Frugal Living: Sep 12, 2007

Wednesday, September 12, 2007

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 12 2007 12:31 am
From: joe

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 12 2007 12:45 am
From: George Grapman

logi12 wrote:
> I know this is slightly off topic, but I thought it might be a little
> helpful talking about money, loan payments etc. Unfortunately, I
> really needed a bit of cash so I used this site today for a
> paydayloan. Everything was fabulous, got my loan within a few hours.
> Check it out if you need a payday loan:
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>

Right. Give your Social Security,DOB< drivers license and checking
info to a site that has no contact info other than an email form and
uses a shill from hotmail.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 12 2007 12:50 am
From: George Grapman

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/alerts/pdayalrt.shtm

A cash advance loan secured by a personal check - such as a payday loan
- is very expensive credit. Let's say you write a personal check for
$115 to borrow $100 for up to 14 days. The check casher or payday lender
agrees to hold the check until your next payday. At that time, depending
on the particular plan, the lender deposits the check, you redeem the
check by paying the $115 in cash, or you roll-over the check by paying a
fee to extend the loan for another two weeks. In this example, the cost
of the initial loan is a $15 finance charge and 391 percent APR. If you
roll-over the loan three times, the finance charge would climb to $60 to
borrow $100.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 12 2007 6:33 am
From: James

On Sep 12, 3:50 am, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/alerts/pdayalrt.shtm
>
> y
>
> A cash advance loan secured by a personal check - such as a payday loan
> - is very expensive credit. Let's say you write a personal check for
> $115 to borrow $100 for up to 14 days. The check casher or payday lender
> agrees to hold the check until your next payday. At that time, depending
> on the particular plan, the lender deposits the check, you redeem the
> check by paying the $115 in cash, or you roll-over the check by paying a
> fee to extend the loan for another two weeks. In this example, the cost
> of the initial loan is a $15 finance charge and 391 percent APR. If you
> roll-over the loan three times, the finance charge would climb to $60 to
> borrow $100.

One of the most UNFRUGAL things to ever do. And about 8 years ago I
was desparate enough to do it. But smart enough now to never do it
again.

The interest rates are extremely high if you look at it on an annual
basis. So much so that the Canadian Government has been looking at
legislating them down.

It should really be the very last resort. I would sooner sell
something, or have a late mortgage payement than take one.

James

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 12 2007 1:09 am
From: Greggie Gibson

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in
news:5kpd3mF4r4k4U1@mid.individual.net:

> Greggie Gibson <Greggie_Gibson@noonecares.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rick <rickajho@rcn.com> wrote
>>>> PaPaPeng wrote
>
>>>>> Among the very few snacks I take is the hockey puck sized cans
>>>>> of Tuna in water. I have food sensitivities and can't eat canned
>>>>> fish in sauce or oil of any kind. I have been draining the water
>>>>> thus far and eat only the meat. It occured to me that since the
>>>>> flesh had been cooked and soaked in that water since canning the
>>>>> water would have a lot of protein in it. Throwing away that water
>>>>> seems wasteful. Is draining a common practice? Do you also
>>>>> eat/drink that water along with the meat?
>
>>>> Cat treat: if you have a cat. My guys go nuts when they get it.
>
>>> Doesnt work for the chinese, they have already eaten the cat.
>
>>>> The only other thing I can think of is turning into some kind
>>>> of fish stock, but I've never run across that being done yet.
>
>> I thought that's what they make export vegimite from
>
> Nope, that is made from illegal immigrants.
>
>
>

Wrong, illegal immigrants are made into kangaroo steaks

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 12 2007 2:35 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Greggie Gibson <Greggie_Gibson@noonecares.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Greggie Gibson <Greggie_Gibson@noonecares.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Rick <rickajho@rcn.com> wrote
>>>>> PaPaPeng wrote

>>>>>> Among the very few snacks I take is the hockey puck sized cans
>>>>>> of Tuna in water. I have food sensitivities and can't eat canned
>>>>>> fish in sauce or oil of any kind. I have been draining the water
>>>>>> thus far and eat only the meat. It occured to me that since the
>>>>>> flesh had been cooked and soaked in that water since canning the
>>>>>> water would have a lot of protein in it. Throwing away that
>>>>>> water seems wasteful. Is draining a common practice? Do you
>>>>>> also eat/drink that water along with the meat?

>>>>> Cat treat: if you have a cat. My guys go nuts when they get it.

>>>> Doesnt work for the chinese, they have already eaten the cat.

