Sunday, August 30, 2015

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Friday, August 28, 2015

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The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>: Aug 27 08:54PM -0700

On 08/26/2015 04:20 PM, Bob F wrote:
>>> theft...
 
>> Anybody who falls for that deserves whatever they get.
 
> So, are you saying that you never answer your phone and say something?
 
I never answer the phone and believe that there's a problem with my
bank/credit card/dog that requires me to give the caller personal
information that would enable him to get my money.
 
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Cheers, Bev
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shitting on people's lawns. Sure, the owners complained,
but it was honest work and it kept me off welfare..."
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Wednesday, August 26, 2015

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The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>: Aug 26 12:22PM -0700

> automated computer system that's calling your number -- and tens of
> thousands of others -- to build a list of humans to target for
> theft...
 
Anybody who falls for that deserves whatever they get.
 
--
Cheers, Bev
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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"Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com>: Aug 26 04:20PM -0700

The Real Bev wrote:
>> thousands of others -- to build a list of humans to target for
>> theft...
 
> Anybody who falls for that deserves whatever they get.
 
So, are you saying that you never answer your phone and say something?
wilma6116@gmail.com: Aug 26 04:56PM -0700

On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 12:22:16 PM UTC-7, The Real Bev wrote:
 
> Anybody who falls for that deserves whatever they get.
 
> --
 
Seems able to be said about any crime victim.
BigDog811 <bigdog811@gmail.com>: Aug 26 05:55PM -0700

On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 7:20:50 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
> >> theft...
 
> > Anybody who falls for that deserves whatever they get.
 
> So, are you saying that you never answer your phone and say something?
 
If she's anything like me, she doesn't even answer the phone unless the displayed name/number is recognized. So no, I never answer the phone without saying something - but I never answer the phone unless I know there's someone on the other end I want to talk to. Everyone else can leave a message and I might call them back.
BigDog811 <bigdog811@gmail.com>: Aug 26 05:59PM -0700


> > Anybody who falls for that deserves whatever they get.
 
> > --
 
> Seems able to be said about any crime victim.
 
Yep, pretty much. With extraordinarily rare exception the only real victims in our society are children and the mentally impaired. And dumb-ass isn't an impairment. Almost everyone else gets what they ask for in one way or another.
Derald <derald@invalid.net>: Aug 26 08:50PM -0400

>>> theft...
 
>> Anybody who falls for that deserves whatever they get.
 
>So, are you saying that you never answer your phone and say something?
 
I did not listen to the program excerpt but did read the text at
the citation, which appears to be a transcript of the on-air news item.
I must say that it is typical NPR drivel. The examples are of the
extreme stupidity of the calls' recipients and/or the incompetence of
some unnamed "generic" institution's customer service types. The only
actual useful _information_ in the entire piece is in the last
paragraph, which I quote below:
>The FTC recommends that consumers "just hang up" on the robocalls.
 
>"We don't want consumers to engage in any way with robocallers," Hsue says.
(Patty Hsue, an attorney who leads the FTC's effort against robocalls)
> information or pressing 2 to ask to be removed from the list. And in either case,
> pressing 1 or 2 basically lets the robocaller know that it's a live person on the other
> line who's willing to engage and that could lead to additional robocalls."
Seems to me, that's the voice equivalent to the email, "Click this
link to be removed from future emails", which simply is a way of
determining the email address to be valid and monitored.
 
Gratuitous Aside: I don't believe that my long-dead father ever
"answered" a telephone in his life. He simply put the handset to his
ear and waited for the calling party to initiate the conversation.
After all, _they_ interrupted _his_ day ;-)
--
Derald
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Tuesday, August 25, 2015

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lenona321@yahoo.com: Aug 25 10:17AM -0700

Heard it on the radio yesterday.
 
http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2015/08/24/434313813/why-phone-fraud-starts-with-a-silent-call
 
August 24, 2015 4:35 PM ET
 
By Aarti Shahani
 
 
Here's an experience some of us have had. The phone rings. You pick it up and say "Hello. Hello. Helloooo." But nobody answers.
 
It turns out there could be someone on the other end of the line: an automated computer system that's calling your number -- and tens of thousands of others -- to build a list of humans to target for theft.
 
Vijay Balasubramaniyan, CEO of Pindrop Security, a company in Atlanta that detects phone fraud, says that in any number of ways, the criminal ring gets your 10 digits and loads them into an automated system.
 
Maybe you gave your number to Target or some other big retailer that got hacked. Maybe you entered an online raffle to win a free iPhone...
 
(snip)
 
 
 
Lenona.
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Friday, August 21, 2015

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"GIOVANNI CAPORASO. ABOGADO DE PANAMA." <giannipanni@gmx.com>: Aug 21 09:57AM -0700

CHI E' IL PERVERTITO PEDOFILO PAOLO BARRAI (WMO SA PANAMA E BSI ITALIA SRL)? OLTRE AD ESSERE STATO IN GALERA 3 VOLTE, OLTRE AD ESSER MEGALAVA CASHMAFIOSO, NAZIRAZZISTA, MANDANTE DI OMICIDI.."SI VANTA" DI STUPRARE I FIGLI COSTANZA E RICCARDO BARRAI!
 
