<thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote:

>Makes you wonder why people are so petty.
>In a residential neighborhood I lived in on the north side of Chicago
>a family - never met them - had 6 or 7 chickens running around their
>fenced front yard. I thought somebody would complain and they'd be
>quickly gone, but they were there for at least a couple years until
>I moved. I liked seeing them there myself.

Living next door to 7 chickens could get a little smelly in the
summer. Also, they could keep a small yard pretty scratched up and
bare looking. Of course it's obvious why someone might not want to
live next to a rooster or two.

Just playing devil's advocate here. We're running somewhere around 50
clucks +- (in a really big rural yard).

Dennis (evil)
--
I'm a hands-on, footloose, knee-jerk head case. -George Carlin

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 1:39 pm
From: Vic Smith

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:00:28 +0000 (UTC), Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:34:07 -0500, Vic Smith
><thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>Makes you wonder why people are so petty.
>>In a residential neighborhood I lived in on the north side of Chicago
>>a family - never met them - had 6 or 7 chickens running around their
>>fenced front yard. I thought somebody would complain and they'd be
>>quickly gone, but they were there for at least a couple years until
>>I moved. I liked seeing them there myself.
>
>Living next door to 7 chickens could get a little smelly in the
>summer. Also, they could keep a small yard pretty scratched up and
>bare looking. Of course it's obvious why someone might not want to
>live next to a rooster or two.
>
>Just playing devil's advocate here. We're running somewhere around 50
>clucks +- (in a really big rural yard).
>
It was a corner house, so the yard was a bit bigger than I suggested.
The yard did look a little threadbare, but not real bad.
Never noticed a smell, but I didn't live next door.
Anyway, I can think of worse neighbors.
Just talked to my daughter, who is visiting in a small Polish village.
She says the roosters are better than any snooze alarm she's had.

--Vic

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 1:06 pm
From: RPOD

Here's an article showing great credit cards with rebates for gas
purchases - up to 10% cash back!
I already signed up for the AMEX, and get 5% back. Also the costco no-
fee AMEX gives 5% cash back.

http://www.desicrazy.com/2008/07/28/top-credit-cards-for-gas-purchases-up-to-10-cash-back/

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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 10:32 pm
From: phil scott

On Jul 27, 2:56 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> phil scott wrote:
> > On Jul 27, 11:10 am, Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply
> > <samh...@TRASHsonic.net> wrote:
> >> OhioGuy wrote:
>
> >>> Is there anything we can do in order to stop all of these harassing calls?
> >> I was told by the people who called me (when I shattered my wrist and
> >> had practically no income coming in for months) that if I made *some*
> >> payment, even if it wasn't a full payment, that they would stop calling.
>
> > on a thinly related issue.. if you have a debt about to go past the
> > statute of limitations, some bogus over billed amount from a hospital
> > for instance (over billing is common... and people without insurance
> > get billed 2x or more than insurance companies on many cases)...and
> > you pay even one cent on it..the statute of limitations resets...
> > expect another 7 years of harrassment.
>
> > in that case a good button to learn how to use on yer cell phone is
> > the little red one, says 'end' on it.... but you must do it in the
> > first second or so before your blood pressure goes up.... just hold
> > the cell in your left hand and using your right index finger press
> > down on the button.
>
> "MUTE" also works. They keep talking and get very upset when they
> think you hung up.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

a person could try putting the cell into a coffee can..

"hheelloooo ooheloolo iisssis ttthiss thss mmmissttter " that way
the poor sot can at least entertain hiimself.

you could drop in the occasional marble

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 6:14 am
From: "Stephanie"

