Frugal Living: Oct 18, 2007

Thursday, October 18, 2007

25 new messages in 15 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: dishtv programmable remote (channel timer) for std receiver/tuner?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 1:54 pm
From: BeaForoni@msn.com

On Oct 17, 7:22 pm, patrick <patm31...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello; The std tuner/receivers for the dsh tv system (model #311/322)
> don't appear to have timer/channel programability function . In order
> to use the vcr for recording, you have to lleave the receier to one
> channel, set the vcr to that channel then program the vcr to record at
> a particular time. There's no program for time and channel change.
> Do any of the more intelligent universal remotes have the capability
> to enter all the stuff re the channel and time to change then trip
> the dishtv receiver to do the deed? That would keep the cost down a
> bit as it would keep me from buying the dvr that would allow that in
> addition to the monthly fee for the privelege of having a dvr! Thanks
> Pat

My Dish reciever has an automatic channel tune. Easy to go to the show
on the schedual and one of the prompts is auto tune.

VCR? They still make those? Five dollars a month and you get the DVR
which is so easy to use.

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TOPIC: Free Learn to Fly Kit
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/790c0760bcec175a?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 2:34 pm
From: "TheBestFreebies.com"

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 3:33 pm
From: Al Bundy

TheBestFreebies.com wrote:
> Request our FREE Learn To Fly Kit now, and you'll receive the materials
> necessary to begin your quest for the skies.
>
> --
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Featuring half off for those who don't need to learn how to land.

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TOPIC: LCD power consumption
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b7795a2be395a19a?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 3:11 pm
From: Ron Peterson

On Oct 18, 1:49 pm, m...@privacy.net wrote:

> Well I WOULD just buy an HD tuner for a PC.... but need
> a screen big enough to set back say 8 feet from. Given
> that it appears a 30" computer monitor ONLY screen far
> out costs a dedicated LCD HDTV. See what I mean?

> I'd LOVE to have a computer only in my front room and
> as a TV.....but the high monitor costs (in size I need)
> keep me form doing it1

Some LCD TVs can be used as computer monitors.

> Am I missing something here?

It depends on your needs. My sister has a full scale home theatre,
which is nice with its full surround sound and 8' rear projection
screen. The setup needs its own room. But I don't think that most of
us would find it frugal.

> Like I said..... I can buy a 32" Vizio LCD HDTV for abt
> $500 from Costco..... but the 30" Apple monitor only
> costs $1800!! How come??

The Vizio only has 1366 x 768 resolution which is less than the HD TV
standard. The Sharp 37" LCD TV has the full 1920 x 1080 resolution but
runs about $1600.

The advantage of using a computer is that you can gain TIVO
functionality without having to pay $20 /month.

--
Ron

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 6:07 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <dfffh39gsj93e8ffa6quje7bo6al50ddrp@4ax.com>,
<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>IMO, a 20" screen is perfectly comfortable for watching TV at 8 feet.
>>Why do you think you need a bigger screen? Or is it that you just
>>_want_ a bigger screen?

>Could be.... that I just assumed I needed bigger

Keep in mind that "large" console TVs used to be 25", so a 32" or 37"
screen should be fine for television viewing at eight feet.

Target lists a number of models between $500 and $999 in that size range
which include computer video inputs. Digging through the specs is a bit
tedious, and a few are missing (refresh rate, response time). But you
can probably find something suitable.

Gary

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Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net

http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

Yoko Onos' former driver tried to extort $2M from her, threating to
"release embarassing recordings...". What, he has a copy of her album?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 6:28 pm
From: Ron Peterson

On Oct 18, 8:07 pm, ghes...@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston) wrote:

> Target lists a number of models between $500 and $999 in that size range
> which include computer video inputs. Digging through the specs is a bit
> tedious, and a few are missing (refresh rate, response time). But you
> can probably find something suitable.

http://www.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/compare-lcd-models.php lists a number
of LCD TVs sortable on size, contrast ratio, brightness, and
resolution.

--
Ron

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TOPIC: Use flat bed sheets only?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/11daf24d12dfd175?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 3:12 pm
From: Greggie Gibson

me@privacy.net wrote in news:bccfh3tdpq2r579qm4j7r5khef0nae5ku7@4ax.com:

> OK..what abt the idea of just eliminating a top sheet
> all together and using only a comforter over top of
> you?
>
> I've read abt others doing that. Means you only need
> one sheet per bed. Some even put the comforter in a
> removable cover that will protect it form body oils and
> lets you remove and wash separately.
>

I've just started doing that. Just purchased a micro-fiber blanket and use
it without a top sheet. Entirely different sensation than a smooth sheet.
I've really begun to enjoy it. And the blanket washes up easily enough not
to worry about body oils. When it gets cold I just through another blanket
on top just as I would do anyway.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 4:28 pm
From: pc

Greggie Gibson wrote:
> me@privacy.net wrote in news:bccfh3tdpq2r579qm4j7r5khef0nae5ku7@4ax.com:
>
>> OK..what abt the idea of just eliminating a top sheet
>> all together and using only a comforter over top of
>> you?
>>
>> I've read abt others doing that. Means you only need
>> one sheet per bed. Some even put the comforter in a
>> removable cover that will protect it form body oils and
>> lets you remove and wash separately.
>>
>
> I've just started doing that. Just purchased a micro-fiber blanket and use
> it without a top sheet. Entirely different sensation than a smooth sheet.
> I've really begun to enjoy it. And the blanket washes up easily enough not
> to worry about body oils. When it gets cold I just through another blanket
> on top just as I would do anyway.

When I lived in New England, I only used a fitted sheet and a comforter
on top. But now that I am in southern FL, I use a top sheet and a
lightweight quilt.

I sweat more down here. And I find that the sheet and quilt combo helps
me control the temp better.

If you live in an area that's cold, you wear PJs and you don't sweat
alot, then going without a top sheet is fine. Otherwise I'd suggest
using one..or else you will be washing your comforter often.

We washed our sheets weekly growing up [and ironed them]. I must admit
I am a bit more lax than that now. But, we only washed our bottom
sheets. Then we would use our top sheets on the bottom and put a new
sheet on the top.

..PC

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TOPIC: Saint Bernadette on 3-8-99
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4daa7b6920e62f5f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 3:38 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Oct 18, 12:51 pm, Anthony Matonak
<anthony...@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
> linfa...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Saint Bernadette says,
>
> ...
> "You've gotta be original, because if you're like someone else,
> what do they need you for?" Bernadette Peters
>
> Anthony

LIke I say, they don't really believe this crap themselves. That's why
they need the constant reinforcement of pasting messages everywhere.
They are not "believers", but rather followers who can't think.

