Frugal Living: Jun 11, 2011

Saturday, June 11, 2011

misc.consumers.frugal-living - 16 new messages in 10 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: red and pink accents throughout the base. This Nike running sneaker
pays tribute to Dave's Quality Meat namesake. http://www.nike-airmax-
seller.com
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 9 2011 11:35 pm
From: jerser-2009

Wer es auff?llig mag sollte die Augen nach diesem Nike WMNS Dunk
Low offen halten. Fast das gesamte Obermaterial besteht dabei aus
einem knalligen Neon-Grün. Passend dazu zeigen<a title="Air Force One"
href="http://www.nike-airmax-seller.com/">Air Force One</a> sich die
Seitenpartien, sowie das Innenfutter und die Sohle in Schwarz. In
Weiss gehalten ist die Zwischensohle, der Swoosh und die
Schnürrsenkel. Bombe. Nike is well-known to the majority
of us, Nike footwear outlet are so sizzling thesedays. Nike outlet on
the internet contain As part of Nike's continuing East
vs. West Rivalry pack, Nike linked up with Dave's Quality Meats to
represent the East. Dave's Quality Meats designed the Air Max 90
Current Huarache PR (East Bacon Edition) running sneaker as part of a
match up with the Nike Air Max 90 Current Huarache (Huf). Bringing
their <a title="Nike Air Max 2011" href="http://www.nike-airmax-
seller.com/nike-air-max-2011-c-112.html">Nike Air Max 2011</a>now
classic "Bacon" colorway to the new Nike Air Max 90 Current
Huarache, the Nike Air Max 90 Current Huarache PR (East Bacon Edition)
uses a signature brown, tan and light-pink colorway, it possesses a
mostly dark brown base with multiple sections of beige on the inner
lining, collar area, and toe area. It also contains various red and
pink accents throughout the base. This Nike running sneaker pays
tribute to Dave's Quality Meat namesake. http://www.nike-
airmax-seller.com

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TOPIC: Where do you go to address community issues?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 10 2011 5:31 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

Though this manual was originally intended for the Army, we may as
well use as a DRIVING MANUAL:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc4h0qcAIpE

The problem is we cyclists are not on a level field and must resort to
good luck. For the most part though it becomes NO MAN'S LAND, and few
cyclists dare beyond the winding, grinding sidewalks.

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TOPIC: Jesus, the down to earth guy
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 10 2011 5:40 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

> >http://www.dst-corp.com/james/PaintingsOfJesus/Jesus10.jpg
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> > Even my monkey bike is more regal.
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> Right. He can walk on water, float in the air, but
> can't walk into town on his own. Poor donkey.

I think the donkey is three sizes too small.

He rented the cheapest one he could find to drive his point of being
"down to earth."

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http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 10 2011 5:55 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

On Jun 10, 8:44 am, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <ilbeba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 10, 7:39 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
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> Philosopher" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >http://www.dst-corp.com/james/PaintingsOfJesus/Jesus10.jpg
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> > > > Even my monkey bike is more regal.
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> > > Right. He can walk on water, float in the air, but
> > > can't walk into town on his own. Poor donkey.
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> > I think the donkey is three sizes too small.
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> > He rented the cheapest one he could find to drive his point of being
> > "down to earth."
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> > --------------------------------------------------------------
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> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
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> 'Every knee shall bow and declare Jesus Christ as Lord (Creator and
> King)' ... and you will want to when you finally see him face to
> face . Youre just one heartbeat away from that . Investigate Jesus
> very thoroughly and put aside all manner of personal pride so you can
> live as you like, because, this short earthly life of pleasures and
> titillating experiences will one day be permanently gone. Start
> here :www.impactapologetics.com

The Christians are anything but down to earth. I think they are first
in the competition to show who got the biggest truck (SUV).

