Tuesday, April 20, 2010

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Today's topics:

* Do Americans know what a PASSING LANE is? - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/0d691215837945ab?hl=en
* We need two things to accomplish World Peace - 8 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/951a308fa16c98b5?hl=en
* Prix cigarette en ligne | Les meilleurs magasins de cigarettes en ligne - 1
messages, 1 author
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* paypal wholesale all brand(BOOTS,SHOES,CLOTHES,HANDBAG,WATCH,JEANS,JERSEY,T-
SHIRT,SHIRTS,HOODY,EYEGLASS,CAP,SHAWL,WALLT) and so on. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/fd82fa08d66163e3?hl=en
* A Toyota makes you dumb; a bicycle makes you smart - 10 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/3ebd4f06ad340d18?hl=en
* American dream or nightmare? It depends whether you ride a bike or drive a
car - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/f2e09f91824db370?hl=en

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TOPIC: Do Americans know what a PASSING LANE is?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/0d691215837945ab?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 12:01 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"


On Apr 19, 11:24 pm, Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:51:48 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey,
> the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> declaimed
> the following in alt.scooter:
>
> > A PASSING LANE IS...
>
> > __ A passing lane is the lane on a multi-lane highway or motorway
> > closest to the center of the road (the central reservation).
>
> Which doesn't apply to many of the freeways in my area -- where that
> lane is a diamond (car pool) lane.
> --

Around here too, but it has become a toll lane. Still the lanes
farther away are the SLOW LANES which I assume has some meaning too.
Understanding this would make life for cyclists so much easier where
they share the lane with the slower vehicles.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 7:52 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"


On Apr 20, 7:33 am, "hls" <h...@nospam.nix> wrote:
> "charlesgrozny" <n5...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
>
> > And what part might that be? I'm northwest of Chicago and I've seen them
> > do it up here, too. And it has been a law for almost 2 decades now up
> > here to turn on your lights when you turn on your wipers. People don't do
> > that, either.
>
> > Charles Grozny
>
> This is the northeastern part of Texas. Enforcement has been low for
> years, but is picking up. I suppose the state and locals see this as a good
> way to pick up some easy cash.
>
> People here complain about DRLs but then wont turn their lights on in
> the rain or at dusk as prescribed by law. They pass in the emergency lane
> and toodle down the road in the passing (left lane on divided highways).
>
> It is said that the family trees here have no branches.

The thing is that when they need the money they really go for the ones
that make traffic dangerous to the rest. But here they just do it in
very low danger areas where unsuspecting drivers are caught speeding
somewhat.

Real enforcement would take more than that. Remember, THE FIRST LINE
OF DEFENSE IS THE POLICE (whose duty is not to fill the city's
coffers).

This is the REAL THING, baby...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG_nGCW9ELw

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 10:06 am
From: Cindy Hamilton


On Apr 20, 2:24 am, Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:51:48 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey,
> the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> declaimed
> the following in alt.scooter:
>
> > A PASSING LANE IS...
>
> > __ A passing lane is the lane on a multi-lane highway or motorway
> > closest to the center of the road (the central reservation).
>
>         Which doesn't apply to many of the freeways in my area -- where that
> lane is a diamond (car pool) lane.

Here (southeast Michigan), we don't have car pool lanes.

The passing lane is the one that you drive in when the folks in the
other
lanes don't know that the customary speed is 10 over the posted limit.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 1:40 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"


On Apr 20, 10:06 am, Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Apr 20, 2:24 am, Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:51:48 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey,
> > the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> declaimed
> > the following in alt.scooter:
>
> > > A PASSING LANE IS...
>
> > > __ A passing lane is the lane on a multi-lane highway or motorway
> > > closest to the center of the road (the central reservation).
>
> >         Which doesn't apply to many of the freeways in my area -- where that
> > lane is a diamond (car pool) lane.
>
> Here (southeast Michigan), we don't have car pool lanes.
>
> The passing lane is the one that you drive in when the folks in the
> other
> lanes don't know that the customary speed is 10 over the posted limit.

