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== 1 of 15 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 8 2011 12:13 am
From: JNugent
On 08/03/2011 04:56, T�m Sherm�n� �_� > wrote:
> On 3/7/2011 2:44 PM, JNugent wrote:
>> On 07/03/2011 15:18, Opus wrote:
>>> PTSD doesn't come in flavors, it is or it isn't, you have it or you
>>> don't. And I wasn't just hit by a vehicle, someone used a vehicle as a
>>> weapon against me at high speed on a suburban street. Actually I have
>>> "just" been hit by(with) a vehicle many, many times as people try to
>>> get me off "their" roads. For me riding my bike is a lot like combat
>>> patrols where the rules of engagement prohibit me from carrying any
>>> live ammo, because I cannot engage my enemy on equal terms when they
>>> drive a car and I'm riding a bicycle. I didn't like going on a combat
>>> patrol with empty magazines, and I'm not happy with the state of law
>>> enforcement in the town I live in at the moment.
>> Welcome to the club.
>> You will find many here who are equally unhappy with the lack of
>> enforcement of the rules of the road, eg, cycling along along footways,
>> failure to stop at red traffic lights and progressing the wrong way
>> along a one way street. And travelling at night without lights.
> Compare and contrast: Number of cyclists and pedestrians killed by motorists
> operating illegally versus the number of motorists killed by cyclists and
> pedestrians operating illegally.
Why?
== 2 of 15 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 8 2011 3:16 am
From: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net">
On 3/8/2011 2:13 AM, JNugent wrote:
> On 08/03/2011 04:56, T�m Sherm�n� �_� > wrote:
>
>> On 3/7/2011 2:44 PM, JNugent wrote:
>>> On 07/03/2011 15:18, Opus wrote:
>
>>>> PTSD doesn't come in flavors, it is or it isn't, you have it or you
>>>> don't. And I wasn't just hit by a vehicle, someone used a vehicle as a
>>>> weapon against me at high speed on a suburban street. Actually I have
>>>> "just" been hit by(with) a vehicle many, many times as people try to
>>>> get me off "their" roads. For me riding my bike is a lot like combat
>>>> patrols where the rules of engagement prohibit me from carrying any
>>>> live ammo, because I cannot engage my enemy on equal terms when they
>>>> drive a car and I'm riding a bicycle. I didn't like going on a combat
>>>> patrol with empty magazines, and I'm not happy with the state of law
>>>> enforcement in the town I live in at the moment.
>
>>> Welcome to the club.
>>> You will find many here who are equally unhappy with the lack of
>>> enforcement of the rules of the road, eg, cycling along along footways,
>>> failure to stop at red traffic lights and progressing the wrong way
>>> along a one way street. And travelling at night without lights.
>
>> Compare and contrast: Number of cyclists and pedestrians killed by
>> motorists
>> operating illegally versus the number of motorists killed by cyclists and
>> pedestrians operating illegally.
>
> Why?
If you have to ask.
--
T�m Sherm�n - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.
== 3 of 15 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 8 2011 3:42 am
From: Harry Brogan
On Tue, 08 Mar 2011 08:13:35 +0000, JNugent <jenningsltd@fastmail.fm>
wrote:
>On 08/03/2011 04:56, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° > wrote:
>
>> On 3/7/2011 2:44 PM, JNugent wrote:
>>> On 07/03/2011 15:18, Opus wrote:
>
>>>> PTSD doesn't come in flavors, it is or it isn't, you have it or you
>>>> don't. And I wasn't just hit by a vehicle, someone used a vehicle as a
>>>> weapon against me at high speed on a suburban street. Actually I have
>>>> "just" been hit by(with) a vehicle many, many times as people try to
>>>> get me off "their" roads. For me riding my bike is a lot like combat
>>>> patrols where the rules of engagement prohibit me from carrying any
>>>> live ammo, because I cannot engage my enemy on equal terms when they
>>>> drive a car and I'm riding a bicycle. I didn't like going on a combat
>>>> patrol with empty magazines, and I'm not happy with the state of law
>>>> enforcement in the town I live in at the moment.
>
>>> Welcome to the club.
>>> You will find many here who are equally unhappy with the lack of
>>> enforcement of the rules of the road, eg, cycling along along footways,
>>> failure to stop at red traffic lights and progressing the wrong way
>>> along a one way street. And travelling at night without lights.
>
>> Compare and contrast: Number of cyclists and pedestrians killed by motorists
>> operating illegally versus the number of motorists killed by cyclists and
>> pedestrians operating illegally.