>>>>> The only other thing I can think of is turning into some kind
>>>>> of fish stock, but I've never run across that being done yet.

>>> I thought that's what they make export vegimite from

>> Nope, that is made from illegal immigrants.

> Wrong, illegal immigrants are made into kangaroo steaks

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.

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Date: Wed, Sep 12 2007 1:14 am
From: ati

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 12 2007 1:26 am
From: 045056@gmail.com

There has been, and probably always will be, endless debate over what
is a good wife. There is this article, supposedly from a May

1955 Housekeeping Monthly magazine, that speaks directly to this
question. There are other sources as well that speak on the issue.

One is from Aristotle, another is this one about "Do men really want a
wife like June Cleaver." They bring up some very good

points. It is one of those questions that heats up each side of the
debate and truly has a different answer for each man. What do

you want in a wife? Beauty? Brains? Charm? Home and family oriented?
Strong willed? Independent? Docile? If you write out a list of

the ten things that you must have in your life partner what would they
be? Only you can decide the answers to this question.

Source http://www.goodwife.com/

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Date: Wed, Sep 12 2007 2:07 am
From: wansford@googlemail.com

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 12 2007 3:22 am
From: useful_infos@yahoo.com

Shocking but true. Story at http://Muvy.org

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 12 2007 4:29 am
From: Ward Abbott

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:14:40 -0400, "OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote:

> Where are these deals for HD-DVD and Blu-Ray now? I can't seem to find
>much of anything under the $20 price point.
>

Let's just wait for the dust to settle and see which format survives.
Remember BETA?

It is new technology and of course, the price will be high. The HD
players are very expensive, including the LG BH100 (plays both formats
without CD audio) which is still over $999.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 12 2007 8:06 am
From: James

On Sep 12, 7:29 am, Ward Abbott <pre...@terian.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:14:40 -0400, "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote:
> > Where are these deals for HD-DVD and Blu-Ray now? I can't seem to find
> >much of anything under the $20 price point.
>
> Let's just wait for the dust to settle and see which format survives.
> Remember BETA?
>
> It is new technology and of course, the price will be high. The HD
> players are very expensive, including the LG BH100 (plays both formats
> without CD audio) which is still over $999.

One of the factors that drives cheap DVD retailling is the cheap
prices for previously viewed DVDs. If the delta between the two is too
high, then fewer people will buy new.

I don't have HD, don't rent any DVDs, buy some previously viewed DVDs
at one of the rental outlets, often for less than $5(only for movies I
think I will want to watch more than once). My assumption is that
there aren't a lot of rentals of HD movies yet so the retail pricing
can stay high.

James

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 12 2007 8:46 am
From: et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black)

James (jlinn@idirect.com) writes:
> On Sep 12, 7:29 am, Ward Abbott <pre...@terian.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:14:40 -0400, "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote:
>> > Where are these deals for HD-DVD and Blu-Ray now? I can't seem to find
>> >much of anything under the $20 price point.
>>
>> Let's just wait for the dust to settle and see which format survives.
>> Remember BETA?
>>
>> It is new technology and of course, the price will be high. The HD
>> players are very expensive, including the LG BH100 (plays both formats
>> without CD audio) which is still over $999.
>
> One of the factors that drives cheap DVD retailling is the cheap
> prices for previously viewed DVDs. If the delta between the two is too
> high, then fewer people will buy new.
>
> I don't have HD, don't rent any DVDs, buy some previously viewed DVDs
> at one of the rental outlets, often for less than $5(only for movies I
> think I will want to watch more than once). My assumption is that
> there aren't a lot of rentals of HD movies yet so the retail pricing
> can stay high.
>
It's usually not frugal to buy into something when it's new. The
prices are high, yet will definitely drop with time. Later, you
can of course buy used.

I've watched a lot of movies at home over the past few years, movies
I wanted to see, and I was paying usually a dollar and no more
than two for each movie. Even if I only watch it once, that's on
par with buying a used book and certainly cheaper than any movie
watching in a theatre here now.

The caveat is that I'm buying VHS movies, at garage sales and even
store clearances.

I didn't buy a vcr until three years ago, a year after I got a DVD
player (and I waited until prices on those had dropped to the fifty
dollar mark). Once I started to pay attention to pre-recorded movies,
for the DVD player, I noticed that VHS was being cleared out, and that
made it appealing to get a VCR finally. I bought one at a garage sale
for twenty dollars, complete with remote and manual and in a box.