I think our roads show the dangers of RIGHT WING LIBERTARIANISM, where
the big fish rules.

Left wing libertarians would be fighting over space on the bike lanes.

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TOPIC: We need two things to accomplish World Peace
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/951a308fa16c98b5?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 12:04 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"


Very, very easy. We need...

1- MILITARY DRAFT: nobody wants their children to die,

2- "WAR TAX" ON GAS: nobody wants to pay for it.

Then we can reserve this weapon for our enemies:

http://www.tm3.se/TM3DARK/images/shit-weapon.jpg

******************************

Finally we invest the peace dividend in bicycle facilities and healing
the planet.


---------------------------------------------------

"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
moving" -Albert Einstein

http://webspawner.com/users/BIKEFORPEACE


== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 7:22 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"


On Apr 20, 7:03 am, "Fred C. Dobbs" <fred.c.do...@earthlink.not>
wrote:
> On 4/19/2010 11:38 PM, TibetanMarginal,
> the-Marginal-who-is-a-Bag-of-Shit, bullshitted:
>
> > Very, very easy.
>
> No, it isn't. Any time some fuckwit starts blabbering about how easy
> some thing is that humans haven't figured out in their 250,000 years of
> existence, he reveals himself right away to be a colossal fuckwit.

Well, I'm a wise man, and have figured out the world needs more a
banana (love) than war.

>
> > We need...
>
> *YOU* need to shut up.
>
>
>
> > 1- MILITARY DRAFT:
>
> Go to North Korea, your preferred country. They have a draft.

YOU should volunteer and go the army and rid the world of communists,
terrorists and environmentalists.

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 1:01 pm
From: "h"

"Bill Sornson" <sorni@noyb.com> wrote in message
news:4bce000b$1@news.x-privat.org...
>
> How about doing YOUR part right now?

Or doing your part by not responding to known trolls?
>

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 12:27 pm
From: "Bill Sornson"


VFW wrote:

> the Earth will take care of this blight, the human infestation.
> It will shake them off. And then begin to heal.
> Hint; don't reproduce, we don't need more humans.

How about doing YOUR part right now?


== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 12:10 pm
From: VFW


In article
<a4935b7e-c2da-498a-83d7-a91d9a53b2b0@j12g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
"TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"
<comandante.banana@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Very, very easy. We need...
>
> 1- MILITARY DRAFT: nobody wants their children to die,
>
> 2- "WAR TAX" ON GAS: nobody wants to pay for it.
>
> Then we can reserve this weapon for our enemies:
>
> http://www.tm3.se/TM3DARK/images/shit-weapon.jpg
>
> ******************************
>
> Finally we invest the peace dividend in bicycle facilities and healing
> the planet.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> �Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
> moving� -Albert Einstein
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BIKEFORPEACE

the Earth will take care of this blight, the human infestation.
It will shake them off. And then begin to heal.
Hint; don't reproduce, we don't need more humans.
--
Enjoy this moment ! Thanks. g.


== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 1:49 pm
From: Charmin


On Apr 20, 9:22 am, "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"
<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 20, 7:03 am, "Fred C. Dobbs" <fred.c.do...@earthlink.not>
> wrote:
>
> > On 4/19/2010 11:38 PM, TibetanMarginal,
> > the-Marginal-who-is-a-Bag-of-Shit, bullshitted:
>
> > > Very, very easy.
>
> > No, it isn't.  Any time some fuckwit starts blabbering about how easy
> > some thing is that humans haven't figured out in their 250,000 years of
> > existence, he reveals himself right away to be a colossal fuckwit.
>
> Well, I'm a wise man, and have figured out the world needs more a
> banana (love) than war.
>
>
>
> > > We need...
>
> > *YOU* need to shut up.
>
> > > 1- MILITARY DRAFT:
>
> > Go to North Korea, your preferred country.  They have a draft.
>
> YOU should volunteer and go the army and rid the world of communists,
> terrorists and environmentalists.