George Grapman wrote:
> ChairMan wrote:
>> In news:_96jk.16496$mh5.72@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com,
>> George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net>spewed forth:
>>> phil scott wrote:
>>>> On Jul 27, 11:10 am, Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply
>>>> <samh...@TRASHsonic.net> wrote:
>>>>> OhioGuy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there anything we can do in order to stop all of these
>>>>>> harassing calls?
>>>>> I was told by the people who called me (when I shattered my wrist
>>>>> and had practically no income coming in for months) that if I made
>>>>> *some* payment, even if it wasn't a full payment, that they would
>>>>> stop calling.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> on a thinly related issue.. if you have a debt about to go past the
>>>> statute of limitations, some bogus over billed amount from a
>>>> hospital for instance (over billing is common... and people
>>>> without insurance get billed 2x or more than insurance companies
>>>> on many cases)...and you pay even one cent on it..the statute of
>>>> limitations resets... expect another 7 years of harrassment.
>>>>
>>>> in that case a good button to learn how to use on yer cell phone is
>>>> the little red one, says 'end' on it.... but you must do it in the
>>>> first second or so before your blood pressure goes up.... just hold
>>>> the cell in your left hand and using your right index finger press
>>>> down on the button.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> "MUTE" also works. They keep talking and get very upset when they
>>> think you hung up.
>>
>> A whistle works well too
>>
>>
>
>
> I first used "MUTE" years ago when some tout services got my
> number.Polite requests to stop, threats of legal action and cursing
> all were to no avail. They often called back within seconds after
> I hung up. Finally I began to hut "MUTE" when the canned pitch
> started"
> "So,George, what credit card would you like to use?"
> "Hello,George,are you there?"
> "God damn it, I gave this guy my A material and he walked away from
> the phone"
>
>
> Another one is gibberish:
>
> "No speak English"
> "Habla espanol?"
> "prosrty eevantey frobjika mieeryok?"

Give the phone to your 4 year old, if you are lucky enough to have one.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 7:18 am
From: George Grapman

Select call forwarding allows you to forward calls from certain
numbers and only those numbers. Have their calls forwarded to a
disconnected number.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 7:50 am
From: "Dave"

"George Grapman" <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in message
news:1xkjk.18726$Ri.8675@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com...
> Select call forwarding allows you to forward calls from certain
> numbers and only those numbers. Have their calls forwarded to a
> disconnected number.

What fun is that? Bill collectors use several numbers. Forward call from
XYZ to another one of XYZs phone numbers. Let them call themselves. -Dave

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 8:28 am
From: George Grapman

Dave wrote:
> "George Grapman" <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in message
> news:1xkjk.18726$Ri.8675@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com...
>> Select call forwarding allows you to forward calls from certain
>> numbers and only those numbers. Have their calls forwarded to a
>> disconnected number.
>
> What fun is that? Bill collectors use several numbers. Forward call from
> XYZ to another one of XYZs phone numbers. Let them call themselves. -Dave
>
>
You are right. That is a much better idea.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 8:38 am
From: George Grapman

I had a room mate once who was getting calls almost every day. When
they would call he would pretend to be another person and say "that SOB
skipped out on two months rent. Tell you what, give me your number and
if I find out where he is I will let you know and if you track him down
you can tell me"

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 2:54 am
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 4:32 am
From: "Stephanie"

phil scott wrote:
> Keep the house more or less at outside tempurature, except in the
> winter heat it to 45F or so... then sleep and read and watch da tee
> veee in one room.... that one you keep heated and cooled with a
> chinese window heat pump..... costs about $200 bucks.
>
>
> then at night in the winter set its thermostat to 50F or so, and use a
> matrress warmer.
>
> if you want to run even cheaper in hot weather, put yer easy chair and
> bed near the air conditioner and put the fan ON and set the thermostat
> up to 78F or so... the breeze and dehumidified air will keep you cool.
>
>
> If you want to save even more, insulate the windows with reflective
> insulation about 1" thick.... blow some extra insulation into the
> attic above the room, insulate the floor of the room under the
> house.....and walk around free bird :).... coolness will ensue.
>
> cheap.
>
>
> Phil scott (hvac contractor)

For us, we can spend some time and not money by harvesting the dead trees on
our property for the wood stove. Last year we were able to barter almost a
year's worth of wood for 4 days of labor with a logger and sugar maker. I
know not everyone has access to this sort of thing. But it can help to think
outside the box a bit.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 6:27 am
From: A Veteran

In article
<88a48c30-8526-4327-9895-12129a4c0567@j1g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
phil scott <phil@philscott.net> wrote:

> On Jul 27, 6:46 pm, Vic Smith <thismailautodele...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:27:50 -0700 (PDT), phil scott
> >
> > <p...@philscott.net> wrote:
> >
> > >re the wife, maybe you can tell her she looks hot in thick socks, long
> > >pants and heavy sweaters..
> >
> > She does look hot no matter how she's dressed, and knows it.
> > Trouble is, she don't care!
> > She just wants to cook and do dishes without shivering or sweating.
> > And I can't sweet talk her out of that, as much as I've tried.
> >
> > --Vic
>
> Ok ok.. she cooks! does dishes! and is hot!!!... you cant beat
> that. you have to keeep her cool.
>
> you could buy her an ice cube maybe.
>
>
>
> L\\

Ice cubes have really gone up in price.
--
If guns are out-lawed. Only the Out-laws & politicians will have guns.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 4:33 am
From: "Stephanie"

Tim Smith wrote:
> In article
> <351df7b5-9381-43ff-99bd-24be5d31ac76@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
> Arumugham <n.arumugham@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Keep light fixtures clean to get optimum light.
>
> How will that save electricity? The bulb doesn't know or care that
> some of the light it is producing gets blocked by a dirty fixture.
> It's going to consume the same electricity either way.

Only need to turn on one eather than two since the first does the whole
lighting job, perhaps?

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 4:32 am
From: clams_casino

f l o r a wrote:

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>
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 4:38 am
From: Jay

clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in
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> f l o r a wrote:
>
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> Before you link with spam such as this -

Report to F L O R A 's ISP & hosting site

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 4:44 am
From: "h"

"RF" <RF@NoDen.con> wrote in message
news:6f51nfF9op4tU1@mid.individual.net...
> idesofmarch wrote:
>> Don't count on getting your Puritan's Pride vitamins/supplements order
>> on time; in good condition, since their main method of shipping is UPS
>> (united parcel service) UPS has repeatedly ignored instructions to
>> require a signature to ensure
>> delivery to the right party, leaves stuff with neighbors anyways. My
>> last order of nutritional oils had to be thrown away because the UPS
>> driver left the stuff in the sun (on purpose I suspect, following my
>> complaints to UPS). Faxes to the CEO of Puritan's Pride, Scott Rudolf
>> (German SS? ha!) has
>> been ignored about this issue. Apparently, he does not give a sh*t. If
>> anyone knows a better supplier with better shipping please post here.
>

FedEx ground is the worst. It might be their procedures, it might just be a
moron driver. This doofus leaves packages in the middle of the driveway
because "People want to find their stuff when they get home from work."
Okay. However, since I work at home, my parcels are addressed to a business,
there is a separate business door with a sign and a covered porch, how about
leaving the boxes there? There's a sign on all four doors of my home
indicating that packages should be left on the business door porch (first
doorway you come to). No other carrier (including FedEx overnight) has any
problem leaving packages on the porch, since it's the easiest, closest, and
logical place. FedEx ground, however, persists in leaving stuff in the
middle of the uncovered driveway. I just love finding a sopping wet package
after 3-4 days. According to the local FedEx office, the driver isn't doing
anything wrong. Apparently it's ok to just pull into my semi-circular
driveway, slow down, toss out the package, and then continue on to the next
delivery. I actually saw the guy do that once - he didn't even come close to
a complete stop. Once, when the garage door was open (I was unloading
groceries and the guy must have come while I was inside), a package was
tossed underneath the car and I didn't find it until after I'd run it over
the next time I went out. FedEx ground sucks.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 4:49 pm
From: Dave

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:20:12 -0600
timeOday <timeOday-UNSPAM@theknack.net> wrote:

> At Costco my wife got one of our regular items, a 32 pack of microwave
> popcorn. I popped one and it seemed not to pop up, so I popped it
> until it burned and I threw it away.
>
> I popped a second one. When it came out, it was also puny, but then I
> noticed the bag was fully puffed. They have decreased the size.
> Besides being effectively a price hike, it's annoying because if I
> cook the smaller ones for the normal amount of time they burn.

Are you sure your wife bought the normal size? Most microwave popcorn
now is sold in two sizes. The bigger is large enough for two people to
share, but they also sell small bags, just right for a snack for one
person.