>
>Why?
Asinine statement.
== 4 of 15 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 8 2011 5:09 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"
On Mar 7, 12:24 pm, Judith <jmsmith2...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Mar 2011 07:18:39 -0800 (PST), Opus <opusthep...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >PTSD doesn't come in flavors, it is or it isn't, you have it or you
> >don't. And I wasn't just hit by a vehicle, someone used a vehicle as a
> >weapon against me at high speed on a suburban street. Actually I have
> >"just" been hit by(with) a vehicle many, many times as people try to
> >get me off "their" roads. For me riding my bike is a lot like combat
> >patrols where the rules of engagement prohibit me from carrying any
> >live ammo, because I cannot engage my enemy on equal terms when they
> >drive a car and I'm riding a bicycle. I didn't like going on a combat
> >patrol with empty magazines, and I'm not happy with the state of law
> >enforcement in the town I live in at the moment.
>
> Most odd - I wonder if the way that you ride and your consideration for other road users contributes
> to this aggression you seem to attract.
I wonder as well if our mere presence in the Middle East fuels
terrorism. Maybe it does, and maybe it did lead to 9/11... I'm sure
you must be asking questions like this as well.
Drivers just don't want us there, though our presence is fully
justified. They cut you off right in your face and if you don't slow
down, you may be another road kill. THEY ARE TERRORISTS!
== 5 of 15 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 8 2011 5:10 am
From: Simon Lewis
"His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign" <comandante.banana@yahoo.com> writes:
> On Mar 7, 12:24 pm, Judith <jmsmith2...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Mon, 7 Mar 2011 07:18:39 -0800 (PST), Opus <opusthep...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >PTSD doesn't come in flavors, it is or it isn't, you have it or you
>> >don't. And I wasn't just hit by a vehicle, someone used a vehicle as a
>> >weapon against me at high speed on a suburban street. Actually I have
>> >"just" been hit by(with) a vehicle many, many times as people try to
>> >get me off "their" roads. For me riding my bike is a lot like combat
>> >patrols where the rules of engagement prohibit me from carrying any
>> >live ammo, because I cannot engage my enemy on equal terms when they
>> >drive a car and I'm riding a bicycle. I didn't like going on a combat
>> >patrol with empty magazines, and I'm not happy with the state of law
>> >enforcement in the town I live in at the moment.
>>
>> Most odd - I wonder if the way that you ride and your consideration for other road users contributes
>> to this aggression you seem to attract.
>
> I wonder as well if our mere presence in the Middle East fuels
> terrorism. Maybe it does, and maybe it did lead to 9/11... I'm sure
> you must be asking questions like this as well.
>
> Drivers just don't want us there, though our presence is fully
> justified. They cut you off right in your face and if you don't slow
> down, you may be another road kill. THEY ARE TERRORISTS!
You sound like an idiot. In cycling on roads for more than 30 years I
can count "incidents" on one hand. And of those only one was almost a
spill caused by idiot teenagers in a souped up pimp mobile.
== 6 of 15 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 8 2011 5:19 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"
On Mar 7, 2:32 pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <p...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
> FatterDumber& Happier Moe wrote:
> > His Highness the TibetanMonkey, aka Comandante Banana wrote:
> >> Reading from Afghanistan it sounds like the daily struggle for
> >> survival among cyclists:
>
> >> "It's a day-by-day thing and you don't know if you're going to be the
> >> guy to get hit the next day, so you just keep on pushing"
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110305/ap_on_re_as/as_afghanistan_combat...
>
>
>
>
>
> >> I think we are all affected by it to degree or another, knowing that
> >> no medals will be awarded. And that's what bugs me: no medals or
> >> severance pay forthcoming.
>
> >> Well, they say, "A man gotta do what a man gotta do!"
>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >>http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> > Selfish thinking again, do you know what a bike can do to the under
> > carriage of a car?
> > Now go get a job, better yet, join the Army or even better the
> > Marines, they will take good care of you.
>
> You've got to keep them from getting under there. For passenger cars (lower
> ground clearance) this isn't a big problem. But for trucks and SUVs, they
> can tear thins up. What with the cost of exhaust system repairs, some
> prevention is wise.