The good news is that if you ever could land a job in a tough economy,
you could afford to put gas in your mom's old Lexus and would be too
busy working to post here.
The bad news is even the "paper or plastic" job employers may not risk
it following a 5" interview.
Please beg borrow or steal those condoms because we don't want you
reproducing.


== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 3:41 pm
From: VFW


In article <4bce000b$1@news.x-privat.org>,
"Bill Sornson" <sorni@noyb.com> wrote:

> VFW wrote:
>
> > the Earth will take care of this blight, the human infestation.
> > It will shake them off. And then begin to heal.
> > Hint; don't reproduce, we don't need more humans.
>
> How about doing YOUR part right now?

I did. No off-spring. and you? How about telling men about your
vasectomy? I do.
oh, that's right you are hard wired to go forth and multiply.
--
Enjoy this moment ! Thanks. g.


== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 6:26 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"


On Apr 20, 3:27 pm, "Bill Sornson" <so...@noyb.com> wrote:
> VFW wrote:
> > the Earth will take care of this blight, the human infestation.
> > It will shake them off. And then begin to heal.
> > Hint; don't reproduce, we don't need more humans.
>
> How about doing YOUR part right now?

I'm planning to feed the sharks in the ocean in order to save on
casket, transportation, etc. But best of all, I don't want to feed
those predators in the Funeral Industry.

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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 7:42 am
From: SMS


On 19/04/10 7:42 PM, TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit

<snip>

> I guess the less SUVing and the more biking the better, but few, very
> few people are that lucky to have a choice. And those who are brave
> enough to do it on the road --FOR PRACTICAL PURPOSES-- deserve a
> medal.
>
> It sounds like a COMMUNISM in reverse, where they force you drive
> instead of ride.

There is some of that. My wife used to ride, but she often has to go out
in the field at short notice and there are no company cars to use so you
have to have your own vehicle. She could ride home and get the car on
those occasions, but it's not something she does. And of course her
staff is forced to drive because they could not bicycle to their field
sites with all their equipment.

I've been on the road to work and gotten a call about an off-site
meeting too far to bicycle to, and that required carrying equipment. I
turned around and rode home and got the car. But I think the instances
of being forced to drive are pretty rare, unless the job involves going
out in the field a lot.


== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 8:57 am
From: SMS


On 19/04/10 3:37 PM, TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:
> On Apr 19, 2:18 pm, Forrest Hodge<f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 4/18/2010 9:30 PM, TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:> Look at this list of "car of the year" nominations and count the ones
>>> you can find in America...
>>
>>> http://www.worldcarfans.com/109062320073/2010-european-car-of-the-yea...
>>
>>> Perhaps the Citroen Picasso is the most unique.
>>
>> The only two cars that list that appeal to me in the least are the 370Z
>> and E-Class coupe. The majority of the those are tin-can-on-wheels FWD
>> econoboxes that the Europeans are basically legislated into buying due
>> to absurd fuel taxation.
>
> I'm assuming you are an American, right? Because the Europeans would
> think you are driven into ridiculous SUVs by your also ridiculous
> gasoline prices.
>
> The country is broke and you can't raise the gasoline taxes, at least
> to pay for the last wars?

Are you joking. If we had to actually pay up front for these wars via
taxes there would be even less public support for them.

Any politician that proposed raising taxes to pay for wars would be
thrown out of office.

Despite the lies of the tea baggers, even Obama cut taxes significantly,
though in this case the cuts did not go to the super-wealthy.


== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 9:44 am
From: "h"


Why would you EVER want anything that wasn't all-wheel drive?

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 9:45 am
From: "h"

"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
news:4bcca720$0$1658$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> On 19/04/10 11:48 AM, TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit
> wrote:
>
>> PS: Can we have scooters? How about Dahon foldables? We are dying to
>> get out of the Toyota cages and feel the cool breeze in the face.
>
> At Interbike 2008, the Dahon booth had a Prius packed with Dahon folding
> bicycles. Whoever guessed how many bicycles were inside the Prius won
> their choice of bicycle.