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TOPIC: Free Playdoh and Crayola Crayons
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f8a4fd7cd8ec62de?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 3:40 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Oct 18, 10:50 am, "TheBestFreebies.com"
<unavaila...@protected.email> wrote:
> Printable coupon for a FREE 4 pack of Playdoh or 24 pack of Crayola
> crayons. No purchase necessary.
>
> --
> The Best Freebies
>
That's worth exactly $1 at the dollar store without providing your
biography.

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TOPIC: FREE Printable Coupons
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4a772f6351c5159f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 3:44 pm
From: "TheBestFreebies.com"

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TOPIC: THE ORANGUTAN AND LOMBOK
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c258579b892ea868?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 5:18 pm
From: "herwia79@gmail.com"

Dear All Friends Worldwide,

Greetings from Lombok Island Indonesia,
Thank you very much for your time to read this short article.
God bless you all...

CAMPING AROUND ORANGUTANS VIA LOMBOK ISLAND ADVENTURE

Regret, we mean not to harm the Orangutans or our self and we still
keep on distance from them, but, Imagine you do camping in the deep of
jungle where vary of colorful tropical plantations covered you added
with various of tropical fauna welcome you with their funny ways, and
the ultimate of Orangutans surround you with all of their attractions
shown to you in great greenery scents of deep jungle with their
pristine air that will lust us to keep striving on getting nature life
that contain more happiness than pretending. Here, you will get your
deep special feeling; might be as God mind in the middle of his
creation and you will get your unforgettable of experiences ever.
Being on this area, you will know more about your self and promise you
finding better way of life for future.

Moreover, before arrive in Orangutans area you will tread by great
ultimate heritage of Lombok Island nature and unique culture that will
add your great time of adventure vacation of your dream. You will glad
what you did.

Our local staff will full guide you in 24 hours for your addition of
getting fun, safe, find great exception and unforgettable experiences
of your traveling, adventure or vacation dreams. Our expert tour guide
will also show you the other item that you never seen before as one of
your ultimate wealth in your life that could be as your best capital
for you and your next generations regarding what is better life's way.

Summer time is your best time to see these all exception with no hard
adventure will be found if you want to experience more adventure
challenges, in Rain season is your best choice. These adventures could
leave weekly from Lombok Island.

Once you did, you will be glad to do it again next time, especially if
you do together with your families and relations

Detail recommended itinerary is as follow:

Lombok- Yogyakarta (Borobudur Temple) - Camping Around Orangutans
Safari Adventure - Jakarta
10 Days / 9 Nights

Day 01: Arrival Lombok - Hotel (Senggigi Resort Area)
Arrival at Selaparang Airport of Mataram Lombok, meeting service and
transferred to your hotel at Senggigi resort area (Hotel recommended:
Senggigi Beach Hotel****) or similar.
Welcome dinner with us at local restaurant for Lombok Culinary. Take a
rest at your hotel.

Day 02 : Gili Trawangan Tour (B.L.D)
Morning breakfast at your hotel, get on board and leave for Gili
Trawangan tour by our private motorized wooden boat to Gili Trawangan
one of your Lombok Island best sites to visit, where here you will
enjoy the marine wild snorkeling to explore the amazing under water
life's with its colorful of corals reef and covered by over than 200
kind of fishes. Here, the gorgeous scenery will support your amazing
of adventure time in Lombok Island. Luncheon at local restaurant on
Gili Trawangan, Before dark back to hotel.

Day 03: Hotel - Senaru - Hati Suci Home Stay Sapit (B.L.D)
Morning breakfast, check out hotel and drive to Senaru to see great
Rinjani mountain slope famous called with the place of green scents of
your dreams, proceed to do the soft trekking to the gorgeous greenery
with waterfall as background. Luncheon will be served at Senaru Local
restaurant surrounding by amazing greenery scenery of Rinjani
Mountain. Before dark time, drive to Sapit eastern part of Rinjani
mountain slope where the Hati Suci Home Stay is waiting for your great
nature lodge to stay. Check in the home stay and continued with
special dinner with menu a la Mama.

Day 04: Short Sapit Adventure (B.L.D)
After breakfast with A la Mama Menu, adventuring the great rice field,
soft trekking the small canyon where here you will see also the gray
and black monkey of Lombok Island, meeting with villager and take
swimming in the natural mountain river where the waters spread from
the stones gap and covered by the gorgeous scenery of Rinjani National
Park volcano. Picked up by our private car, and Luncheon at home stay.
Free at leisure at hotel and having other dinner a la Mama.

Day 05: Sapit - Lombok Airport - Yogyakarta - Hotel (B.L.D)
Morning breakfast, check out hotel and transferred to Selaparang
Airport of Mataram to fly to Yogyakarta. Upon arrival at Yogyakarta
you will be picked up by our local staff and transferred to Mutiara
Hotel (or similar) located in Malioboro as the heart of Yogyakarta
City. Luncheon will be on the route (Options) and dinner will be at
Malioboro local restaurant for Yogyakarta culinary. Overnight.

Day 06: Yogyakarta - Borobudur Temple - Semarang Airport - Pangkalan
Bun - Tanjung Harapan Orangutan Rehabilitation Centre. (B.L.D)
Early breakfast at hotel, check out and transferred to Semarang
airport with stop over at Borobudur Temple you one of famous heritage
destination in the world. Then proceed to Semarang Airport, fly to
Pangkalan Bun, meet with our local staff and drive to Kumai Town (mini
hinterland), get on board and cruise to Tanjung Harapan the place of
Orangutan Rehabilitation centre. Overnight will be on board, Luncheon
and dinner will be served on Kelotok (a motorized wooden boat)

Day 07: Tanjung Harapan Park - Camp Leakey - Boat (B.L.D)
Morning breakfast on board, from Tanjung Harapan cruise the river by
Kelotok for about 2 1/2 hours to Camp Leakey where the older Orangutans
are reintroduced into the rain forest and also known as research
center for Orangutan. Soft trekking around Camp Leakey and then back
to the boat for lunch then back to Camp Leakey forest to see
orangutans feeding, and back to the boat, proceed down to Pondok
Tanggui, on the way back to Pondok Tanggui you will see the Proboscis
Monkeys a long the Seikonyer river. Dinner, and overnight on board.

Day 08: Pondok Tanggui - Jungle Trekking - Pesalat Re-plantation Camp
(B.L.D)
Morning breakfast on board, commence the full day trekking where you
will passing the national park with vary of tropical flora and fauna
and if you are lucky you will see the wild of orangutan and other
animal such as Sun bear, honey bear, orchids, pitcher plants (know by
local as kondom flower) and many more... When arrive at Pesalat
Replantation Camp, we stand the tend and overnight in the deep of
Kalimantan Jungle.
Noted, in morning time the Gibbons will wake you up as their welcome
to you.

