Frugal Living: Jan 19, 2011

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TOPIC: Walkable, bikeable cities
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 17 2011 8:22 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Jan 18, 11:10 pm, Forrest Hodge <f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/17/2011 10:54 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of
>
>
>
>
>
> the deep jungle wrote:
> > On Jan 18, 10:06 pm, Forrest Hodge<f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 1/17/2011 8:25 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the
>
> >> deep jungle wrote:
> >>> On Jan 18, 4:41 pm, Forrest Hodge<f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 1/17/2011 3:44 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the
>
> >>>> deep jungle wrote:
> >>>>> (It's not my fault if you don't live in a walkable community. But it
> >>>>> was a little of a surprise to me that we are such a friendly place)
>
> >>>>> Yep, Miami is one of the most walkable cities in the country...
>
> >>>>>http://www.walkscore.com/FL
>
> >>>>> It's a close runner-up at 72 after Miami Beach which has a 75. NYC
> >>>>> which would be expected to be high is 84, probably #1 . Most other
> >>>>> places in this country are nearly unwalkable, so we must be proud! I
> >>>>> can understand the little community of South Beach is walkable, but
> >>>>> Miami!? WHERE ARE THE PEDESTRIANS? :ohoh:
>
> >>>>> Here's a casual list of things you may find in Miami as a pedestrian:
>
> >>>>> 1- Mad drivers,
>
> >>>>> 2- Mad dogs that bite (usually behind fences),
>
> >>>>> 3- No shade anywhere,
>
> >>>>> 4- NO SIDEWALKS in many places,
>
> >>>>> 5- NO PEOPLE,
>
> >>>>> 6- Long, long distances,
>
> >>>>> These long distance may easily be negotiable by bike, but the mad
> >>>>> drivers and mad dogs may be even more hostile to "pedestrians with
> >>>>> wings" (my metaphor). The saying goes, "BS walks and money
> >>>>> talks" (usually it buys you an SUV, which is the real way to get
> >>>>> around in Miami). ;)
>
> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >>>>> THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> >>>>> "Walkable, bikeable communities are a Utopia that we may get before
> >>>>> the end of the world. Or perhaps the midnight clock (Doomsday Clock)
> >>>>> is ticking for us because we have lost meaning in life. Whatever."
>
> >>>>>http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> >>>> Interesting, the two nearest towns to me have 69 walkscore and whopping
> >>>> 92 walkscore. Still I'll keep my 2 acre lot and simply drive the 5 miles
> >>>> to the nearest grocery store. I like living in a place with relatively
> >>>> low population density.
>
> >>> Being a misanthropist is not a crime, right?
>
> >>> I like space when I have bad people around me.
>
> >> I don't recall ever mentioning that I hate people.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > That's why people move to the suburbs, right? "Low --select--
> > population density."
>
> Possibly. I live where I live because I enjoy the short commute to work,
> the near complete absence of crime, relatively low taxes, and general
> convenience.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The idea is NOT totally crazy if you ride a bike instead of the
standard SUV.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 7:52 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Jan 18, 10:23 am, "ranjit_math...@yahoo.com"
<ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 17, 4:39 pm, Walt <wka...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > The big problems I see with having walkable/bikeable cities.
>
> > 1. If the temp is much above 20C you will be sweaty/stinky when you
> > get to work.
>
> Employer provided shower stalls for bicyclists!
>
> > 2. People want to have more open living space than they need and more
> > space for stuff they barely if ever use.
>
> Not all people want the same things. Be that as it may, if bicycle
> paths were (hypothetically) as ubiquitous as motorable roads, would
> living in a suburb prevent commuting by bicycle?
>
> > 3. Multi-household dwellings are not built to be insulated from
> > external noise or maybe we have become culturally noise intolerant.
>
> Good observation. Can they not be thus insulated?
>
> > 4. People want yards that to me seem like useless time and money
> > pits, maybe this is related to #3, it's a way to isolate oneself from
> > the noise of others.
>
> > 5. Cities save money by having people who should be in jail or
> > otherwise institutionalized ride public transportation all day.
>
> Might they save still more money by having people who should be
> hunting game ride public transportation all day, keeping an eye on
> these people who should be jailbirds.