Not the Prius? Bogus!

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 1:08 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"


On Apr 20, 7:42 am, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 19/04/10 7:42 PM, TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit
>
> <snip>
>
> > I guess the less SUVing and the more biking the better, but few, very
> > few people are that lucky to have a choice. And those who are brave
> > enough to do it on the road --FOR PRACTICAL PURPOSES-- deserve a
> > medal.
>
> > It sounds like a COMMUNISM in reverse, where they force you drive
> > instead of ride.
>
> There is some of that. My wife used to ride, but she often has to go out
> in the field at short notice and there are no company cars to use so you
> have to have your own vehicle. She could ride home and get the car on
> those occasions, but it's not something she does. And of course her
> staff is forced to drive because they could not bicycle to their field
> sites with all their equipment.
>
> I've been on the road to work and gotten a call about an off-site
> meeting too far to bicycle to, and that required carrying equipment. I
> turned around and rode home and got the car. But I think the instances
> of being forced to drive are pretty rare, unless the job involves going
> out in the field a lot.

Nobody but a radical can think of one solution where the SUV is at end
and the bicycle at another. I can carry so much weight on my bikes
though that would be impractical on foot. Well, now that the stores
are too close for me to bike, I just got a cart and go on foot... and
the bicycles are gathering rust.


== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 1:12 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"


On Apr 20, 8:57 am, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 19/04/10 3:37 PM, TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 19, 2:18 pm, Forrest Hodge<f...@hotmail.com>  wrote:
> >> On 4/18/2010 9:30 PM, TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:>  Look at this list of "car of the year" nominations and count the ones
> >>> you can find in America...
>
> >>>http://www.worldcarfans.com/109062320073/2010-european-car-of-the-yea...
>
> >>> Perhaps the Citroen Picasso is the most unique.
>
> >> The only two cars that list that appeal to me in the least are the 370Z
> >> and E-Class coupe. The majority of the those are tin-can-on-wheels FWD
> >> econoboxes that the Europeans are basically legislated into buying due
> >> to absurd fuel taxation.
>
> > I'm assuming you are an American, right? Because the Europeans would
> > think you are driven into ridiculous SUVs by your also ridiculous
> > gasoline prices.
>
> > The country is broke and you can't raise the gasoline taxes, at least
> > to pay for the last wars?
>
> Are you joking. If we had to actually pay up front for these wars via
> taxes there would be even less public support for them.
>
> Any politician that proposed raising taxes to pay for wars would be
> thrown out of office.
>
> Despite the lies of the tea baggers, even Obama cut taxes significantly,
> though in this case the cuts did not go to the super-wealthy.

I'd assume you need a Hitler to force the people to fight a war and
pay for it.

People nowadays has gotten too comfortable about the war. ;)


== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 3:39 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)


In <fff739f6-1690-424d-9412-d161dab5a744@20g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:

>On Apr 20, 7:42 am, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
>> On 19/04/10 7:42 PM, TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> > I guess the less SUVing and the more biking the better, but few, very
>> > few people are that lucky to have a choice. And those who are brave
>> > enough to do it on the road --FOR PRACTICAL PURPOSES-- deserve a
>> > medal.
>>
>> > It sounds like a COMMUNISM in reverse, where they force you drive
>> > instead of ride.
>>
>> There is some of that. My wife used to ride, but she often has to go out
>> in the field at short notice and there are no company cars to use so you
>> have to have your own vehicle. She could ride home and get the car on
>> those occasions, but it's not something she does. And of course her
>> staff is forced to drive because they could not bicycle to their field
>> sites with all their equipment.
>>
>> I've been on the road to work and gotten a call about an off-site
>> meeting too far to bicycle to, and that required carrying equipment. I
>> turned around and rode home and got the car. But I think the instances
>> of being forced to drive are pretty rare, unless the job involves going
>> out in the field a lot.
>
>Nobody but a radical can think of one solution where the SUV is at end
>and the bicycle at another. I can carry so much weight on my bikes
>though that would be impractical on foot. Well, now that the stores
>are too close for me to bike, I just got a cart and go on foot... and
>the bicycles are gathering rust.

