Friday, April 8, 2011

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Today's topics:

* Mormons prepare for disaster. Are you ready? - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/88fce03475303ee6?hl=en
* Is Christianity a Constructive or Destructive Force? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e0ed6c41216f674d?hl=en
* We should tie up Christians, tickle them with a feather and make them
confess they are lying - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e50850112b9fa1c9?hl=en
* HAVING FUN IS PART OF EVERYDAY LIFE FOR A NONCHRISTIAN - 2 messages, 2
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/8baeda08a7bb5146?hl=en
* grill/smoker question - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/d1365168fc5c3239?hl=en
* I want to spend less than $4,000 on a back yard shed! - 3 messages, 3
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/161fe65328ac9341?hl=en
* Miami's Deco Bike vs. London's Bike Program - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/93acc04d8f684cc3?hl=en

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TOPIC: Mormons prepare for disaster. Are you ready?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/88fce03475303ee6?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 6 2011 11:35 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"


"T�m Sherm�nT �_�" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote in
message news:injjfk$v9a$1@dont-email.me...
> On 4/7/2011 12:08 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>> "T�m Sherm�nT �_�" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net
>> <mailto:"twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net>"> wrote in message
>> news:iniuds$j2t$1@dont-email.me...
>> [...]
>> > I like this answer from the Yahoo! link: "The bikes restrict the
>> > bloodflow to their naughty parts, so it cuts down on their sex drive.
>> > This allows them to focus on selling the gospel to the
>> underprivileged."
>> >
>> > This why you see Mormon missionaries riding uprights, and not
>> recumbents.
>
>> Riding uprights does far more than merely restrict blood flow to the
>> groin. It causes hydroceles, penile numbness, and other serious medical
>> conditions. For all I know, those damn saddles may even cause enlarged
>> prostate leading to bladder problems and prostate cancer!
>
> Dear Ed,
>
> Please post using plain text.

I recently downloaded Internet Explorer 9 and it has changed many of my
settings on my Windows Mail. The main thing it changed was the font. I have
always preferred Arial size 14. Now I am getting Times Roman size 12. I will
have to figure out how to get back my former settings.

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 7 2011 5:42 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"


On Apr 7, 1:52 am, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net"> wrote:
> On 4/7/2011 12:08 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> > "Tºm Shermªn™ °_°" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net
> > <mailto:"twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net>"> wrote in message
> >news:iniuds$j2t$1@dont-email.me...
> > [...]
> >  > I like this answer from the Yahoo! link: "The bikes restrict the
> >  > bloodflow to their naughty parts, so it cuts down on their sex drive.
> >  > This allows them to focus on selling the gospel to the underprivileged."
>
> >  > This why you see Mormon missionaries riding uprights, and not recumbents.
> > Riding uprights does far more than merely restrict blood flow to the
> > groin. It causes hydroceles, penile numbness, and other serious medical
> > conditions. For all I know, those damn saddles may even cause enlarged
> > prostate leading to bladder problems and prostate cancer!
>
> Dear Ed,
>
> Please post using plain text.

He's a doctor, or at least he got encyclopedic knowledge from being a
librarian.

Now, "Dr. Ed," do bigger beach cruiser seats do you harm? I experience
some discomfort after an hour or so, depending on the seat.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 7 2011 9:32 am
From: Trevor


On 4/6/2011 4:01 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
Philosopher wrote:
> On Apr 6, 5:07 pm, Trevor<tre...@holyoak.dotcom> wrote:
>> On 4/4/2011 12:26 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>>
>> Philosopher wrote:
>>> Never mind. I've thought there was a morality, not a very mundane
>>> reason for it...
>>
>>> "They pay for their own missions.
>>
>>> Bikes are much less expensive than cars. Gas, insurance, tax,
>>> maintenance, etc."
>>
>>> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070729182129AAPSXNT
>>
>> Mormons do pay for their own missions, but not all missionaries ride
>> bikes. I spent time on foot and in a car on my mission, along with the
>> time spent on a bicycle. Some missionaries spend all their time on foot,
>> or in a car. It depends on where you go.
>>
>> We actually had kids ask us if we rode bikes because we don't believe in
>> electricity. I guess they didn't see the electric light on my handlebars. ;)
>>
>> - Trevor
>
> So I read before. Are you practicing now?