>
> Skid plates can minimize quite a bit of damage. But the OEM equipment is
> rarely sufficient to protect the entire undercarriage. Preventing bicycles
> from getting underneath a vehicle is usually the wisest move. And probably
> the best way of doing this is to install a set of "Idaho Stop bars" (also
> sometimes called bull bars) on the front bumper. These catch the errant
> cyclist and keep them from sliding underneath the vehicle. As an added
> benefit, they protect the front grill and radiator from damage. And they
> are available with winch mounts. Very handy should you high center yourself
> on top of a couple of cyclists and need to pull yourself off.
This sounds like you making fun of soldiers blown to pieces by an IED
so they can keep "America free" --for the big fish to eat the little
fish.
== 7 of 15 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 8 2011 5:29 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"
On Mar 8, 8:10 am, Simon Lewis <simonlewis2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
>
>
>
> Campaign" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> writes:
> > On Mar 7, 12:24 pm, Judith <jmsmith2...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 7 Mar 2011 07:18:39 -0800 (PST), Opus <opusthep...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >PTSD doesn't come in flavors, it is or it isn't, you have it or you
> >> >don't. And I wasn't just hit by a vehicle, someone used a vehicle as a
> >> >weapon against me at high speed on a suburban street. Actually I have
> >> >"just" been hit by(with) a vehicle many, many times as people try to
> >> >get me off "their" roads. For me riding my bike is a lot like combat
> >> >patrols where the rules of engagement prohibit me from carrying any
> >> >live ammo, because I cannot engage my enemy on equal terms when they
> >> >drive a car and I'm riding a bicycle. I didn't like going on a combat
> >> >patrol with empty magazines, and I'm not happy with the state of law
> >> >enforcement in the town I live in at the moment.
>
> >> Most odd - I wonder if the way that you ride and your consideration for other road users contributes
> >> to this aggression you seem to attract.
>
> > I wonder as well if our mere presence in the Middle East fuels
> > terrorism. Maybe it does, and maybe it did lead to 9/11... I'm sure
> > you must be asking questions like this as well.
>
> > Drivers just don't want us there, though our presence is fully
> > justified. They cut you off right in your face and if you don't slow
> > down, you may be another road kill. THEY ARE TERRORISTS!
>
> You sound like an idiot. In cycling on roads for more than 30 years I
> can count "incidents" on one hand. And of those only one was almost a
> spill caused by idiot teenagers in a souped up pimp mobile.
Every big outing has some "minor incident" of this sort. If you don't
bow to pressure from the big fish, you are lunch. At best they ignore
like you are insignificant.
If you don't know it's WAR ZONE out there, I don't know where you've
been hiding (or perhaps it's because you drive an SUV and are a big
fish yourself)...
For more than 30 years, the government has been ramming cars into
walls in an effort to make car crashes safe. The public has been
conditioned to believe that seatbelts, airbags and more "crashworthy"
vehicles are the best ways to protect us from harm on the roads.
Meanwhile, the most basic strategies to deter dangerous driving and
prevent crashes have been ignored. "It's No Accident" provides a rare
glimpse into how the government got seduced by the promise of "safe
crashing." It then examines the major factors involved in crashes
today, including speeding, aggressive driving, distractions (e.g. cell
phones) and drowsy driving. The author reveals that many dangerous
behaviors are now promoted by businesses, and that drivers who kill
often walk away with just a small fine.
***
I'd add that the government also turned a blind eye to trucks getting
bigger (Stupid Unnecessary Vehicles) and defeating the defenses built
into cars.
== 8 of 15 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 8 2011 5:34 am
From: Simon Lewis
"His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign" <comandante.banana@yahoo.com> writes:
> On Mar 8, 8:10 am, Simon Lewis <simonlewis2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
>>
>>
>>
>> Campaign" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> writes:
>> > On Mar 7, 12:24 pm, Judith <jmsmith2...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 7 Mar 2011 07:18:39 -0800 (PST), Opus <opusthep...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >PTSD doesn't come in flavors, it is or it isn't, you have it or you
>> >> >don't. And I wasn't just hit by a vehicle, someone used a vehicle as a
>> >> >weapon against me at high speed on a suburban street. Actually I have
>> >> >"just" been hit by(with) a vehicle many, many times as people try to
>> >> >get me off "their" roads. For me riding my bike is a lot like combat
>> >> >patrols where the rules of engagement prohibit me from carrying any
>> >> >live ammo, because I cannot engage my enemy on equal terms when they
>> >> >drive a car and I'm riding a bicycle. I didn't like going on a combat
>> >> >patrol with empty magazines, and I'm not happy with the state of law
>> >> >enforcement in the town I live in at the moment.
>>
>> >> Most odd - I wonder if the way that you ride and your consideration for other road users contributes
>> >> to this aggression you seem to attract.