That's more like my line of thinking but I was too lazy to answer.
Thanks!

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 11:26 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Jan 18, 2:16 pm, Mike Jones <l...@dasteem.invalid> wrote:
> Responding to His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep
> jungle:
>
>
>
> > (It's not my fault if you don't live in a walkable community. But it was
> > a little of a surprise to me that we are such a friendly place. Don't
> > ask me why the Christians hate walking or biking)
>
> > Yep, Miami is one of the most walkable cities in the country...
>
> >http://www.walkscore.com/FL
>
> > It's a close runner-up at 72 after Miami Beach which has a 75. NYC which
> > would be expected to be high is 84, probably #1 . Most other places in
> > this country are nearly unwalkable, so we must be proud! I can
> > understand the little community of South Beach is walkable, but Miami!?
> > WHERE ARE THE PEDESTRIANS? :ohoh:
>
> > Here's a casual list of things you may find in Miami as a pedestrian:
>
> > 1- Mad drivers,
>
> > 2- Mad dogs that bite (usually behind fences),
>
> > 3- No shade anywhere,
>
> > 4- NO SIDEWALKS in many places,
>
> > 5- NO PEOPLE,
>
> > 6- Long, long distances,
>
> > These long distance may easily be negotiable by bike, but the mad
> > drivers and mad dogs may be even more hostile to "pedestrians with
> > wings" (my metaphor). The saying goes, "BS walks and money talks"
> > (usually it buys you an SUV, which is the real way to get around in
> > Miami). ;)
>
> If you want a nice (re)designed to be bike-friendly place, try Berlin.
>
> It does help if somebody bombs the shit out of a place to create an
> opportunity to improve things.

Maybe not. Around here they know to waste money but not how to get it
right.

Do we need the legendary German engineering?

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 19 2011 2:00 pm
From: Forrest Hodge

On 1/17/2011 11:22 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of
the deep jungle wrote:
> On Jan 18, 11:10 pm, Forrest Hodge<f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 1/17/2011 10:54 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> the deep jungle wrote:
>>> On Jan 18, 10:06 pm, Forrest Hodge<f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 1/17/2011 8:25 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the
>>
>>>> deep jungle wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 18, 4:41 pm, Forrest Hodge<f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/17/2011 3:44 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the
>>
>>>>>> deep jungle wrote:
>>>>>>> (It's not my fault if you don't live in a walkable community. But it
>>>>>>> was a little of a surprise to me that we are such a friendly place)
>>
>>>>>>> Yep, Miami is one of the most walkable cities in the country...
>>
>>>>>>> http://www.walkscore.com/FL
>>
>>>>>>> It's a close runner-up at 72 after Miami Beach which has a 75. NYC
>>>>>>> which would be expected to be high is 84, probably #1 . Most other
>>>>>>> places in this country are nearly unwalkable, so we must be proud! I
>>>>>>> can understand the little community of South Beach is walkable, but
>>>>>>> Miami!? WHERE ARE THE PEDESTRIANS? :ohoh:
>>
>>>>>>> Here's a casual list of things you may find in Miami as a pedestrian:
>>
>>>>>>> 1- Mad drivers,
>>
>>>>>>> 2- Mad dogs that bite (usually behind fences),
>>
>>>>>>> 3- No shade anywhere,
>>
>>>>>>> 4- NO SIDEWALKS in many places,
>>
>>>>>>> 5- NO PEOPLE,
>>
>>>>>>> 6- Long, long distances,
>>
>>>>>>> These long distance may easily be negotiable by bike, but the mad
>>>>>>> drivers and mad dogs may be even more hostile to "pedestrians with
>>>>>>> wings" (my metaphor). The saying goes, "BS walks and money
>>>>>>> talks" (usually it buys you an SUV, which is the real way to get
>>>>>>> around in Miami). ;)
>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>>>>>> THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>>
>>>>>>> "Walkable, bikeable communities are a Utopia that we may get before
>>>>>>> the end of the world. Or perhaps the midnight clock (Doomsday Clock)
>>>>>>> is ticking for us because we have lost meaning in life. Whatever."
>>
>>>>>>> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>>
>>>>>> Interesting, the two nearest towns to me have 69 walkscore and whopping
>>>>>> 92 walkscore. Still I'll keep my 2 acre lot and simply drive the 5 miles
>>>>>> to the nearest grocery store. I like living in a place with relatively
>>>>>> low population density.
>>
>>>>> Being a misanthropist is not a crime, right?
>>
>>>>> I like space when I have bad people around me.
>>
>>>> I don't recall ever mentioning that I hate people.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>> That's why people move to the suburbs, right? "Low --select--
>>> population density."
>>
>> Possibly. I live where I live because I enjoy the short commute to work,
>> the near complete absence of crime, relatively low taxes, and general
>> convenience.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> The idea is NOT totally crazy if you ride a bike instead of the
> standard SUV.

