Frugal Living: Nov 10, 2007

Saturday, November 10, 2007

24 new messages in 10 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: What to do when the city ruins your sidewalk?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/fff69264218978cf?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 4:51 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 01:56:29 -0000, gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)
wrote:

>In article <fh246c$rqh$2@aioe.org>, OhioGuy <none@none.net> wrote:
>> Yesterday was the day when the trash truck came. (I call it the trash
>>truck because garbage is fruit and vegetable waste, and we compost ours, but
>>we do put trash out) Sometime during the day, it appears that a very, very
>>heavy and large truck drove up onto our sidewalk where the front sidewalk
>>becomes the side sidewalk.
>
>> So basically, they missed the turn and drove up onto our yard. The weight
>>of the truck pushed a section of the sidewalk that is about 7 feet long
>>sideways about 4 inches, and one end is now up in the air about 5 inches. I
>>am unable to move it by hand.
> [ ... ]
>
>Have you filed a police report regarding the vandalism to your property?
>You should do so. If it can be characterized as a motor vehicle accident,
>then the perpetrators can be prosecuted for leaving the scene--which is
>usually a felony.
>
>Also, check with your neighbors--one of them may have seen the truck in
>your yard. If there are any tracks, do plaster casts of them as further
>documentation.
>
>You might see if a tow truck can pull the section back into position.
>If they can, it'll be cheaper than breaking out the original sidewalk
>and having a new one poured.
>
>
>Gary

Hmmm, could have been some other truck that did the damage. I'm
trying to visualize the forces involved. I couldn't do that with a
backhoe, which has a large weight per wheel and a lot of torque. I
agree with filing a police report.

A couple of bottle jacks and an afternoon of labor might reset the
concrete. Making the soil underneath the concrete wet could encourage
things to settle.

When doing spike strips for wayward vehicles, drive the spikes through
a 2x4 and the cover the exposed spike ends with foam insulation so
that no spike end is exposed. Bury the strip in the affected area.
When a vehicle passes over, the weight will crush the foam and allow
the spike to penetrate (remember that truck tires are very thick).
Whan a person walks over it, nothing will happen. I've never done
this and take no responsibility for your taking my joke literally.
(And now that green slime seems ubiquitous, strip metal might work
better.)

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 7:48 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <vljcj3dihabqrst51fs23rs00a0jdq11fu@4ax.com>,
<hchickpea@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 01:56:29 -0000, gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)
>wrote:
[ ... ]

>>Have you filed a police report regarding the vandalism to your property?
>>You should do so. If it can be characterized as a motor vehicle accident,
>>then the perpetrators can be prosecuted for leaving the scene--which is
>>usually a felony.

>>Also, check with your neighbors--one of them may have seen the truck in
>>your yard. If there are any tracks, do plaster casts of them as further
>>documentation.

>>You might see if a tow truck can pull the section back into position.
>>If they can, it'll be cheaper than breaking out the original sidewalk
>>and having a new one poured.

Hey, he still remembers how to post!

>Hmmm, could have been some other truck that did the damage. I'm
>trying to visualize the forces involved. I couldn't do that with a
>backhoe, which has a large weight per wheel and a lot of torque. I
>agree with filing a police report.

It would help tp know if the neighbors saw anything. Heavy trucks in
a residential neighborhood usually attract attention.

>A couple of bottle jacks and an afternoon of labor might reset the
>concrete. Making the soil underneath the concrete wet could encourage
>things to settle.

>When doing spike strips for wayward vehicles, drive the spikes through
>a 2x4 and the cover the exposed spike ends with foam insulation so
>that no spike end is exposed. Bury the strip in the affected area.
>When a vehicle passes over, the weight will crush the foam and allow
>the spike to penetrate (remember that truck tires are very thick).
>Whan a person walks over it, nothing will happen. I've never done
>this and take no responsibility for your taking my joke literally.
>(And now that green slime seems ubiquitous, strip metal might work
>better.)

One "fence" described to me consisted of 4" stainless pipe 10' long
set 6' into the ground, with 1/2" aircraft cable strung between the
posts. Reportedly was effective at stopping cars from sliding into
a yard.

Gary

--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net

http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

Yoko Onos' former driver tried to extort $2M from her, threating to
"release embarassing recordings...". What, he has a copy of her album?

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TOPIC: Cheap Windshield Washer
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/fc614690bcd87be0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 4:58 pm
From: PaPaPeng

A 4 litre jug of blue windshield washer costs $9.88. A few shelves
away is methyl hydrate at $4.88 a 4 litre jug. Windshield washer is
mainly a solution of methyl hydrate (methanol) added to water to
prevent the water from freezing. My solution is to buy the methyl
hydrate and mix 1 liter of it with 3 litres of water to make
windshield washer. There is some of my mixture left in the bottle.
Its kept in the trunk. If it doesn't freeze I've got the mixture
right. If it does I'll mix another batch of 50:50 alcohol water. And
so on. Even 100 per cent methyl hydrate is still chaper than
windshield washer. I don't like the idea of 100 per cent alcohol
though as it is flammable.

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TOPIC: How does the California point system affect me in my traffic situation?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a89478c6fbcc4f69?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 5:43 pm
From: "Ann LaRocca-Reifers, RN"

On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 20:44:57 +0000 (UTC), Steve Sobol wrote:
> The law is: if you're in an accident, you must report it within 30 days.
> That was what I had to do last March. I wasn't at fault, someone else hit me,
> didn't matter.
> Does it hurt to file? No. Is it a good idea to file? Definitely.
> It *is* the law.

That's not the law.
The law is if the DAMAGE is over 750 dollars, both parties must file.
I said so in the first post.

THe problem is how to ASSESS what the damage is.
I've assessed it at 100 dollars (that's what it cost anyway).
Yet, the repair was substandard.
So, who gets to assess the damage?
What if I assess the damage at 700 dollars and the other party assesses the
damage at 800 dollars?
And, it is the total damage or just the damage to one vehicle?

See what I mean?
Nobody yet I've ever met understands the implications, not the DMV, not the
police (neither of whom I trust) and not anyone I've spoken to (all of whom
I trust).

Does ANYBODY know the California law (you certainly don't & neither do I)?

Why doesn't someone on alt.law-enforcement.traffic respond?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 5:46 pm
From: Steve Sobol

["Followup-To:" header set to ca.driving.]
On 2007-11-11, Ann LaRocca-Reifers, RN <AnnRnWocn@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> The law is if the DAMAGE is over 750 dollars, both parties must file.
> I said so in the first post.
>
> THe problem is how to ASSESS what the damage is.

Not a problem. Take it to a body shop and get an estimate.

> I've assessed it at 100 dollars (that's what it cost anyway).

Based on what?

> Nobody yet I've ever met understands the implications, not the DMV, not the
> police (neither of whom I trust) and not anyone I've spoken to (all of whom
> I trust).

I don't know what the problem is.

--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED

www.SteveSobol.com
Geek-for-hire. Details: http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevesobol

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 9:18 pm
From: Logan Shaw

Ann LaRocca-Reifers, RN wrote:
> Does ANYBODY know the California law (you certainly don't & neither do I)?
>
> Why doesn't someone on alt.law-enforcement.traffic respond?

If you want legal advice or opinion and nobody is offering it to you for
free, then why not hire a lawyer? That's what they do, after all.

Alternatively, why not go to the State of California's web site and read
through the relevant parts of the code?