Day 09: Pesalat re-plantation Camping Site - Seikonyer Village (B.L.D)
Camping breakfast, and preparing to leave the Pesalat camp site to
Seikonyer village. Commence walking to Pesalat Jetty and get on board
to Seikonyer Village, upon arrival in Seikonyer village and check in
to Home Stay Seikonyer. Here you will be involved by villager about
the local community daily life and you will also see the local make
the art things such as orangutan statues special made from iron wood.
You will also have a chance to have new worldwide friends. Before dark
time the local will be performed a Batimung (a kind of local sauna and
spa treatment with special of Kalimantan cosmetic made from local
herbs). After clean and tidy you will present farewell dinner
performance with Batirik (a Seikonyer traditional dance) where you
will be invited to join the dance together.

Day 10: Home Stay Seikonyer - Kumai Town - Pangkalan Bun Airport -
Jakarta (B)
Morning breakfast at Home Stay Seikonyer, check out and transferred to
Kumai and Pangkalan Bun airport for your fly home via Jakarta.

End of Program.

Prices: On Request

How to get the Island?

1. For direct international flight, we recommend to use SILK AIR via
Singapore or Merpati Airline via Kuala Lumpur.
2. For domestic flight you can reach Lombok island via Jakarta,
Yogyakarta, Surabaya, Denpasar Bali.

If you hard to reach the air ticket to Lombok, please contact us for
help.

INCLUDING:

· Local Guide
· River transportation called wooden boat KELOTOK 12M length - 4M
width
· Speed boat
· 2 nights accommodation on boat
· 2 Nights Senggigi Hotel
· 2 Nights Hati Suci Lodge
· 1 Nights Yogyakarta Hotel
· 1 night in the tent park jungle
· 1 night in home stay at the village around the park
· Police permit copy of the first page of passport and visa are
required
· Entrance fee/park permit
· Full boards meals during the trip Breakfast 4x, Lunch 4x, Dinner 4x)
· Fruit
· Mineral water aqua
· Soft drink
· Camps Cooking
· Snack
· Borneo Ancient Spa " Batimung "
· Tea/coffee
· Local porter who really knows about the trees and some herb for anti-
malaria
· Donation for The NGO (Forest Restoration)
· Tipping for the conservation workers (who re-plant the trees etc)

EXCLUDING:

· Airfare
· Local Insurance
· Laundry
· Health services
· Alcoholic Beverage
· Other personal expenses

For further information, please kindly contact us for more detail.

Many thanks for your kind attention and support.
Looking forward to do a camping together with you in near future
God bless you all

Have a great day...
My Best Regards,

L. Herwia A
Email: herwia79@gmail.com
http://www.korindo-network.com

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TOPIC: Frugal catalog case?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/eba96473cc85fcec?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 5:29 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <bjdfh398rtjmpa6854oi17ut2hftcu3ggb@4ax.com>, me@privacy.net
wrote:

> I'm a full time student....carry big books to class
>
> I've tried the backpack route but its really hard on my
> expensive books as they flop around in the odd shaped
> backpack a lot..... lots of wear on books
>
> I've decide a catalog case or even big laptop case
> would work better since its rectangular shaped.... like
> the books. I even think a catalog case makes more
> sense..... since in essence thick books are like thick
> 'catalogs".
>
> any advice on decent brands catalog cases? Id prefer
> ballistic nylon over leather as its lighter in weight.

Why don't you check local thrift stores to see what they have?

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TOPIC: free search engine?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/db0014d235679823?hl=en
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Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 5:55 pm
From: Logan Shaw

J. Davidson wrote:
> pepita@prodigy.net <scrapquilter@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1192662960.647339.323560@t8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>> On Oct 17, 5:49 pm, "J. Davidson" <fredjacquel...@bellsouth.net>
>> wrote:

>>> Are there any search engines which are free anymore?

>> Google and Yahoo are free. Ask.com is free, etc. etc. etc. Which
>> ones AREN'T free?

> I was looking for a person, and using zabasearch.com. If I remember right
> there is a cost to it, to find out more than name.

I went to zabasearch.com and it wants you to enter a name, so "find out more
than name" doesn't make that much sense to me. How do you find out the name
if that's what you're starting with?

At any rate, I'm going to guess what you're trying to do is start with a
person's name and find contact information (phone number or street address)
for that person. If that's what you're trying to do, you could try
http://www.anywho.com/ . They also have an option to let you put in a
phone number and find the name and street address of the person (or
business).

- Logan

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TOPIC: For those who rarely fill their refrigerators.....
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Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 6:04 pm
From: Logan Shaw

AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
> "E Z Peaces" <cash@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ff5m4t$j74$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Jeff wrote:
>>
>>> Could be, but I think the start up surge is a small compared to the run
>>> time. I remember when we discussed fluorescent starting surge that
>>> another urban myth of leaving fluorescent lights on saved money was
>>> debunked.
>> Ann Landers once settled the controversy by ruling that it's more
>> economical to leave your lights on if you don't plan to be gone more than
>> four hours. She said that's the final word on the subject.
>
> i don't know about ann, but i thought it was 30 mins.

I doubt it's that high. More like 30 seconds (or even 3 seconds) if you're
talking purely about the break-even point with energy usage.

Basically, imagine you have a 100W light bulb. If it draws extra power
for the first 1 second it's on, and if it draws so much extra power that
it would take 30 minutes of regular usage to equal that, then it would
have to be drawing 30 * 60 * 100W or 180000W during that first second.
And that amount of power would vaporize the wires.

You can take into account the cost of replacing a light bulb as well.
That's a little more, but since bulbs are something like 50 cents, and
can be switched off and on hundreds of times, that doesn't add up to
30 minutes either. Let's say the bulb can be switched off and on 500
times. Then it costs 0.1 cents to turn it off and on. If a kilowatt-hour
of electricity costs 10 cents, you only need to save 0.01 kilowatt-hours
to make up that 0.1 cents of wear and tear on the bulb. And a 100W bulb
will use that much power in 6 minutes. And you can probably switch a
bulb off and on more than 500 times.

The math might be a little different for fluorescent bulbs (both compact
fluorescent and traditional) since the bulbs cost more, use less energy,
and might not be able to stand as many off/on cycles. But I still would
be surprised if it's worth leaving them on for 30 minutes.

- Logan

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 8:27 pm
From: Jeff

Logan Shaw wrote:

> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>
>> "E Z Peaces" <cash@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:ff5m4t$j74$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>
>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>
>>>> Could be, but I think the start up surge is a small compared to
>>>> the run time. I remember when we discussed fluorescent starting
>>>> surge that another urban myth of leaving fluorescent lights on saved
>>>> money was debunked.
>>>
>>> Ann Landers once settled the controversy by ruling that it's more
>>> economical to leave your lights on if you don't plan to be gone more
>>> than four hours. She said that's the final word on the subject.
>>
>>
>> i don't know about ann, but i thought it was 30 mins.
>
>
> I doubt it's that high. More like 30 seconds (or even 3 seconds) if you're
> talking purely about the break-even point with energy usage.