Oh, and you should get a microwave with a popcorn button, if you enjoy
microwave popcorn. Our microwave pops both sizes of popcorn,
perfectly. One button, no guessing at time. -Dave

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 8:27 am
From: timeOday

Dave wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:20:12 -0600
> timeOday <timeOday-UNSPAM@theknack.net> wrote:
>
>> At Costco my wife got one of our regular items, a 32 pack of microwave
>> popcorn. I popped one and it seemed not to pop up, so I popped it
>> until it burned and I threw it away.
>>
>> I popped a second one. When it came out, it was also puny, but then I
>> noticed the bag was fully puffed. They have decreased the size.
>> Besides being effectively a price hike, it's annoying because if I
>> cook the smaller ones for the normal amount of time they burn.
>
> Are you sure your wife bought the normal size? Most microwave popcorn
> now is sold in two sizes. The bigger is large enough for two people to
> share, but they also sell small bags, just right for a snack for one
> person.
>
> Oh, and you should get a microwave with a popcorn button, if you enjoy
> microwave popcorn. Our microwave pops both sizes of popcorn,
> perfectly. One button, no guessing at time. -Dave

How do those popcorn buttons work? Do they listen for popping?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 9:05 am
From: "Dave"

> > Are you sure your wife bought the normal size? Most microwave popcorn
> > now is sold in two sizes. The bigger is large enough for two people to
> > share, but they also sell small bags, just right for a snack for one
> > person.
> >
> > Oh, and you should get a microwave with a popcorn button, if you enjoy
> > microwave popcorn. Our microwave pops both sizes of popcorn,
> > perfectly. One button, no guessing at time. -Dave
>
> How do those popcorn buttons work? Do they listen for popping?

From expert reviews I've read of some microwaves, I gather that the
auto-cook functions have some kind of humidity sensor, which would make
sense. That is, the food gets warm, humidity level increases inside the
microwave...someone did the measurements and math and determined that X food
was just right at Y humidity level...

From experience of hundreds of bags of popcorn popped, I can tell you that
the popcorn button (if your microwave has one) should work great. Ours
does. It is a Kenmore brand microwave, manufactured by LG
Goldstar). -Dave

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 7:20 am
From: me@privacy.net

Why not refrigerate everything?

I live in an apartment and the fridge is supplied by
the landlord but on the small side to say the least.

However, I've been thinking abt buying a small freezer
to supplant the fridge and give me the ability to store
more foods in bulk. I live alone so don't need a HUGE
freezer..... maybe 7 cu foot.

But I had what may be and even better idea.... what
would be wrong with refrigerating EVRYTHING except can
goods?

I could buy another fridge with built in freezer and
get additional freezer space..... but also get
additional fridge space where I could store boxes of
cereal, oatmeal, and other things you normally don't
think abt storing in a fridge.

What you think abt my idea? Do many out there put
things in a fridge that doesn't normally go in
there..... granola bars, cereals, breads?

Or am I best to just buy a small freezer ONLY and
forget abt the extra fridge space?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 7:50 am
From: James

On Jul 28, 10:20 am, m...@privacy.net wrote:
> Why not refrigerate everything?
>
> I live in an apartment and the fridge is supplied by
> the landlord but on the small side to say the least.
>
> However, I've been thinking abt buying a small freezer
> to supplant the fridge and give me the ability to store
> more foods in bulk. I live alone so don't need a HUGE
> freezer..... maybe 7 cu foot.
>
> But I had what may be and even better idea.... what
> would be wrong with refrigerating EVRYTHING except can
> goods?
>
> I could buy another fridge with built in freezer and
> get additional freezer space..... but also get
> additional fridge space where I could store boxes of
> cereal, oatmeal, and other things you normally don't
> think abt storing in a fridge.
>
> What you think abt my idea? Do many out there put
> things in a fridge that doesn't normally go in
> there..... granola bars, cereals, breads?
>
> Or am I best to just buy a small freezer ONLY and
> forget abt the extra fridge space?