Riding a bike isn't feasible for the morning and afternoon commute. Two
land roads with no shoulder to speak of with typical speeds of 45-55
MPH. During the weekends or during off-peak hours, then it's pretty
doable.But at those times, other than exercise there's no practical
reason to bike out that way. If I want to bicycle for pleasure or
exercise there are plenty of back country roads out here to do so.
During a 60 minute ride you might encounter maybe 3 or 4 cars total.
Beats dodging cars, trucks, and pedestrians in the city if you ask me.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 4:30 pm
From: SMS

On 1/17/2011 12:44 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of
the deep jungle wrote:
> (It's not my fault if you don't live in a walkable community. But it
> was a little of a surprise to me that we are such a friendly place)
>
> Yep, Miami is one of the most walkable cities in the country...
>
> http://www.walkscore.com/FL
>
> It's a close runner-up at 72 after Miami Beach which has a 75. NYC
> which would be expected to be high is 84, probably #1 . Most other
> places in this country are nearly unwalkable, so we must be proud! I
> can understand the little community of South Beach is walkable, but
> Miami!? WHERE ARE THE PEDESTRIANS? :ohoh:

Lots of cities have areas that are very walkable if you choose the right
area of the city. My city varies from 0 to 83, and I'm at 77. Those that
want the mansions up in the hills have a score of 0 and they have to
drive _everywhere_. Those with the more modest homes down near the city
center can walk lots of places. It's a choice we all make.