-MANDANTE DI OMICIDI ( MASCHERATI DA FINTI SUICIDI, MALORI, INCIDENTI), LADRO, TRUFFATORE, MEGA RICICLA CASH MAFIOSO O POLITI-C-RIMINALE ( RUBATO O FRUTTO DI MEGA MAZZETTE RICEVUTE DA LL LEGA LADRONA ED EX PDL, POPOLO DI LADRONI): PAOLO BARRAI DI CRIMINALISSIME WMO SA PANAMA E BSI ITALIA SRL (IL TUTTO IN COMBUTTA CON BESTIA MALAVITOSA GERARDO SEGAT DI DELINQUENZIALE FIDUCIARIA T&F TAX AND FINANCE SA LUGANO... NON PER NIENTE USATA PURE DA NOTO NAZINDRANGHETISTA TIRANNO PEDOFILO STRAGISTA SILVIO BERLUSCONI: DETTO QUESTO, DETTO TUTTO... DIREI).
-NAZIRAZZISTA, TERRORISTA DI ESTREMISSIMA DESTRA, FONDATORE DEGLI ASSASSINI "NUOVI KU KLUK KLAN PADANI". DEFINENTE UNO DEI MIGLIORI PRESIDENTI USA DI SEMPRE ( SULLA BASE DI MERI RISULTATI DATI ED IN OGNI CAMPO POLITICO: ECONOMICO IN PRIMIS), OBAMA BARACK, " BASTARDO NEGRO"
http://ilpunto-borsainvestimenti.blogspot.com/2013/01/ecco-limpatto-fiscale-che-ha-fatto.html
"CHECCA ISTERICA"
http://ilpunto-borsainvestimenti.blogspot.com/2014/03/mercato-libero-e-per-la-grande-madre.html
E SEMPRE, AL COTEMPO, INNEGGIANDO AL NAZIRAZZISTA COME LUI, ASSASSINO DI MIGLIAIA DI VITE UCRAINE, DI CENTINIA DI INNOCENTISSIMI PASSEGGERI AEREI PARTITI DA AMSTERDAM, DI PER BENE POLITICI POLACCHI PURE IN VOLO, O DI SUOI CONNAZIONALI RFIFUGIATISI A LONDRA ( MA CERTISSIMAMENTE NON SOLO): VLADIMIR PUTIN
http://ilpunto-borsainvestimenti.blogspot.com/2014/03/mercato-libero-e-per-la-grande-madre.html
-LADRO, TRUFFATORE, AZZERA RISPARMI DI OGNUNO E SEMPRE, TUTTE LE VOLTE FALSISSIMO, TRUFFATORE, LADRO, MANDANTE DI OMICIDI, TERRORISTA NERO "ED IN NERO", GIA' VARIE VOLTE CONDANNATO AL CARCERE": PAOLO BARRAI (NATO A MILANO IL 28.06.1965)! DI CRIMINALISSIMA WMO SA PANAMA E CRIMINALISSIMA BSI ITALIA SRL DI VIA SOCRATE 26 MILANO (OLTRE CHE, COME DETTO, MEGALAVA CASH DI COSA NOSTRA, CAMORRA, NDRANGHETA, NARCOS COLOMBIANI, MESSICANI E RUSSI.... NONCHE' POLITI-C-RIMINALE, CONNESSO A FASCIOPORCI SILVIO BERLUSCONI, MARINA BERLUSCONI, MASSIMO DORIS, ENNIO DORIS, DAVIDE SERRA, UMBERTO BOSSI E MATTEO SALVINI)! STALKA A MORTE CHI LO FOTOGRAFA E SE "UNO" INSISTE, L'ASSASSINO PAOLO BARRAI FA "SUICIDARE" DAVVERO!!!
 