I don't like the taste of bread that's been in the frige.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 9:20 am
From: Sue Bilkens

when I lived in a cockroach infested building all food went int he fridge where
the cock roaches can't get into

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:20:36 -0500, in misc.consumers.frugal-living
me@privacy.net wrote:

>Why not refrigerate everything?
>
>I live in an apartment and the fridge is supplied by
>the landlord but on the small side to say the least.
>
>However, I've been thinking act buying a small freezer
>to supplant the fridge and give me the ability to store
>more foods in bulk. I live alone so don't need a HUGE
>freezer..... maybe 7 cu foot.
>
>But I had what may be and even better idea.... what
>would be wrong with refrigerating EVRYTHING except can
>goods?
>
>I could buy another fridge with built in freezer and
>get additional freezer space..... but also get
>additional fridge space where I could store boxes of
>cereal, oatmeal, and other things you normally don't
>think act storing in a fridge.
>
>What you think act my idea? Do many out there put
>things in a fridge that doesn't normally go in
>there..... granola bars, cereals, breads?
>
>Or am I best to just buy a small freezer ONLY and
>forget act the extra fridge space?

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 9:05 am
From: Dave

Prof. Anne Steinemann of the University of Washington recently
performed a study of top-selling laundry products and air fresheners.
She found the products emitted dozens of different chemicals; in fact,
all six products tested gave off at least one chemical regulated as
toxic or hazardous under federal laws.

Oddly enough, those chemicals were not listed on the product labels!

"People were telling me that the air fresheners in public restrooms
and the scent from laundry products vented outdoors were making them
sick," said Prof. Steinemann, a UW professor of civil and
environmental engineering. "And I wanted to know what is causing these
effects.'"

It was then that she discovered a surprising number of potentially
toxic chemicals, including acetone, the active ingredient in paint
thinner and nail-polish remover; limonene (a molecule with a citrus
scent) and acetaldehyde, chloromethane and 1,4-dioxane.

"Nearly 100 volatile organic compounds were emitted from these six
products, and none were listed on any product label. Plus, five of the
six products emitted one or more carcinogenic 'hazardous air
pollutants,' which are considered by the Environmental Protection
Agency to have no safe exposure level at all," Steinemann said.

Her study was published online last week by the journal "Environmental
Impact Assessment Review." Steinemann chose not to disclose the brand
names of the six products she tested. In a larger study of 25
cleaners, personal care products, air fresheners and laundry products,
now submitted for publication, she found that many other brands
contained similar chemicals.

Manufacturers of consumer products are not required to disclose their
ingredients. All these items were household items purchased at a
grocery store, in addition to samples of industrial products that were
requested of supplier companies.

In the laboratory, each product was placed in an isolated space at
room temperature and the surrounding air was analyzed for volatile
organic compounds, small molecules that evaporate from the product's
surface into the air.

Results showed 58 different volatile organic compounds above a
concentration of 300 micrograms per cubic meter, many of which were
present in more than one of the six products. For instance, a plug-in
air freshener contained more than 20 different volatile organic
compounds. Of these, seven are regulated as toxic or hazardous under
federal laws. The product label lists no ingredients, and information
on the Material Safety Data Sheet, required for workplace handling of
chemicals, lists the contents as "mixture of perfume oils."

The European Union recently enacted legislation requiring products to
list 26 fragrance chemicals when they are present above a certain
concentration in cosmetic products and detergents. No similar laws
exist in the United States.

Dave

Full text article above extracted from http://shamvswham.blogspot.com/

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 9:07 am
From: clams_casino

Dave the sham spammer wrote:

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 9:12 am
From: Dave

On Jul 28, 9:07 am, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> Dave the sham spammer wrote:
>
> <snipped>

Dave

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 9:21 am
From: Sue Bilkens

I believe it....