Yes, practicing is probably a good word for it, as I am still far from
perfect. ;)

- Trevor


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 7 2011 10:01 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"


On Apr 7, 12:32 pm, Trevor <tre...@holyoak.dotcom> wrote:
> On 4/6/2011 4:01 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
>
>
> Philosopher wrote:
> > On Apr 6, 5:07 pm, Trevor<tre...@holyoak.dotcom>  wrote:
> >> On 4/4/2011 12:26 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> >> Philosopher wrote:
> >>> Never mind. I've thought there was a morality, not a very mundane
> >>> reason for it...
>
> >>> "They pay for their own missions.
>
> >>> Bikes are much less expensive than cars. Gas, insurance, tax,
> >>> maintenance, etc."
>
> >>>http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070729182129AAPSXNT
>
> >> Mormons do pay for their own missions, but not all missionaries ride
> >> bikes. I spent time on foot and in a car on my mission, along with the
> >> time spent on a bicycle. Some missionaries spend all their time on foot,
> >> or in a car. It depends on where you go.
>
> >> We actually had kids ask us if we rode bikes because we don't believe in
> >> electricity. I guess they didn't see the electric light on my handlebars. ;)
>
> >> - Trevor
>
> > So I read before. Are you practicing now?
>
> Yes, practicing is probably a good word for it, as I am still far from
> perfect. ;)
>
> - Trevor

If you are riding a bike it seems like you are practicing more than
driving. ;)

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TOPIC: Is Christianity a Constructive or Destructive Force?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e0ed6c41216f674d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 7 2011 5:21 am
From: "h"

<clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote in message
news:gkrpp6lnlt8ceh1ikva1g51lu1n2trsnlm@4ax.com...

All organized religion is destructive.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 7 2011 11:59 am
From: "Rod Speed"


h wrote:

> All organized religion is destructive.

Nope. It can be constructive in primitive societys where there is no
other way to proscribe some activity and encourage other activity.

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TOPIC: We should tie up Christians, tickle them with a feather and make them
confess they are lying
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e50850112b9fa1c9?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 7 2011 6:06 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"


(This idea seem to be catching on in the world)

On Apr 7, 5:47 am, Fustigator <Fustiga...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> Vitae forma vocata "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
> Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> , die Wed, 6 Apr 2011
> 20:52:51 -0700 (PDT), in littera
> <597b2523-efbf-4041-a7c8-1136df8ad...@d28g2000yqc.googlegroups.com> in
> foro soc.culture.netherlands(et aliis) vere scripsit quod sequitur:
>
> >On Apr 6, 7:57 pm, Jimmy John <Ji...@john.sci> wrote:
>
> >> In article <ingukb$fk...@dont-email.me>,
> >> To be a legitimate comparison, one should compare those deaths caused by
> >> Xianity when is was the age that Islam is now, in which case, Islam
> >> looks better.
> >> And just so you know, that would have been during the Spanish
> >> Inquisition, during qhich time Christianity was not very nice.
>
> >The Spanish Inquisition never thought about that.
>
> it freed at last Spain from the curse of Isl m.

It freed them from the Jews as well, whether you consider them a good
or bad influence.

Actually Spain may have been a moderating influence on Islam, but
we'll never know.

>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> viva la banana!
> Especially its peel thrown before the feet of an opponent

That's right! They may be stepping in into "slippery territory." ;)


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TOPIC: HAVING FUN IS PART OF EVERYDAY LIFE FOR A NONCHRISTIAN
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/8baeda08a7bb5146?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 7 2011 6:22 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"


(I have gather my biographers to register this important Wisdom of the
Jungle in the book of quotations. Have you realized how sad is the
life of Christians? They don't even ride a bike for the most part or
do Tantra --the latter may be evil. They don't even take a nap in that
Rat Race that they live. And they wait until they die to live)

On Apr 7, 1:54 am, livvy <mmrward1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 5, 7:30 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> Philosopher" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 5, 1:45 pm, "Satan" <nob...@nowhere.nil> wrote:
>
> > > Can Jesus defeat the FSM or will the FSM be victorious?
>
> > > Satan
>
> > Remember the pizza with Jesus' face they found in Australia?
>
> > Round two and Spaghetti Monster better show some balls!
>
> >http://marquetteeducator.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/thinking-monkey1...
>
> Yikes. Time to settle down, admit it's a goof, stop wasting
> space. How sad, this is all you have to do, no real life, no
> family? You apparently have nothing, don't make that about anyone
> else. Atttachments work, only when they matter....yours do not
> matter, in any way.