- COME DICEVAMO, FREQUENTE COORDINATORE DI BERLUSCONIANI E LEGHISTI OMICIDI MASCHERATI DA FINTI INCIDENTI, MALORI, PIU' SPESSO ANCORA, "SUICIDATE", PAOLO BARRAI DI CRIMINALISSIMA WMO SA PANAMA (ALLA DAVID ROSSI DI MONTE PASCHI O CORSO BOVIO O ALBERTO CAPERNA O PIETRO SAVIOTTI O GIORGIO PANTO O PAOLO ALBERTI O ADAMO BOVE O MICHELE LANDI O ANDREA PININFARINA O VINCENZO PARISI O ANTONIO MANGANELLI O MIKE BONGIORNO O.... ALLA GENITORI DI CLEMENTINA FORLEO O .... ALLA GERARDO DAMBROSIO.. PER NON DIRE DEGLI ETERNI GIOVANNI FALCONE E PAOLO BORSELLINO... TUTTA GRANDE GENTE FATTA AMMAZZARE IN MILLE DIVERSI MODI DAGLI ASSASSINI, FINANCO STRAGISTI, SILVIO BERLUSCONI, MARINA BERLUSCONI, ENNIO DORIS, MASSIMO DORIS, UMBERTO BOSSI, ROBERTO MARONI, MATTEO SALVINI E I TERRORISTI NERI E SPECIALMENTE " IN NERO", PAOLO BARRAI E MAURIZIO BARBERO, NOTO PEDERASTA ASSASSINO DI TECHNOSKY: POTETE STARNE STRA CERTI)
-NOTO NAZIPEDERASTA PAOLO BARRAI (28.06.1965) DI MALAVITOSE WMO E BSI ITALIA SRL DI VIA SOCRATE 26 A MILANO, CHE PER DIFENDERE IL SUO MANDANTE FASCIOCAMORRISTA, STRAGISTA E NOTO PEDOFILO COME LUI, SILVIO BERLUSCONI ( NOTARE BENE, PLEASE, CHE STO SODOMIZZA BAMBINI DI FIAMMA TRICOLORE, FORZA NUOVA, CASA POUND, FORZA ITALIA E LL - LEGA LADRONA, PAOLO BARRAI, E' IN POSSESSO DA ANNI DELLA REPELLENTE, VOMITEVOLISSIMA TESSERA DI ORGOGLIO PEDOFILO:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association ) HA SPESSO DETTO E SCRITTO: " CHE LA PEDOFILIA NON E' UN REATO, IN QUANTO NEL TERZO MONDO, TANTE BAMBINE DI 10, 11, 12 ANNI, RIMANGONO IN CINTA"! PER AGGIUNGERE IN PRIVATO E SPESSISSIMO, FRASI DA FAR MEGA SUPER STRA ACCAPONARE LA PELLE, OSSIA, CHE E' FIERO DI AVER SODOMIZZATO I SUOI FIGLI RICCARDO BARRAI E COSTANZA BARRAI FIN DALLA NASCITA! MOSTRANDO ANCHE DELLE FOTO PEDOPORNOMOSESSUALI, IN CUI "ATTORE" ERA LO STESSO NAZIPEDERASTA PAOLO BARRAI! FOTO DI FILM PER PEDOFILI OMOSESSUALI O PEDOFILI IN GENERE ( COME PAOLO BARRAI E SUO PAPPONE NAZIMAFIOSO SILVIO BERLUSCONI) DEGLI ANNI 2000, 2001, 2002 (OSSIA, APPENA DOPO CHE LO STESSO AVANZO DI GALERA PAOLO BARRAI VENIVA CACCIATO MALISSIMAMENTE DA CITIBANK PER CRIMINI EFFERATI CHE LO STESSO, LI, COMMETTEVA, PER POI VENIR CONDANNATO AL CARCERE SU DENUNCIA DI CITIBANK: COSA DI CUI PRESTO SCRIVEREMO). IN CUI '" LA STAR" ERA PROPRIO DETTO PPP PUZZONE PERVERTITO PAZZO DI PAOLO BARRAI. RAFFIGURATO A FARE FILM PORNO CON RAGAZZINI DI 12-14-16 ANNI! O, SCIOCCANTISSIMAMENTE, MENTRE FACENTE SESSO ORALE E NON SOLO, CON CAVALLI ( FOTO CHE ERANO IN INTERNET E CHE, APPENA IL TUTTO INIZIO' A VENIRE A GALLA, LO STESSO FALLITO DEPRAVATO PAOLO BARRAI, PER POTER PIU' FACILMENTE "SPENNARE POLLI IN RETE" VIA SUE TRUFFE FINANZIARIO-NAZI-MEDIATICHE, FECE CANCELLARE))! QUI MI FERMO O LA MIA BILE O PANCREAS O FEGATO O STOMACO O CUORE O TUTTO QUESTO INSIEME, FAN CRACK, E MI MANDAN ALL' ALTRO MONDO SUBITO!
TORNIAMO SU TERRENI PIU' "NORMALI", PLEASE, PER QUANTO LE COSE ESTREMAMENTE ORRIDE APPENA DESCRITTE, SONO SUPER STRA VERE!!!
-FASCIONDRANGHETISTA, LADRO, TRUFFATORE, SPENNA POLLI DEL WEB, PERICOLOSISSIMO AZZERARISPARMI, MEGA LAVA SOLDI DI COSA NOSTRA, CAMORRA, NDRANGHETA, O SOLDI POLITI-C-RIMINALISSIMI, ESATTAMENTE FRUTTI DI MEGA MAZZETTE O RUBERIE DI LL LEGA LADRONA ED EX PDL, POPOLO DI LADRONI. PLURI PREGIUDICATO, DIVERSE VOLTE FINITO IN CARCERE: PAOLO BARRAI NATO A MILANO IL 28.06.1965
https://it.linkedin.com/pub/dir/?first=PAOLO&last=BARRAI&search=Search
(RICICLANTE CASH CHE COLA ANCHE SANGUE DI MORTI AMMAZZATI; NON SOLO PER PRIMA CITATE MALAVITE ORGANIZZATE O AL CAPONE MISTI AD ADOLF HITLER DELLA POLITICA, COME SILVIO BERLUSCONI E MATTEO SALVINI; MA ANCHE PER VIA DI SUOI CAMERATA KILLER QUALI MASSIMO CARMINATI E GENNARO MOKBEL; COME, AI TEMPI, TANTO QUANTO, PER ALTRI SUOI CAMERATA DELINQUENTISSIMI QUALI WALTER LAVITOLA, ALESSANDRO PROTO, FRANCO FIORITO E FRANCESCO BELSITO; O PER PICCIOTTINCRAVATTATI QUALI IL PERICOLOSISSIMO MEGARICICLA SOLDI MAFIOSI: GIOVANNI RAIMONDI DI DI PIA PARTECIPAZIONI 20121 MILANO FORO BUONAPARTE 12; GIA' DI MALAVITOSA BANCA SAI, MALAVITOSA GIOVANNI RAIMONDI SIM E MALAVITOSO GIOVANNI RAIMONDI AGENTE DI CAMBIO; DA SEMPRE, QUEST'ULTIMO, FACENTE OGNI TIPO DI DELITTO FINANZIARIO, CON O PER, SUOI PAPPONI MA-F-ASCISTI ENNIO DORIS, MASSIMO DORIS, SILVIO BERLUSCONI, PAOLO LIGRESTI ED IGNAZIO LA RUSSA). COLLETTO ARCI FETIDO PAOLO BARRAI DI CRIMINALISSIMO WMOGROUP, CRIMINALISSIMA BSI ITALIA SRL DI VIA SOCRATE 26 MILANO E PRECIPITANTE BLOG MERCATO 'MERDATO' LIBERO ( TALMENTE PRECIPITANTE CHE DALLA VERGOGNA ESTREMA DI MOSTRARE CHE GLI VI SONO RIMASTI, AL MASSIMO, 3 LETTORIDIOTI AL GIORNO, HA LEVATO DALLO STESSO IL CONTATORE: IAMM E STRA IAMM BEEE). PRIMA DI CONTINUARE A DESCRIVERE QUESTO UGO FANTOZZI ( OSSIA SEMPRE PERDENTISSIMO) MISTO A RENATO VALLANZASCA ( OSSIA SEMPRE CRIMINALISSIMO), DELLA FINANZA, CHE E' IL COLLETTO LERCIO PAOLO BARRAI, VORREI, PER INIZIARE, SOTTOLINEARE COME MAI E POI MAI SI SIAN VISTI DEI CAGNACCI BRUCIA AVERI ALTRUI COME L'AVANZO DI GALERA PAOLO BARRAI STESSO, UNITO AL NOTO LADRO, TRUFFATORE, SEMPRE SBAGLIANTE IN BORSA, FEDERICO IZZI CONOSCIUTO A TUTTI COME 'ER ZIO ROMOLO DELLA CAMORRA'. UNA PROVA? ALTRO CHE UNA, VE NE SONO MILIARDI DI PROVE! IAMM BELL, IA! INIZIAMO SOLO CON 2 'PROVETTE' SU MILIONI DI MILIONI ( PRESTO CENTINAIA DI MIGLIAIA DI BLOGS CHE LE MOSTRERANNO TUTTE, LE CANNATE DISTRUGGI RISPARMI DI MIGLIAIA DI PERSONE, DI PAOLO BARRAI DI ESTREMISSIMAMENTE MALAVITOSA WMO)! IL 5.9.14 DICEVAN DI VENDERE, CHE IL DOW JONES A GIORNI SAREBBE CROLLATO SOTTO 15.000 DA 17200 CIRCA OVE ERA
http://www.mercatoliberonews.com/2014/10/dow-jones-atteso-in-area-15000.html
"INFATTI".... AAAH, SIAMO SCHIZZATI IN SU FINO AI MASSIMI DI TUTTI I TEMPI! QUASI 18.000! SIAM SCHIZZATI IN SU E TANTISSIMO! MILIARDESIMA, "ENNESISSIMA" LORO CANNATA!
DA SCHIATTARE DAL RIDERE! GUARDATE QUI, PLS, COSA, L'ESCREMENTO NAZISTA, LAVA SOLDI MAFIOSI, LADRO, TRUFFATORE FEDERICO IZZI (AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN: NOTO A TUTTI COME "ER ZIO ROMOLO DELLA CAMORRA" IN QUANTO CAMPA SOLO E SEMPRE DI RICICLAGGIO DI SOLDI ASSASSINI), RAGLIAVA IL 5.9.14:
http://www.mercatolibero.info/zio-romolo-i-mercati-esagerato/
ESATTAMENTE DA QUELLA DATA, IL DOW JONES E' SCHIZZATO IN SU COME UN RAZZO
https://es.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=%5EDJI
GIUSTO... COSI'... PER MENZIONARNE UN ALTRA, UNA SU MILIONI DI MILIONI, LA PRIMA CHE MI VIENE IN MENTE... FACEVA VENDERE AZIONI AD INIZIO 1.2012 E TUTTO E' SALITO PER 3 MESI!