>>
>> > I wonder as well if our mere presence in the Middle East fuels
>> > terrorism. Maybe it does, and maybe it did lead to 9/11... I'm sure
>> > you must be asking questions like this as well.
>>
>> > Drivers just don't want us there, though our presence is fully
>> > justified. They cut you off right in your face and if you don't slow
>> > down, you may be another road kill. THEY ARE TERRORISTS!
>>
>> You sound like an idiot. In cycling on roads for more than 30 years I
>> can count "incidents" on one hand. And of those only one was almost a
>> spill caused by idiot teenagers in a souped up pimp mobile.
>
> Every big outing has some "minor incident" of this sort. If you don't
> bow to pressure from the big fish, you are lunch. At best they ignore
> like you are insignificant.
>
> If you don't know it's WAR ZONE out there, I don't know where you've
> been hiding (or perhaps it's because you drive an SUV and are a big
> fish yourself)...
>
> For more than 30 years, the government has been ramming cars into
> walls in an effort to make car crashes safe. The public has been
> conditioned to believe that seatbelts, airbags and more "crashworthy"
> vehicles are the best ways to protect us from harm on the roads.
> Meanwhile, the most basic strategies to deter dangerous driving and
> prevent crashes have been ignored. "It's No Accident" provides a rare
> glimpse into how the government got seduced by the promise of "safe
> crashing." It then examines the major factors involved in crashes
> today, including speeding, aggressive driving, distractions (e.g. cell
> phones) and drowsy driving. The author reveals that many dangerous
> behaviors are now promoted by businesses, and that drivers who kill
> often walk away with just a small fine.
As I said : you're an idiot.
What part of "in cycling on roads .." confused you?
== 9 of 15 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 8 2011 6:22 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"
On Mar 8, 8:34 am, Simon Lewis <simonlewis2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
>
>
>
> Campaign" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> writes:
> > On Mar 8, 8:10 am, Simon Lewis <simonlewis2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
>
> >> Campaign" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> writes:
> >> > On Mar 7, 12:24 pm, Judith <jmsmith2...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 7 Mar 2011 07:18:39 -0800 (PST), Opus <opusthep...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> >PTSD doesn't come in flavors, it is or it isn't, you have it or you
> >> >> >don't. And I wasn't just hit by a vehicle, someone used a vehicle as a
> >> >> >weapon against me at high speed on a suburban street. Actually I have
> >> >> >"just" been hit by(with) a vehicle many, many times as people try to
> >> >> >get me off "their" roads. For me riding my bike is a lot like combat
> >> >> >patrols where the rules of engagement prohibit me from carrying any
> >> >> >live ammo, because I cannot engage my enemy on equal terms when they
> >> >> >drive a car and I'm riding a bicycle. I didn't like going on a combat
> >> >> >patrol with empty magazines, and I'm not happy with the state of law
> >> >> >enforcement in the town I live in at the moment.
>
> >> >> Most odd - I wonder if the way that you ride and your consideration for other road users contributes
> >> >> to this aggression you seem to attract.
>
> >> > I wonder as well if our mere presence in the Middle East fuels
> >> > terrorism. Maybe it does, and maybe it did lead to 9/11... I'm sure
> >> > you must be asking questions like this as well.
>
> >> > Drivers just don't want us there, though our presence is fully
> >> > justified. They cut you off right in your face and if you don't slow
> >> > down, you may be another road kill. THEY ARE TERRORISTS!
>
> >> You sound like an idiot. In cycling on roads for more than 30 years I
> >> can count "incidents" on one hand. And of those only one was almost a
> >> spill caused by idiot teenagers in a souped up pimp mobile.
>
> > Every big outing has some "minor incident" of this sort. If you don't
> > bow to pressure from the big fish, you are lunch. At best they ignore
> > like you are insignificant.
>
> > If you don't know it's WAR ZONE out there, I don't know where you've
> > been hiding (or perhaps it's because you drive an SUV and are a big
> > fish yourself)...
>
> > For more than 30 years, the government has been ramming cars into
> > walls in an effort to make car crashes safe. The public has been
> > conditioned to believe that seatbelts, airbags and more "crashworthy"
> > vehicles are the best ways to protect us from harm on the roads.
> > Meanwhile, the most basic strategies to deter dangerous driving and
> > prevent crashes have been ignored. "It's No Accident" provides a rare
> > glimpse into how the government got seduced by the promise of "safe
> > crashing." It then examines the major factors involved in crashes
> > today, including speeding, aggressive driving, distractions (e.g. cell
> > phones) and drowsy driving. The author reveals that many dangerous
> > behaviors are now promoted by businesses, and that drivers who kill
> > often walk away with just a small fine.