It's in the low to single seconds. Every flicker is an additional turn
on surge (if you have fluorescents that blink for a while), but you
don't want that. And every turn on wears the bulb a bit, I think it was
in the low minute range. Anyhow, Don K, covered this rather completely
some months back if you want to google it, or search Dons site.

In general, just turn it off.
>
> Basically, imagine you have a 100W light bulb. If it draws extra power
> for the first 1 second it's on, and if it draws so much extra power that
> it would take 30 minutes of regular usage to equal that, then it would
> have to be drawing 30 * 60 * 100W or 180000W during that first second.
> And that amount of power would vaporize the wires.

Nicely put.

Jeff
>
> You can take into account the cost of replacing a light bulb as well.
> That's a little more, but since bulbs are something like 50 cents, and
> can be switched off and on hundreds of times, that doesn't add up to
> 30 minutes either. Let's say the bulb can be switched off and on 500
> times. Then it costs 0.1 cents to turn it off and on. If a kilowatt-hour
> of electricity costs 10 cents, you only need to save 0.01 kilowatt-hours
> to make up that 0.1 cents of wear and tear on the bulb. And a 100W bulb
> will use that much power in 6 minutes. And you can probably switch a
> bulb off and on more than 500 times.
>
> The math might be a little different for fluorescent bulbs (both compact
> fluorescent and traditional) since the bulbs cost more, use less energy,
> and might not be able to stand as many off/on cycles. But I still would
> be surprised if it's worth leaving them on for 30 minutes.
>
> - Logan

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TOPIC: What are you planning for Sweetest Day this Saturday?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/045f914110927a39?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 6:59 pm
From: "Ben Jackson"

"OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote in message news:ff7b23$30r$1@aioe.org...
> >You may very well be right about Texas being in the top 10, but I
> >suspect that that's like saying that >Louisiana is one of the top five
> >states in the country for >"Talk Like A Pirate Day" -- it just doesn't
> >mean very
>> >much.
>
> Well, it means that the holiday is spreading, and that's good enough for
> me.

Since you snipped that part of my post, let me repeat again: I've lived in
Texas for a number of years and never heard of it before this. In addition,
I have more contact than most (both in the neighborhood where I live and
where I work) with people from out-of-state and I'm pretty well-read, but
I've never heard of "Sweetest Day" before. If it's spreading at all, it must
be doing so at roughly the speed of molasses in winter.

> I'm glad to know that something I'm used to here in Ohio will be quite
> common across the entire country by the time my kids are adults.

Ok, up to this point I've been trying to disagree with you respectfully, but
after reading the above I'm laughing at you. Not with you -- at you.

>>It's really a shame that what may have started out as a >day for doing
>>something nice for the less fortunate has >been turned into another
>>excuse for crass >commercialism.
>
> It's only "crass commercialism" if you're the head of a company selling
> candy, or if you're a cynic. If you're a romantic, you like buying your
> wife's favorite candy for her, and you like writing poems for her, then
> it's another great excuse to do a little something to make her happy.

You also conveniently snipped the part where I asked why you need a
"holiday" to show your appreciation to someone you care about. If your
calendar said that tomorrow were "Send Everything To Ben Jackson Day" then
would you? If not, why do you change your behavior for what is apparently no
more than a pathetic, region-specific ripoff of Valentine's Day, which is
itself a second-tier holiday?

> Why try to take the fun out of it for those of us who enjoy it?
> That's like going around putting down Thanksgiving just because some folks
> gorge themselves, and don't really get much of the original meaning from
> it.

If anything I wrote in that post takes the fun out of it for you then I'd
say that your enjoyment of that dubious holiday was already hanging by a
thread.

> Besides, if you want to, you can always go buy some candy and hand it out
> to homeless folks Saturday. That would celebrate the original meaning
> better.

That might have been the right way to celebrate it back in 1921, but given
the commercial nature of your "holiday" it appears that if I really want to
get into the spirit of things it would be more appropriate to buy some candy
and eat it myself.

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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 7:09 pm
From: "Jerry Okamura"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5nnp5kFj851aU1@mid.individual.net...
> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>> Thanatos <atropos@mac.com> wrote
>>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>>> Thanatos <atropos@mac.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Thanatos <atropos@mac.com> wrote
>
>>>>>>>>> But they have to do it according to established law. They can't
>>>>>>>>> (legally) just pass a law declaring something to be illegal and
>>>>>>>>> then ignore it.
>
>>>>>>>> They are the ones who make the laws.
>
>>>>>>> And they also have to abide by them.
>
>>>>>> Not really.
>
>>>>> Yes really.
>
>>>> If everyone abided by the law, you would not need laws.
>
>>> Irrelevant to what is being discussed there, the LAWMAKERS needing to
>>> abide by them.
>
>> That would be nice if they did. But of course we all know they do not.
>
> Those that dont get dealt with the same way that everyone else does.
>

Like William Jefferson you mean?

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 7:12 pm
From: "Jerry Okamura"

"Thanatos" <atropos@mac.com> wrote in message
news:atropos-F87974.23305417102007@news.giganews.com...
> In article <4716a56b$0$15422$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> "Thanatos" <atropos@mac.com> wrote in message
>> news:atropos-7D7B60.17454217102007@news.giganews.com...
>
>> > Your logic is not our earth logic. When legislators
>> > break the law, they get arrested just like anyone else.
>> > Does the name Larry Craig ring a bell?
>
>> Only if they get caught, and only if when caught they are
>> bought to justice.
>
> Which can be said of everyone. You're talking in circles again. First
> you claim that lawmakers belong to some protected class that's above the
> law, then when it's pointed out that they get arrested just like
> everyone else, you say "Only if they get caught!"-- which is true of
> everyone, lawmaker or not. How many regular citizens get arrested,
> prosecuted and/or imprisoned without being caught first?

I never said that lawmakers are above the law. As for the last part of your
response, that is exactly the point I was making.
>
>> Remember Willaim Jefferson?
>
> Yeah, he's been indicted, sparky.