HAVING FUN IS PART OF EVERYDAY LIFE FOR A NONCHRISTIAN.

We reject suffering.


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http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 7 2011 9:45 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"


On Apr 7, 9:40 am, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <ilbeba...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > HAVING FUN IS PART OF EVERYDAY LIFE FOR A NONCHRISTIAN.
>
> > We reject suffering.
>
> > ------------------------------------------------------
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION-Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> The life of a real Christian is anything but dull and boring as you
> have portrayed. Having a personal relationship with the Creator of
> the Universe and not suppressing the knowledge of him thru this
> incredible Creation we have all around us, makes everyday an amazing
> adventure. The more one reads and discovers how incredibly complex
> and grand everything is around him...the more exciting it is to walk
> with GOd daily and to look forward to spending an eternity in his
> direct presence. Conversely for the 'atheist' , he must take
> everthing for granted to help justify his willingness to pretend God
> isnt real or required , make himself believe everything is ultimately
> an accident cause by blind random 'nature' , his life has no ultimate
> meaning or value other than living for the weekends after putting in
> his 40 hours, lives for a feeding frenzy of pleasure often
> hedonistic in origin, and has nothing to look forward to after this
> short earthly life . His deathbed is something hes not looking
> forward to, whereas its graduation day for the One whos loved,
> honored, and desired God ...because it only gets better ! It could
> be the same for you if you wanted.

You are missing the GREAT PLEASURES OF LIFE. Here's my recipe:

1- Ride a bike,

2- Leisure time outside the cage,

3- Enjoy Tantra (non-reproductive sexual union prolonged until
ecstasy). *

Even that Church time on Sundays could be wisely used for any of the
above pursuits. It's in the Constitution: THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.

Look at the free birds and see how they love to sing to life. We could
be like them, you know. Set up a hammock somewhere and enjoy the
Wisdom of the Jungle.

* Mix in equal parts, but if you are missing one of the ingredients,
double the other. Bicycling is particularly important, though, to keep
your physical and mental balance. According to all evidence, sedentary
life and Christianity are closely related.

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TOPIC: grill/smoker question
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 7 2011 6:25 am
From: Ohioguy


> I don't know how the quality is since Traeger moved its production to
> China (my grill was made in Oregon), but there are several US-made
> competitors in the market now.

Can you point me to a few companies that make their grills in the USA?


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 7 2011 1:13 pm
From: Dennis


On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 09:25:34 -0400, Ohioguy <none@none.net> wrote:

>> I don't know how the quality is since Traeger moved its production to
>> China (my grill was made in Oregon), but there are several US-made
>> competitors in the market now.
>
> Can you point me to a few companies that make their grills in the USA?

Here's a couple -- google for more:
http://www.makgrills.com/
http://pelletgrilloutlet.com/memphis-wood-pellet-grills

I have no experience with these companies.

Oh, another big plus for wood pellet grills that I really like: you
can put your food on, close the lid and leave it. Flip the
steak/chop/chicken mid-way through. No flare ups, no burning, no
baby-sitting the grill.

Dennis (evil)
--
I'm behind the eight ball, ahead of the curve, riding the wave,
dodging the bullet and pushing the envelope. -George Carlin

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TOPIC: I want to spend less than $4,000 on a back yard shed!
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 7 2011 6:41 am
From: Ohioguy


I went to Lowe's and Home Depot to look at the sheds. About 80% of
them are built using particle board. Some of them even had particle
board as the floor!!! I also noticed that the joists were held together
without nails or screws for the most part - they used a metal joiner
plate that was pounded on, to hopefully hold them together. When I
pushed my weight against the wood, there was typically a lot more
movement than I was comfortable with. It's probably because they used
1.5" x 3" studs, rather than actual 2x4's.