Both of those would be a lot more effective than cross-posting to
misc.consumers.frugal-living.

- Logan

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TOPIC: How to use FLIR infrared camera to reduce Winter home heating bills.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7a0ee7a8600425be?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 6:12 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

danny burstein wrote:
> In <%trZi.13114$if6.9671@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> aemeijers <aemeijers@att.net> writes:
>> Now if I could just find a company in this small town that had one (ANY
>> sort of IR camera), and could come out and do a walkaround for me. It'd
>> be worth a C-note to me to be able to target my limited repair funds at
>> the worst leaks.
>
> For the hell of it, call your local fire department
> folk. They just might have one.

You might be able to do almost as well using a non-contact thermometer.
Go out on a cold night and scan the likely places, like around windows
and doors. It's slower but works on the same principle.

Anthony

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 6:42 pm
From: aemeijers

Anthony Matonak wrote:
> danny burstein wrote:
>> In <%trZi.13114$if6.9671@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> aemeijers
>> <aemeijers@att.net> writes:
>>> Now if I could just find a company in this small town that had one
>>> (ANY sort of IR camera), and could come out and do a walkaround for
>>> me. It'd be worth a C-note to me to be able to target my limited
>>> repair funds at the worst leaks.
>>
>> For the hell of it, call your local fire department
>> folk. They just might have one.
>
> You might be able to do almost as well using a non-contact thermometer.
> Go out on a cold night and scan the likely places, like around windows
> and doors. It's slower but works on the same principle.
>
> Anthony
Okay- a quick Google shows entry-level models of those start at around a
hundred bucks. Cute, but kind of steep for a one-time-use tool.

As to enlisting the FD- yeah, the multiple departments around here do
have thermal cameras, but they are the kind for spotting warm bodies
through smoke.(Donated by the local insurance companies.) Not much use
for spotting 70-degree hot spots against a 30? 40? degree background.
Not to mention, they are all understaffed and underfunded, since all the
local governmental units refuse to do the logical thing and combine them
into a metro department and cut out the duplication. They don't have the
spare manhours for non-fire related residential field trips.

I wonder if tool rental places have ever considered adding thermal
cameras to their library? Kinda hi-tech for most DIYs to use, I guess,
not to mention fragile and expensive...

aem sends...

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 8:49 pm
From: Les Cargill

aemeijers wrote:
> Anthony Matonak wrote:
>> danny burstein wrote:
>>> In <%trZi.13114$if6.9671@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
>>> aemeijers <aemeijers@att.net> writes:
>>>> Now if I could just find a company in this small town that had one
>>>> (ANY sort of IR camera), and could come out and do a walkaround for
>>>> me. It'd be worth a C-note to me to be able to target my limited
>>>> repair funds at the worst leaks.
>>>
>>> For the hell of it, call your local fire department
>>> folk. They just might have one.
>>
>> You might be able to do almost as well using a non-contact thermometer.
>> Go out on a cold night and scan the likely places, like around windows
>> and doors. It's slower but works on the same principle.
>>
>> Anthony
> Okay- a quick Google shows entry-level models of those start at around a
> hundred bucks. Cute, but kind of steep for a one-time-use tool.
>

Uh... no.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93983

> As to enlisting the FD- yeah, the multiple departments around here do
> have thermal cameras, but they are the kind for spotting warm bodies
> through smoke.(Donated by the local insurance companies.) Not much use
> for spotting 70-degree hot spots against a 30? 40? degree background.
> Not to mention, they are all understaffed and underfunded, since all the
> local governmental units refuse to do the logical thing and combine them
> into a metro department and cut out the duplication. They don't have the
> spare manhours for non-fire related residential field trips.
>
> I wonder if tool rental places have ever considered adding thermal
> cameras to their library? Kinda hi-tech for most DIYs to use, I guess,
> not to mention fragile and expensive...
>
> aem sends...

--
Les Cargill

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 9:09 pm
From: "Don K"

"aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
news:%trZi.13114$if6.9671@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

> Now if I could just find a company in this small town that had one (ANY sort of IR
> camera), and could come out and do a walkaround for me. It'd be worth a C-note to me to
> be able to target my limited repair funds at the worst leaks.

Some digital cameras and webcams already respond to IR.

There are various instructions around on how to convert them into IR cameras.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/395292/take_infrared_pictures_with_your_digital_camera/

No thanks are necessary. Just send me the C-note. :)

Don

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TOPIC: Comcast - drop cable TV but keep Internet?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ef5e146031ebf44c?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 6:19 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

timeOday wrote:
> ... The phone company's own website wanted my SSN before
> quoting a price! Yes, they demanded my SSN.

Just because they demand something doesn't mean you have to give it.
You could probably just fill in any sequence of numbers.

It's like when the supermarket wants your birthday, 12/07/1941 seems
like a nice easy to remember date.

Anthony

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 6:30 pm
From: Gordon

"catalpa" <catalpa@entertab.org> wrote in news:jzdZi.80$jH2.8@trnddc01:

> You will never get a straight answer out of Comcast. Your best bet is to
> totally drop Comcast and sign up with a DSL provider or Verizon FIOS (if
> available).
>
>

I'll second that fios suggestion. Verizon deployed fios around here
a few summers ago and Comcast is running scared. They have lowered
their prices and upgraded their speeds to try and match Verizon's.

One tip; Before signing up with Verizon, get a free Yahoo e-mail.
Then when you sign up, get the yahoo/verizon package. Your free
e-mail will be upgraded to priemium service and you will also get
other Yahoo services (like flickr) at priemium levels at no extra cost.

Oh, but skip the Verizon phone service. It costs too much. fios
is the same price with or without phone service.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 7:59 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

Gordon wrote:
...
> I'll second that fios suggestion. Verizon deployed fios around here
> a few summers ago and Comcast is running scared. They have lowered
> their prices and upgraded their speeds to try and match Verizon's.

Does fios actually work? I've heard rumors that they've had
all kinds of problems with the technology and aren't even
selling it anymore.

Anthony

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 7:59 pm
From: George Grapman

Anthony Matonak wrote:
> timeOday wrote:
>> ... The phone company's own website wanted my SSN before
>> quoting a price! Yes, they demanded my SSN.
>
> Just because they demand something doesn't mean you have to give it.
> You could probably just fill in any sequence of numbers.
>
> It's like when the supermarket wants your birthday, 12/07/1941 seems
> like a nice easy to remember date.
>
> Anthony

I remember when Radio Shack used to ask for a phone number. If they
insisted I gave the 415-555-1212.
My two grocery cards both have 415-123-4567.
The only card that has my real name and address is the race track
because they mail out freebies and promos.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 8:36 pm
From: Gene S. Berkowitz

In article <47367d54$0$32546$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, anthonym40
@nothing.like.socal.rr.com says...
> Gordon wrote:
> ...
> > I'll second that fios suggestion. Verizon deployed fios around here
> > a few summers ago and Comcast is running scared. They have lowered
> > their prices and upgraded their speeds to try and match Verizon's.
>
> Does fios actually work? I've heard rumors that they've had
> all kinds of problems with the technology and aren't even
> selling it anymore.
>
> Anthony

Yes, it works. I had it installed last Monday.
Video quality is superb, internet connection is fast & stable,
and my phone works.