I stand corrected.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 7:14 pm
From: "Jerry Okamura"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5nnpenFj8jupU1@mid.individual.net...
> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But any market reform in Mexico would be better than what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they have now.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wouldnt fix the problem. NAFTA had no effect on the number of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> illegals.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> First of all the comment was "any market reform in
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mexico...", it did not even mention NAFTA.
>
>>>>>>>>>>> Its a similar economic change.
>
>>>>>>>>>> Why is it "similar"?
>
>>>>>>>>> Because its another way of getting economic change.
>
>>>>>>>> Ageed
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Second, while it is true that NAFTA will not fix the problem
>>>>>>>>>>>> (it is not intended to fix the problem), are you going to
>>>>>>>>>>>> argue that it won't "help"?
>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, that while it may well help the economic situation in
>>>>>>>>>>> Mexico, that wont have any effect on the number that still
>>>>>>>>>>> decide that their prospects are much better in the US than
>>>>>>>>>>> back in Mexico.
>
>>>>>>>> Agreed again, but it helps....
>
>>>>>>> Not with what is being discussed, the number of illegals from
>>>>>>> Mexico.
>
>>>>>>>>>> Huh? Does it provide jobs for some in Mexico that they would
>>>>>>>>>> not otherwise have,
>
>>>>>>>>> Thats arguable given that china manages fine without that.
>
>>>>>>>> huh?
>
>>>>>>> China doesnt have anything like NAFTA with the US and
>>>>>>> has plenty of jobs in areas that export to the US anyway.
>
>>>>>>>>>> and doesn't that provide them with the incentive not to enter
>>>>>>>>>> this country illegally?
>
>>>>>>>>> Nope, because work in those operations that do benefit from
>>>>>>>>> NAFTA still provides them with much worse living standards
>>>>>>>>> than moving to the US does.
>
>>>>>>>> so?
>
>>>>>>> So your line about improving the economic situation in Mexico
>>>>>>> wont actually have any effect on the number of illegals choosing
>>>>>>> to move to the US, essentially because whatever is done in
>>>>>>> Mexico will STILL see them with much worse living standards in
>>>>>>> mexico than in the US.
>
>>>>>>>> Does it or does it not convince some that they prefer to stay in
>>>>>>>> Mexico rather than enter this country illegally?
>
>>>>>>> Nope, wont make any difference to that, essentially because
>>>>>>> working conditions in mexico are so much worse than in the
>>>>>>> US even if jobs are made available for them in mexico.
>
>>>>>> then why aren't more of them here?
>
>>>>> Because the US makes it hard for mexicans to just move to the US.
>
>>>> that sure has worked hasn't it?
>
>>> Have you the remotest concept of how many there would have been if any
>>> south american that wanted to move to the US was free to do so ?
>
>>> In spades with the rest of the world.
>
>> Well yes. But my argument is they would not want to come here in
>> droves, if they could make a decent living in the country of their birth.
>
> Pity that no one has managed to work out how to produce the same
> living standards in those countrys as there are in the US to stop hordes
> deciding that their economic situation would be much better in the US.
>
Yes. But that does not stop us from complaining about the problem...and not
how to really solve the problem.....

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 7:18 pm
From: "Jerry Okamura"

"Rick" <videojockey1a@yahoo.comzzzz> wrote in message
news:h4ydnYn2M_rWuoranZ2dnUVZ_r2nnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:4711576a$0$25686$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>> "Rick" <videojockey1a@yahoo.comzzzz> wrote in message
>> news:F82dnVJdVPWTgYzanZ2dnUVZ_tWtnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>
>>> "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> news:470bd495$0$11082$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>> This is getting to be silly. There are some, what, 40 million of them
>>>> in this country as we speak. What percentage of them are picking
>>>> crops? Why complain about a problem, if you have no solution to the
>>>> problem? What is your solution to the problem? I am willing to bet
>>>> whatever "solution" you propose, I can poke holes into your "solution"
>>>> of why it won't work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "RuleOfLaw" <miltonez@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1191906246.966265.44310@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On Oct 4, 6:06 am, cloud dreamer <Global_Warm...@is.real> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Funny how guys like Bill will whine over illegal immigrants but is
>>>>>> happy
>>>>>> to buy cheap strawberries made possible only by their labour. I doubt
>>>>>> he'd be willing to bend over and pick in the hot sun for their wages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Enonomists have thoroughly exploded the myth of "cheap
>>>>> strawberries" (or is "cheap lettuce" more your hollow cliche of
>>>>> choice?)
>>>>>
>>>>> First of all, the use of illegal alien laborAT MOST reduces produce
>>>>> prices a few cents per pound.
>>>>>
>>>>> Secondly, the citizen taxpayers pay ENORMOUS amounts of money (and
>>>>> sometimes with their very lives) to harbor this "cheap" illegal alien
>>>>> labor. Right nos MY local hospital is CLOSING due to illegal aliens
>>>>> bankrupting it!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thirdly, it's been convincingly argued that the presence of illegal
>>>>> aliens actually HINDERS growers' introduction of what would be LABOR-
>>>>> SAVING automation which would TRULY LOWER prices. With so many
>>>>> illegals around growers have little reason to further automate.
>>>>>
>>> Well for one none of them have a legal Social Security Card. You want a
>>> job get a legal SSC. If you don't no employment from any business in the
>>> United States and no Welfare either with out a SSC.
>>>
>>
>> Did you read about what is actually happening. We now require employers
>> to give the Social Security Administration the social security number of
>> ANY new employee. If the Social Security Administration find no match,
>> they advise the employer. But they have no authority to do anything "if"
>> the employer does nothing about the notification. When there is a no
>> match, the Social Securitu Administration sends that information to the
>> Homeland Security people, who have no law enforcement ability. So, what
>> good does the whole thing do?
>
> You just have to vote the right people into office that's all.
> And 9 times out of 10 you usually have to vote the RIGHT person in.
>

Nice sentitiments, but the problem is, we do not elect the "right" people
because regardless of who is elected, the other side will have a good
argument why they are not the "right" people, and they will most likely be
partially or totally correct....it just depends on the definition of
"right".

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 7:20 pm
From: "Jerry Okamura"

"Rick" <videojockey1a@yahoo.comzzzz> wrote in message
news:FdWdnZ9XYpNFu4ranZ2dnUVZ_remnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:471157b7$0$32526$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:5ncme0Fhls8jU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Rick <videojockey1a@yahoo.comzzzz> wrote:
>>>> "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:470bd495$0$11082$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>> This is getting to be silly. There are some, what, 40 million of
>>>>> them in this country as we speak. What percentage of them are
>>>>> picking crops? Why complain about a problem, if you have no
>>>>> solution to the problem? What is your solution to the problem? I
>>>>> am willing to bet whatever "solution" you propose, I can poke holes
>>>>> into your "solution" of why it won't work. "RuleOfLaw"
>>>>> <miltonez@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1191906246.966265.44310@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> On Oct 4, 6:06 am, cloud dreamer <Global_Warm...@is.real> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Funny how guys like Bill will whine over illegal immigrants but is
>>>>>>> happy to buy cheap strawberries made possible only by their
>>>>>>> labour. I doubt he'd be willing to bend over and pick in the hot
>>>>>>> sun for their wages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Enonomists have thoroughly exploded the myth of "cheap
>>>>>> strawberries" (or is "cheap lettuce" more your hollow cliche of
>>>>>> choice?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First of all, the use of illegal alien laborAT MOST reduces produce
>>>>>> prices a few cents per pound.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Secondly, the citizen taxpayers pay ENORMOUS amounts of money (and
>>>>>> sometimes with their very lives) to harbor this "cheap" illegal
>>>>>> alien labor. Right nos MY local hospital is CLOSING due to illegal
>>>>>> aliens bankrupting it!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thirdly, it's been convincingly argued that the presence of illegal
>>>>>> aliens actually HINDERS growers' introduction of what would be
>>>>>> LABOR- SAVING automation which would TRULY LOWER prices. With so
>>>>>> many illegals around growers have little reason to further automate.
>>>>>>
>>>> Well for one none of them have a legal Social Security Card. You want
>>>> a job get a legal SSC. If you don't no employment from any business
>>>> in the United States and no Welfare either with out a SSC.
>>>
>>> They'd just get a SSC, just like they get fake passports.
>>>
>>
>> I did not think of that. Get a fake passport and present that as proof
>> of citizenship. I wonder if that would work?
>
> All depends on how big the bribe is. How much does a corrupt official cost
> now adays.
>

I do not think you have to "corrupt" anyone. Think of it this way. The
employer asks for proof of legal residency. You present him with such proof
by showing a passport. If it is a really good forgery, how is the employer
going to know that it is a fake passport?