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:05:27 -0700 (PDT), in misc.consumers.frugal-living Dave
<djensen36@cox.net> wrote:

>Prof. Anne Steinemann of the University of Washington recently
>performed a study of top-selling laundry products and air fresheners.
>She found the products emitted dozens of different chemicals; in fact,
>all six products tested gave off at least one chemical regulated as
>toxic or hazardous under federal laws.
>
>Oddly enough, those chemicals were not listed on the product labels!
>
>"People were telling me that the air fresheners in public restrooms
>and the scent from laundry products vented outdoors were making them
>sick," said Prof. Steinemann, a UW professor of civil and
>environmental engineering. "And I wanted to know what is causing these
>effects.'"
>
>It was then that she discovered a surprising number of potentially
>toxic chemicals, including acetone, the active ingredient in paint
>thinner and nail-polish remover; limonene (a molecule with a citrus
>scent) and acetaldehyde, chloromethane and 1,4-dioxane.
>
>"Nearly 100 volatile organic compounds were emitted from these six
>products, and none were listed on any product label. Plus, five of the
>six products emitted one or more carcinogenic 'hazardous air
>pollutants,' which are considered by the Environmental Protection
>Agency to have no safe exposure level at all," Steinemann said.
>
>Her study was published online last week by the journal "Environmental
>Impact Assessment Review." Steinemann chose not to disclose the brand
>names of the six products she tested. In a larger study of 25
>cleaners, personal care products, air fresheners and laundry products,
>now submitted for publication, she found that many other brands
>contained similar chemicals.
>
>Manufacturers of consumer products are not required to disclose their
>ingredients. All these items were household items purchased at a
>grocery store, in addition to samples of industrial products that were
>requested of supplier companies.
>
>In the laboratory, each product was placed in an isolated space at
>room temperature and the surrounding air was analyzed for volatile
>organic compounds, small molecules that evaporate from the product's
>surface into the air.
>
>Results showed 58 different volatile organic compounds above a
>concentration of 300 micrograms per cubic meter, many of which were
>present in more than one of the six products. For instance, a plug-in
>air freshener contained more than 20 different volatile organic
>compounds. Of these, seven are regulated as toxic or hazardous under
>federal laws. The product label lists no ingredients, and information
>on the Material Safety Data Sheet, required for workplace handling of
>chemicals, lists the contents as "mixture of perfume oils."
>
>The European Union recently enacted legislation requiring products to
>list 26 fragrance chemicals when they are present above a certain
>concentration in cosmetic products and detergents. No similar laws
>exist in the United States.
>
>Dave
>
>Full text article above extracted from http://shamvswham.blogspot.com/

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 9:31 am
From: George Grapman

clams_casino wrote:
> Dave the sham spammer wrote:
>
> <snipped>

Take it as a compliment when the spammers get upset.

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* how to survive the heat and cold on a low budget - 3 messages, 2 authors
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* The chickens have arrived - 1 messages, 1 author
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* How to stop debt collectors from calling? - 3 messages, 3 authors
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 6:27 pm
From: phil scott

On Jul 27, 5:39 pm, Vic Smith <thismailautodele...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:46:38 -0700 (PDT), phil scott
>
> <p...@philscott.net> wrote:
>
> >Keep the house more or less at outside tempurature, except in the
> >winter heat it to 45F or so... then sleep and read and watch da tee
> >veee in one room.... that one you keep heated and cooled with a
> >chinese window heat pump..... costs about $200 bucks.
>
> An electric space heater might work better for that room up north.
>
>
>
> >then at night in the winter set its thermostat to 50F or so, and use a
> >matrress warmer.
>
> A mattress heating pad does work wonders.
>
> >if you want to run even cheaper in hot weather, put yer easy chair and
> >bed near the air conditioner and put the fan ON and set the thermostat
> >up to 78F or so... the breeze and dehumidified air will keep you cool.
>
> We keep the A/C on 80F, sometimes 79F. Ceiling fans make that pretty
> tolerable.
>
> >If you want to save even more, insulate the windows with reflective
> >insulation about 1" thick.... blow some extra insulation into the
> >attic above the room, insulate the floor of the room under the
> >house.....and walk around free bird :).... coolness will ensue.
>
> >cheap.
>
> That's right. Why heat and cool places you don't use much.
> But I spend a lot of time in the basement or outside.
> My wife, who cooks, cleans house, etc, has other ideas about
> how to heat and cool the house.
>
> --Vic

you are right about the electric heater for a room in cold climates..
heat pumps fade fast below 35F outside temps .. or so.

re the wife, maybe you can tell her she looks hot in thick socks, long
pants and heavy sweaters..