--Gene

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 9:28 pm
From: Logan Shaw

Anthony Matonak wrote:
> Gordon wrote:
> ...
>> I'll second that fios suggestion. Verizon deployed fios around here
>> a few summers ago and Comcast is running scared. They have lowered
>> their prices and upgraded their speeds to try and match Verizon's.
>
> Does fios actually work? I've heard rumors that they've had
> all kinds of problems with the technology and aren't even
> selling it anymore.

Could be capacity issues rather than a flaw in the technology
itself. When Time-Warner first installed cable modems in the
area, the popularity grew so quickly that they had to keep
upgrading it every couple months as the segments got overcrowded
and speeds dropped. They'd upgrade it and it'd be fast again,
then get slow again as more and more people signed on. Finally,
after a year or two either growth dropped to a slower rate, or
they learned how to scale up capacity fast enough, and all the
growing pains went away.

Then fast forward to when they first offered telephone service
over the cable lines. Similar problems happened, except that
instead of internet slowness, it was "all circuits busy" messages
or never-ending ringing when someone tried to call you. Then
after about a year, those capacity problems went away too.

- Logan

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 9:36 pm
From: timeOday

Gordon wrote:
> "catalpa" <catalpa@entertab.org> wrote in news:jzdZi.80$jH2.8@trnddc01:
>
>> You will never get a straight answer out of Comcast. Your best bet is to
>> totally drop Comcast and sign up with a DSL provider or Verizon FIOS (if
>> available).
>>
>>
>
> I'll second that fios suggestion. Verizon deployed fios around here
> a few summers ago and Comcast is running scared. They have lowered
> their prices and upgraded their speeds to try and match Verizon's.

Heh. How I would love to have some competition around here.

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TOPIC: EARN AS MUCH AS U WANT NO LIMIT
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/96ba3c3fdf360af2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 7:30 pm
From: angela_gracy

ARE YOU THINKING TO HAVE A HOME BASED BUSINESS

WELL YOUR SEARCH IS OVER. COME AND JOIN US AND

ENJOY THE COMFORT OF EARNING AT HOME.

THOUGH I AM A BEGINER.

I EARN $20000 PER MONTH

SO WHAT YOU ARE WAITING FOR

www.freewebs.com/lingui

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TOPIC: REGISTER YOURSELF AND GET THE $200 FOR FREE
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7e90460be1498f46?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 7:30 pm
From: angela_gracy

ARE YOU THINKING TO HAVE A HOME BASED BUSINESS

WELL YOUR SEARCH IS OVER. COME AND JOIN US AND

ENJOY THE COMFORT OF EARNING AT HOME.

THOUGH I AM A BEGINER.

I EARN $20000 PER MONTH

SO WHAT YOU ARE WAITING FOR

www.freewebs.com/lingui

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 7:51 pm
From: George Grapman

I can only imagine8ne are far $20,000 a month goes in India.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 7:52 pm
From: George Grapman

I can only imagine how far $20,000 a month goes in India.

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TOPIC: Frugal Home Remedy Questions / Thoughts
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f16d94d5b7304c70?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 7:34 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Joe <really-faked-but-works@yunx.com> wrote:

>> I didn't say it does work, I said it makes no sense to use
>> kerosene TODAY when the alternatives work so much better
>> and are readily available, even if you are in Gauntano etc.

> I'm pretty sure nobody was promoting it's use... The original
> question was aswered as to who, what, when, where, why, etc... Thread is dead as far as I'm concerned - and it was my
> original post.

You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.

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TOPIC: Dying to shop
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 9:40 pm
From: timeOday

I'm just glad this was in China rather than here in the US.
So much for communism!
Ah, greed.

<http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/11/10/supermarket.stampede.ap/index.html>

BEIJING, China (AP) -- Shoppers eager to buy goods on sale stampeded at
a Carrefour supermarket in southwestern China on Saturday, trampling
three people to death and injuring at least 31, state media reported.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 9:06 am
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 9:25 am
From: varois83

We are considering buying a second side by side refrigerator/freezer
to take advantage of meat/fish/frozen veggies sales.
Also wife needs more fridge room.
I have calculated that it could pay for itself in 1 year(Including
electricity) as we can't take advantage of grocerie store sales right
now as we would want to.
Example chicken cutlets most of the time regular at $4.99 lb but they
do go on sale for $1.99 lb but we can't stock up.
To buy 30 lb of these would roughly be $150 at $4.99 lb and $60 at
$1.99 lb, that is a saving of $90 just on that.
A month ago the wife came home with packages of salmon on sale for
$1.99 lb regular was $8.99 lb, she bought 4 packages but she would
have stocked up if we had the freezer.
Frozen veggies do go on sale too.
We are looking at a Maytag, energy efficient with ice maker, 26 cub
feet.
Does anyone here do that and what has your experience/savings been?

Thanks a lot

Patrick

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 11:19 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"varois83" <varois83@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:1194715500.186952.112120@v2g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> Hi
>
> We are considering buying a second side by side refrigerator/freezer
> to take advantage of meat/fish/frozen veggies sales.
> Also wife needs more fridge room.
> I have calculated that it could pay for itself in 1 year(Including
> electricity) as we can't take advantage of grocerie store sales right
> now as we would want to.
> Example chicken cutlets most of the time regular at $4.99 lb but they
> do go on sale for $1.99 lb but we can't stock up.
> To buy 30 lb of these would roughly be $150 at $4.99 lb and $60 at
> $1.99 lb, that is a saving of $90 just on that.
> A month ago the wife came home with packages of salmon on sale for
> $1.99 lb regular was $8.99 lb, she bought 4 packages but she would
> have stocked up if we had the freezer.
> Frozen veggies do go on sale too.
> We are looking at a Maytag, energy efficient with ice maker, 26 cub
> feet.
> Does anyone here do that and what has your experience/savings been?

i have an upright freezer. i buy my beef by the side.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 9:46 am
From: Jeff

Don K wrote:

> "Jeff" <dont_bug_me@all.uk> wrote in message news:13jbbcm63q1bpc4@corp.supernews.com...
>
>>Don K wrote:
>>
>>>"Jon v Leipzig" <JVL@myday.com> wrote in message news:47317AA2.2040004@myday.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Electric blankets create a magnetic field that penetrates about 6-7 inches into the
>>>>body.
>>>
>>>It only penetrates 6 or 7 inches? What is stopping the field?
>>
>>Not stopping the magnetic field but cancelling it. The closer the wires are together the
>>shorter the distance before it's field is cancelled by an opposing field. Much as the
>>reason why twisted pairs are used in data lines (to prevent induced voltages from
>>outside fields).
>
>
> I understand that, but I was nit-picking over the choice of words. The field is
> strongest close in , but it extends out forever. It might make sense to talk about
> the distance at which the field falls below ambient intensity, but the word
> "penetrate" is somewhat misleading IMO.

That makes sense. Particularly since you have a reputation to know
these things!
>
>
>>Newer PTC electric blankets have very low magnetic fields, but I do not know what the
>>actual standards are on current blankets. I had thought reduced fields were mandated (in
>>the US) but I can't find evidence of that.
>
>
> From what I read in IEEE Explorer, PTC does work well to cancel fields,
> but one of the federal regulating agencies won't approve its use in blankets
> because there's a potential for higher leakage current.

I'm not quite sure what to make of that. On the surface it sounds
like a government agency is doing it's job. But given the overall
climate of mission change these last years I wonder what the real reason is.