That web site has some major problems. One place I used to live that
should be close to 100 is at 75. You can walk to just about anything
you'd need, including a light rail stop which doesn't even show up.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 4:30 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Jan 19, 5:00 pm, Forrest Hodge <f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/17/2011 11:22 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of
>
>
>
> the deep jungle wrote:
> > On Jan 18, 11:10 pm, Forrest Hodge<f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 1/17/2011 10:54 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of
>
> >> the deep jungle wrote:
> >>> On Jan 18, 10:06 pm, Forrest Hodge<f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 1/17/2011 8:25 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the
>
> >>>> deep jungle wrote:
> >>>>> On Jan 18, 4:41 pm, Forrest Hodge<f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 1/17/2011 3:44 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the
>
> >>>>>> deep jungle wrote:
> >>>>>>> (It's not my fault if you don't live in a walkable community. But it
> >>>>>>> was a little of a surprise to me that we are such a friendly place)
>
> >>>>>>> Yep, Miami is one of the most walkable cities in the country...
>
> >>>>>>>http://www.walkscore.com/FL
>
> >>>>>>> It's a close runner-up at 72 after Miami Beach which has a 75. NYC
> >>>>>>> which would be expected to be high is 84, probably #1 . Most other
> >>>>>>> places in this country are nearly unwalkable, so we must be proud! I
> >>>>>>> can understand the little community of South Beach is walkable, but
> >>>>>>> Miami!? WHERE ARE THE PEDESTRIANS? :ohoh:
>
> >>>>>>> Here's a casual list of things you may find in Miami as a pedestrian:
>
> >>>>>>> 1- Mad drivers,
>
> >>>>>>> 2- Mad dogs that bite (usually behind fences),
>
> >>>>>>> 3- No shade anywhere,
>
> >>>>>>> 4- NO SIDEWALKS in many places,
>
> >>>>>>> 5- NO PEOPLE,
>
> >>>>>>> 6- Long, long distances,
>
> >>>>>>> These long distance may easily be negotiable by bike, but the mad
> >>>>>>> drivers and mad dogs may be even more hostile to "pedestrians with
> >>>>>>> wings" (my metaphor). The saying goes, "BS walks and money
> >>>>>>> talks" (usually it buys you an SUV, which is the real way to get
> >>>>>>> around in Miami). ;)
>
> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >>>>>>> THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> >>>>>>> "Walkable, bikeable communities are a Utopia that we may get before
> >>>>>>> the end of the world. Or perhaps the midnight clock (Doomsday Clock)
> >>>>>>> is ticking for us because we have lost meaning in life. Whatever."
>
> >>>>>>>http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> >>>>>> Interesting, the two nearest towns to me have 69 walkscore and whopping
> >>>>>> 92 walkscore. Still I'll keep my 2 acre lot and simply drive the 5 miles
> >>>>>> to the nearest grocery store. I like living in a place with relatively
> >>>>>> low population density.
>
> >>>>> Being a misanthropist is not a crime, right?
>
> >>>>> I like space when I have bad people around me.
>
> >>>> I don't recall ever mentioning that I hate people.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>> That's why people move to the suburbs, right? "Low --select--
> >>> population density."
>
> >> Possibly. I live where I live because I enjoy the short commute to work,
> >> the near complete absence of crime, relatively low taxes, and general
> >> convenience.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > The idea is NOT totally crazy if you ride a bike instead of the
> > standard SUV.
>
> Riding a bike isn't feasible for the morning and afternoon commute. Two
> land roads with no shoulder to speak of with typical speeds of 45-55
> MPH. During the weekends or during off-peak hours, then it's pretty
> doable.But at those times, other than exercise there's no practical
> reason to bike out that way. If I want to bicycle for pleasure or
> exercise there are plenty of back country roads out here to do so.
> During a 60 minute ride you might encounter maybe 3 or 4 cars total.
> Beats dodging cars, trucks, and pedestrians in the city if you ask me.

I'm aware of all those problems and I have similar ones along the most
scenic and practical routes. But the bicycle should be able to solve
many problems associated with the sprawl, starting with the LACK OF
SIDEWALKS.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 6:54 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Jan 18, 8:05 pm, Mike Jones <l...@dasteem.invalid> wrote:
> Responding to His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep
> jungle:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 18, 2:16 pm, Mike Jones <l...@dasteem.invalid> wrote:
> >> Responding to His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep
> >> jungle:
>
> >> > (It's not my fault if you don't live in a walkable community. But it
> >> > was a little of a surprise to me that we are such a friendly place.
> >> > Don't ask me why the Christians hate walking or biking)
>
> >> > Yep, Miami is one of the most walkable cities in the country...
>
> >> >http://www.walkscore.com/FL
>
> >> > It's a close runner-up at 72 after Miami Beach which has a 75. NYC
> >> > which would be expected to be high is 84, probably #1 . Most other
> >> > places in this country are nearly unwalkable, so we must be proud! I
> >> > can understand the little community of South Beach is walkable, but
> >> > Miami!? WHERE ARE THE PEDESTRIANS? :ohoh:
>
> >> > Here's a casual list of things you may find in Miami as a pedestrian:
>
> >> > 1- Mad drivers,
>
> >> > 2- Mad dogs that bite (usually behind fences),
>
> >> > 3- No shade anywhere,
>
> >> > 4- NO SIDEWALKS in many places,
>
> >> > 5- NO PEOPLE,
>
> >> > 6- Long, long distances,
>
> >> > These long distance may easily be negotiable by bike, but the mad
> >> > drivers and mad dogs may be even more hostile to "pedestrians with
> >> > wings" (my metaphor). The saying goes, "BS walks and money talks"
> >> > (usually it buys you an SUV, which is the real way to get around in
> >> > Miami). ;)
>
> >> If you want a nice (re)designed to be bike-friendly place, try Berlin.
>
> >> It does help if somebody bombs the shit out of a place to create an
> >> opportunity to improve things.
>
> > Maybe not. Around here they know to waste money but not how to get it
> > right.
>
> > Do we need the legendary German engineering?
>
> Don't forget the British bombs.