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 6:46 pm
From: Vic Smith

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:27:50 -0700 (PDT), phil scott
<phil@philscott.net> wrote:

>
>re the wife, maybe you can tell her she looks hot in thick socks, long
>pants and heavy sweaters..
>
She does look hot no matter how she's dressed, and knows it.
Trouble is, she don't care!
She just wants to cook and do dishes without shivering or sweating.
And I can't sweet talk her out of that, as much as I've tried.

--Vic

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 8:50 pm
From: phil scott

On Jul 27, 6:46 pm, Vic Smith <thismailautodele...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:27:50 -0700 (PDT), phil scott
>
> <p...@philscott.net> wrote:
>
> >re the wife, maybe you can tell her she looks hot in thick socks, long
> >pants and heavy sweaters..
>
> She does look hot no matter how she's dressed, and knows it.
> Trouble is, she don't care!
> She just wants to cook and do dishes without shivering or sweating.
> And I can't sweet talk her out of that, as much as I've tried.
>
> --Vic

Ok ok.. she cooks! does dishes! and is hot!!!... you cant beat
that. you have to keeep her cool.

you could buy her an ice cube maybe.

L\\

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 6:34 pm
From: Vic Smith

On 28 Jul 2008 00:26:55 GMT, Terri <Terri@micron.net> wrote:

>lisajoe@privacy.net wrote in
>news:kjdp84hmno78m37vu761eugumcijh5j83n@4ax.com:
>
>>
>>
>> I so miss having chickens but now I am in the city and can only have
>> three of them and it seems like too much work.. :(
>
>You're fairly lucky you can have even one.
>Many years ago a woman in the adjacent city of Eagle had a little
>banty for a pet. She had a small chicken house built of it to scale
>that matched her own.
>The neighbors got together and enforced the no livestock rule
>and she had to get rid of it.
>
Makes you wonder why people are so petty.
In a residential neighborhood I lived in on the north side of Chicago
a family - never met them - had 6 or 7 chickens running around their
fenced front yard. I thought somebody would complain and they'd be
quickly gone, but they were there for at least a couple years until
I moved. I liked seeing them there myself.

--Vic

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TOPIC: Tips on frugal living in the Philly region
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 8:47 pm
From: antianti@rocketmail.com

http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/frugal-philly.html

== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 8:48 pm
From: "ChairMan"

In news:_96jk.16496$mh5.72@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com,
George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net>spewed forth:
> phil scott wrote:
>> On Jul 27, 11:10 am, Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply
>> <samh...@TRASHsonic.net> wrote:
>>> OhioGuy wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there anything we can do in order to stop all of these
>>>> harassing calls?
>>> I was told by the people who called me (when I shattered my wrist
>>> and had practically no income coming in for months) that if I made
>>> *some* payment, even if it wasn't a full payment, that they would
>>> stop calling.
>>
>>
>>
>> on a thinly related issue.. if you have a debt about to go past the
>> statute of limitations, some bogus over billed amount from a hospital
>> for instance (over billing is common... and people without insurance
>> get billed 2x or more than insurance companies on many cases)...and
>> you pay even one cent on it..the statute of limitations resets...
>> expect another 7 years of harrassment.
>>
>> in that case a good button to learn how to use on yer cell phone is
>> the little red one, says 'end' on it.... but you must do it in the
>> first second or so before your blood pressure goes up.... just hold
>> the cell in your left hand and using your right index finger press
>> down on the button.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> "MUTE" also works. They keep talking and get very upset when they
> think you hung up.