I like biking too much to let my bike sit and rust. Now that I have a
basket on my personal bike (owner-operator for most of my day job work,
like most of the other delivery bikers at my day job), I would use it to
haul groceries even if the supermarket was only a block away.

I still have a day job where the main duty is delivering by bike, and I
commute to it mostly by bike. If not for that, I would ride the bike for
fun! For one thing, there are parts of Philadelphia that get pretty and
are nice to tour by bike when the trees get colorful in the fall or bloom
in the spring! For example, the "river drives", also parts of University
City when their many cherry trees bloom pink, and then drop "pink snow".

For that matter, I get satisfaction from biking up hills that other
cyclists complain about climbing.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)


== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 3:53 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)


In article <4bcdceeb$0$1594$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS wrote:
>On 19/04/10 3:37 PM, TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:

<SNIP to here to edit for space>

>> I'm assuming you are an American, right? Because the Europeans would
>> think you are driven into ridiculous SUVs by your also ridiculous
>> gasoline prices.
>>
>> The country is broke and you can't raise the gasoline taxes, at least
>> to pay for the last wars?
>
>Are you joking. If we had to actually pay up front for these wars via
>taxes there would be even less public support for them.
>
>Any politician that proposed raising taxes to pay for wars would be
>thrown out of office.

<SNIP after here>

It appears to me that FDR presided over a tax increase that took effect
for 1940, and got re-elected to preside over further tax increases.

Then again, the tax increase was before Pearl Harbor...

http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/history-of-federal-individual-1.html

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)


== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 4:00 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)


In article <hqklll$j4g$1@speranza.aioe.org>, h wrote:

>Why would you EVER want anything that wasn't all-wheel drive?

In the case of 4-wheel vehicles with engines:

1: Lower acquisition cost
2: Better fuel economy

Elsewhere:

3: Bikes at least generally don't have all-wheel drive but do well for me
anyway. And portable vehicles don't get trapped when the snow gets bad as
long as I am within walking distance from somewhere to go to or stay.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)


== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 5:41 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"


On Apr 20, 6:39 pm, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
> In <fff739f6-1690-424d-9412-d161dab5a...@20g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
> TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:
> >On Apr 20, 7:42 am, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> >> On 19/04/10 7:42 PM, TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit
>
> >> <snip>
>
> >> > I guess the less SUVing and the more biking the better, but few, very
> >> > few people are that lucky to have a choice. And those who are brave
> >> > enough to do it on the road --FOR PRACTICAL PURPOSES-- deserve a
> >> > medal.
>
> >> > It sounds like a COMMUNISM in reverse, where they force you drive
> >> > instead of ride.
>
> >> There is some of that. My wife used to ride, but she often has to go out
> >> in the field at short notice and there are no company cars to use so you
> >> have to have your own vehicle. She could ride home and get the car on
> >> those occasions, but it's not something she does. And of course her
> >> staff is forced to drive because they could not bicycle to their field
> >> sites with all their equipment.
>
> >> I've been on the road to work and gotten a call about an off-site
> >> meeting too far to bicycle to, and that required carrying equipment. I
> >> turned around and rode home and got the car. But I think the instances
> >> of being forced to drive are pretty rare, unless the job involves going
> >> out in the field a lot.
>
> >Nobody but a radical can think of one solution where the SUV is at end
> >and the bicycle at another. I can carry so much weight on my bikes
> >though that would be impractical on foot. Well, now that the stores
> >are too close for me to bike, I just got a cart and go on foot... and
> >the bicycles are gathering rust.
>
>   I like biking too much to let my bike sit and rust.  Now that I have a
> basket on my personal bike (owner-operator for most of my day job work,
> like most of the other delivery bikers at my day job), I would use it to
> haul groceries even if the supermarket was only a block away.
>
>   I still have a day job where the main duty is delivering by bike, and I
> commute to it mostly by bike.  If not for that, I would ride the bike for
> fun!  For one thing, there are parts of Philadelphia that get pretty and
> are nice to tour by bike when the trees get colorful in the fall or bloom
> in the spring!  For example, the "river drives", also parts of University
> City when their many cherry trees bloom pink, and then drop "pink snow".
>
>   For that matter, I get satisfaction from biking up hills that other
> cyclists complain about climbing.
>
>  - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)