>
> As I said : you're an idiot.
>
> What part of "in cycling on roads .." confused you?
There's no cycling on roads around here, which means the monkeys are
intimidated.
Then when you do ride on roads drivers try to intimidate you or simply
ignore you. And sometimes when you hold your ground and sometimes you
get tired of the whole grinding struggle and just quit.
Or choose a pretty area away from traffic.
== 10 of 15 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 8 2011 7:14 am
From: Opus
On Mar 7, 7:43 pm, Harry Brogan <hbroga...@NOSPAMyahooNOSPAM.com>
wrote:
>snip<
> I too have to wonder if someone's attitude is a contributing factor.
> I don't believe that I have ever had a vehicle purposely "target" me.
> That would, after all, constitute attempted murder and whoever is the
> "target" should have surely called the police.
>
> Perhaps a new avocation for recreation for this person is in order.
>
> To claim PTSD because of ones OWN lack of respect for other drivers is
> asking a bit much. And to place ANY sort of riding experiences into
> the same realm of military combat is, again, ludicrous.
I'm not "claiming" PTSD, I have it and have had it for almost a decade
now. And to quote one of the cops that used to "shadow" my return
commute when I was working 2nd shift, "Son, you are an idiot magnet."
Drivers lose their minds when they see me on "their" roads, even when
I'm 100% within the law doing exactly what I'm required to do by law.
And again, I have been in combat, and I ride a bike in a suburban
environment. I felt safer in actual combat, I had a real helmet (steel
pot) and something to shoot back with (after they let us carry live
ammo).
And I don't ride for recreation, I ride to get places, do shopping, go
to church. Things people "normally" do I do riding my bike. Including
grocery shopping for the week, you know "normal" stuff. I'm not out
there doing stunts in the middle of the road, I'm just trying to live
a normal suburban life, except without a car. The fact that when
people aren't trying to kill me I enjoy going places on my bike
doesn't make it recreation, it just makes my mode of transportation
"better" than other modes for my purposes.
== 11 of 15 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 8 2011 7:24 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"
On Mar 8, 10:14 am, Opus <opusthep...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 7, 7:43 pm, Harry Brogan <hbroga...@NOSPAMyahooNOSPAM.com>
> wrote:
>
> >snip<
> > I too have to wonder if someone's attitude is a contributing factor.
> > I don't believe that I have ever had a vehicle purposely "target" me.
> > That would, after all, constitute attempted murder and whoever is the
> > "target" should have surely called the police.
>
> > Perhaps a new avocation for recreation for this person is in order.
>
> > To claim PTSD because of ones OWN lack of respect for other drivers is
> > asking a bit much. And to place ANY sort of riding experiences into
> > the same realm of military combat is, again, ludicrous.
>
> I'm not "claiming" PTSD, I have it and have had it for almost a decade
> now. And to quote one of the cops that used to "shadow" my return
> commute when I was working 2nd shift, "Son, you are an idiot magnet."
> Drivers lose their minds when they see me on "their" roads, even when
> I'm 100% within the law doing exactly what I'm required to do by law.
> And again, I have been in combat, and I ride a bike in a suburban
> environment. I felt safer in actual combat, I had a real helmet (steel
> pot) and something to shoot back with (after they let us carry live
> ammo).
>
> And I don't ride for recreation, I ride to get places, do shopping, go
> to church. Things people "normally" do I do riding my bike. Including
> grocery shopping for the week, you know "normal" stuff. I'm not out
> there doing stunts in the middle of the road, I'm just trying to live
> a normal suburban life, except without a car. The fact that when
> people aren't trying to kill me I enjoy going places on my bike
> doesn't make it recreation, it just makes my mode of transportation
> "better" than other modes for my purposes.
Awesome, beautiful, superb! We all get the point, except those elitist
cyclists who think we are mundane and deserve what we get. Or they are
the same ones that drive an SUV to launch their bikes in a safe area,
where they are a greater part of the problem, not the solution.
Well, the ball is on their side now as I put up this challenge to my
fellow Miamians...
OK, my fellow Miamians, the situation is this, not that complicated at
all:
Some evil cyclists (just kidding) claim that all roads are rideable
and that not doing so amounts to cowardice or treason...