I've let others buy into the technology, buying the hardware when
it was expensive, and creating a demand for the "content" which
drives the price lower. By the time I buy in, prices of
both have dropped significantly, and in the case of the VCR, I'm
taking advantage of the whims of society that makes many drop
the old when something new comes along.

Micahel

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 12 2007 9:54 am
From: "OhioGuy"

"> Technical point: I'm pretty sure DVD was introduced in 1997, because I

You are correct - I see that there was an installed user base of 200,000
by the end of 1997. This increased to 1,400,000 by the end of 1998, 5.4 mil
end of 1999, and 14 million by end of 2000. It wasn't until end of 2003
that there was an installed base of 73 million players. So, while they were
indeed "available" in 1997, they were very expensive, and less than 1/10 of
1% of the U.S. population had one of the players on Jan. 1, 2008.

Maybe the price difference can be explained by VHS vs DVD, and DVD vs
HD-DVD.

I think it was a lot cheaper and faster to make a DVD instead of a VHS
tape.

However, I have to question their decision not to sell movies cheaply in
the HD formats early on. Perhaps at this point they realize it will be
another year or two before the format war really heats up, and they figure
they might as well make a decent profit on early adopters.

Perhaps later, in roughly 2008 or 2009, we will see much lower prices as
they try to get people to switch over.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 12 2007 9:57 am
From: "OhioGuy"

> It's usually not frugal to buy into something when it's new. The

But the point I'm making is that when DVD's were fairly new, in 1998 and
1999, especially, online places such as deepdiscountdvd.com (still in
business!) were selling brand new releases for under 10 bucks regularly,
including often with free shipping.

Prices actually went up over the next few years.

Any ideas on why? And why doesn't the trend repeat itself now with
HD-DVD?

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 12 2007 8:09 am
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 12 2007 8:47 am
From: Ken Knecht

Rick <rickajho@rcn.com> wrote in news:46E6D727.11CF49DF@rcn.com:

> You can freeze sour cream? DOH! Can't tell you how many times I've
> wasted it when it didn't get used quickly enough.
>
> What's the deal? Are there any texture/consistency problems after it's
> frozen and thawed? How long can you reasonbly keep it frozen?
>

I use it in recipes, not on baked potatoes or whatever. I'm not sure how
long it lasts. So far no problems.

--
Every silver lining has a cloud.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 12 2007 9:41 am
From: et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black)

Ken Knecht (kenk6600@gmail.com) writes:
> Rick <rickajho@rcn.com> wrote in news:46E6D727.11CF49DF@rcn.com:
>
>> You can freeze sour cream? DOH! Can't tell you how many times I've
>> wasted it when it didn't get used quickly enough.
>>
>> What's the deal? Are there any texture/consistency problems after it's
>> frozen and thawed? How long can you reasonbly keep it frozen?
>>
>
> I use it in recipes, not on baked potatoes or whatever. I'm not sure how
> long it lasts. So far no problems.
>
>
But that's the luck. A lot of those things that are changed by freezing
are things that you woudn't be using "fresh" anyway, so it doesn't matter.

Indeed, it seems like a lot of those things end up needing to be frozen
because you were making something and the recipe calls for XX amount
while the package is XX+YY amount, leaving you stuck with some remaining
that you have no use for until you make that recipe again.

Michael

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 12 2007 10:07 am
From: "Colonel Edmund J. Burke - The Holy Sword of God"

Fleet Admiral William, Decorated Beer Hero. wrote:
> On 12 Sep, 08:28, "Colonel Edmund J. Burke, on a Holy Crusade to rid
> the planet of islamic filth" <i9gsda...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
> > Like the American niggers, isalm will be put right when it assumes the
> > position alloted to it by God at the back of the bus.
>
> You really are a pedantic little waste of space, how your mother must
> regret not having that abortion.

Talk dirty to me, you filthy slut.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 12 2007 11:03 am
From: "Fleet Admiral William, Decorated Beer Hero."

On 12 Sep, 18:07, "Colonel Edmund J. Burke - The Holy Sword of God"
<i9gsda...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
> Fleet Admiral William, Decorated Beer Hero. wrote:
>
> > On 12 Sep, 08:28, "Colonel Edmund J. Burke, on a Holy Crusade to rid
> > the planet of islamic filth" <i9gsda...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
> > > Like the American niggers, isalm will be put right when it assumes the
> > > position alloted to it by God at the back of the bus.
>
> > You really are a pedantic little waste of space, how your mother must
> > regret not having that abortion.
>
> Talk dirty to me, you filthy slut.