The Germans got tired of war and went into engineering. But the
British and Americans are still playing that primitive game. I think
Christian influence is at work too, not in engineering but in war.

But maybe I'm wrong.

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Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 2:30 am
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Accounting Information Systems, 9th Edition 2012,
Gelinas.Dull.Wheeler, Solutions Manual

Accounting Information Systems, 9th Edition 2012,
Gelinas.Dull.Wheeler, Test Bank

Accounting, 24th Edition, Warren.Reeve.Duchac, Solutions Manual

Accounting, 24th Edition, Warren.Reeve.Duchac, Test Bank

Accounting; Text and Cases, 13th Edition 2011,
Anthony.Hawkins.Merchant, Instructor Manual & Solutions Manual

Accounting; Tools for Business Decision Makers, 4th Edition,
Kimmel.Weygandt.Kieso, Instructor Manual & Solutions Manual

Accounting; Tools for Business Decision Makers, 4th Edition,
Kimmel.Weygandt.Kieso, Test Bank

Adobe Dreamweaver CS5 Illustrated, 1st Edition 2011, Sherry Bishop,
Instructor Manual & Solutions Manual

Adobe Dreamweaver CS5 Illustrated, 1st Edition 2011, Sherry Bishop,
Test Bank

Adobe Dreamweaver CS5 Revealed, 1st Edition 2011, Sherry Bishop,
Instructor Manual & Solutions Manual

Adobe Dreamweaver CS5 Revealed, 1st Edition 2011, Sherry Bishop, Test
Bank

Adobe Flash CS5 Revealed, 1st Edition 2011, Jim Shuman, Instructor
Manual & Solutions Manual

Adobe Flash CS5 Revealed, 1st Edition 2011, Jim Shuman, Test Bank

Adobe Flash Professional CS5 Illustrated_Introductory, 1st Edition
2011, Waxer, Instructor Manual & Solutions Manual

Adobe Flash Professional CS5 Illustrated_Introductory, 1st Edition
2011, Waxer, Test Bank

Adober Photoshopr CS5 Revealed, 1st Edition 2011, Elizabeth Eisner
Reding, Instructor Manual & Solutions Manual

Adober Photoshopr CS5 Revealed, 1st Edition 2011, Elizabeth Eisner
Reding, Test Bank

America Past and Present_Combined Volume, 9th Edition,
Divine.Breen.Fredrickson.Williams.Gross.Brands, Instructor Manual

America Past and Present_Combined Volume, 9th Edition,
Divine.Breen.Fredrickson.Williams.Gross.Brands, Test Bank

America Past and Present_Volume 1 (to 1877), 8th Edition,
Divine.Breen.Fredrickson.Williams.Gross.Brands, Instructor Manual

America Past and Present_Volume 1 (to 1877), 8th Edition,
Divine.Breen.Fredrickson.Williams.Gross.Brands, Instructor Manual,
Test Bank

Archetypes of Wisdom; An Introduction to Philosophy, 7th Edition,
Soccio, Instructor Manual

Archetypes of Wisdom; An Introduction to Philosophy, 7th Edition,
Soccio, Test Bank

Auditing and Assurance Service; Understanding the Integrated Audit,
1st Edition, Hooks, Instructor Manual & Solutions Manual

Auditing and Assurance Service; Understanding the Integrated Audit,
1st Edition, Hooks, Test Bank

Basic College Mathematics, 2nd Edition, Miller.O'Neill.Hyde,
Instructor Manual & Solutions Manual

Basic College Mathematics, 2nd Edition, Miller.O'Neill.Hyde, Test Bank

Basic Marketing; A Marketing Strategy Planning Approach, 18th Edition
2011, Perreault.Cannon.McCarthy, Instructor Manual & Solutions Manual

Basic Marketing; A Marketing Strategy Planning Approach, 18th Edition
2011, Perreault.Cannon.McCarthy, Test Bank