Well, I invite you to join me in the ride from Channel 7 to South
Beach and back to prove me wrong. I ain't doing it alone, that's for
sure. My Wisdom of the Jungle tells me that "stupidity is not rewarded
in the jungle." The fact that we do it in a group though doesn't prove
me wrong, it just proves the Wisdom of the Jungle right, ie. "there's
safety in numbers." Many cyclists do ride in packs (like wolves) and
forget the reality of the lonesome humble cyclist without lycra or
carbon bikes.
So let me know when we hit the road! Of course, it's a leisure ride
where you can do anything except block the road like Critical Mass.
Just TAKE THE LANE.
== 12 of 15 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 8 2011 8:49 am
From: Harry Brogan
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 07:14:59 -0800 (PST), Opus <opusthepoet@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Mar 7, 7:43 pm, Harry Brogan <hbroga...@NOSPAMyahooNOSPAM.com>
>wrote:
>>snip<
>> I too have to wonder if someone's attitude is a contributing factor.
>> I don't believe that I have ever had a vehicle purposely "target" me.
>> That would, after all, constitute attempted murder and whoever is the
>> "target" should have surely called the police.
>>
>> Perhaps a new avocation for recreation for this person is in order.
>>
>> To claim PTSD because of ones OWN lack of respect for other drivers is
>> asking a bit much. And to place ANY sort of riding experiences into
>> the same realm of military combat is, again, ludicrous.
>
>I'm not "claiming" PTSD, I have it and have had it for almost a decade
>now. And to quote one of the cops that used to "shadow" my return
>commute when I was working 2nd shift, "Son, you are an idiot magnet."
>Drivers lose their minds when they see me on "their" roads, even when
>I'm 100% within the law doing exactly what I'm required to do by law.
>And again, I have been in combat, and I ride a bike in a suburban
>environment. I felt safer in actual combat, I had a real helmet (steel
>pot) and something to shoot back with (after they let us carry live
>ammo).
>
>And I don't ride for recreation, I ride to get places, do shopping, go
>to church. Things people "normally" do I do riding my bike. Including
>grocery shopping for the week, you know "normal" stuff. I'm not out
>there doing stunts in the middle of the road, I'm just trying to live
>a normal suburban life, except without a car. The fact that when
>people aren't trying to kill me I enjoy going places on my bike
>doesn't make it recreation, it just makes my mode of transportation
>"better" than other modes for my purposes.
What you "claimed" was that riding a bike was the root cause of your
PTSD. You did NOT mention that you already HAD it.
Say, maybe that's part of your own problem when these people in cars
"target" you.
As for the police "shadowing" you? Ever think that the reason is that
someone has called them to complain about YOUR actions?
== 13 of 15 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 8 2011 8:53 am
From: Harry Brogan
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 07:14:59 -0800 (PST), Opus <opusthepoet@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Mar 7, 7:43 pm, Harry Brogan <hbroga...@NOSPAMyahooNOSPAM.com>
>wrote:
>>snip<
>> I too have to wonder if someone's attitude is a contributing factor.
>> I don't believe that I have ever had a vehicle purposely "target" me.
>> That would, after all, constitute attempted murder and whoever is the
>> "target" should have surely called the police.
>>
>> Perhaps a new avocation for recreation for this person is in order.
>>
>> To claim PTSD because of ones OWN lack of respect for other drivers is
>> asking a bit much. And to place ANY sort of riding experiences into
>> the same realm of military combat is, again, ludicrous.
>
>I'm not "claiming" PTSD, I have it and have had it for almost a decade
>now. And to quote one of the cops that used to "shadow" my return
>commute when I was working 2nd shift, "Son, you are an idiot magnet."
>Drivers lose their minds when they see me on "their" roads, even when
>I'm 100% within the law doing exactly what I'm required to do by law.
>And again, I have been in combat, and I ride a bike in a suburban
>environment. I felt safer in actual combat, I had a real helmet (steel
>pot) and something to shoot back with (after they let us carry live
>ammo).
>
>And I don't ride for recreation, I ride to get places, do shopping, go
>to church. Things people "normally" do I do riding my bike. Including
>grocery shopping for the week, you know "normal" stuff. I'm not out
>there doing stunts in the middle of the road, I'm just trying to live
>a normal suburban life, except without a car. The fact that when
>people aren't trying to kill me I enjoy going places on my bike
>doesn't make it recreation, it just makes my mode of transportation
>"better" than other modes for my purposes.
I will no longer respond to any more of your asinine comments. You go
right ahead and believe that people in cars are "targeting" you and
that your PTSD is enhanced by riding a bicycle.