http://mercatoliberotraderpergioco.blogspot.fr/2012/01/ci-attende-un-gennaio-di-ribassi.html
FACEVA POI COMPRARE, OVVIAMENTE, AI MASSIMI, IN PIENA PRIMAVERA 2012, E SIAM CROLLATI DA 13270 A 12115!!! FRA L'ALTRO STO SCHIFOSO PEZZO DI ME.DA DI FEDERICO IZZI NOTO COME "ER ZIO ROMOLO DELLA CAMORRA", COME LO E' OGNI ESCREMENTO BERLUSCONICCHIO, E' UN TUTT'UNO CON MALAVITE DI TUTTO IL MERIDIONE DI FECCIA DITTATORIALE DI "RENZUSCONIA". E, TENTEVI DURO, DELLA BANDA DELLA MAGLIANA. OLTRE CHE CON PRIMA CITATI VERMI DEI GIRI DI MASSIMO CARMINATI E GENNARO MOKBEL! COME UN ESTRATTO DI RECENTE VINCENTISSIMO TESTO CHE GIRA PER LA RETE, STRA DIMOSTRA: "...BESTIA CHE MEGA TRUFFA VIA WEB E FA SEMPRE PERDERE TUTTI I RISPARMI DI TUTTI, PUZZONE CRIMINALE FEDERICO IZZI DI ROMA. NOTO COME ZIO ROMOLO! VICINISSIMO AD ENRICO NICOLETTI, NOTO MALAVITOSO BANCHIERE DELLA BANCA DELLA MAGLIANAhttp://www.agoravox.it/Arrestato-Enrico-Nicoletti-il.html , VICINISSIMO A TERRORISTI NAZISTI COME MASSIMO CARMINATI E GENNARO MOKBEL! VICINISSIMO AI CRUDELI ASSASSINI "CASALESI", VIA, NOTORIAMENTE, MEGA OMICIDA FAMIGLIA CAMORRISTA DEI BARDELLINO
http://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2011/12/10/affari-politici-camorra-formia-avamposto-laziale-casalesi/176674/ PRESSO FORMIA E LATINA ...."
....D'ALTRONDE....
STO VERMINOSO AVANZO DI GALERA IN QUANTO PIU' VOLTE ARRESTATO, PAOLO BARRAI DI CRIMINALISSIMA WMO, CRIMINALISSIMA BSI ITALIA SRL DI VIA SOCRATE 26 MILANO E CRIMINALISSIMO BLOG MERCATO "MERDATO" LIBERO.... QUANDO SCROCCAVA GRATIS IL GENIO BORSISTICO ED EROE CIVILE MICHELE NISTA ( DI CUI PRESTO SCRIVERO' NON POCO), E SOLO E SEMPRE GRAZIE A MICHELE, CI GUADAGNAVA PARECCHI SOLDI, SCRIVEVA LA MERA VERITA', OSSIA CHE MICHELE NISTA ERA (ED ANCORA E') IL NUMERO UNO AL MONDO IN FIUTO BORSISTICO, COME PURE POLITICO ED INVESTIGATIVO! ORA, INVECE, SICCOME NON LO RIESCE A SCROCCARE PIU', LO VUOLE MORTO! MAI VISTO UN BASTARDO, FALSONE, TRUFFATORE, SFACCIATO, SCAFATO LADRO E I ASSICURO, PURE MANDANTE DI OMICIDI, COME PRESTO PROVEREMO, COME PAOLO BARRAI DI MALAVITOSISSIMA WMO!
TORNIAMO A MICHELE, DI CUI ACCENNAVO. ECCO UNO SCRITTO CHE GIRA SU INTERNET, E CHE, ASSICURO, SCRIVE ASSOUTISSIME, E, TANTO QUANTO, PROVABILISSIME VERITA': "GENIO BORSISTICO ED EROE CIVILE MICHELE NISTA (michelenista@gmx.com). AZZECCA IN AZIONI E MATERIE PRIME, SEMPRE. SU TUTTO. OGNI GIORNO. IN OGNI ANGOLO DEL PIANETA TERRA. SIA A LIVELLO DI AZIONARIO, CHE DI MATERIE PRIME. GENIO IN INVESTIMENTI MOBILIARI, MA PURE UN EROE. STA DISTRUGGENDO IL MAFASCISTASSASSINO, PEDOFILO SILVIO BERLUSCONI E SALVANDO, COSI', L'ITALIA, CHE GIUSTAMENTE, CHIAMA, AL MOMENTO, DITTATURA FASCIONDRANGHETISTA DI BERLUSCONIA!!!
MAI VISTO UN ASSOLUTO GENIO COME MICHELE NISTA. AZZECCA IN AZIONI E MATERIE PRIME SEMPRE, SEMPRE, SEMPRE. E NON SOLO IN AZIONI A MATERIE PRIME, MA SU TUTTO. AZZECCA SU TUTTO, E ANCHE CON NOVE, DODICI MEDI DI ANTICIPO. LO DICE CARTA CHE CANTA, LO DICONO SUE EMAILS E POST. IL GRANDISSIMO GENIO E RE MIDA MICHELE NISTA, HA PRESO IL RIBASSO DEL DOW JONES DEL 2007 E 2008, IL RIALZO DEL MARZO 2009, IL MINIMO DEL DOW JONES A 9700, DEL LUGLIO 2010, IL RIALZO DI INIZIO AUTUNNO 2010, IL RIBASSO DEL MAGGIO 2011, E L'ESPLOSIVO RIALZO CHE CI HA PORTATO AI GIORNI NOSTRI. AZZECCA SU TUTTO E' SEMPRE, IL GENIO MICHELE NISTA. SU TUTTO E SEMPRE. MA COME FA??? MICHELE NISTA, UN GRANDISSIMO GENIO, IL PIU' GRANDE GENIO BORSISTICO, DA SECOLI IN QUA. LO DICONO TONNELLATE DI FATTI, LO DICE CARTA STAMPATA DA INTERNET, CHE CANTA COME UN USIGNOLO. MICHELE NISTA, SEI UN GRANDISSIMO GENIO"!
Ciao a tutti. Mi chiamo Gianni, sono di Rimini, e vivo tra la mia citta' natale e Stoccolma, essendo mia moglie svedese. Devo dire che ho grande voglia di esprimere la mia gioia di conoscere l'assolutissimo genio Michele Nista (michelenista@gmx.com), di cui son felicissimo e arricchitissimo cliente. Un genio senza se e senza ma. Genio e eroe, in quanto sta salvandoci anche dalla dittatura maf..ascista ed assassina di Silvio Berlusconi. Con una creativita', energia, coraggio, e specialmente, risultati vincentissimi, che non trovi da nessuna altra parte, e mai. Non sbaglia mai e stra mai, ovvero, azzecca sempre, facendo fare tantissimi soldi, a tutti, in previsioni su azioni e materie prime. Ma azzecca anche, qualsiasi previsione in politica, calcio. Qualunque altra cosa. Michele Nista e' una vera e propria success machine, tutti i giorni dell'anno. Michele Nista e' un grandissimo Re Mida, uno dei piu' grandi Re Mida di tutti i tempi, in azioni, materie prime e non solo. E questo da fine anni 80, non solo da ora. O da due, tre anni. E' molto boicottato, il genio Michele Nista, da un topo di fogna, gia' condannato al carcere in Italia, Brasile, e indagato in
Inghilterra, che e' il pervertito sessuale, nazista, minacciante morte, e quindi, assassino: Paolo Barrai di Mercato Libero.
Non mi credete su che verme sia l'assassino fallito Paolo Barrai che attacca sempre, il genio in azioni e materie prime, nonche', eroe civile, Michele Nista? Allora date un'occhiata a cosa scrive chi da lui, si e' visto, di fatto, derubare milioni di euro, tutti risparmi che aveva:
Gruppo di risparmiatori truffati da bastardissimo criminale, pluri pregiudicato, avanzo di galera Paolo Barrai ( Blog Mercato "Merdato" Libero). Da incapace, delinquente, ladro, mega lava EURO mafiosi o "politicriminali", padanazista, berlusconazista, razzista, antisemita, super cocainomane, acclarato pedofilo, frequente mandante di omicidi Paolo Barrai ( Mercato Libero noto a tutto il mondo come Mer-d-ato Libero). Si, assolutamente, pure assassino Paolo Barrai ( "suicidatore" di David Rossi di Mps ma non solo). Schifoso lava cash mafioso e killer Paolo Barrai nato a Milano il 28.6.1965. E, prima di ora scappare come un vile ratto, a Lugano, in Svizzera (avendo paura di venire arrestato, in quanto indagato da Procure di Mezza Italia) e fra poco ancora piÃÆ'¹ lontano: a Panama ( ove lo proteggerebbe il criminalissimo nazifascista corrottissimo ambasciatore lava EURO e $ mafiosi Giancarlo Maria Curcio
http://www.ambpanama.esteri.it/Ambasciata_Panama/Menu/Ambasciata/Ambasciatore/
non per niente, vicino al noto camorrist-avanzo di galera Valter Lavitola
http://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2012/05/01/ecco-legami-valter-lavitola-lambasciatore-curcio-panama/214621/
http://www.bergamonews.it/politica/lavitola-e-berlusconi-intercettazoni-e-ricatti-hard-di-panama-183608)
 