Basic Statistics; Tales of Distributions, 10th Edition 2011, Chris
Spatz, Test Bank

Becoming a Master Manager; A Competing Values Approach, 5th Edition,
Quinn.Faerman.Thompson.McGrath.Clair, Instructor Manual

Becoming a Master Manager; A Competing Values Approach, 5th Edition,
Quinn.Faerman.Thompson.McGrath.Clair, Test Bank

Beginning Algebra, 3rd Edition, Miller.O'Neill.Hyde, Instructor Manual
& Solutions Manual

Beginning Algebra, 3rd Edition, Miller.O'Neill.Hyde, Test Bank

Beginning and Intermediate Algebra, 3rd Edition 2011,
Miller.O'Neill.Hyde, Instructor Manual & Solutions Manual

Beginning and Intermediate Algebra, 3rd Edition 2011,
Miller.O'Neill.Hyde, Test Bank

Behavior Modification; What It Is and How To Do It, 9th Edition,
Martin.Pear, Instructor Manual

Behavior Modification; What It Is and How To Do It, 9th Edition,
Martin.Pear, Test Bank

Biochemistry, 4th Edition, Voet.Voet, Instructor Manual

Biochemistry, 4th Edition, Voet.Voet, Test Bank

Biopsychology, 8th Edition 2011, Pinel, Instructor Manual

Biopsychology, 8th Edition 2011, Pinel, Test Bank

Business Communication; Process and Product, 7th Edition,
Guffey.Loewy, Instructor Manual & Solutions Manual

Business Communication; Process and Product, 7th Edition,
Guffey.Loewy, Test Bank

Business Driven Information Systems, 2nd Edition, Baltzan.Phillips,
Instructor Manual & Solutions Manual

Business Driven Information Systems, 2nd Edition, Baltzan.Phillips,
Test Bank

Business Driven Technology, 4th Edition, Baltzan.Phillips, Instructor
Manual

Business Driven Technology, 4th Edition, Baltzan.Phillips, Test Bank

Business Ethics; Decision Making for Personal Integrity & Social
Responsibility, 2nd Edition 2011, Hartman.DesJardins, Instructor
Manual

Business Ethics; Decision Making for Personal Integrity & Social
Responsibility, 2nd Edition 2011, Hartman.DesJardins, Test Bank

Business Law; Text and Cases; Legal_Ethical_Global_and Corporate
Environment, 12th Edition, Clarkson.Miller.Cross, Instructor Manual &
Solutions Manual

Business Law; Text and Cases; Legal_Ethical_Global_and Corporate
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TOPIC: Double charging
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/30bae3ee1b7b5769?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 8:36 am
From: George

On 1/17/2011 7:41 PM, MAS wrote:
> On 1/17/2011 1:24 PM, Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
>> Just because the checker was smart enough to land a job as a checker,
>> doesn't mean she is someone I want to talk to. More things should be
>> self serve.
>
> That sounds a bit snobby, but perhaps not intended to be that way. I
> don't believe anyone is beneath anyone else when it comes to
> conversation, and I have come to know a couple of very interesting
> cashiers quite well. Some of them don't work there just because they're
> "smart enough." Some are retired and just like doing it because they're
> people persons.
>
> Marsha

Aside from what you noted a lot of people really haven't kept up with
changing times. We now have a largely "service economy". Good
manufacturing (and other) jobs are gone. Cashiers and other jobs like
that are now careers for folks since there is no other choice.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 10:17 am
From: "Rod Speed"

George wrote
> MAS wrote
>> Mrs Irish Mike wrote

>>> Just because the checker was smart enough to land a job as a
>>> checker, doesn't mean she is someone I want to talk to. More things
>>> should be self serve.

>> That sounds a bit snobby, but perhaps not intended to be that way. I
>> don't believe anyone is beneath anyone else when it comes to
>> conversation, and I have come to know a couple of very interesting
>> cashiers quite well. Some of them don't work there just because
>> they're "smart enough." Some are retired and just like doing it
>> because they're people persons.