Jeff
>
> Don
>
>

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 1:39 pm
From: WaterBoy

.
you got 8 years use out of it;
think of it as an investment;
don't be too frugal on this long term investment

over the last 35 years,
i've been through 2 electric blankets

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 10:00 am
From: throwitout

On Nov 7, 10:14 am, bealoid <sig...@bealoid.co.uk> wrote:
> Erica Eshoo <evesunf...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:zj%Xi.2580$RR6.979
> @newssvr22.news.prodigy.net:
>
> [snip]
>
> > May I ask:
> > What does either WinRar or WinZip payware do that IZArc freeware doesn't?
>
> I thought that WinRAR was the only software that could create rar archives.
> But I could be wrong.

True. However Tugzip (which has full support of Zip, 7-zip, etc)
includes unrar support. And you can drop in rar.exe from a rar
installation and get compression support. The shareware WinRAR will
work, and it won't give any nag screens. Of course this is all
strictly hypothetical since using any part of WinRAR past the 30 day
trial is against the agreement.

== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 10:30 am
From: Logan Shaw

> You will never get a straight answer out of Comcast. Your best bet is to
> totally drop Comcast and sign up with a DSL provider or Verizon FIOS (if
> available).

When I hear that you can't ever get a straight answer about price from
someone, I tend to think that means the price is negotiate. Sure, it
might just be that you can't get an answer because their customer service
is a pain in all areas, but it might also be that they are playing a
pricing game with you. Or to put it another way, they won't tell you
the price because are participating in setting the price.

The good news is, maybe you can look at this as more of an opportunity
than an annoyance. If they are playing pricing games, it means you
can possibly turn the tables, take control of the process, and get them
to lower your price.

I managed to get this to happen with my cable company (Time-Warner).
I had been paying $140 for a package with digital cable TV, internet,
and phone with unlimited long distance. I was planning to go 100%
cell phone, so I called them up and simply said I wanted to drop the
phone part of my service. They decided to try for a "save", and they
offered me the exact same services for $122. I took it.

In your case, I'd be tempted to research the competition for internet
service. DSL is probably about $20/month, so I'd find out how much
it really is, then call the cable company and tell them you want to
shut off your entire service (since you don't care that much about the
analog cable TV part). I bet they will give a straight answer at
that point. ;-)

- Logan

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 1:57 pm
From: timeOday

catalpa wrote:
> "timeOday" <timeOday-UNSPAM@theknack.net> wrote in message
> news:kICdncmkVYI1zajanZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> I spent about 20 minutes searching the web this evening and could NOT
>> determine how much it would end up costing me per month if I drop my
>> (analog) cable TV and just get Internet. It's very frustrating they
>> won't just give straight answers.
>>
>> Anybody know? Or does it totally depend on how much competition they
>> have in each city?
>
> You will never get a straight answer out of Comcast. Your best bet is to
> totally drop Comcast and sign up with a DSL provider or Verizon FIOS (if
> available).

I tried to look into that, but found the phone companies at least
equally deceptive. I could neither get an actual price, nor how much
bandwidth I would get. They'll happily quote you "a" price, but it
doesn't include a million different taxes and fees, or even the ISP
service you might have to buy over the DSL line itself, and it requires
you have home phone service from them (which I don't - Vonage). Even
finding the regular monthly rate after the teaser expires can be almost
impossible. The phone company's own website wanted my SSN before
quoting a price! Yes, they demanded my SSN.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 3:40 pm
From: Jeff

timeOday wrote:
> I spent about 20 minutes searching the web this evening and could NOT
> determine how much it would end up costing me per month if I drop my
> (analog) cable TV and just get Internet. It's very frustrating they
> won't just give straight answers.
>
> Anybody know? Or does it totally depend on how much competition they
> have in each city?

Several months ago this was about $60.

Jeff

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 10:42 am
From: "Rod Speed"

TH O <tho@tho.23.invalid> wrote:
> In article <5pkq43Fr8v5bU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Joe <really-faked-but-works@yunx.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Okay... This feels like the most "troll-like" post I've ever
>>> posted here, but I assure you, the question is
>>> legitimate and comes from me recently reading the "US Army Survival
>>> Manual" I bought at a book sale this summer.
>>
>> Corse you would say that if you were trolling...
>>
>>> On page 26 of section 3, it says you can use the following remedies
>>> to treat an intestinal problem caused by
>>> parasites:
>>
>>> 1.) Saltwater. Mix 4 tablespoons of salt in 1 quart of water and
>>> drink. Do not repeat this treatment
>>
>> Pointless using this approach when more effective ways of dealing
>> with intestinal parasites are available and arent expensive.
>>
>>> Thoughts: Okay... This I can understand sorta... Makes a
>>> solution that is absorbed by the parasites I suppose.
>>
>> Or kills them in theory, anyway.
>>
>>> 2.) Tobacco. Eat 1 to 1.5 cigarettes. The nicotine in the
>>> cigarette will kill or stun the worms long enough for
>>> your system to pass them. If the infestation is severe, repeat the
>>> treatment in 24-48 hours, but not sooner.
>>
>> Stupid using this approach when more effective ways of dealing
>> with intestinal parasites are available and arent expensive.
>>
>>> Thoughts: I can see this working. Having swallowed a cigarette
>>> once
>>> when I was 16 or 17, I'd say this is probably really
>>> uncomfortable...
>>> But I guess the parasitic infection is too.
>>
>> Not necessarily, some are symptom free.
>>
>>> 3.) Hot peppers. Peppers are effective only if they are a steady
>>> part of your diet. You can eat them raw or put them
>>> in soups or rice and meat dishes.
>>
>> Mindlessly silly.
>>
>>> Thoughts: Jalapeno good enough or do I have to take it to the
>>> Habanero or even beyond to the Naga level hot peppers?
>>
>>> 4.) Kerosene. Drink 2 tablespoons of kerosene but no more. If
>>> necessary, you can repeat this treatment in 24-48 hours but no
>>> sooner.
>>
>> Even more stupid using this approach when more effective ways of
>> dealing with intestinal parasites are available and arent expensive.
>>
>>> Thoughts: Wow. Siphoning gasoline tastes bad when you mess up. I
>>> can't imagine what kerosene tastes like...
>>
>> Not as bad, its not as volatile.
>>
>>> I also can't imagine that doing this often is very good for you or
>>> your kidneys, liver, intestines, stomach, tongue,
>>> throat, or arse.
>>
>> Yeah, its a stupid approach if the usual treatment for intestinal
>> parasites is available, and it always is except in the situation
>> that manual was written for, even in third world countrys.
>>
>> And it makes a hell of a lot more sense to avoid getting intestinal
>> parasites in the first place by using any of the obvious ways to
>> ensure that.
>>
>>> Who tests this stuff?!?
>>
>> Presumably that crap was tested at vast expense to the US taxpayer
>> using suckers that didnt have any real choice as far as being
>> victims was concerned.

> This is a *SURVIVAL* manual.

You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist loons ?

> What part of that don't you get?

What I get is that if you are obsessed about survival, it makes
a hell of a lot more sense to ensure you have an adequate supply
of what deals with intestinal parasites MUCH more effectively than
that crap above than it ever does using that crap above instead.

> They didn't put this stuff in there if it was bull. The kerosene
> remedy was supposedly used in WWII POW camps for
> tapeworms when the POWs couldn't access medication.

