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* Do you know what would happen if you gave a bunch of bananas to a bunch of
monkeys? - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/05565b0b8312402c?hl=en
* Some benefits after returning to U.S.A - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/c03b4cbcbdb81eac?hl=en
* What was the point of Jesus riding an ass, looking like an ass? - 2 messages,
2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/f875873bd78921b8?hl=en
* Why I didn't buy TurboTax AGAIN this year - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/92f5d113853839d2?hl=en
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TOPIC: Do you know what would happen if you gave a bunch of bananas to a bunch
of monkeys?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/05565b0b8312402c?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 6:33 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu"
On Apr 15, 8:01 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu"<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:943b1b12-edb4-4402-8f4e-8d59d7d27e6d@8g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 15, 7:29 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>
> > "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"
> > <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> > Not that I advocate the welfare state. ;)
>
> > >>>> We need to kick Muslim ass. If not, they will soon be kicking our
> > >>>> dumb
> > >>>> ass.
>
> (why those funny markings instead of single one)
>
> >> I need to differentiate who is saying what. You are posting from Google
> >> Groups which has always been a fouled up web site to post from. I am
> >> posting from my Windows Mail via News.Knowolgy.Net. You should get a
> >> proper newsreader.
>
> I thought Capitalism would become more humane after the fall of
> communism, but it only became hungrier.
>
> >> TibetanMonkey, capitalism is not perfect, but it is better than all those
> >> other systems out there.
> >> Regards,
> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
Will it be the last one before we finally "succeed" in depleting all
the resources and species of the planet?
I hope something else is coming soon. Something like Holland or
perhaps better, where YOU HAVE CHOICES like public transportation,
bikes or cars.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 7:06 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"
"TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu"
<comandante.banana@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fb917294-9480-4375-b1b7-4baeda258169@b23g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 15, 8:01 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
[...]
> >> TibetanMonkey, capitalism is not perfect, but it is better than all
> >> those
> >> other systems out there.
Will it be the last one before we finally "succeed" in depleting all
the resources and species of the planet?
I hope something else is coming soon. Something like Holland or
perhaps better, where YOU HAVE CHOICES like public transportation,
bikes or cars.
> Yes, naked capitalism does not work any better than naked socialism. We
> have to get the mix right.
> Regards,
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 8:23 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)
In article <3b773$4bc79bd8$d8102c96$27352@KNOLOGY.NET>, Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>"TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit" <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com>
>wrote in message
>news:85efa486-6bf9-4059-ae3f-c4f9ca14d0c0@z7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>> "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"
>> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote in
>> messagenews:f88274da-a513-49f2-acac-49f6569bd78f@q23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>> On Apr 15, 3:56 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Capitalists are abstract thinkers. Trust me on this, they do not give a
>> > damn
>> > about you and me. Yes, they are concerned with profit, but that is a
>> > million
>> > times better than those god damn fucking socialist bastards who are only
>> > concerned with power and control over people.
>>
>> Where do Holland or Denmark fall in those categories? How about
>> Canada?
>>
>> > They are social welfare states which fall far short of socialism. They
>> > depend on capitalists to lay the golden eggs.
>>
>> I think you are as clueless as a monkey.
>
>You still haven't answered my question, big monkey.
>
>Is Canada Stalinist, Maoist or what?
>
>>>> Do you not understand plain English? I have told you that they are all
>>>> welfare states, NOT socialism.
Dear Ed the Great,
It appears to me that you are adding quotation symbols (multiply
in one case appearing above) to lines of text that are of your doing, as
opposed to lines of text that you are quoting back in the process of
responding to them (where adding a quotation symbol per line belongs).
That could cause some confusion.
<SNIP signature>
-
-
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 10:06 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu"
On Apr 15, 10:06 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu"<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:fb917294-9480-4375-b1b7-4baeda258169@b23g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 15, 8:01 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> [...]