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 7:26 pm
From: "Jerry Okamura"

"Rick" <videojockey1a@yahoo.comzzzz> wrote in message
news:_pCdnUZF38lKuIranZ2dnUVZ_qainZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5ncme0Fhls8jU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Rick <videojockey1a@yahoo.comzzzz> wrote:
>>> "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> news:470bd495$0$11082$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>> This is getting to be silly. There are some, what, 40 million of
>>>> them in this country as we speak. What percentage of them are
>>>> picking crops? Why complain about a problem, if you have no
>>>> solution to the problem? What is your solution to the problem? I
>>>> am willing to bet whatever "solution" you propose, I can poke holes
>>>> into your "solution" of why it won't work. "RuleOfLaw"
>>>> <miltonez@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1191906246.966265.44310@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On Oct 4, 6:06 am, cloud dreamer <Global_Warm...@is.real> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Funny how guys like Bill will whine over illegal immigrants but is
>>>>>> happy to buy cheap strawberries made possible only by their
>>>>>> labour. I doubt he'd be willing to bend over and pick in the hot
>>>>>> sun for their wages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Enonomists have thoroughly exploded the myth of "cheap
>>>>> strawberries" (or is "cheap lettuce" more your hollow cliche of
>>>>> choice?)
>>>>>
>>>>> First of all, the use of illegal alien laborAT MOST reduces produce
>>>>> prices a few cents per pound.
>>>>>
>>>>> Secondly, the citizen taxpayers pay ENORMOUS amounts of money (and
>>>>> sometimes with their very lives) to harbor this "cheap" illegal
>>>>> alien labor. Right nos MY local hospital is CLOSING due to illegal
>>>>> aliens bankrupting it!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thirdly, it's been convincingly argued that the presence of illegal
>>>>> aliens actually HINDERS growers' introduction of what would be
>>>>> LABOR- SAVING automation which would TRULY LOWER prices. With so
>>>>> many illegals around growers have little reason to further automate.
>>>>>
>>> Well for one none of them have a legal Social Security Card. You want
>>> a job get a legal SSC. If you don't no employment from any business
>>> in the United States and no Welfare either with out a SSC.
>
> You can always have the SS administration check them out first to see if
> theirs are legitimate. Which I always thought they did I mean what do they
> do in washington all day.
>>
They do now. Employers have to submitt their social security number for
every new employee they hire (they apparently don't have to do that for
employees that already work for them). If there is no match, they send the
employer a "no match" letter. But as I understand the problem, the employer
does not have to do a thing when they receive such a letter, because the
Social Security Administration has no law enforcement authority to go after
the employer. That is the responsibility of the Homeland Security
Department, who the Social Security Adminstration is required to inform of
such "no matches". But from what I understand about this Catch 22 situation
the Homeland Seucrity Department also cannot do a darn thing, even though
they do have the law enforcement responsibility...ain't government grand????

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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 9:58 am
From: me@privacy.net

>The better cellphones have an independant reminder system.

Agree

>And I find I need a pretty sophisticated reminder system
>myself, particularly with the more unusual recurrences like
>just week days and not weekend days, first monday in the
>month every second month etc. I need something with the
>power of Outlook on that and emails and sms doesnt have that.

I was thinking of using Google calendar for this.... it
can send reminders via sms (to your phone).... that way
can use any cheap phone

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 11:33 am
From: me@privacy.net

>My data plan just involves payment for the data
>I actually use, no fixed charge per month involved.

has the pay-as-you-go system worked pretty well for
data?

I would think that data would be one area where you
might NOT want pay as you go. No?

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 12:18 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

me@privacy.net wrote:

>> The better cellphones have an independant reminder system.

> Agree

>> And I find I need a pretty sophisticated reminder system
>> myself, particularly with the more unusual recurrences like
>> just week days and not weekend days, first monday in the
>> month every second month etc. I need something with the
>> power of Outlook on that and emails and sms doesnt have that.

> I was thinking of using Google calendar for this....

Yeah, it should be quite adequate with the proviso that SMS
reliability isnt guaranteed like the reminder in the phone is.

> it can send reminders via sms (to your phone)....
> that way can use any cheap phone

I no longer need to be able to use a cheap phone, in fact I need a
fairly decent phone so I can use google maps on the odd occasion
that the GPS cant find a new street in my town for garage sales etc.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 12:19 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

me@privacy.net wrote:

>> My data plan just involves payment for the data
>> I actually use, no fixed charge per month involved.

> has the pay-as-you-go system worked pretty well for data?

Yeah, perfect.

> I would think that data would be one area
> where you might NOT want pay as you go. No?

I use it very selectively, bearing in mind what its costing.
I dont use it enough to be able to justify the $30/month
class fixed costs for data.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 12:36 pm
From: me@privacy.net

>> it can send reminders via sms (to your phone)....
>> that way can use any cheap phone
>
>I no longer need to be able to use a cheap phone, in fact I need a
>fairly decent phone so I can use google maps on the odd occasion
>that the GPS cant find a new street in my town for garage sales etc.

OK...what brand/model phone you using now days?

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 1:29 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

me@privacy.net wrote:
>>> it can send reminders via sms (to your phone)....
>>> that way can use any cheap phone

>> I no longer need to be able to use a cheap phone, in fact I need a
>> fairly decent phone so I can use google maps on the odd occasion
>> that the GPS cant find a new street in my town for garage sales etc.
>
> OK...what brand/model phone you using now days?

Nokia, about to change to an N95 but I keep looking at the price and havent actually done that yet.

The damned thing costs about the same as a cheap laptop
and I keep looking at that and shaking my head at the price.

Bit silly really given that I am rolling in it and the price is irrelevant.

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 10:25 am
From: yassahmassa

In article <TL6dnR69KeqYuYranZ2dnUVZ_t-gnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Rick" <videojockey1a@yahoo.comzzzz> wrote:

> Where's the fence?