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 10 2011 4:50 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

On Jun 10, 7:35 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 10, 7:20 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
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> Philosopher" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 10, 7:07 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > On Jun 10, 7:02 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
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> > > Philosopher" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > On Jun 10, 6:44 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > > On Jun 10, 8:36 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
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> > > > > Philosopher" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Jun 9, 11:22 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > On May 1, 11:24 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
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> > > > > > > Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > On May 1, 11:14 pm, Ken <flakey...@aol.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > On May 1, 8:13 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
> > > > > > > > > Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote to ASSman:
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> > > > > > > > > > I have the wisdom of the jungle and evolution behind me, 4 billion
> > > > > > > > > > years in the making, and you?
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> > > > > > > > > ASSman doesn't have diddly squat!
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> > > > > > > > Don't you follow the man that rode an ass?
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> > > > > > > >http://www.dst-corp.com/james/PaintingsOfJesus/Jesus10.jpg
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> > > > > > > > Even my monkey bike is more regal.
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> > > > > > > Right. He can walk on water, float in the air, but
> > > > > > > can't walk into town on his own. Poor donkey.
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> > > > > > I think the donkey is three sizes too small.
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> > > > > > He rented the cheapest one he could find to drive his point of being
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> > > > > He probably broke the poor animal's back. They
> > > > > probably had to shoot it.
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> > > > Well, Jesus may actually have been able to walk while riding the
> > > > donkey.
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> > > A real jesus would have carried the donkey.
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> > You'd expect him to ride a winged horse and he shows up in a lowly
> > donkey.
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> > He's totally unpredictable. I think he would ride a skateboard today.- Hide quoted text -
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> Add road rash to the rest of his stigmata.

He was something else to be sure...

http://urlybits.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Jesus_skateboarding.jpg

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TOPIC: iPhone Shopping App
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Date: Fri, Jun 10 2011 5:53 am
From: "peexter.seo@elantechnologies.com"

Hi All,

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and opinions. This way, this trendsetting iPhone shopping app can
actually encourage people to get to know different products and
services which they might have not have known at all.

Users will also be able to follow and continue their brand preferences
or store preferences and get to know real-time updates about a new
product or a new collection being launched along with the latest
offers and promotions. For more details visit: http://www.peexter.com
or http://app.peexter.com

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TOPIC: TAMIL ACTRESS HOT PHOTOS & VIDEOS
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Date: Fri, Jun 10 2011 8:33 am
From: RAMYA

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http://southactresstou.blogspot.com/2011/05/kajal-agarwal.html

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TOPIC: Joys of riding bike on sidewalk
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 10 2011 10:05 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

On Jun 10, 10:47 am, Frank Krygowski <frkry...@gmail.com> wrote:
> A video on the joys of bike lanes. (And on being ticketed for not
> using one.)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzE-IMaegzQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k00bEZJ0-E

It's not that I agree with it, but sometimes you gotta do what it
takes to survive.

One big issue I have against it is those drivers that ignore you
coming out of driveways or blocking the pedestrian x-ing at
intersections. Perhaps you should practice your BMX skills and jump
over the car.

The video says, "sidewalks are pedestrian deserts," which is true, but
sometimes you find one that won't move. The real challenge is when
both of you won't fit and must become a pedestrian yourself. Then you
start wondering if bicycling is worth it after all.

If you take it as "challenging path" though, you may start
experiencing the "joys of riding on sidewalk."

I'm back from one of those "joy rides"!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 10 2011 10:14 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

NOTE: The original title of this was 'THE JOYS OF BIKE LANES,' but me,
being a playful monkey, change it around:

'THE JOYS OF BIKE RIDING ON SIDEWALK'

Believe it or not, I was shocked to learn that many cyclists strongly
oppose bike lanes. Must be the "lions" of the bicycle culture.

On Jun 10, 10:47 am, Frank Krygowski <frkry...@gmail.com> wrote:
> A video on the joys of bike lanes. (And on being ticketed for not
> using one.)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzE-IMaegzQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k00bEZJ0-E

It's not that I agree with it, but sometimes you gotta do what it
takes to survive.

If you take it as "challenging path" though, you may start
experiencing the "joys of riding on sidewalk."

I'm back from one of those "joy rides"!

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Ask for it by name:

http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

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TOPIC: WHAT IS ISLAM? ????????????
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Date: Fri, Jun 10 2011 10:46 am
From: cv

WHAT IS ISLAM?