You may call Miami a "Banana Republic" but hardly the boondocks, so
quite a few people may relate to what I say. I can challenge anyone
who knows Miami to tell me the routes to follow in Miami, East-West or
South-North. You may blame the Spanish mentality, but Fort Lauderdale
is not any better. In fact Ft. Lauderdale has the nation's record for
pedestrians killed. And there's no connection between Miami & Ft.
Lauderdale for a bike.

Around here the monkeys ride their cheap bikes on sidewalks. It's not
my style nor is lycra suits. I'd love to travel someday before I die
between Miami Beach and Hollywood at least, but wouldn't like to die
because of it. ;)


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 6:02 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"


Yes, things could be much better...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk6YxhKH590

Actually I think it could better than Holland and make sure bikes
don't get stolen that often. Cameras can help, I bet.

I hope someday some monkey realizes we could live in civilization, and
so the nightmare will be over. Until then, dream on!


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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 19 2010 3:51 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"


On Apr 19, 3:01 pm, "charlesgrozny" <n5...@sprynet.com> wrote:

> The passing lane, isn't that the one on the right of the solid white line?
> <G>
>
> Charles Grozny

This is a question for the driving test in the future...

A PASSING LANE IS...

__ A passing lane is the lane on a multi-lane highway or motorway
closest to the center of the road (the central reservation).

__ An imaginary lane through which the ball could be passed from a
player with the ball to another offensive player.

__ The area between two offensive players where a pass can be made.

__ The area between the ball carrier and the intended receiver of the
ball.

__ All of the above.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 19 2010 11:24 pm
From: Dennis Lee Bieber


On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:51:48 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey,
the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit" <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> declaimed
the following in alt.scooter:


> A PASSING LANE IS...
>
> __ A passing lane is the lane on a multi-lane highway or motorway
> closest to the center of the road (the central reservation).
>
Which doesn't apply to many of the freeways in my area -- where that
lane is a diamond (car pool) lane.
--
Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN
wlfraed@ix.netcom.com HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 12:01 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"


On Apr 19, 11:24 pm, Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:51:48 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey,
> the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> declaimed
> the following in alt.scooter:
>
> > A PASSING LANE IS...
>
> > __ A passing lane is the lane on a multi-lane highway or motorway
> > closest to the center of the road (the central reservation).
>
> Which doesn't apply to many of the freeways in my area -- where that
> lane is a diamond (car pool) lane.
> --

Around here too, but it has become a toll lane. Still the lanes
farther away are the SLOW LANES which I assume has some meaning too.
Understanding this would make life for cyclists so much easier where
they share the lane with the slower vehicles.


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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 19 2010 4:25 pm
From: Forrest Hodge


On 4/19/2010 6:37 PM, TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:
> On Apr 19, 2:18 pm, Forrest Hodge<f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 4/18/2010 9:30 PM, TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:> Look at this list of "car of the year" nominations and count the ones
>>> you can find in America...
>>
>>> http://www.worldcarfans.com/109062320073/2010-european-car-of-the-yea...
>>
>>> Perhaps the Citroen Picasso is the most unique.
>>
>> The only two cars that list that appeal to me in the least are the 370Z
>> and E-Class coupe. The majority of the those are tin-can-on-wheels FWD
>> econoboxes that the Europeans are basically legislated into buying due
>> to absurd fuel taxation.
>
> I'm assuming you are an American, right? Because the Europeans would
> think you are driven into ridiculous SUVs by your also ridiculous
> gasoline prices.
>
> The country is broke and you can't raise the gasoline taxes, at least
> to pay for the last wars?