I didnt say it does work, I said it makes no sense to use
kerosene TODAY when the alternatives work so much better
and are readily available, even if you are in Gauntano etc.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 2:47 pm
From: "Joe"

> I didn't say it does work, I said it makes no sense to use
> kerosene TODAY when the alternatives work so much better
> and are readily available, even if you are in Gauntano etc.

I'm pretty sure nobody was promoting it's use... The original question was
aswered as to who, what, when, where, why, etc... Thread is dead as far as
I'm concerned - and it was my original post. <G>

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 10:57 am
From: "The Medway Handyman"

Colin Wilson wrote:
>> can anyone recommend a decent vacuum cleaner (cylinder one)? Do you
>> know any useful and recent test/comparison made by some consumers
>> association reporting the best buy ?
>
> Nilfisk GM80
>
> Not easy to find, but a recent reply from a regular to the same
> question on uk.d-i-y said he used to work for them, and the odds are
> if you're over 30, it'll last longer than you.

<WAVES> :-)

>
> If you hunt around a bit, you can get them for about £180 IIRC.

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 11:33 am
From: Kostas Kavoussanakis

On Sat, 10 Nov 2007, Colin Wilson wrote:

>> can anyone recommend a decent vacuum cleaner (cylinder one)? Do you
>> know any useful and recent test/comparison made by some consumers
>> association reporting the best buy ?
>
> Nilfisk GM80
>
> Not easy to find, but a recent reply from a regular to the same
> question on uk.d-i-y said he used to work for them, and the odds are
> if you're over 30, it'll last longer than you.
>
> If you hunt around a bit, you can get them for about £180 IIRC.

Note that they have two models:

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 11:32 am
From: rainandsnow

Simon Finnigan wrote:
> "rainandsnow" <therainandsnow@NOTTHISBITyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:5pk748Frk0ncU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Simon Finnigan wrote:
>>> "rainandsnow" <therainandsnow@NOTTHISBITyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:5phnr5Fr2bdcU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> we are the robots wrote:
>>>>> johngood_____ wrote:
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>> Just take it back and say you've only had it 'bout a week and
>>>>> haven't got the receipt.
>>>>> Works every time!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But that is lying.
>>>
>>> As is saying you have no right to a replacement, which is the blanket
>>> statement from the likes of Argos.
>>
>>
>> Good point, but is it possible that the person at Argos saying that
>> may believe it to be true?
>
> Why would that be at all relevant? They are acting as a representative
> of their company, and if their company has told them to say it, and they
> say it, why would it matter what they thought?

Why would it be relevant?? Because if they didn't know then telling them
would be a better solution than lying as they would not be so inclined
to pass on false information to other customers.

If you are saying that one lie justifies another, then do you have any
problem with Argos's actions in Martin's scenario above??

If Argos are acting in ignorance of their obligations or pretending to
be ignorant, surely invoking ones rights is a better and more honourable
course of action than lying.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 11:50 am
From: "Theo_Delight@yahoo.co.uk"

On 10 Nov, 02:15, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> martin_pentre...@hotmail.com wrote
>
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >> You should look uphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Directive#Direct_Effect
> > Hello again Rod,
> > Thanks for that, but I don't think you've understood it.
>
> Corse I did.

What has Corsica to do with this?

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TOPIC: Discount item scalping
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 2:09 pm
From: BrotherSandMonkey

Is this a fair practice? Arab-owned and Asian Indian-owned food marker
dealers are purchasing sufficient quantities, of food items from
discount srores as Aldi and Save A Lot, and
stocking them in their own stores with a boost in price? Then they
expect cusromers to buy them along with Name Brand items (which are
also higher in price but that is understood.).

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 2:48 pm
From: clams casino

BrotherSandMonkey wrote:

>Is this a fair practice? Arab-owned and Asian Indian-owned food marker
>dealers are purchasing sufficient quantities, of food items from
>discount srores as Aldi and Save A Lot, and
>stocking them in their own stores with a boost in price? Then they
>expect cusromers to buy them along with Name Brand items (which are
>also higher in price but that is understood.).
>
>
>

Unfortunately, Walmart does the same thing - they buy goods, mark up
the price and then sell them along side name brand goods.

Come to think of it, Home Depot, Sears, Target, Staples and Gap do the
same unfair practice of marking up the price on goods they buy.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 3:07 pm
From: "catalpa"

"BrotherSandMonkey" <blinker@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
news:1194732550.578382.134050@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> Is this a fair practice? Arab-owned and Asian Indian-owned food marker
> dealers are purchasing sufficient quantities, of food items from
> discount srores as Aldi and Save A Lot, and
> stocking them in their own stores with a boost in price? Then they
> expect cusromers to buy them along with Name Brand items (which are
> also higher in price but that is understood.).
>

What businesses sell items every day at their own cost?

What stops the customers from going to Aldi or Save A Lot?

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 3:23 pm
From: "Don K"

That is not scalping.

Scalping is when someone corners the market on something and charges
many times the original purchase price.

Mark-up is when someone buys goods and resells them at a higher price
sufficient to make a reasonable profit.

All stores engage in mark-up. It has nothing to do with ethnicity.

Don

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 3:31 pm
From: clams casino

catalpa wrote:

>>
>>
>
>What businesses sell items every day at their own cost?
>
>
>
Many inexperienced eBay sellers (frequently below their real costs when
they are ignorant of their real costs)..

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 3:51 pm
From: aemeijers

drydem wrote:
> On Nov 8, 3:34 pm, Joe <useful_in...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Video viahttp://Muvy.org
>
> which points to ...
>
> FLIR thermal infrared imaging home inspection, energy camera
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=jXPXE0qsmjg
>
>
> fyi: In the above video the IR inspection company
> is using the following tool
>
> RAZIR (Sierra Pacific Innovations) FLIR camera
> http://www.thermcam.com/
>
> I saw this particular FLIR camera priced
> at 12,499.00 USD by this one particular
> instrumentation company and they were
> also charging 145.00 usd for a spare battery!
>
> Fluke Ti20 at 6495 USD was less expensive but
> its does not do all the fancy things that the RAZIR
> does ( the RAZIR connect to your laptop with a USB
> port)
>
Now if I could just find a company in this small town that had one (ANY
sort of IR camera), and could come out and do a walkaround for me. It'd
be worth a C-note to me to be able to target my limited repair funds at
the worst leaks.

aem sends...

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 4:29 pm
From: danny burstein

In <%trZi.13114$if6.9671@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> aemeijers <aemeijers@att.net> writes:
>>
>Now if I could just find a company in this small town that had one (ANY
>sort of IR camera), and could come out and do a walkaround for me. It'd
>be worth a C-note to me to be able to target my limited repair funds at
>the worst leaks.

For the hell of it, call your local fire department
folk. They just might have one.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 1:29 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Joe <really-faked-but-works@yunx.com> wrote

>>> Okay... This feels like the most "troll-like" post I've ever
>>> posted here, but I assure you, the question is legitimate and comes from me recently reading the "US Army Survival
>>> Manual" I bought at a book sale this summer.

>> Corse you would say that if you were trolling...

>>> On page 26 of section 3, it says you can use the following remedies to treat an intestinal problem caused by
>>> parasites:

>>> 1.) Saltwater. Mix 4 tablespoons of salt in 1 quart of water and drink. Do not repeat this treatment

>> Pointless using this approach when more effective ways of dealing
>> with intestinal parasites are available and arent expensive.