Can we find an explanation of the great universe? Is there any
convincing interpretation of the secret of existence? We realize that
no family can function properly without a responsible head, that no
city can prosperously exist without sound administration, and that no
state can survive without a leader of some kind. We also realize that
nothing comes into being on its own. Moreover, we observe that the
universe exists and functions in the most orderly manner, and that it
has survived for hundreds of thousand of years. Can we then say that
all this is accidental and haphazard? Can we attribute the existence
of man and the whole world to mere chance.
Man represents only a very small portion of the great universe. And if
he can make plans and appreciate the merits of planning, then his own
existence and the survival of the universe must also be a planned
policy. This means that there is an extraordinary power to bring
things into being and keep them moving in order.
In the world then must be a great force in action to keep everything
in order. In the beautiful nature there must be a Great creator who
creates the most charming pieces of art produces every thing for a
special purpose in life. The deeply enlightened people recognize this
creator and call him Allah "God". He is not a man because no man can
create or make another man. He is not an animal, nor he is a plant. He
is neither an Idol nor is He a statue of any kind because non of these
things can make itself or create anything else. He is different from
all these things because he is the maker and keeper of them all. The
maker of anything must be different from and greater than things which
he makes.
There are various ways to know God "ALLAH'' and there are many things
to tell about him. The great wonders and impressive marvels of the
world are like open books in which we can read about God. Besides, God
Himself comes to our aid through the many Messengers and revelations
He has sent down to man. These Messengers and revelations tell us
everything we need to know about God.
The complete acceptance of the teachings and guidance of God 'Allah'
as revealed to His Messengers Muhammad is the religion of Islam. Islam
enjoins faith in the oneness and sovereignty of Allah, which makes man
aware of meaningfulness of the Universe and of his place in it. This
belief frees him from all fears and superstitions by making him
conscious of the presence of the Almighty Allah and of man's
obligations towards Him. This faith must be expressed and tested in
actions, faith alone is not enough. Belief in one God requires that we
look upon all humanity as one family under the universal Omnipotence
of God the Creator and Nourisher of all. Islam rejects the idea of
chosen people, making belief in God and good actions the only way to
heaven. Thus, a direct relationship in established with God, without
any intercessor.
Islam is not a new religion. It is, in essence, the same message and
guidance which Allah revealed to all Prophets. Adam, Noah, Abraham,
Ismael, David, Moses and Jesus (PBUT). But the message which was
revealed to Prophet Mohammed (PBUT) is Islam in its comprehensive,
complete and final form.
The Quran is the last revealed word of Allah and the basic source of
Islamic teachings and laws. The Quran deals with the basis of creeds,
morality, history of humanity, worship, knowledge, wisdom, God-man
relationship, and human relationship in all aspects. Comprehensive
teaching on which, can be built sound systems of social justice,
economics, politics, legislation, jurisprudence, law and international
relations, are important contents of the Quran. Hadith, the teachings,
sayings and actions of Prophet Mohammed (PBUT), meticulously reported
and collected by his devoted companions. Explained and elaborated the
Quranic verses.
THE FUNDAMENTAL ARTICLES OF FAITH IN ISLAM
The true faithful Muslim believes in the following Principal articles
of faith:-
1. He believes in One God 'Allah', Supreme and Eternal, Infinite and
Mighty, Merciful and Compassionate, Creator and Provider.
2. He believes in all Messengers of God without any discrimination
among them. Every known nation had a warner or Messenger from God.
They were chosen by God to teach mankind and deliver His divine
message. The Quran mentions the name of twenty five of them. Among
them Mohammad stands as the last Messenger and the crowning glory of
the foundation of Prophethood.
3. Muslin believes in all scriptures and revelations of God. They were
the guiding light which the Messengers received to show their
respected peoples the Right Path of God. In the Quran a special
reference is made to the books of Abraham, Moses, David and Jesus. But
long before the revelations has been lost or corrupted. The only
authentic and complete book of God in existence in the Quran.
4. The true Muslim believes in the Angels of Allah. They are purely
spiritual and splendid beings whose nature requires no0061 Z food,
drink or sleep. They spend their days and nights in the worship of
God.
5. Muslim believes in the last Day of Judgement. This world will come
to an end someday, and the dead will rise to stand for their final and
fair trial. People with good records will be generously, rewarded and
warmly welcomed to the Heaven of Allah, and those with bad records
will be punished and cast into Hell.
6. Muslim believes in the timeless knowledge of God and His power to
plan and execute His planes and nothing could happen in His Kingdom
against His will. His knowledge and power are in action at all times
and command over His creation. He is wise and merciful, and whatever
He does must have a meaningful purpose. If this is established in our
mind and hearts, we should accept with good faith all that He does,
although we may fail to under stand it fully, or think it is bad.
THE FIVE PILLARS OF ISLAM
Faith without actions arid practice is a dead end, as far as Islam is
concerned. Faith by nature is very sensitive and can be most
effective. When it is not out of practice or out of use, it quickly
loses its liveliness and motivation power.
There are five pillars of Islam:
1 - The declaration of faith: To bear witness that there is none
worthy of worship except Allah, and that Mohammad (PBUH) is His
Messenger to all human beings till the Day of Judgment. The
Prophethood of Mohammad obliges the Muslims to follow, His exemplary
life as a model.
2 - Prayers: Daily, prayers are offered five times a day as a duty
towards Allah. They strengthen and enliven the belief in Allah and
inspire man to a higher morality. They purity the heart and prevent
temptation towards wrong - doings and evil.
3 - Fasting the month of Ramadan. The Muslims during the month of
Ramadan not only abstain from food, drink and sexual intercourse from
dawn to sunset but also sincerity and devotion. It develops a sound
social conscience, patience, unselfishness and will - Power.
4 - Zakkah: The literal and simple meaning of Zakkah is charity. The
technical meaning of this word designates the annual amount in kind or
coin which a Muslim with means must distribute among the rightful
beneficiaries. But the religious and spiritual significance of Zakkah
is much deeper and more lively. So it has humanitarian and
sociopolitical values.
5 - Hajj (Pilgrimage to Makkah): It is to be performed once in a
lifetime, if one can afford it financially and physically.