I am American. And I do in fact own a "ridiculous" SUV, it has served me
faithfully over the past 13 years and 200k+ miles. It's not my daily
driver, though it once was, these days it's used mainly for *GASP* off
roading, towing and hauling. My daily driver is a modified Mustang GT,
it's not all that more fuel efficient than the Bronco, but it's much
more fun to drive. I also have 1974 Triumph TR6, which is also a blast
to drive, has tons of character, and makes for a fun hobby.


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 19 2010 5:38 pm
From: SMS


On 19/04/10 4:25 PM, Forrest Hodge wrote:

> I am American. And I do in fact own a "ridiculous" SUV, it has served me
> faithfully over the past 13 years and 200k+ miles. It's not my daily
> driver, though it once was, these days it's used mainly for *GASP* off
> roading, towing and hauling. My daily driver is a modified Mustang GT,
> it's not all that more fuel efficient than the Bronco, but it's much
> more fun to drive. I also have 1974 Triumph TR6, which is also a blast
> to drive, has tons of character, and makes for a fun hobby.

That's the key thing. There's nothing wrong with an SUV for use
recreationally, but IMVAIO way too many people are using them as their
daily commute vehicle.

I had a 1985 Toyota Land Cruiser. In 16 years I put about 80,000 miles
on it, nearly all of which was trips to the mountains with four or five
people plus all their gear. At 11 city/13 highway it was never intended
to be a daily driver. Now the SUV is a smaller 4Runner, nine years old
now, but again, it's not used much. The problem is that it _would_ be
cheaper to use it as a daily driver than to have a separate vehicle for
commuting (though the SUV would not last as long). The insurance and
licensing need to be paid no matter how much you drive each vehicle.
Since the insurance goes with the vehicle, not with the driver,
insurance companies argue that there should not be much of a discount on
the second vehicle because it could be loaned to someone else.


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 19 2010 7:42 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"


On Apr 19, 8:38 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 19/04/10 4:25 PM, Forrest Hodge wrote:
>
> > I am American. And I do in fact own a "ridiculous" SUV, it has served me
> > faithfully over the past 13 years and 200k+ miles. It's not my daily
> > driver, though it once was, these days it's used mainly for *GASP* off
> > roading, towing and hauling. My daily driver is a modified Mustang GT,
> > it's not all that more fuel efficient than the Bronco, but it's much
> > more fun to drive. I also have 1974 Triumph TR6, which is also a blast
> > to drive, has tons of character, and makes for a fun hobby.
>
> That's the key thing. There's nothing wrong with an SUV for use
> recreationally, but IMVAIO way too many people are using them as their
> daily commute vehicle.
>
> I had a 1985 Toyota Land Cruiser. In 16 years I put about 80,000 miles
> on it, nearly all of which was trips to the mountains with four or five
> people plus all their gear. At 11 city/13 highway it was never intended
> to be a daily driver. Now the SUV is a smaller 4Runner, nine years old
> now, but again, it's not used much. The problem is that it _would_ be
> cheaper to use it as a daily driver than to have a separate vehicle for
> commuting (though the SUV would not last as long). The insurance and
> licensing need to be paid no matter how much you drive each vehicle.
> Since the insurance goes with the vehicle, not with the driver,
> insurance companies argue that there should not be much of a discount on
> the second vehicle because it could be loaned to someone else.

I guess the less SUVing and the more biking the better, but few, very
few people are that lucky to have a choice. And those who are brave
enough to do it on the road --FOR PRACTICAL PURPOSES-- deserve a
medal.