> Aside from what you noted a lot of people really haven't kept up with changing times. We now have a largely "service
> economy".

Yes.

> Good manufacturing (and other) jobs are gone.

Nope. Most obviously with the aircraft industry, car industry,
pharmaceuticals, movies, music, software, etc etc etc.

> Cashiers and other jobs like that are now careers for folks since there is no other choice.

Corse there is still even more choice than there ever was, most obviously
with doctors, teachers, engineers, construction, manufacturing, and hordes
of new stuff like google, twitter, facebook, etc etc etc which all still need people.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 10:31 am
From: SMS

On 1/16/2011 7:34 AM, KenK wrote:
> I got home yesterday and, checking the receipt, found I had been charged
> twice for two items - $6 extra.<SIGH> This was one of those things - cat
> litter - where you peel off one the labels and they scan it instead of
> putting the heavy items on the belt. I'm sure they wouldn't believe me if I
> complained now. This, though very rare, is not the first time. What's the
> solution? Read the long list of items on the receipt before you leave the
> checkout? Hard to do for thirty or so items, especially with the hard-to-
> decipher abbreviations on the slip. Or watch them print out as scanned?
> Hard to remember the whole list so as to catch the very rare duplicate?
> <sigh> Or concentrate on scanned removed labels? I think we, at least I,
> am/are stuck.

Most of the stores that I shop at would probably believe you. If they
have video surveillance in the store they could look at the time on your
receipt and look at what was in your cart. A big bag of cat litter
should show up.

While I no longer stop for the exit checks at stores like Fry's, I
remember that they did once catch a double charge on the receipt. Costco
doesn't really check the receipt very carefully. I got home once and
found that I had not been charged for an item.

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TOPIC: Hiking Boots
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/93e5637da7657a52?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 9:57 am
From: SMS

On 1/6/2011 3:19 PM, fastfreddy wrote:
> Anyone give their recommendations for a good place to find good hiking
> boots and brand of boot for humid tropical climates where it rains alot?
> Something that breathes and can be made waterproof also. Something that you
> can walk a long ways in and still not get blisters. I am guessing leather
> uppers with maybe Vibram soles, but I don't really know. Is it even
> possible to have waterproof boots that still breath, maybe not?

Look for:

-Full grain leather upper. Not nubuck, not fabric.
-Goretex lining. Never buy hiking boots that are not Goretex lined.
-Vibram sole. Accept no substitutes.

These won't be inexpensive of course. I.e.
<http://www.rei.com/product/693828>. I got these when they were on sale
a few years ago for around $160.

Also be careful to buy the proper width (higher end boots come in
different widths), and wear the proper socks that help avoid blisters.

Another excellent boot is this one
<http://www.danner.com/boots/mountain-lighttm-ii-mens-womens-hiking-boots.html>
but it seems to be impossible to buy it anywhere except on-line. I had a
pair that I got at REI but they wore out after 20 years and REI doesn't
carry them anymore. The big advantage of this boot is that the sole is
stitched, rather than glued, which is very rare these days. These boots
are still made in the U.S.A. too.

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TOPIC: Expiration dates on those small MacDonald's packages
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 12:28 pm
From: noel888

We don't visit the fast food places very often, but when we do, we
take some of those small ketchup, mayonaise, mustard packages home.
The other day, we were making turkey sandwiches and looked for the
mayonaise packet. Upon squeezing it open, the coloring didn't look
appetizing..sort of opaque looking. So we thought it expired, not
knowing how long we kept it in the pantry, and threw it out and ate a
turkey sandwich 'straight'..no mustard, ketchup and etc..Do they go
bad? There are no expiration dates on them.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 12:48 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

noel888 wrote:

> We don't visit the fast food places very often, but when we do, we
> take some of those small ketchup, mayonaise, mustard packages home.
> The other day, we were making turkey sandwiches and looked for the
> mayonaise packet. Upon squeezing it open, the coloring didn't look
> appetizing..sort of opaque looking. So we thought it expired, not
> knowing how long we kept it in the pantry, and threw it out and ate a
> turkey sandwich 'straight'..no mustard, ketchup and etc..Do they go bad?