A whistle works well too

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 9:19 pm
From: George Grapman

ChairMan wrote:
> In news:_96jk.16496$mh5.72@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com,
> George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net>spewed forth:
>> phil scott wrote:
>>> On Jul 27, 11:10 am, Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply
>>> <samh...@TRASHsonic.net> wrote:
>>>> OhioGuy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is there anything we can do in order to stop all of these
>>>>> harassing calls?
>>>> I was told by the people who called me (when I shattered my wrist
>>>> and had practically no income coming in for months) that if I made
>>>> *some* payment, even if it wasn't a full payment, that they would
>>>> stop calling.
>>>
>>>
>>> on a thinly related issue.. if you have a debt about to go past the
>>> statute of limitations, some bogus over billed amount from a hospital
>>> for instance (over billing is common... and people without insurance
>>> get billed 2x or more than insurance companies on many cases)...and
>>> you pay even one cent on it..the statute of limitations resets...
>>> expect another 7 years of harrassment.
>>>
>>> in that case a good button to learn how to use on yer cell phone is
>>> the little red one, says 'end' on it.... but you must do it in the
>>> first second or so before your blood pressure goes up.... just hold
>>> the cell in your left hand and using your right index finger press
>>> down on the button.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> "MUTE" also works. They keep talking and get very upset when they
>> think you hung up.
>
> A whistle works well too
>
>

I first used "MUTE" years ago when some tout services got my
number.Polite requests to stop, threats of legal action and cursing all
were to no avail. They often called back within seconds after
I hung up. Finally I began to hut "MUTE" when the canned pitch started"

"So,George, what credit card would you like to use?"
"Hello,George,are you there?"
"God damn it, I gave this guy my A material and he walked away from
the phone"

Another one is gibberish:

"No speak English"
"Habla espanol?"
"prosrty eevantey frobjika mieeryok?"

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 10:32 pm
From: phil scott

a person could try putting the cell into a coffee can..

"hheelloooo ooheloolo iisssis ttthiss thss mmmissttter " that way
the poor sot can at least entertain hiimself.

you could drop in the occasional marble

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 9:20 pm
From: timeOday

At Costco my wife got one of our regular items, a 32 pack of microwave
popcorn. I popped one and it seemed not to pop up, so I popped it until
it burned and I threw it away.

I popped a second one. When it came out, it was also puny, but then I
noticed the bag was fully puffed. They have decreased the size.
Besides being effectively a price hike, it's annoying because if I cook
the smaller ones for the normal amount of time they burn.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 9:54 pm
From: RF

idesofmarch wrote:
> Don't count on getting your Puritan's Pride vitamins/supplements order
> on time; in good condition, since their main method of shipping is UPS
> (united parcel service)
>
> UPS has repeatedly ignored instructions to require a signature to ensure
> delivery to the right party, leaves stuff with neighbors anyways. My
> last order of nutritional oils had to be thrown away because the UPS
> driver left the stuff in the sun (on purpose I suspect, following my
> complaints to UPS).
>
> Faxes to the CEO of Puritan's Pride, Scott Rudolf (German SS? ha!) has
> been ignored about this issue. Apparently, he does not give a sh*t.
>
> If anyone knows a better supplier with better shipping please post here.

I have bought from Puritan regularly and the
shipments came via UPS. My porch is shaded, about
30' from the street, and the parcels are always
left there. I never had any problems with either
company. Why the heck do you insist on signatures?
This can greatly delay the delivery, especially
when waiting for a response to a knock or ring, or
when nobody is home.

Why not provide a shaded delivery box or, if you
are that fussy, then why not pick up your parcel
from UPS?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 10:02 pm
From: A Veteran

In article <foip84lidld9l8f2tuvc1mj9obmjf2u9uf@4ax.com>,
lisajoe@privacy.net wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:03:07 -0700, in misc.consumers.frugal-living A Veteran
> <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote:
>
> >"The army that will defeat terrorism doesn't wear uniforms, or drive
> >Humvees, or calls in air-strikes. It doesn't have a high command, or
> >high security, or a high budget. The army that can defeat terrorism
> >does battle quietly, clearing minefields and vaccinating children. It
> >undermines military dictatorships and military lobbyists. It subverts
> >sweatshops and special interests.Where people feel powerless, it
> >helps them organize for change, and where people are powerful, it
> >reminds them of their responsibility." ~~~~ Author Unknown ~~~~
> >___________________________________________________
>
>
> The USA government is a terrorist organization!

Yup.
--
If guns are out-lawed. Only the Out-laws & politicians will have guns.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 10:17 pm
From: cicitrade001@yahoo.cn

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 10:28 pm
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