I bet you say that to every corpse you rape.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 12 2007 11:11 am
From: "info.davepark7@gmail.com"

1801-series Revereware, Unfortunately one of the skillets has
substantial staining on the stainless (hah) interior. I've scrubbed
it with steel wool and degreaser, steel wool and castille soap, and
green scrubby and Ajax cleanser. Nothing moves the stain. Is the
skillet safe to use in this condition or should I count my blessings
and toss the thing in the recycle bin as a lost cause?

Also, does anyone know offhand the oven temp rating for the black
handles on the 1980s/1990s Revereware?

http://www.revereware.com/index.asp?pageId=83

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TOPIC: I was looking at barter websites today
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 11 2007 2:37 pm
From: "OhioGuy"

The Amish who live near my parents have bartering down to a fine art.
Each family specializes in a different item. One family will raise sheep
(for lamb & wool), another will have apples, another chickens, yet another
cows. There will be dozens of different things that various families
specialize in. Then they will trade with each other, and in this way obtain
variety in their lives, without having to try to do a bit of everything.

I think Craigslist is a good place for bartering. You can list your
skills, and what you would like in trade.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 11 2007 2:56 pm
From: et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black)

"OhioGuy" (none@none.net) writes:
> The Amish who live near my parents have bartering down to a fine art.
> Each family specializes in a different item. One family will raise sheep
> (for lamb & wool), another will have apples, another chickens, yet another
> cows. There will be dozens of different things that various families
> specialize in. Then they will trade with each other, and in this way obtain
> variety in their lives, without having to try to do a bit of everything.
>
But isn't that more a direct thing, I will trade you my product for
your product.

The poster seems to be talking about something more like a bank, so
you do a deed, get points in the "bank", and then withdraw when you
need it, by taking those points to someone else who can use those
points for something they want.

That seems to be the trend, and it seems to reflect once again the
lives of people today. Instead of being connected to their neighbors
(and family and friends), where someone could offer their skill to
others around them, people now feel a need to create "money" for
all this, because they don't like real money.

Michael

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TOPIC: RodSpeed, I am talking to you, don't turn away!
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 11 2007 2:46 pm
From: TwoAllBeefPatties

Look, as things get worse and worse here in the northern hemi, Oz is
gonna be a place to flee to. Use your knowledge and start stockpiling.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 11 2007 2:49 pm
From: TwoAllBeefPatties

Look, as things get worse and worse here in the northern hemi, Oz is
gonna be a place to flee to. Use your knowledge and start stockpiling.

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TOPIC: When news media whine about 'labor shortages' it simply means employers
don't want to pay existing workers as much
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 11 2007 3:07 pm
From: BeaForoni

On Sep 10, 11:37 pm, professorchaos <professorch...@houston.rr.com>
wrote:
> BeaForoni wrote:
> > money. He may have to adjust his crops around school schedules.
>
> Sorry I had to see this in print again. It is a riot. Lets see, I will
> just change the weather so the temperature is right so I can plant
> broccoli a month earlier so school kids can pick it.

See Professor you are ignorant as to modern farming. Many crops have
large windows of time for planting and subsequent harvesting.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 11 2007 3:58 pm
From: royls@telus.net

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:48:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>royls@telus.net wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> royls@telus.net wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>> Mindless stuff. Its also seen when the unemployment rate is very low
>>>>> and you dont even get any applicants at all for a particular well paid job.
>
>>>> LOL! Unless the qualifications are EXTREMELY narrow or the
>>>> job opening not publicized, that simply does not ever happen.
>
>>> Corse it does, we have seen some employers desperate to get
>>> qualified staff, who dont get even a single applicant in response
>>> to their national ads, jobs as basic as truck driving etc.
>
>> Hehe. Truck driving for a private contractor in Iraq, perhaps....?
>
>Nope, in a country thats never had a civil war, or even
>riots that have needed the troops to be called out either.

Your claims continue to lack any evidence.

-- Roy L

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TOPIC: Consumer mentality: (was)Re: Drive your car to death, save $31,000
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 11 2007 3:01 pm
From: Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG

In article <Xns99A7C298043E1greederxprtnet@199.45.49.11>,
gonzo@alltomyself.com says...
> Seerialmom <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1189450106.533860.216870
> @g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>
> > The writer of the article apparently doesn't understand the consumer
> > mentality though, my own daughter was bought a 92 Camry for
> > $500....ran just fine...but her BF insisted they had to have a NEW
> > Dodge Charger...with it's $500 a month payments (not counting
> > insurance).