Yes, they will obviously go bad eventually.

> There are no expiration dates on them.

No reason why you cant write the date you steal them on them when you steal them.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 3:53 pm
From: noel888

On Jan 18, 3:48 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> noel888 wrote:
> > We don't visit the fast food places very often, but when we do, we
> > take some of those small ketchup, mayonaise, mustard packages home.
> > The other day, we were making turkey sandwiches and looked for the
> > mayonaise packet. Upon squeezing it open, the coloring didn't look
> > appetizing..sort of opaque looking. So we thought it expired, not
> > knowing how long we kept it in the pantry, and threw it out and ate a
> > turkey sandwich 'straight'..no mustard, ketchup and etc..Do they go bad?
>
> Yes, they will obviously go bad eventually.
>
> > There are no expiration dates on them.
>
> No reason why you cant write the date you steal them on them when you steal them.

LOL we thought of that but how do we know how long they have been
there before we 'stole' them? BTW, we frugally took them, LOL

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TOPIC: Article: "The zero-waste home"
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 1:48 pm
From: Gordon

Lenona <lenona321@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:365eb96f-ec49-4855-828a-a275b8032704@l22g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:

> From Northern California. Blogger Amy Alkon was scornful of this, but
> it looks interesting to me!
>
> http://www.sunset.com/home/natural-home/zero-waste-home-0111-0041800006
> 9984/
>
> Lenona.

Got a link to that scornful Blog?

I also try to reduce waste. But I don't go to such extremes.
1) we have 5 canvas tote bags to carry home our groceries.
But sometimes we have to use a plastic or paper bag.
2) We fill a curbside recycling tip cart in about 1 month.
3) Our 30 gal garbage tip cart is only ever half full each
week. Pretty good for a family of 4.
4) We buy a lot of bulk items and fresh produce to reduce
packaging.
5) We reuse the plastic bags that the bulk food is bought in.
6) We also reuse a lot of the plastic tubs and trays that
some foods are packaged in.
7) The most extreme thing I do is to collect rain water in
a barrel and use it to wash the car.

We don't live much differently from most people. And if you
came into our house it wouldn't look too different tham most
others. Until you went around back and saw the rain barrel.
But other than that...

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TOPIC: Getting scammed on glasses
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/ab88f81466efa279?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 4:21 pm
From: Sherry

(Please READ the entire post before hitting REPLY, THANKS!)

Just ordered a second identical pair of eyeglasses without the "UV" and
"ANTI-SCRATCH" coatings (read screw you for $20 more coatings?)

Was previously also charged an extra $10 for "HI-INDEX" Lenses.

Supposedly the hi-index lenses are thinner and lighter.

I can tell no difference in size, looks or visual acuity in the second pair
for which I was charged $20 less for no coatings and $10 less for lenses
that look and feel IDENTICAL.

can we spell S-C-A-M? Anyone know how I can get this verified by an
optical lab or doctor? Would really like to get my $60 back that I wasted
on those other glasses which I now believe are the same as the ones I
ordered without the scam extras.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 5:51 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Sherry wrote:

> (Please READ the entire post before hitting REPLY, THANKS!)

Get stuffed.

> Just ordered a second identical pair of eyeglasses without the "UV"
> and "ANTI-SCRATCH" coatings (read screw you for $20 more coatings?)

> Was previously also charged an extra $10 for "HI-INDEX" Lenses.

> Supposedly the hi-index lenses are thinner and lighter.

> I can tell no difference in size, looks or visual acuity in the
> second pair for which I was charged $20 less for no coatings
> and $10 less for lenses that look and feel IDENTICAL.

Your problem.

> can we spell S-C-A-M?

Or they dont bother to do them without the coating.

Thats not a scam, just a sensible way of doing business.

> Anyone know how I can get this verified by an optical lab

Ask them if they can do that, until you find one that will bother.

> or doctor?

Unlikely you will find any of those that will do that for free.

> Would really like to get my $60 back that I wasted on
> those other glasses which I now believe are the same
> as the ones I ordered without the scam extras.

You can try the small claims court, which will likely tell you to go and fuck yourself.

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