If you wish to know more about Islam, we prefer to visit the following
websites:

http://www.islam-guide.com

http://www.islamhouse.com/s/9661

http://www.todayislam.com

http://www.thekeytoislam.com

http://www.islamland.com

http://www.discoverislam.com

http://www.thetruereligion.org

http://www.beconvinced.com

http://islamtomorrow.com

http://www.thisistruth.org

http://www.quran-m.com/firas/en1

http://kaheel7.com/eng

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran

http://www.quranforall.org

http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran

http://www.knowmuhammad.com

http://www.rasoulallah.net/v2/index.aspx?lang=e

http://www.prophetmuhammed.org

http://www.chatislamonline.org/ar

http://www.dar-us-salam.com

http://youtubeislam.com

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TOPIC: Must find a substitute for Kool Aid
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 10 2011 12:51 pm
From: The Real Bev

On 06/09/11 23:33, Fake ID wrote:

> The Real Bev<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Bought some of the Walmart stuff yesterday, but haven't tried it
>> yet. Comes in the same little tubular packages that Crystal Light
>> comes in now. Do you suppose that's more than a coincidence?
>
> I haven't paid attention to CL packaging in quite a while. But that
> reminds me that WalMart recently changed theirs from a cylidrical
> container with 6 tubs to a rectangrical(?) container with 6
> envelopes. The new packaging has 7 fewer parts, which I figure is
> significant on a product where the package costs about as much as
> the contents.
>
> I go through about a gallon a day (tea flavors), so whatever traces
> of rodent there are should be accumulating rapidly.

You're probably developing an immunity.

I'm trying to figure out what those plastic packages (with LIDS!) would
be good for. I hate throwing away containers that might be useful...

I need to finish a half-gallon of milk before I have a tea container :-(

--
Cheers, Bev
_______________________________________________________
I love the way Microsoft follows standards. In much the
same manner that fish follow migrating caribou.
-- Paul Tomblin

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 10 2011 11:23 pm
From: no-spam@sonic.net (Fake ID)

In article <istsjo$8sc$1@dont-email.me>,
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 06/09/11 23:33, Fake ID wrote:
>
>> The Real Bev<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bought some of the Walmart stuff yesterday, but haven't tried it
>>> yet. Comes in the same little tubular packages that Crystal Light
>>> comes in now. Do you suppose that's more than a coincidence?
>>
>> I haven't paid attention to CL packaging in quite a while. But that
>> reminds me that WalMart recently changed theirs from a cylidrical
>> container with 6 tubs to a rectangrical(?) container with 6
>> envelopes. The new packaging has 7 fewer parts, which I figure is
>> significant on a product where the package costs about as much as
>> the contents.
>>
>
>I'm trying to figure out what those plastic packages (with LIDS!) would
>be good for. I hate throwing away containers that might be useful...