> Gotta love that consumer mentality. Even our president understands it.
> Anyone remember what his great mandate was after 9-11??
> Breaking free of the consumer mentality is the first strp to frugal living.

It's a big issue in relationships, like right there with the
cars. A great recipe for chronic conflict and resentment. One
partner focused on frugality and self-discipline, while the other
one has a desperate compulsion to blow as much cash and buy as
many toys as possible.

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 11 2007 4:35 pm
From: Gordon

Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG <Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG> wrote in
news:MPG.2150afcc59ee89c0989d34@nntp.aioe.org:

> In article <Xns99A7C298043E1greederxprtnet@199.45.49.11>,
> gonzo@alltomyself.com says...
>> Seerialmom <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> news:1189450106.533860.216870 @g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > The writer of the article apparently doesn't understand the
>> > consumer mentality though, my own daughter was bought a 92 Camry
>> > for $500....ran just fine...but her BF insisted they had to have a
>> > NEW Dodge Charger...with it's $500 a month payments (not counting
>> > insurance).
>
>
>> Gotta love that consumer mentality. Even our president understands
>> it. Anyone remember what his great mandate was after 9-11??
>> Breaking free of the consumer mentality is the first strp to frugal
>> living.
>
>
> It's a big issue in relationships, like right there with the
> cars. A great recipe for chronic conflict and resentment. One
> partner focused on frugality and self-discipline, while the other
> one has a desperate compulsion to blow as much cash and buy as
> many toys as possible.
>
>

I'm lucky that way.

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TOPIC: Repairing a broken drain line
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 11 2007 8:06 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <hrqFi.151094$rX4.1784@pd7urf2no>,
Rudy <NoSpam@no-onehome.net> wrote:
[ ... ]
>Since its terracotta/clay pipe, it isnt s sewer drain [ ... ]

Bad assumption. Clay pipe was used for sewer runs for many years;
one of the recent This Old House shows (Boston three-story) had
a clay pipe drain that had settled and been penetrated by roots.

Gary

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 11 2007 8:14 pm
From: "OhioGuy"

DVD was introduced in 1998. In 1999, I remember finding loads of movies
available on DVD for under 10 bucks each. It seemed like they almost wanted
to give them away to move them out the door. For example, I got a copy of
"The Mummy" right when it came out for about $8, shipped.

Where are these deals for HD-DVD and Blu-Ray now? I can't seem to find
much of anything under the $20 price point.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 11 2007 8:41 pm
From: Logan Shaw

OhioGuy wrote:
> DVD was introduced in 1998. In 1999, I remember finding loads of movies
> available on DVD for under 10 bucks each. It seemed like they almost wanted
> to give them away to move them out the door. For example, I got a copy of
> "The Mummy" right when it came out for about $8, shipped.
>
> Where are these deals for HD-DVD and Blu-Ray now? I can't seem to find
> much of anything under the $20 price point.

Technical point: I'm pretty sure DVD was introduced in 1997, because I
watched a DVD at a friend's house when I lived in California, and I moved
from California to Texas in 1997. However, at the time, he was the only
person I'd ever met anywhere who had a DVD player. And we watched one of
the very few titles available on DVD. It was "Twister", starring Helen
Hunt.

Anyway, I think part of what's going on is that Blu-ray and HD-DVD are
both pretty new, and they expect to be able to keep prices high for a
while. I also think another part of what's going on is that now that
DVD exists and the going rate is something like $5-$15 depending on the
desirability of the individual title, they feel like they can price a
Blu-ray or a HD-DVD version higher than a DVD because it's higher
resolution (product differentiation). In fact, they may be counting
on DVDs continuing to exist for quite some time so that the comparison
to DVDs will continue to prop up the prices of the newer formats.
Sorta like how when cassettes and CDs were both popular, CDs cost more
even though they were a whole lot cheaper to produce. (Tape duplication
machines were expensive and clunky because they had to run at many
times nominal speed to get any decent quantity of tapes done per hour,
which made for a whole heap of mechanical and electrical engineering
challenges. Meanwhile, CDs can be pressed all at once in an instant.)