> This is the US Army Survival Manual.

What I said using different words in what you deleted from the quoting.

> It's a book which has stuff like 12 ways to get fresh water in the desert or when stranded on an island. Fresh water
> is normally cheap and available. This book is about what to do when the usual conditions don't apply.

What I said using different words in what you deleted from the quoting.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 8:53 am
From: TH O

In article <5pkq43Fr8v5bU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> Joe <really-faked-but-works@yunx.com> wrote:
>
> > Okay... This feels like the most "troll-like" post I've ever posted here,
> > but I assure you, the question is
> > legitimate and comes from me recently reading the "US Army Survival Manual"
> > I bought at a book sale this summer.
>
> Corse you would say that if you were trolling...
>
> > On page 26 of section 3, it says you can use the following remedies to
> > treat an intestinal problem caused by
> > parasites:
>
> > 1.) Saltwater. Mix 4 tablespoons of salt in 1 quart of water and drink.
> > Do not repeat this treatment
>
> Pointless using this approach when more effective ways of dealing
> with intestinal parasites are available and arent expensive.
>
> > Thoughts: Okay... This I can understand sorta... Makes a solution that
> > is absorbed by the parasites I suppose.
>
> Or kills them in theory, anyway.
>
> > 2.) Tobacco. Eat 1 to 1.5 cigarettes. The nicotine in the cigarette will
> > kill or stun the worms long enough for
> > your system to pass them. If the infestation is severe, repeat the
> > treatment in 24-48 hours, but not sooner.
>
> Stupid using this approach when more effective ways of dealing
> with intestinal parasites are available and arent expensive.
>
> > Thoughts: I can see this working. Having swallowed a cigarette once
> > when I was 16 or 17, I'd say this is probably really uncomfortable...
> > But I guess the parasitic infection is too.
>
> Not necessarily, some are symptom free.
>
> > 3.) Hot peppers. Peppers are effective only if they are a steady part of
> > your diet. You can eat them raw or put them
> > in soups or rice and meat dishes.
>
> Mindlessly silly.
>
> > Thoughts: Jalapeno good enough or do I have to take it to the Habanero or
> > even beyond to the Naga level hot peppers?
>
> > 4.) Kerosene. Drink 2 tablespoons of kerosene but no more. If
> > necessary, you can repeat this treatment in 24-48 hours but no sooner.
>
> Even more stupid using this approach when more effective ways of
> dealing with intestinal parasites are available and arent expensive.
>
> > Thoughts: Wow. Siphoning gasoline tastes bad when you mess up. I can't
> > imagine what kerosene tastes like...
>
> Not as bad, its not as volatile.
>
> > I also can't imagine that doing this often is very good for you or your
> > kidneys, liver, intestines, stomach, tongue,
> > throat, or arse.
>
> Yeah, its a stupid approach if the usual treatment for intestinal
> parasites is available, and it always is except in the situation
> that manual was written for, even in third world countrys.
>
> And it makes a hell of a lot more sense to avoid getting intestinal parasites
> in the first place by using any of the obvious ways to ensure that.
>
> > Who tests this stuff?!?
>
> Presumably that crap was tested at vast expense to the US taxpayer using
> suckers that didnt have any real choice as far as being victims was
> concerned.

This is a *SURVIVAL* manual. What part of that don't you get?

They didn't put this stuff in there if it was bull. The kerosene remedy
was supposedly used in WWII POW camps for tapeworms when the POWs
couldn't access medication.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 3:04 am
From: clams casino

marierayne@gmail.com wrote:

>AutoInsuranceSelect
>
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>
>
>
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 3:48 am
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 3:48 am
From: "John Weiss"

"timeOday" <timeOday-UNSPAM@theknack.net> wrote...
>I spent about 20 minutes searching the web this evening and could NOT
> determine how much it would end up costing me per month if I drop my
> (analog) cable TV and just get Internet. It's very frustrating they
> won't just give straight answers.
>
> Anybody know? Or does it totally depend on how much competition they
> have in each city?

It will be about $10/month more than the current Internet portion of your
bill.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 4:51 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <kICdncmkVYI1zajanZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
timeOday <timeOday-UNSPAM@theknack.net> wrote:

> I spent about 20 minutes searching the web this evening and could NOT
> determine how much it would end up costing me per month if I drop my
> (analog) cable TV and just get Internet. It's very frustrating they
> won't just give straight answers.
>
> Anybody know? Or does it totally depend on how much competition they
> have in each city?

Just call Comcast's customer service during the week and ask. The last
time I asked, it was cheaper to keep basic TV service and Internet
service than to go with only Internet service.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 6:53 am
From: "Don K"

"Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-4C8642.07510510112007@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> In article <kICdncmkVYI1zajanZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> timeOday <timeOday-UNSPAM@theknack.net> wrote:
>
>> I spent about 20 minutes searching the web this evening and could NOT
>> determine how much it would end up costing me per month if I drop my
>> (analog) cable TV and just get Internet. It's very frustrating they
>> won't just give straight answers.
>>
>> Anybody know? Or does it totally depend on how much competition they
>> have in each city?
>
> Just call Comcast's customer service during the week and ask. The last
> time I asked, it was cheaper to keep basic TV service and Internet
> service than to go with only Internet service.

I noticed that also, that websites like Comcast and ATT Wireless are
organized to guide you to whatever services they're promoting, and
not to comprehensive pricing information about all the choices available.

Given that it's so difficult to find the things you want on their websites,
I agree that it's best to call them on the phone and ask.

Don

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 3:55 am
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 4:17 am
From: "Buddy"

Oh yeah Dave. And we see how THAT worked out last season. But dont fret. If
A-Rod comes over..... he can do for you what he did for us! (I am SO cruel
sometimes. LOL)

--
Buddy
from Brooklyn

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 4:19 am
From: "Buddy"

No, not THAT one. I think he was refering to a girl who lives in Brooklyn
Heights.

--
Buddy
from Brooklyn

"Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we
accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory
identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost
a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest,
revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither
maintain nor deserve freedom for long."
- Congressman Ron Paul, August 9, 2004
"Steven" <thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1194639355.792271.264880@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 9, 7:27 am, Audie Murphy's Ghost <takebackamer...@2008.com>
> wrote:
>> In article <1194589799.530213.161...@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> davefromhome <dvdspie...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > On Nov 8, 10:37 pm, Jamie <jann...@ihollister.net> wrote:
>> > > On Nov 8, 7:02 pm, davefromhome <dvdspie...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > Hey man I am already done with Xmas prep and I am on to easter.
>>
>> > > What? No Valentines? And no green for St. Patrick's Day? I hope
>> > > you don't get pinched or even threatened with a pinch. Never mind
>> > > New
>> > > Years, I can't even have a party for my birthday (January 11) since
>> > > it's too soon after Christmas.
>>
>> > > Jamie "a mini-Scrooge?" Ghione
>>
>> > Don't need to plan for Valentines Day (Don't worry, I have something
>> > for my wife though), don't need to plan for St Patty's Day and I'd be
>> > happy to celebrate your big day on January 11. But don't forget
>> > easter is very early this year, so my schedule is already whacked
>> > out. plus I have to begin to marshall all of my psychic energy for
>> > baseball season.
>>
>> I'm also a January 11, and I stopped even pretending to celebrate it
>> years ago. When I was a kid, there weren't any toys left in the
>> stores, so presents tended to be books and underwear. Everybody's
>> still in post-holiday depression mode on January 11, and the weather
>> tends to be terrible. I just ignore the day now, which drives my wife
>> a little nuts every year, but it's my non-party and I can whine if I
>> want to.
>>
>> It's St. Paddy's Day, BTW, and not Patty. Paddy is the diminutive form
>> of Patrick. Patty is some girl's identical cousin.
>
> Who is damn good with automatic weapons in banks.
>

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 4:22 am
From: "Buddy"

My sister's birthday, and now my grandson's is December 27. You wanna talk
about getting screwed?! "Here's your Christmas AND birthday gift!"