The round ones happened to be just the right size for my spare spin-down
trapper filter cartridges. When the packaging changed I quit throwing
the old ones out, but probably have too many now.

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TOPIC: Ryobi Battery
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 10 2011 1:33 pm
From: jeff

I'm in need of some new Ryobi 18V batteries. What I would really like
is the LiIon, but the batteries are a little pricey and you need a new
$30 charger.

Any recommendations for an after market?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 10 2011 5:31 pm
From: "The Henchman"

"jeff" wrote in message news:istv2o$fp0$1@news.albasani.net...

I'm in need of some new Ryobi 18V batteries. What I would really like
is the LiIon, but the batteries are a little pricey and you need a new
$30 charger.

Any recommendations for an after market?

-----------------------

Ebay or Criagslist or Kijiji

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TOPIC: Joys of riding bike on bikewalk
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 10 2011 3:45 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

PROPOSAL TO RENAME SIDEWALKS:

The term sidewalk is old fashioned and means nothing. It actually may
be discriminatory against cyclists. "Bikewalk" though means that both
pedestrians and cyclists are welcomed and it's the politically correct
term. Bike or Walk, whatever! And where are the pedestrians anyway? It
must be someone who's too old to ride a bike, in which case he/she may
be too old to cross the mean streets anyway. To be on the sidewalks --
pardon the old discriminatory language-- you must be able to run. And
what is a cyclist if not a pedestrian on wheels?

"Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct; both forms
commonly abbreviated to PC) is a term which denotes language, ideas,
policies, and behavior seen as seeking to minimize social and
institutional offense in occupational, gender, racial, cultural,
sexual orientation, certain other religions, beliefs or ideologies,
disability, and age-related contexts, and doing so to an excessive
extent."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness

On Jun 10, 10:47 am, Frank Krygowski <frkry...@gmail.com> wrote:

> A video on the joys of bike lanes. (And on being ticketed for not
> using one.)

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzE-IMaegzQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k00bEZJ0-E

It's not that I agree with it, but sometimes you gotta do what it
takes to survive.

If you take it as "challenging path" though, you may start
experiencing the "joys of riding on sidewalk."

I'm back from one of those "joy rides"!

-------------------------------------------------------------

Ask for it by name:

http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 10 2011 8:10 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

On Jun 10, 10:22 pm, Miles Bader <mi...@gnu.org> wrote:
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> writes:
> > Believe it or not, I was shocked to learn that many cyclists strongly
> > oppose bike lanes. Must be the "lions" of the bicycle culture.
>
> Shocked? Bicycle "advocacy" (like most "advocacy") is full of this
> sort of stupid infighting....
>
> I imagine that people who "oppose bike lanes" actually do have a
> somewhat more nuanced position (er, except the stupid ones, of
> course), e.g., maybe they oppose half-hearted implementation of
> bike-lanes where the details end up making bicycling more dangerous.
> For instance, if the lanes are very fragmented, the requirement to
> constantly merge back and forth into traffic may end up making things
> more dangerous than simply riding in traffic the entire way...
>
> [I like bike lanes generally, especially when they're well-separated
> (trees!), but I suppose crappy bike lanes are just that...]

You just got the right wisdom. Bike lanes are not universal solutions
but are absolutely necessary in some areas. One big problem we got
around here is that we find the fragmented type that leaves you with
no consistent routes. I do oppose that they are mandatory and I think
two people should be able to ride abreast on the lane.

Some of these "freedom" advocates are elitist riders who go over 20mph
and want to include mundane practical cyclists in the same category.

We want people to feel safe to go to the market without the need of
winding and grinding sidewalks.

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