Verme repellente Paolo Barrai di Mercato Libero: facente sue terrificanti delinquenze in cravatta da casa ( comprata attraverso centinaia di estorsioni di quando trafficava in Citibank e tantissimi altri crimini) di Via Ippodromo 105 Milano. O DAGLI UFFICI DI MALAVITOSA, MEGA LAVA SOLDI DI COSA NOSTRA, LADRONA, BASTARDAMENTE CRIMINALE BSI ITALIA SRL DI VIA SOCRATE 26 MILANO. IN MANO A SUO PADRE, NOTO PADANAZIS-T-RUFFATORE E PURE NOTO PEDERASTA VINCENZO BARRAI. ABITANTE IN VIA PADOVA 282 A MILANO E NATO A MILANO IL 3.5.1938
Ciao, sono Antonella di Milano, e faccio parte di un foltissimo gruppo di clienti derubati di tutto, dall'assolutamente criminale Paolo Barrai (Mercato Libero, ormai noto nel mondo intero come Mer-d-ato
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Wednesday, August 19, 2015

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lenona321@yahoo.com: Aug 19 07:32AM -0700

By Robert Franklin, fathers'-rights lawyer.
 
https://www.nationalparentsorganization.org/blog/22557-women-against-paternity-fraud-federal-money-drives-paternity-fraud
 
First two-fifths:
 
Women Against Paternity Fraud: Federal Money Drives Paternity Fraud
 
August 19, 2015 by Robert Franklin, Esq, Member, National Board of Directors, National Parents Organization
 
The organization, Women Against Paternity Fraud, has recently come out with a series of educational videos. This is their best yet. It's hard-hitting, concise and packed with information about the big business that is paternity fraud in the United States. Put simply, it's all about money. Follow the dollars and the resulting policies come as no surprise.
 
Narrator Dianna Thompson begins with perhaps the most telling of the historical facts about paternity fraud. In 2002, the California Legislature passed a law called the California Paternity Justice Act that would have required the state to get the right man when establishing paternity. But despite its passage by the legislature, then-Governor Gray Davis vetoed it. Why? Because, had he signed it into law, the state stood to lose some $40 million a year in federal funds.
 