Gobachev tore it down you fucking commie

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 11:57 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Rick <videojockey1a@yahoo.comzzzz> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Don <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote
>>> Jerry Okamura wrote

>>>> Tell me "who" is serious about solving the illegal immigration problem.

>>> Can you accurately describe the problem?

>> Yep, that there are illegals in the country who arent allowed to be there.

>>> You see, in order to solve a problem you must first define it precisely.

>> Depends on the problem, that isnt necessary with most problems.

>>> Its not possible to solve an undefined problem.

>> Wrong again, some problems fix themselves. One obvious example of that is people having too many kids. Thats fixes
>> itself in all modern first world countrys without any public policy, let alone actually defining the problem.

> They're bankrupting out hospitals for one and over crowding our prisons for another and ripping of the American
> taxpayer.

Irrelevant to what was being discussed, whether only defined problems can be fixed.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 10:56 am
From: Dennis

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:22:02 -0700, patrick <patm31751@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Hello; The std tuner/receivers for the dsh tv system (model #311/322)
>don't appear to have timer/channel programability function . In order
>to use the vcr for recording, you have to lleave the receier to one
>channel, set the vcr to that channel then program the vcr to record at
>a particular time. There's no program for time and channel change.
>Do any of the more intelligent universal remotes have the capability
>to enter all the stuff re the channel and time to change then trip
>the dishtv receiver to do the deed? That would keep the cost down a
>bit as it would keep me from buying the dvr that would allow that in
>addition to the monthly fee for the privelege of having a dvr! Thanks

I don't know about the newer models, but my older Dish receiver could
be set up to start and stop the VCR via a built-in IR blaster to
record satellite programs. I don't recall if it would change the
channel on the VCR.

Dennis (evil)
--
The honest man is the one who realizes that he cannot
consume more, in his lifetime, than he produces.

== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 11:49 am
From: me@privacy.net

>On Oct 17, 1:18 pm, m...@privacy.net wrote:
>> >A newer LCD computer monitor is superior for TV use but it usually
>> >costs more because of its higher resolution.
>
>> OK but a BIG LCD computer monitor..... one big enough
>> for TV watching form a distance.... is very expensive.
>
>The Apple 23" monitor lists for $900 and the 30" lists for $1800.
>
>It would be less expensive to buy a Sony HD LCD TV. But, if you need
>a computer anyway, why not forget the TV and just buy a HD tuner?

Well I WOULD just buy an HD tuner for a PC.... but need
a screen big enough to set back say 8 feet from. Given
that it appears a 30" computer monitor ONLY screen far
out costs a dedicated LCD HDTV. See what I mean?

I'd LOVE to have a computer only in my front room and
as a TV.....but the high monitor costs (in size I need)
keep me form doing it1

Am I missing something here?

Like I said..... I can buy a 32" Vizio LCD HDTV for abt
$500 from Costco..... but the 30" Apple monitor only
costs $1800!! How come??

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 12:23 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

me@privacy.net wrote:
>> On Oct 17, 1:18 pm, m...@privacy.net wrote:
>>>> A newer LCD computer monitor is superior for TV use but it usually
>>>> costs more because of its higher resolution.
>>
>>> OK but a BIG LCD computer monitor..... one big enough
>>> for TV watching form a distance.... is very expensive.
>>
>> The Apple 23" monitor lists for $900 and the 30" lists for $1800.
>>
>> It would be less expensive to buy a Sony HD LCD TV. But, if you need
>> a computer anyway, why not forget the TV and just buy a HD tuner?
>
> Well I WOULD just buy an HD tuner for a PC.... but need
> a screen big enough to set back say 8 feet from. Given
> that it appears a 30" computer monitor ONLY screen far
> out costs a dedicated LCD HDTV. See what I mean?
>
> I'd LOVE to have a computer only in my front room and
> as a TV.....but the high monitor costs (in size I need)
> keep me form doing it1
>
> Am I missing something here?
>
> Like I said..... I can buy a 32" Vizio LCD HDTV for abt
> $500 from Costco..... but the 30" Apple monitor only
> costs $1800!! How come??

Essentially because a computer monitor is harder to do
than a TV, the volume is much lower with 30" monitors,
and you are comparing apples and oranges brand wise too.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 12:28 pm
From: Dennis

On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:49:33 -0500, me@privacy.net wrote:

>>On Oct 17, 1:18 pm, m...@privacy.net wrote:
>>> >A newer LCD computer monitor is superior for TV use but it usually
>>> >costs more because of its higher resolution.
>>
>>> OK but a BIG LCD computer monitor..... one big enough
>>> for TV watching form a distance.... is very expensive.
>>
>>The Apple 23" monitor lists for $900 and the 30" lists for $1800.
>>
>>It would be less expensive to buy a Sony HD LCD TV. But, if you need
>>a computer anyway, why not forget the TV and just buy a HD tuner?
>
>Well I WOULD just buy an HD tuner for a PC.... but need
>a screen big enough to set back say 8 feet from. Given
>that it appears a 30" computer monitor ONLY screen far
>out costs a dedicated LCD HDTV. See what I mean?
>
>I'd LOVE to have a computer only in my front room and
>as a TV.....but the high monitor costs (in size I need)
>keep me form doing it1

IMO, a 20" screen is perfectly comfortable for watching TV at 8 feet.
Why do you think you need a bigger screen? Or is it that you just
_want_ a bigger screen?

>Am I missing something here?
>
>Like I said..... I can buy a 32" Vizio LCD HDTV for abt
>$500 from Costco..... but the 30" Apple monitor only
>costs $1800!! How come??

Higher resolution on the Apple, plus a premium for the brand name.

Dennis (evil)
--
The honest man is the one who realizes that he cannot
consume more, in his lifetime, than he produces.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 1:11 pm
From: me@privacy.net

>IMO, a 20" screen is perfectly comfortable for watching TV at 8 feet.
>Why do you think you need a bigger screen? Or is it that you just
>_want_ a bigger screen?

Could be.... that I just assumed I needed bigger

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 1:31 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

me@privacy.net wrote:
>> IMO, a 20" screen is perfectly comfortable for watching TV at 8 feet.
>> Why do you think you need a bigger screen? Or is it that you just
>> _want_ a bigger screen?
>
> Could be.... that I just assumed I needed bigger

You dont need it, but I havent regretted the 35" widescreen HDTV at that distance.

I'd never return to those smaller screens again and I did have a 20" previously.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 12:10 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

me@privacy.net wrote:

>> The NiCad is widely used for power tools. It's safe, simple, and the
>> longest lasting. It thrives on fast charges and fast discharges.
>> NiMH his a higher power density but won't tolerate fast charges as
>> well. More can go wrong with charging and the self-discharge is faster.

>> Li-Ion are expensive for a given capacity. The available current is
>> limited because high current can cause them to catch fire.

> So bottom line Ni-Cad still has the edge for current delivery?

Yep, thats why they are still available even tho they have other downsides.

== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 12:12 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

me@privacy.net wrote:

>>> OK but do you use say a queen sheet (oversized) on bottom ONLY?

>> Nope.

>>> Sill use a regular size full sheet for the top?

>> Nope, the extra tuck in is useful for the top too.

> Ahh...so Rod you use Queen sheets for BOTH
> top and bottom even on full size mattress. yes?

Yep, so there is more to tuck in and so it stays tucked in much longer than the 'correct' size.

I have toyed with the idea of making my own fitted bottom sheet with a better mechanism
for staying on the matress, but havent gotten around to doing anything yet.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 12:20 pm
From: me@privacy.net

>me@privacy.net wrote:
>
>>>> OK but do you use say a queen sheet (oversized) on bottom ONLY?
>
>>> Nope.
>
>>>> Sill use a regular size full sheet for the top?
>
>>> Nope, the extra tuck in is useful for the top too.
>
>> Ahh...so Rod you use Queen sheets for BOTH
>> top and bottom even on full size mattress. yes?
>
>Yep, so there is more to tuck in and so it stays tucked in much longer than the 'correct' size.
>
>I have toyed with the idea of making my own fitted bottom sheet with a better mechanism
>for staying on the matress, but havent gotten around to doing anything yet.
>

OK..what abt the idea of just eliminating a top sheet
all together and using only a comforter over top of
you?

I've read abt others doing that. Means you only need
one sheet per bed. Some even put the comforter in a
removable cover that will protect it form body oils and
lets you remove and wash separately.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 1:02 pm
From: "Evelyn C. Leeper"

me@privacy.net wrote:
>> me@privacy.net wrote:
>>
>>>>> OK but do you use say a queen sheet (oversized) on bottom ONLY?
>>>> Nope.
>>>>> Sill use a regular size full sheet for the top?
>>>> Nope, the extra tuck in is useful for the top too.
>>> Ahh...so Rod you use Queen sheets for BOTH
>>> top and bottom even on full size mattress. yes?
>> Yep, so there is more to tuck in and so it stays tucked in much longer than the 'correct' size.
>>
>> I have toyed with the idea of making my own fitted bottom sheet with a better mechanism
>> for staying on the matress, but havent gotten around to doing anything yet.
>>
>
> OK..what abt the idea of just eliminating a top sheet
> all together and using only a comforter over top of
> you?
>
> I've read abt others doing that. Means you only need
> one sheet per bed. Some even put the comforter in a
> removable cover that will protect it form body oils and
> lets you remove and wash separately.

Unfortunately, comforter covers seem to be outrageously expensive for
what you get. Frugally speaking, using a top sheet is much cheaper.

And one reason for buying top and bottom sheets the same size is that
it's a lot easier to make the bed if you don't have to figure out which
of two identical-looking sheets is the bottom one and which the top.

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
He who knows only his own side of the case
knows little of that. -John Stuart Mill

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 1:14 pm
From: "Chloe"

<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:bccfh3tdpq2r579qm4j7r5khef0nae5ku7@4ax.com...
> >me@privacy.net wrote:
>
> OK..what abt the idea of just eliminating a top sheet
> all together and using only a comforter over top of
> you?
>
> I've read abt others doing that. Means you only need
> one sheet per bed. Some even put the comforter in a
> removable cover that will protect it form body oils and
> lets you remove and wash separately.

You either end up washing the comforter frequently--a huge hassle--or having
to wrestle the thing back into its cover every time you need to launder the
bedding. I tried the duvet cover route and found it a lot more trouble than
just putting on a top sheet.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 1:26 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

me@privacy.net wrote:
>> me@privacy.net wrote:
>>
>>>>> OK but do you use say a queen sheet (oversized) on bottom ONLY?
>>
>>>> Nope.
>>
>>>>> Sill use a regular size full sheet for the top?
>>
>>>> Nope, the extra tuck in is useful for the top too.
>>
>>> Ahh...so Rod you use Queen sheets for BOTH
>>> top and bottom even on full size mattress. yes?
>>
>> Yep, so there is more to tuck in and so it stays tucked in much
>> longer than the 'correct' size.
>>
>> I have toyed with the idea of making my own fitted bottom sheet with
>> a better mechanism
>> for staying on the matress, but havent gotten around to doing
>> anything yet.

> OK..what abt the idea of just eliminating a top sheet all
> together and using only a comforter over top of you?

I prefer to have more variability in the top cover with the weather.

> I've read abt others doing that. Means you only need
> one sheet per bed. Some even put the comforter in a
> removable cover that will protect it form body oils and
> lets you remove and wash separately.

Sure, that will certainly work mechanically, but IMO
doesnt allow enough variability with the weather.

And in the hottest weather I dont even use the top sheet,
and use the top sheet when its a little cooler than that.
And then add a blanket when its a bit cooler again etc.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 1:27 pm
From: me@privacy.net

> I tried the duvet cover route and found it a lot more trouble than
>just putting on a top sheet.

Point taken

Thanks!

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 12:23 pm
From: "J. Davidson"

pepita@prodigy.net <scrapquilter@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1192662960.647339.323560@t8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 17, 5:49 pm, "J. Davidson" <fredjacquel...@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
> > Are there any search engines which are free anymore?
> > Jackie
>
> Google and Yahoo are free. Ask.com is free, etc. etc. etc. Which
> ones AREN'T free?
>

I was looking for a person, and using zabasearch.com. If I remember right
there is a cost to it, to find out more than name. I will try the others,
thanks.
Jackie

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 12:42 pm
From: me@privacy.net

I'm a full time student....carry big books to class

I've tried the backpack route but its really hard on my
expensive books as they flop around in the odd shaped
backpack a lot..... lots of wear on books

I've decide a catalog case or even big laptop case
would work better since its rectangular shaped.... like
the books. I even think a catalog case makes more
sense..... since in essence thick books are like thick
'catalogs".

any advice on decent brands catalog cases? Id prefer
ballistic nylon over leather as its lighter in weight.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 1:06 pm
From: "Evelyn C. Leeper"

me@privacy.net wrote:
> I'm a full time student....carry big books to class
>
> I've tried the backpack route but its really hard on my
> expensive books as they flop around in the odd shaped
> backpack a lot..... lots of wear on books
>
> I've decide a catalog case or even big laptop case
> would work better since its rectangular shaped.... like
> the books. I even think a catalog case makes more
> sense..... since in essence thick books are like thick
> 'catalogs".
>
> any advice on decent brands catalog cases? Id prefer
> ballistic nylon over leather as its lighter in weight.

Get a rectangular backpack. It is a *lot* easier to carry those heavy
books in a backpack than in a catalog case (unless you get a wheeled
one, and then you still have the stairs problem).

And bear in mind that those expensive books will have lost most of their
re-sale value by the end of the year anyway, because there will be new
editions out by then. :-)

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
He who knows only his own side of the case
knows little of that. -John Stuart Mill

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== 1 of 1 ==
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