It's jerks like you that give other ridersa bad name as YOU are the
one that, in all likelihood, is being the jerk when you ride.
== 14 of 15 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 8 2011 9:24 am
From: "Just zis Guy, you know?"
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>
>
>>
>> Members of the medical profession refer to cyclists as "donors". (Daily
>> Mail)
>>
> They make fucking awful donors.
Now now, Peter, you know full well that Judith is trying desperately to
make that true by repeating it, in lieu of it being actually, you know,
true.
- --
Guy Chapman, http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk
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== 15 of 15 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 8 2011 12:02 pm
From: JNugent
On 08/03/2011 11:42, Harry Brogan wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Mar 2011 08:13:35 +0000, JNugent<jenningsltd@fastmail.fm>
> wrote:
>
>> On 08/03/2011 04:56, T�m Sherm�n� �_�> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/7/2011 2:44 PM, JNugent wrote:
>>>> On 07/03/2011 15:18, Opus wrote:
>>
>>>>> PTSD doesn't come in flavors, it is or it isn't, you have it or you
>>>>> don't. And I wasn't just hit by a vehicle, someone used a vehicle as a
>>>>> weapon against me at high speed on a suburban street. Actually I have
>>>>> "just" been hit by(with) a vehicle many, many times as people try to
>>>>> get me off "their" roads. For me riding my bike is a lot like combat
>>>>> patrols where the rules of engagement prohibit me from carrying any
>>>>> live ammo, because I cannot engage my enemy on equal terms when they
>>>>> drive a car and I'm riding a bicycle. I didn't like going on a combat
>>>>> patrol with empty magazines, and I'm not happy with the state of law
>>>>> enforcement in the town I live in at the moment.
>>
>>>> Welcome to the club.
>>>> You will find many here who are equally unhappy with the lack of
>>>> enforcement of the rules of the road, eg, cycling along along footways,
>>>> failure to stop at red traffic lights and progressing the wrong way
>>>> along a one way street. And travelling at night without lights.
>>
>>> Compare and contrast: Number of cyclists and pedestrians killed by motorists
>>> operating illegally versus the number of motorists killed by cyclists and
>>> pedestrians operating illegally.
>>
>> Why?
>
> Asinine statement.
I thought so too; hence my question.
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TOPIC: Wireless printers
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 8 2011 12:32 am
From: aesthete8
Are they worth the extra cost?
Or am I better off saving a bit of money by buying the wired version?
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 8 2011 12:44 am
From: "Rod Speed"
aesthete8 wrote:
> Are they worth the extra cost?
Depends on your circumstances.
They dont necessarily cost anymore.
> Or am I better off saving a bit of money by buying the wired version?
Depends on your circumstances.
They dont necessarily cost anymore.
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 8 2011 3:05 am
From: Shawn Hirn
In article
<e5447ec0-d7ca-4ff1-a0cf-9c0734fa93a3@k10g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
aesthete8 <artsy6@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are they worth the extra cost?
>
> Or am I better off saving a bit of money by buying the wired version?
Only you can answer that question. The answer depends on your particular
needs.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 8 2011 6:46 am
From: Michael Black
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, aesthete8 wrote:
> Are they worth the extra cost?
>
> Or am I better off saving a bit of money by buying the wired version?
>
>
Why would you want one?
If you have multiple devices, such as a desktop computer and then a
laptop, it might make sense.
If you need to put the printer over there, and the computer over here,
and don't want to run a cable, then obviously wireless would be useful.
Michael
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 8 2011 8:31 am
From: "Bob F"
Shawn Hirn wrote:
> In article
> <e5447ec0-d7ca-4ff1-a0cf-9c0734fa93a3@k10g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> aesthete8 <artsy6@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Are they worth the extra cost?
>>
>> Or am I better off saving a bit of money by buying the wired version?
>
> Only you can answer that question. The answer depends on your
> particular needs.
I wireless print server would make a lot more sense.
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TOPIC: Bad Housekeeper needs tips.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/070aed9aa5fbdc1e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 8 2011 6:01 am
From: Dorothy
On Mar 7, 8:03 pm, "Lou" <lpog...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "bachelor" <bache...@badhousekeeper.org> wrote in message
>
> news:il3h2c$vsj$1@speranza.aioe.org...> I admit it I am a lousy housekeeper.
>
> > As a result I have an extremely dirty linoleum floor.
>
> > I decided to clean it. Any recommendations on the best frugal cleaning
> > solution and type of inexpensive mop to use for this?