When a woman receives benefits under the federal welfare program called Temporary Assistance to Needy Families, federal law strongly encourages states to require her to identify the father of her children. That's because, once he's identified, the state is required to get reimbursement from him of the TANF funds paid to her.
 
So, the more fathers the state identifies, the more money can be recouped and the happier the federal government is. Unsurprisingly, Washington offers states hefty rewards for paternity establishment and serious penalties for failing to do so. Thompson informs viewers that the federal government places a 90% threshold on states for paternity establishment. Fall below that threshold and states face financial penalties and requirements that they upgrade paternity establishment rates. Meet or exceed that level and Washington sends more money.
 
So the California Paternity Justice Act would have improved the lives of countless men and children in the Golden State, but, when balanced against the potential money lost, Davis had little difficulty deciding whether to sign the bill or kill it. Obviously, any legal requirements that made establishing paternity more difficult or time-consuming threatened the state's ability to meet its federally-mandated target. In so doing, it risked reducing cash flow.
 
In case anyone missed the point, Davis made it clear saying the bill "would directly impact child support collections" and "jeopardize California's ability to meet federal child support measures."
 
But surely there's nothing wrong with establishing who a child's father is, right? After all, don't we want as many fathers involved in their children's lives as possible? So what's the problem with the federal government encouraging states to do just that? And what does any of that have to do with paternity fraud?...
 
(snip)
 
 
Lenona.
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Saturday, August 15, 2015

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"Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com>: Aug 14 02:07PM -0700

The Real Bev wrote:
> enough data for the average user."
 
> Which sould seem to mean that the pay-as-you-go "plans" don't offer
> data.
 
They are pretty clear about the data. "Unlimited" monthly plans offer 3 or 5 GB
at high speed, then slow down to 64kbps for the rest of the month. Pay as you go
plans offer data at $.10/megabyte. (Click on "more info" within the pay as you
go plan chart)
>> $100/gigabyte, so skip the videos.
 
> Pretty much google maps. If T-Mobile kills my $10/year plan I'd be
> interested in their $10/120 days plan.
 
You might need a different phone.
Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com>: Aug 14 01:14PM -0700

On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 23:16:40 -0700, The Real Bev
>> operation. What have I got to lose?
 
>I assume you did a factory reset... There may also be a paperclip-size
>hole to do a reset in case the buttons don't work.
 
Yeah, tried that - no joy. The issue was that wifi would not turn on.
However, wifi would turn on if booted in Safe Mode (i.e. only bare
minimum SW loaded) - thus my belief that the wifi hardware is OK, but
there is a software problem. Factory reset removed any non-factory
apps that might be causing the problem, but it still persisted. And
that's where I left it until I get motivated to do more futzing. In
the meantime, I bought a new (less expensive) phone for my daughter to
use while away at college.
 
Dennis (evil)
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Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com>: Aug 14 01:20PM -0700

On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 12:18:36 -0700, The Real Bev
 
>Pretty much google maps. If T-Mobile kills my $10/year plan I'd be
>interested in their $10/120 days plan.
 
Are you aware that you can download google maps of the area of
interest (via wifi) and then use them offline? Works if you can plan
ahead. Not so useful if you get lost or want to find an address
unexpectedly.
 
Dennis (evil)
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The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>: Aug 14 08:02PM -0700

On 08/14/2015 01:20 PM, Dennis wrote:
> interest (via wifi) and then use them offline? Works if you can plan
> ahead. Not so useful if you get lost or want to find an address
> unexpectedly.
 
Yeah :-( Without specifying the area it just saves an inadequately
small area centered on your location when you opened it with wifi.
 
I had copilot for a while (you can load the BIG maps onto the external
card -- I have instructions). I can't remember why I deleted it...
Maybe it's easier for just finding stuff.
 
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The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>: Aug 14 08:20PM -0700

On 08/14/2015 02:07 PM, Bob F wrote:
> at high speed, then slow down to 64kbps for the rest of the month. Pay as you go
> plans offer data at $.10/megabyte. (Click on "more info" within the pay as you
> go plan chart)
 
I saw the $10 PIN thing before, but it wasn't exactly clear what was
meant. So if I go for the $10/120 day plan, part of that $10 can be
used for data at 10 cents/MB? Or do I have to buy a separate $10 PIN
just for data?
 
 
>> Pretty much google maps. If T-Mobile kills my $10/year plan I'd be
>> interested in their $10/120 days plan.
 
> You might need a different phone.
 
3G.
 
I'm really ticked. I bought the Motorola Moto G Rev 2 with 8 GB of
memory for $180 less BestBuy's 6% less $40 worth of Best Buy points, and
now the 16GB version is available from Amazon for $150. I would have
bought the 16GB version in a snap -- I really like the phone. Comes
with Kitkat instantly upgradeable to lollipop.
 
Mine can use only one SIM. Some can use two. The ones at Amazon don't
say. It also has a slot for an external sdcard (essential). There's a
website that gives much more detailed specs, but I can't remember what
it is :-) You'd think it would be the manufacturer's site, but it's not.
 
 
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Dee <d@d.d>: Aug 15 05:36PM

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in
> was meant. So if I go for the $10/120 day plan, part of that $10
> can be used for data at 10 cents/MB? Or do I have to buy a
> separate $10 PIN just for data?
 
Yes, the standard plan, which really isn't a plan but Pay-as-you-go,
includes data. I have been using this for many years.
 
You load a card ($10/$25/$50/$80) on your account, and that money is
available to be used for voice/texts/data. There is an expiration
date, but if you load more money any unused balance rolls over.
 
So if you load a $10 card, then voice is billed at 10c/min, and the
balance expires in 120 days.
 
If you load a $25 card, voice is 6c/min, and expiration the same as
above.
 
The $50 card gets you 5c/min, 120 days.
 
For all of these cards texts are billed at 5c/ea, and data at 10c/meg.
 
The $80 card is available only through dealers, with voice at 4c/min
and expiration date of 1 year.
 
Dee
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>: Aug 15 01:59PM -0700

On 08/15/2015 10:36 AM, Dee wrote:
 
> For all of these cards texts are billed at 5c/ea, and data at 10c/meg.
 
> The $80 card is available only through dealers, with voice at 4c/min
> and expiration date of 1 year.
 
Sounds like a good replacement for the t-mobile plan I have if it
disappears. Thanks for the clarification.
 