--
Buddy
from Brooklyn

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 7:56 am
From: Steven

On Nov 10, 5:19 am, "Buddy" <rosieonmych...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> No, not THAT one. I think he was refering to a girl who lives in Brooklyn
> Heights.
>
> --
> Buddy
> from Brooklyn
>
> "Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we
> accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory
> identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost
> a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest,
> revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither
> maintain nor deserve freedom for long."
> - Congressman Ron Paul, August 9, 2004"Steven" <thisjukeboxplays33...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1194639355.792271.264880@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Nov 9, 7:27 am, Audie Murphy's Ghost <takebackamer...@2008.com>
> > wrote:
> >> In article <1194589799.530213.161...@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >> davefromhome <dvdspie...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > On Nov 8, 10:37 pm, Jamie <jann...@ihollister.net> wrote:
> >> > > On Nov 8, 7:02 pm, davefromhome <dvdspie...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > Hey man I am already done with Xmas prep and I am on to easter.
>
> >> > > What? No Valentines? And no green for St. Patrick's Day? I hope
> >> > > you don't get pinched or even threatened with a pinch. Never mind
> >> > > New
> >> > > Years, I can't even have a party for my birthday (January 11) since
> >> > > it's too soon after Christmas.
>
> >> > > Jamie "a mini-Scrooge?" Ghione
>
> >> > Don't need to plan for Valentines Day (Don't worry, I have something
> >> > for my wife though), don't need to plan for St Patty's Day and I'd be
> >> > happy to celebrate your big day on January 11. But don't forget
> >> > easter is very early this year, so my schedule is already whacked
> >> > out. plus I have to begin to marshall all of my psychic energy for
> >> > baseball season.
>
> >> I'm also a January 11, and I stopped even pretending to celebrate it
> >> years ago. When I was a kid, there weren't any toys left in the
> >> stores, so presents tended to be books and underwear. Everybody's
> >> still in post-holiday depression mode on January 11, and the weather
> >> tends to be terrible. I just ignore the day now, which drives my wife
> >> a little nuts every year, but it's my non-party and I can whine if I
> >> want to.
>
> >> It's St. Paddy's Day, BTW, and not Patty. Paddy is the diminutive form
> >> of Patrick. Patty is some girl's identical cousin.
>
> > Who is damn good with automatic weapons in banks.

Ms. H COULDA BEEN from Brooklyn...

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 7:58 am
From: Steven

On Nov 10, 5:22 am, "Buddy" <rosieonmych...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

> My sister's birthday, and now my grandson's is December 27. You wanna talk
> about getting screwed?! "Here's your Christmas AND birthday gift!"

My birthday is June 26, so I spread it out every six month even.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 5:05 am
From: drydem

On Nov 8, 3:34 pm, Joe <useful_in...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Video viahttp://Muvy.org

which points to ...

FLIR thermal infrared imaging home inspection, energy camera
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jXPXE0qsmjg

fyi: In the above video the IR inspection company
is using the following tool

RAZIR (Sierra Pacific Innovations) FLIR camera
http://www.thermcam.com/

I saw this particular FLIR camera priced
at 12,499.00 USD by this one particular
instrumentation company and they were
also charging 145.00 usd for a spare battery!

Fluke Ti20 at 6495 USD was less expensive but
its does not do all the fancy things that the RAZIR
does ( the RAZIR connect to your laptop with a USB
port)

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 5:15 am
From: Jeff

Don K wrote:
> "Jon v Leipzig" <JVL@myday.com> wrote in message news:47317AA2.2040004@myday.com...
>
>
>>Electric blankets create a magnetic field that penetrates about 6-7 inches into the
>>body.
>
>
> It only penetrates 6 or 7 inches? What is stopping the field?

Not stopping the magnetic field but cancelling it. The closer the wires
are together the shorter the distance before it's field is cancelled by
an opposing field. Much as the reason why twisted pairs are used in data
lines (to prevent induced voltages from outside fields).

Newer PTC electric blankets have very low magnetic fields, but I do not
know what the actual standards are on current blankets. I had thought
reduced fields were mandated (in the US) but I can't find evidence of that.

Jeff

> The magnetic field from the earth goes straight thru your entire body.
> Likewise the fields from the wiring and electric devices in your house
> cut thru your entire body too.
>
> It's time to put on the mu-metal hat.
>
> Don
>
>

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 6:45 am
From: "Don K"

"Jeff" <dont_bug_me@all.uk> wrote in message news:13jbbcm63q1bpc4@corp.supernews.com...
> Don K wrote:
>> "Jon v Leipzig" <JVL@myday.com> wrote in message news:47317AA2.2040004@myday.com...
>>
>>>Electric blankets create a magnetic field that penetrates about 6-7 inches into the
>>>body.
>>
>> It only penetrates 6 or 7 inches? What is stopping the field?
>
> Not stopping the magnetic field but cancelling it. The closer the wires are together the
> shorter the distance before it's field is cancelled by an opposing field. Much as the
> reason why twisted pairs are used in data lines (to prevent induced voltages from
> outside fields).

I understand that, but I was nit-picking over the choice of words. The field is
strongest close in , but it extends out forever. It might make sense to talk about
the distance at which the field falls below ambient intensity, but the word
"penetrate" is somewhat misleading IMO.

> Newer PTC electric blankets have very low magnetic fields, but I do not know what the
> actual standards are on current blankets. I had thought reduced fields were mandated (in
> the US) but I can't find evidence of that.

From what I read in IEEE Explorer, PTC does work well to cancel fields,
but one of the federal regulating agencies won't approve its use in blankets
because there's a potential for higher leakage current.

Don

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 7:40 am
From: "Simon Finnigan"

"rainandsnow" <therainandsnow@NOTTHISBITyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:5pk748Frk0ncU1@mid.individual.net...
> Simon Finnigan wrote:
>> "rainandsnow" <therainandsnow@NOTTHISBITyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:5phnr5Fr2bdcU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> we are the robots wrote:
>>>> johngood_____ wrote:
>>>> <snip>
>>>> Just take it back and say you've only had it 'bout a week and haven't
>>>> got the receipt.
>>>> Works every time!
>>>
>>>
>>> But that is lying.
>>
>> As is saying you have no right to a replacement, which is the blanket
>> statement from the likes of Argos.
>
>
> Good point, but is it possible that the person at Argos saying that may
> believe it to be true?