I started looking at the metal buildings as well, but the side metal
was so thin that when I pushed on it a bit, it left a big dent. I could
just see what that metal shed would look like after 5 years of use -
dented all over. I would have gladly purchased it for 75% more, if they
just made the siding metal twice as thick.

Basically, here is what I want:

1) simplicity
2) heavy duty
3) inexpensive (~$1,400 or less)
4) shed style roof (slightly slanted, single plane)

Anyone know of some simple plans that would give me this? Thanks!


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 7 2011 7:55 am
From: Foo Fighter


In article <4d9dbef4$0$14062$882e7ee2@usenet-news.net>,
Ohioguy <none@none.net> wrote:

> I went to Lowe's and Home Depot to look at the sheds. About 80% of
> them are built using particle board. Some of them even had particle
> board as the floor!!! I also noticed that the joists were held together
> without nails or screws for the most part - they used a metal joiner
> plate that was pounded on, to hopefully hold them together. When I
> pushed my weight against the wood, there was typically a lot more
> movement than I was comfortable with. It's probably because they used
> 1.5" x 3" studs, rather than actual 2x4's.
>
> I started looking at the metal buildings as well, but the side metal
> was so thin that when I pushed on it a bit, it left a big dent. I could
> just see what that metal shed would look like after 5 years of use -
> dented all over. I would have gladly purchased it for 75% more, if they
> just made the siding metal twice as thick.
>
> Basically, here is what I want:
>
> 1) simplicity
> 2) heavy duty
> 3) inexpensive (~$1,400 or less)
> 4) shed style roof (slightly slanted, single plane)
>
> Anyone know of some simple plans that would give me this? Thanks!

we built a shed out of pallets. you can find them 8 feet long. Then we
covered it in left over shingles people give away on Craigslist.
Cost $25 for nails , hinges etc.
good luck and Recycle!
--
Karma, What a concept!


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 7 2011 12:02 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Ohioguy wrote:

> I went to Lowe's and Home Depot to look at the sheds. About 80% of
> them are built using particle board. Some of them even had particle
> board as the floor!!! I also noticed that the joists were held
> together without nails or screws for the most part - they used a
> metal joiner plate that was pounded on, to hopefully hold them
> together. When I pushed my weight against the wood, there was
> typically a lot more movement than I was comfortable with. It's
> probably because they used 1.5" x 3" studs, rather than actual 2x4's.

> I started looking at the metal buildings as well, but the side metal
> was so thin that when I pushed on it a bit, it left a big dent. I
> could just see what that metal shed would look like after 5 years of
> use - dented all over. I would have gladly purchased it for 75%
> more, if they just made the siding metal twice as thick.

> Basically, here is what I want:

> 1) simplicity
> 2) heavy duty
> 3) inexpensive (~$1,400 or less)

You get all that with a shipping container.

> 4) shed style roof (slightly slanted, single plane)

No point in requiring that, but you can add one to a shipping container if you insist on that.

> Anyone know of some simple plans that would give me this? Thanks!

You dont need plans, just get a shipping container.

You dont need plans if you want to make it yourself either.

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TOPIC: Miami's Deco Bike vs. London's Bike Program
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/93acc04d8f684cc3?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 7 2011 10:11 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"


On Mar 14, 9:52 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the
Stop the Bullshit Campaign" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Through it all, I think we can beat London.

Sorry, we can't beat London! London has been around for a long while
and it's bound to be more civilized than us. As I try this DECO BIKE
program and try to find the meaning of it, I find it that my
predictions came true, ie. the bikes are concentrated in the tourist
area for show...

"I had strong suspicions that the caca (poop) on the Turtle Fancy
Mixed Path along the beach came from fancy dogs and not from stray
cats that populate the environment. In effect yesterday I witnessed
twice how leashed dogs were doing caca and their owners never bothered
to pick it up. The first one was on the grass at 74 ST and the second
RIGHT ON THE PAVEMENT near 65 ST and I shouted as I went by, "Nasty,
nasty!"

So this path is not only unsafe but unfit for humans for sanitary
reasons."

"MAY THE SUN SHINE UPON YOU!"

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