 
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Friday, August 14, 2015

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The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>: Aug 13 11:13PM -0700

On 08/13/2015 03:29 PM, Bob F wrote:
 
> You pay for it, then use it. I bought 2000 minutes a couple years ago, now add
> $10 for another 100 minutes every 120 days. Still have lots of the 2000 left
> carrying over.
 
How do minutes = data? I'd use much more data than phone minutes.
 
 
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The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>: Aug 13 11:16PM -0700

On 08/13/2015 03:03 PM, Dennis wrote:
 
> done my share of customer technical support. If I find the time, I
> still may futz around with it and see if I can get it back to normal
> operation. What have I got to lose?
 
I assume you did a factory reset... There may also be a paperclip-size
hole to do a reset in case the buttons don't work.
 
 
--
Cheers, Bev
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incessantly without end ad infinitum" -- ibid.
"Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com>: Aug 14 10:37AM -0700

The Real Bev wrote:
>> ago, now add $10 for another 100 minutes every 120 days. Still have
>> lots of the 2000 left carrying over.
 
> How do minutes = data? I'd use much more data than phone minutes.
 
As I said previously "Data available, texts $.05, data $.10/megabyte".
 
I haven't tried the data at all yet. That $.10 adds up to $100/gigabyte, so skip
the videos.
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>: Aug 14 12:18PM -0700

On 08/14/2015 10:37 AM, Bob F wrote:
>>> lots of the 2000 left carrying over.
 
>> How do minutes = data? I'd use much more data than phone minutes.
 
> As I said previously "Data available, texts $.05, data $.10/megabyte".
 
I know, I was just wondering how it works. I didn't see anything about
adding data to the cheapest plan...
 
OK, I found this in the FAQ:
 
"Does Page Plus have an unlimited or add-on data plan?
While we are continuously evaluating our plans and the needs of our
customers, we do not currently offer an unlimited data plan or an add-on
data option. However, we do offer monthly plans with more than enough
data for the average user."
 
Which sould seem to mean that the pay-as-you-go "plans" don't offer data.
 
> I haven't tried the data at all yet. That $.10 adds up to $100/gigabyte, so skip
> the videos.
 
Pretty much google maps. If T-Mobile kills my $10/year plan I'd be
interested in their $10/120 days plan.
 
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Thursday, August 13, 2015

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The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>: Aug 12 08:21PM -0700

On 08/12/2015 12:17 PM, Bob F wrote:
 
> Just turn off data except when you need it. 2000minutes/1yr for $80, 100
> minutes/4mo $10, minutes carry over if you don't let them expire, so you have to
> keep track of renew date. Data available, texts $.05, data $.10/megabyte.
 
Got a URL? I looked at the PP site and couldn't find anything even
close to that :-(
 
 
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"Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com>: Aug 12 09:48PM -0700

The Real Bev wrote:
>> Data available, texts $.05, data $.10/megabyte.
 
> Got a URL? I looked at the PP site and couldn't find anything even
> close to that :-(
 
Pay-as-you-go plans
https://www.pagepluscellular.com/plans/
RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com>: Aug 13 08:37AM +0100

On 13/08/2015 05:48, Bob F wrote:
>> close to that :-(
 
> Pay-as-you-go plans
> https://www.pagepluscellular.com/plans/
 
Is this one of the few things that we get cheaper in the UK? I pay
£10/month ($15) for the equivalent of their $30 plan. Not exactly a
reason to up sticks . . . ;-)
 
Mind, the home broadband effectively costs $50/month for a 100Mb service.
 
 
--
Cheers, Rob
Dee <d@d.d>: Aug 13 11:23AM

Beaver_Fever@live.com wrote in
> what should I do here?
 
> This has the opportunity to be the last great MCFL on topic
> thread, let's make it count!
 
Tracfone now has BYOP (Bring Your Own Phone). Buy a used Verizon
post-paid smartphone on eBay (or even new, there is a seller with new
Moto G phones for $45 on eBay). Then switch your service to the new
phone (may require an ESN change and/or new SIM card, I'm not sure).
 
I'm on Page Plus now and have recommended them in the past, but they
are more expensive than Tracfone. I'll probably be switching to TF
in the next couple of months.
 
Dee
trader4@optonline.net: Aug 13 06:39AM -0700

On Wednesday, August 12, 2015 at 12:13:40 PM UTC-4, Beaver...@live.com wrote:
 
Check out Ting. It's prepaid where you buy the amount of V, T, D that you need. Like most VMNOs, Ting rides on Sprint, so how well it would work depends on the Spring coverage in the area you're using it in.
trader4@optonline.net: Aug 13 06:58AM -0700

On Wednesday, August 12, 2015 at 6:09:29 PM UTC-4, Bruce Esquibel wrote:
 
> A friend of mine was using them, keyword, was.
 
> -bruce
> bje@ripco.com
 
And getting refunded for what you don't use is such a bad thing?
From what I see, you can get a plan with unlimited V/T, 500mb of
data for $17.50, and if you don't use all the data, they refund a
few bucks at the end of the month.
 
I think the bigger issue with Republic is that the voice call default
uses wifi and it only goes on the cellular network if wifi isn't
available. I've tried several VOIP services on my phone and they
have ranged from terrible to barely acceptable. Nothing like the
call quality and reliability from traditional cell companies. Maybe
Republic is better, but I don't want to be the one to figure it out.
"Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com>: Aug 13 07:29AM -0700

RJH wrote:
> reason to up sticks . . . ;-)
 
> Mind, the home broadband effectively costs $50/month for a 100Mb
> service.
 
Both substantially less than the US. Similar for cable TV I suspect. I've heard
much of europe is similarly less. I don't have a cap on my internet though.
"Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com>: Aug 13 07:38AM -0700

Bob F wrote:
 
> Both substantially less than the US. Similar for cable TV I suspect.
> I've heard much of europe is similarly less. I don't have a cap on my
> internet though.
 
Oops! No cap memtioned. That's twice as fast as my service.
RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com>: Aug 13 04:06PM +0100

On 13/08/2015 15:38, Bob F wrote:
>> I've heard much of europe is similarly less. I don't have a cap on my
>> internet though.
 
> Oops! No cap memtioned. That's twice as fast as my service.
 