>
> > Also need any tips for cleaning porcelain commode and countertops.
>
> By far the easiest thing to do is to clean as you go - if you drop or spill
> something, stop and wipe it up right then and there before doing anything
> else. Since you apparently haven't done that, you're in for a chore - there
> are no magic cleaning products or mops that will do the job for you.
>
> The phrase "extremely dirty" conjures up all kinds of pictures, anywhere
> from a few spills/sticky spots to
> the-only-thing-that'll-work-is-tear-it-up-and-replace. My bet is that
> you're going to have to get down on the floor and scrub it. Use a stiff-ish
> brush or pieces of cloth (known as rags). Water. There are all kinds of
> cleaning products out there. It's hard to beat ammonia, but use that only
> if you have good ventilation. NEVER mix ammonia with a chlorine-containing
> product, the combination can give off mustard gas with possibly fatal
> results.
>
> Other possibilities are things like Spic 'n Span, Lestoil, Mr. Clean - walk
> down the aisle in the supermarket, the possibilities are all but endless. A
> cheap bottle of something might look like a good deal, but if it doesn't do
> the job it's money wasted. Mix according to the bottle/package directions,
> scrub, and rinse well. Wear rubber gloves - some of these things can peel
> the skin right off your hands as though the skin was a pair of gloves.
>
> Once the floor is clean, get a broom, a dustpan, and a mop. Anything from a
> Swiffer to an old fashioned sponge mop. A few minutes a week, unless you
> have an enormous floor, is all it should take, if you sweep or wipe up
> messes when they happen along the way.
>
> For counter tops, I use Windex, but any spray cleaner that doesn't generate
> a lot of suds should do. I spray the counter tops and wipe up with a rag (I
> bought a package of a dozen cloth diapers a few years ago, haven't gone
> through the package yet). Takes maybe two minutes a day. Works on cabinet
> doors and stovetops too.
>
> For the commode, again there are all kinds of products out there. Nothing
> works better than something strong and sudsy, applied with a sponge and your
> hands (again, while wearing rubber gloves). In most homes, the kitchen sink
> is more germ-laden than the bathroom toilet (well, provided you flush after
> each use), so the "ick" factor is mostly psychological. Once it's clean, a
> weekly swish with a toilet brush and any of a number of products from the
> supermarket will keep it that way.
I have to agree that you may have to get down on your hands and knees
to scrub. I had to do that with ceramic tile last year -- the grout
mostly. The best thing for that cleaning was spraying with Mean Green
(Dollar General has it) and scrub with brush....rinse with white
vinegar and water solution. Sometimes you can just clean with the
vinegar and water if it's not too dirty.
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TOPIC: I have a Tolilet Flush Idea...
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/7d60595df83ea186?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 8 2011 9:27 am
From: Lamumba
In article
<f899cd70-5119-4c45-8eb0-4985f436d41c@b13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
AndyS <jungleandy1@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 5, 8:56 pm, marco polo <markph...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > hi all,
> >
> > since I really haven't done any research,
> > this idea of mine may have been thought of long ago...
> >
> > It's fairly simple, I think -- 2 water tank flush modes:
> > one for poop, and one for urine only.
> > I think urine can get by with much less water,
> > whereas poop needs a certain minimum.
> >
> > I think this would save a lot of water over the long haul.
> > Now incorporating this into toilets is another thing.
> > The idea came from my father, years ago,
> > who never flushed if it was just pee, only poop.
> >
> > marc
>
> Andy suggests:
> Here's an idea that will save even more water, and you
> can use your existing toilet:
>
> Pee in the back yard ---- crap in the indoor toilet.....
>
> ....of course, if you live in an apartment, you will need to
> be on an upper floor....
>
> Andy in Eureka, Texas
Hello/ from Eureka, CA
I find peeing around the fish pond, discourages the raccoon. Maybe the
deer.
--
Karma, What a concept!
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TOPIC: University Medical Center Tucson Advertising
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/5b79f4c9ea300020?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 8 2011 9:44 am
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
In article <il4isp$nfg$1@speranza.aioe.org>,
unimportantpatient <unimportantpatient@miserableUSA.gov> wrote:
> We have been bombarded with spam TV commercials
Isn't that redundant?
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 8 2011 12:13 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote
> unimportantpatient <unimportantpatient@miserableUSA.gov> wrote
>> We have been bombarded with spam TV commercials
> Isn't that redundant?
Nope, some information advertising isnt spam.
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