It sounds like a COMMUNISM in reverse, where they force you drive
instead of ride.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 19 2010 9:09 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"


One thing about the shit is that it's like a can of worms. Once you
open it...

On Apr 20, 12:00 am, "Fred C. Dobbs" <fred.c.do...@earthlink.not>
wrote:
> On 4/19/2010 8:29 PM, TibetanMarginal,
> the-Marginal-who-is-a-Bag-of-Shit, bullshitted:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 19, 11:26 pm, TUKA<t...@tuka.valuemedia.com> wrote:
> >> On 2010-04-20, Fred C. Dobbs<fred.c.do...@earthlink.not> wrote:
>
> >>> On 4/19/2010 7:36 PM, TibetanMarginal,
> >>> the-Marginal-who-is-a-Bag-of-Shit, bullshitted:
> >>>> On Apr 19, 7:40 pm, "Fred C. Dobbs"<fred.c.do...@earthlink.not>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> On 4/19/2010 4:21 PM, TibetanMarginal,
> >>>>> the-Marginal-who-is-a-Bag-of-Shit, bullshitted:
>
> >>>>>> I guess it takes a wise monkey to figure that out.
>
> >>>>> You'll never figure anything out.
>
> >>>>> Gasoline is already taxed.
>
> >>>> Experts say it is SUBSIDIZED...
>
> >>> No, "experts" say no such thing. It's taxed.
>
> >>> You're too stupid to participate here, Comrade ShitMonkey.
>
> >> They will probably claim that because we don't tax it at the
> >> confiscatory levels of socialist Europe, we subsidize it.
>
> > And they are right
>
> They're wrong.

You seem to lack both expertise and common sense.

I see the WASTE everywhere. Trucks are getting even BIGGER this year.
And gas is not taxed enough to pay for the war.

You support the war and the troops, right? ;)

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 19 2010 11:52 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"


On Apr 19, 11:28 pm, "Jim Warman" <mecha...@telusplanet.net> wrote:
> While you are riding your bike... consider that you are pissing people off.
> The folks you are pissing of, are the ones that you would want on your side
> at some later date...
>
> as for Toyota? I imagine they don't know you me or any others in this mess
> from Adam... they couldn't give a fuck who you are... and, without any
> friends, they will never give a fuck who you are... (let alone ever know who
> you are).
>
> You have achieved a goal... but I do not think it is the one you desired.
>
> If you ever wanted people on your side, it doesn't appear like you have
> earned any allies in these newsgroups...
>
> Put on your spandex (I imagine you feel you look sexy in that shit) - stick
> that goofy fucking hat on your head and go cruising for babes on your
> tricked out bike.
>
> If Toyota ever looks at any of your drivel, do not expect me to lend you any
> credibility... (there is even the chance that you are already lunch room
> humour at any and all Toyota offices...).
>
> I'm sure your daddy is proud of his little dick turd...
>
> Notice the header has changed.
>
> "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in messagenews:02ac3f9b-77ba-4544-8f6b-87e7bad2f37f@n31g2000vbd.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 19, 12:34 pm, "BK" <miatab...@charter.net> wrote:
>
> > I think you need to go for a drive.
>
> Thank you. I will do. But riding a bike would be even better.

Making noise and throwing shit has been proven by many years of
evolution, and Toyota may also be subject to that game.

All lions need good PR (arguably corporations act like lions) and this
not what they welcome. Maybe they give a shit about it, and there lies
their weakness.

Neither you nor I are using the crystal ball to know the future, but I
don't think most people here has seen my pranks as more than a wake up
call or maybe a teasing into action. We need change and we need it
fast. No ifs and buts. The revolution is here to put REVERSE HIERARCHY
in place: FIRST PEDESTRIAN, THEN CYCLIST, THEN SCOOTERS, THEN SMALL
CAR AND PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.

Yes, America is missing the train too when it comes to bullet trains.
Wake up to reality and look to Europe and Japan. No more speeches for
today.

Say hi to Toyota people!


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