- Logan

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TOPIC: epidemic SATURN problems (9/11/07)
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 11 2007 8:17 pm
From: misterfactLIES

In article <75kde3lajn81v63fedjv533c1cl3ueksai@4ax.com>,
thismailautodeleted@comcast.net says...
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:52:58 -0700, "misterfact@yahoo.com"
> <misterfact@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Smells like Steve Scharf (SMS).

Wow Scharf would be insulted to be confused with Michael Korman (aka
misterfag).

> In any case, there's Saturn and GM and autos.tech groups which will
> kick your ass, which you appear to desire.

From the looks of google archives they have already! He is such a joke
there no one even replies to him anymore LOL! I guess this attention
whore is trying his luck elsewhere.

> People here are fairly polite - and not known for car expertise.
>
> --Vic

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TOPIC: Harry Potter - Friend or Foe of Christians?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 11 2007 9:22 pm
From: theaxed@gmail.com

Harry Potter - Friend or Foe of Christians?

The Illumined heart Orthodox Radio Program (http://ancientfaith.com/
podcasts/illuminedheart/ ) interviews, John Granger, a noted Harry
Potter expert - www.HogwartsProfessor.com. Mr. Granger has traveled
about the country speaking about these books, his predictions since
they were being written, and their place in the canon of English
Literature.

Click bellow to listen
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== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 11 2007 10:49 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

theaxed@gmail.com wrote:
> Harry Potter - Friend or Foe of Christians?

Perhaps a more interesting question...
"Christians, Friend or Foe of Harry Potter?"

Anthony

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 11 2007 10:50 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

theaxed@gmail.com wrote:

> Harry Potter - Friend or Foe of Christians?

Who cares ? Kids like the books, thats all that matters.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 11 2007 11:02 pm
From: Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG

In article
<1189570933.719505.278580@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
theaxed@gmail.com says...
> Harry Potter - Friend or Foe of Christians?
>
> The Illumined heart Orthodox Radio Program (http://ancientfaith.com/
> podcasts/illuminedheart/ ) interviews, John Granger, a noted Harry
> Potter expert - www.HogwartsProfessor.com. Mr. Granger has traveled
> about the country speaking about these books, his predictions since
> they were being written, and their place in the canon of English
> Literature.

Wow... That is a really modern and kewl academic credential...
"Harry Potter Expert."

I am feeling such awe and admiration. My only direct Harry
Potter exposure was from the local supermarket having one of
those movies playing on their small display of cheap DVD players
and TVs.

But, somehow, I must be culturally impoverished, or something.
Since I never felt any urge to delve any deeper into that
profound piece of English Literature.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 11 2007 9:26 pm
From: Greggie Gibson

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in news:5kdp7iF37v2bU1
@mid.individual.net:

> Rick <rickajho@rcn.com> wrote
>> PaPaPeng wrote
>
>>> Among the very few snacks I take is the hockey puck sized cans
>>> of Tuna in water. I have food sensitivities and can't eat canned
>>> fish in sauce or oil of any kind. I have been draining the water thus
>>> far and eat only the meat. It occured to me that since the flesh
>>> had been cooked and soaked in that water since canning the water
>>> would have a lot of protein in it. Throwing away that water seems
>>> wasteful. Is draining a common practice? Do you also eat/drink
>>> that water along with the meat?
>
>> Cat treat: if you have a cat. My guys go nuts when they get it.
>
> Doesnt work for the chinese, they have already eaten the cat.
>
>> The only other thing I can think of is turning into some kind
>> of fish stock, but I've never run across that being done yet.
>
>

I thought that's what they make export vegimite from

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 11 2007 10:51 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Greggie Gibson <Greggie_Gibson@noonecares.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rick <rickajho@rcn.com> wrote
>>> PaPaPeng wrote

>>>> Among the very few snacks I take is the hockey puck sized cans
>>>> of Tuna in water. I have food sensitivities and can't eat canned
>>>> fish in sauce or oil of any kind. I have been draining the water
>>>> thus far and eat only the meat. It occured to me that since the flesh
>>>> had been cooked and soaked in that water since canning the water
>>>> would have a lot of protein in it. Throwing away that water seems
>>>> wasteful. Is draining a common practice? Do you also eat/drink
>>>> that water along with the meat?

>>> Cat treat: if you have a cat. My guys go nuts when they get it.

>> Doesnt work for the chinese, they have already eaten the cat.

>>> The only other thing I can think of is turning into some kind
>>> of fish stock, but I've never run across that being done yet.

> I thought that's what they make export vegimite from

Nope, that is made from illegal immigrants.

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