Why would that be at all relevant? They are acting as a representative of
their company, and if their company has told them to say it, and they say
it, why would it matter what they thought?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 7:43 am
From: "cruise1travel@yahoo.com"

Why should you get your head blown of for practicing turning the other
cheek.

http://spiritofart123.blogspot.com

You practice mind over
matter and ignore the ugly little pest that is snarling at you yet he
continues. But your good intentions still get you killed. It is an
awful world we live in. You are damned if you do and damned if you
don't.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 7:44 am
From: eHDMI

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 7:57 am
From: George

eHDMI wrote:
> Free Sample of a Microfiber Towel!
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>
> Something a little different!
>

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 8:21 am
From: "shopbb.com"

Dear my friend
It is our pleasure to meet you here.
we are wholesaler sport shoes,clothing,electrons in Fujian of China.
our website: http://www.shopbb.com
We are professional and honest wholesaler of all kinds of brand
sneaks and apparel.the products
our company supply are as follows:
1).Nike Jordans
Jordan 1 jordan 1.5 jordan 2 jordan 3 jordan 3.5 jordan 4 jordan 5
jordan 5.5 jordan 6 jordan 6.5 jordan 7 jordan 8 jordan 9 jordan 9.5
jordan 10 jordan 11 jordan 12 jordan 13 jordan 13.5 jordan 14 jordan
15 jordan 16 jordan 17 jordan 18 jordan 18.5 jordan 19 jordan 20
jordan 21 jordan 21.5 jordan 22 jordan King jordan Dub Zero Jordan 23
Jordan 7.5
2).Air Force One Air Force one (low) Air Force one (High) Air Force
one (Mid) Air Force one (clear) Air Force One 25 year
3).SHOX Shox R3 Shox R4 Shox R5 Shox TL1 Shox TL2 Shox TL3 Shox NZ
Shox OZ Shox Turbo Show GO Shox CL Shox Coqnescenti Shox Energia Shox
Explodine Shox Monster Shox Rhythmic Shox Warrior
4).Bape Shoes Bape Bape (transparent)
5).Air max AirMax 90 AirMax 95 AirMax 97 AirMax 2003 AirMax 2004
AirMax 2005 Air Max 2006 AirMax 180 AirMax LTD AirMax TN AirMax solas
AirMax 87 AirMax Rift
6).Puma Puma Rpt2 Puma SK6 Puma Jayfi Puma Cir Puma Speed Puma Repli
Puma Future Cat Puma Mostro Puma Lifestyle
7).Dunk SB Dunk High Dunk Low
8).Timberland Timberland High Timberland Low
9).Adidas Adidas 35 Adicolor Country city sense Adidas NBA
11).Prada & Gucci Prada Gucci
12).Footballer Shoes Footballer
13).Locaste
14).converse & Reebok converse Reebok
15).D&G shoes
16).Dsquared2 shoes
17).James shoes
18).Nike King
9).Children shoes Jordan Shox
20).Women shoes Women Jordans Women Shox R3 Women Shox R4 Women AirMax
95&97 Women AirMax 03&06 Women Dunk Women Shox NZ Women AF1
21).sandal & baboosh Nike Puma Gucci Prada
CLOTHES 1).Bape 2).ED Hardy 3).BBC 4).CLH 5).LRG 6).Artful Dodger
Hoodies 7).GINO GREEN GLOBAL 8).10 Deep 9).A&F Coat 11).Jersey NBA
Jersey Football Jersey 12).Juicy Bikini 13).Adidas Coat 14).F1 Coat
15).D&G Coat 16).Superman Coat 17).NBA Coat
JEAN 1).E&D Jeans 2).BBC Jeans 3).BAPE Jeans 4).D&G Jeans 5).EVSIU
Jeans 6).Red monkey 7).COOGI Jeans
T-shirt 1).POLO 2007 polo(women) 2007 POLO IIII(Men) POLO (stripe)
polo (small )
2).Lacoste Lacoste (LONG) Lacoste (SHORT) 3).Name Brand shirt D&G
Shirt Giorgio Armani TN Shirt 4).BBC T-shirt 5).LRG & gina green
glalal 6).Triumvir 7).ED handy 8).Evsiu 9).R.M.B 10).CLOT
Burse & Handbag 1).LV Bag 2).Gucci Bag 3).Dior Bag 4).Chanel Bag
5).Fendi Bag 6).Coach Bag 7).Burberrys Bag 8).Prada Bag 9).Man Leisure
Bag 11).D&G bag 12).nike bag 13).Wallet 14).Suitcase
Electronics 1).Vertu Mobile 2).New iphone Mobile 3).Nokia Mobile
4).moto Mobile 5).PSP Game & memory card 6).Sony Mobile 7).Samsung
Mobile 8).Ipod nano 9).Sony PS3 10).Laptops IBM laptops DELL laptops
Sony laptops ASUS laptops
CAP 1).ED Hardy Cap 2).New Bape & NY Cap 3).RMC Cap 4).New era NBA
5).F1 6).Chanel 7).D&G 8).gucci 9).LV 10).Prada 11).PUMA 12).wool
WATCH 1).Rolex 2).Omega 3).Cartier 4).Chanel 5).Piaget 6).Breitling
7).Bvlgari 8).Corum
Sunglasses 1).Gucci Sunglasses 2).D&G Sunglasses 3).Dior Sunglasses
4).LV Sunglasses 5).Chanel Sunglasses 6).Prada Sunglasses 7).Versace
Sunglasses 8).Giorgio Armani
Strap 1).Bape Strap 2).D&G Strap 3).Gucci Strap 4).LV Strap 5).Scarf
Other 1).Lighter

size chart
Men Size:
US: 7 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 13 14 15
UK: 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 12 13 14
EUR: 40 41 42 42.5 43 44 44.5 45 45.5 46 47.5 48 49
Women Size:
US: 5 5.5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5
UK: 2.5 3 3.5 4 4.5 5 5.5 6
EUR: 35.5 36 36.5 37.5 38 38.5 39 40

Kid's
US: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5 13 13.5
UK: 13 1 2 3 4 5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5
EUR:17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 24.5 25 25.5 26 26.5 27 27.5 28 29 30 30.5
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Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

7.because the space of the website is limited,we can also supply many
other products which be not showed out in our site. if you have the
photos of the products you need , we are pleasure to supply for your
orders.
And our company can supply for our customers ,as follow:
1. top quality.all our products have top quality.
2. most rational price. we offer the most competitive price to you to
open your market. So today most of our products have sold well in the
America, Europe, Middle East, Southeast Asia etc..
3. safe and fast shipment. As different country you are in, we will
deliver the products to you by different ways and pledge to arrive to
your address 100%.and we will send the products to you within 24h
after we get your payment.
4.many products in stock. We have many products in stock and kinds of
size you need , also include kid's.
5.our credit. If the products can be not delivered to your address as
our reason, we will refund the money you paid.
Hope sincerely to have glad and long term business relationship with
you.
If you are interested in our products and have any problem, welcome
to
contact us.
Please trust us , we will be your best choice !!!
Website : http://www.shopbb.com
MSN and E-mail: shopbb@hotmail.com
Yahoo ID:mallinchina@yahoo.com.cn
Michael

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 8:27 am
From: "shopbb.com"

Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 8:44 am
From: Colin Wilson

> can anyone recommend a decent vacuum cleaner (cylinder one)? Do you
> know any useful and recent test/comparison made by some consumers
> association reporting the best buy ?

Nilfisk GM80

Not easy to find, but a recent reply from a regular to the same
question on uk.d-i-y said he used to work for them, and the odds are
if you're over 30, it'll last longer than you.

If you hunt around a bit, you can get them for about £180 IIRC.

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