No cap. I'd guess your telecomms people have stitched it all up and
created cartels. We have a strange legacy issue, in that our 'backbone'
provider (British Telecom) used to be state owned. Since privatisation
(mid-80s, Thatcher), government has regulated prices to an extent, but
that grip is being loosened. So we'll catch you up ;-)
 
On TV, we have 'Free to Air', which provides a pretty good service for
many, but a $200 licence fee is payable to the BBC. Quite a few (me
included) don't pay, because we use internet 'catch up' service like the
BBC iPlayer. So TV is effectively free, unless you want sports, movies
et - in which case it's over to Murdoch etc.
 
It's a funny do. Your food is a lot cheaper than ours, and property in
all but the prime areas is a factor of many less to buy/rent. Our direct
taxes are higher but then we get the health service. Etc :-)
 
 
--
Cheers, Rob
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>: Aug 13 10:12AM -0700

On 08/12/2015 09:48 PM, Bob F wrote:
>> close to that :-(
 
> Pay-as-you-go plans
> https://www.pagepluscellular.com/plans/
 
Crap, I just didn't look far enough down the page. With the prepaid
'plans' do you buy unexpirable data in advance or just pay for it as you
use it?
 
 
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Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com>: Aug 13 08:03PM

>have ranged from terrible to barely acceptable. Nothing like the
>call quality and reliability from traditional cell companies. Maybe
>Republic is better, but I don't want to be the one to figure it out.
 
I've been using Republic for about 8 months now (my kids have been on
it for about 1 year longer - they were my test cases). I have had no
problems with the call quality on wifi (at home, at work or at any of
the hotspots I've used), but maybe it varies with the quality of your
wifi signal. My only other experience with VOIP was with the GrooVeIP
app (via Google Voice) and the Republic quality is consistenly better
than that was.
 
My phone is on their $10/month plan (unlimited cell talk and text,
plus wifi talk, text and data when available). It works great for me,
but I am intrigued by their new scheme where I can buy some cell data
and then get refunded for what I don't use. Seems ideal for me as I
would only rarely use data when away from wifi.
 
My only complaint is that my daughter's $300 Moto-X phone died after
14 months - just outside of the one-year mfg warranty. Republic
support was very slow to respond and didn't offer me any special
consideration outside of the mfg's warranty. Maybe that is no
different than any other carrier would do - I don't know. (I was kind
of hoping for some special treatment since I was a Beta early
adopter.) So that kind of erased any savings I might have enjoyed from
using Republic vs. any other conventional carrier's plan.
 
Dennis (evil)
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trader4@optonline.net: Aug 13 01:26PM -0700

On Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 4:03:24 PM UTC-4, Dennis wrote:
> adopter.) So that kind of erased any savings I might have enjoyed from
> using Republic vs. any other conventional carrier's plan.
 
> Dennis (evil)
 
IDK what, if anything, a regular carrier would do to help you out
with a phone that was out of warranty. I had a friend who had a
Motorola Razor with Verizon, he had been a customer for decades,
was currently on a ~$100 month plan and Verizon wouldn't do
anything for him. Finally, after standing there, arguing in front
of other customers, a supervisor finally gave him a number to call
at Moto and told him that they might swap it for $100. That's
what he ended up doing, so at least he got some help from someplace,
but it looks like V just tries to make you go away.
 
And in the case of Republic, with a $10 plan they are hardly
making anything to begin with, so they don't have margin to
work with.
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>: Aug 13 02:40PM -0700

On 08/13/2015 01:03 PM, Dennis wrote:
> than that was.
 
> My phone is on their $10/month plan (unlimited cell talk and text,
> plus wifi talk, text and data when available).
 
I got tired of looking around for plans -- all I saw was
PHONESPHONESPHONES and I already have one (Motorola Moto G #2, which is
a fine phone.
 
http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Moto-2nd-generation-Unlocked/dp/B00MWI4HW0locked/dp/B00MWI4HW0
 
> but I am intrigued by their new scheme where I can buy some cell data
> and then get refunded for what I don't use. Seems ideal for me as I
> would only rarely use data when away from wifi.
 
The only data I seriously want to use when wifi is unavailable is google
maps. Osmand is kind of a nuisance to use if you just want to find a place.
 
> 14 months - just outside of the one-year mfg warranty. Republic
> support was very slow to respond and didn't offer me any special
> consideration outside of the mfg's warranty.
 
You mean you didn't buy it with a credit card that gives you an extra
year's warranty? Shame on you!
 
 
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trader4@optonline.net: Aug 13 02:57PM -0700

On Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 5:41:01 PM UTC-4, The Real Bev wrote:
 
> I got tired of looking around for plans -- all I saw was
> PHONESPHONESPHONES and I already have one (Motorola Moto G #2, which is
> a fine phone.
 
Look at *prepaid plans*. All the carriers have them, they are the
lowest cost option and every one I've seen you can bring your own
phone, provided it's compatible.
Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com>: Aug 13 10:03PM


>And in the case of Republic, with a $10 plan they are hardly
>making anything to begin with, so they don't have margin to
>work with.
 
I guess what torqued me off most was that I am reasonably convinced
that it is a software problem (i.e., there may be a relatively simple,
user applicable fix available), but Republic support offered no
assistance or even much interest, just suggested that I toss a
year-old $300 phone and buy a new replacement at full price.
 
I'm no expert on Android phones, but I am an experienced systems
engineer and know my way around PC networking and hardware. And I have
done my share of customer technical support. If I find the time, I
still may futz around with it and see if I can get it back to normal
operation. What have I got to lose?
 
 
Dennis (evil)
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"Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com>: Aug 13 03:29PM -0700

The Real Bev wrote:
 
> Crap, I just didn't look far enough down the page. With the prepaid
> 'plans' do you buy unexpirable data in advance or just pay for it as
> you use it?
 
You pay for it, then use it. I bought 2000 minutes a couple years ago, now add
$10 for another 100 minutes every 120 days. Still have lots of the 2000 left
carrying over.
Derald <derald@invalid.net>: Aug 13 08:47AM -0400

more Pageplus:
Neglected to mention that MMS, SMS (etc.), voice mail may be
disabled and, unlike other services, they _remain_ disabled until
explicitly reactivated. On some services, those functions either cannot
be disabled or they reactivate each month..
I use the $10 (no tax in my state) "standard" plan for the
emergency/honey-do phone that stays in the truck and the $12.00 ($13+,
with tax added) plan for the "home" phone. It's nice to have the phone
ring long enough for an old fart to find it.
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Derald
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