>
> > >> TibetanMonkey, capitalism is not perfect, but it is better than all
> > >> those
> > >> other systems out there.
>
> Will it be the last one before we finally "succeed" in depleting all
> the resources and species of the planet?
>
> I hope something else is coming soon. Something like Holland or
> perhaps better, where YOU HAVE CHOICES like public transportation,
> bikes or cars.
>
> > Yes, naked capitalism does not work any better than naked socialism. We
> > have to get the mix right.
> > Regards,
> > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
We can get that recipe anywhere in Europe: BETTER ROAD MANNERS, MORE
PREVENTION, TOTAL PROTECTION FOR CYCLISTS.
I think people is tired of BS, don't you think?
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TOPIC: Some benefits after returning to U.S.A
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/c03b4cbcbdb81eac?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 6:37 pm
From: "NotMe"
"john north" <bluestarxy@mail.invalid> wrote in message
news:hq6j3o$ci0$1@news.eternal-september.org...
|
|
| An american friend who is just coming up for retirement after working
nearly
| all his life in Japan, is thinking that he will only be allowed to
continue
| working at his present company in Japan if they pay him less than half of
| what he is currently earning. That reduced money would be a big struggle
for
| him to survive on.
|
| He does not think there will be any alternative for him, than to accept
this
| reduced pay. He would like to return to America, but since he did not
| contribute to any pension schemes, he thinks this would not be possible
| since he would have no income to survive on there.
|
| Coming from Europe myself I guess I automatically have faith that the
state
| will somehow come through for us in straightened circumstances. But do not
| have any knowledge of what the situation would be in the U.S.A or in fact
| how to find out exactly what benefits might be available for a returning
| american citizen.
|
| Bearing in mind he has spent nearly all his working life working outside
of
| the U.S.A., and has made no pension contributions, would be grateful to
| learn of what his circumstances would likely be, income wise in terms of
| basic benefits; if he just took the plunge and returned to his homeland.
| Thanks.
|
Might check and verify that nothing was sent to the US SSA system. When I
worked in Japan I accrued benefits in both the US system and the then
Japanese retirement system.
While it is possible to op out of either or both the practice is actively
discouraged by reputable companies.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 7:53 pm
From: "NotMe"
"Lawrence Akutagawa" <lakuNOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:hq7djf$6r1$1@news.eternal-september.org...
|
| "Rubaiyat of Omar Bradley" <cowartmisc1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| news:bda72ffa-0fd3-4734-864b-c7903dcbdce2@5g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
| > The politically-inspired responses from the ignorant denizens of this
| > newsgroup are probaly incorrect. The US and Japan do indeed have a
| > "Totalization Agreement" which might enable him to get *some*
| > benefits. For details see:
| >
| >
http://www.socialsecurity.gov/international/Agreement_Pamphlets/japan.html
| >
| > "Agreements to coordinate Social Security protection across national
| > boundaries have been common in Western Europe for decades. Following
| > is a list of the agreements the United States has concluded and the
| > date of the entry into force of each. Some of these agreements were
| > subsequently revised; the date shown is the date the original
| > agreement entered into force."
| >
| /snip - follow the thread/
| >
| >.
| From the original post -
|
| "...he did not contribute to any pension schemes..."
|
| "Bearing in mind he has spent nearly all his working life working outside
of
| the U.S.A., and has made no pension contributions..."
|
| The reference you cite talks about Social Security payments having been
made
| to either country. Original post says no pension contributions have been
| made, whereby the operative presumption is that no Social Security
payments
| have been made to either country. Note well that the original post is
| seeking information of possible government - "state" - benefits.
|
| Clearly if he did not contribute to any private plans, he gets no benefits
| from any private plan. So the context of the original post is not that of
| any private plan, but of a government one. Now he not having made any
| contributions to a government plan, the original post asks what government
| benefits are available to him. The reference you cite is valid in the
| context of him having made contributions to the one government plan or the
| other. But - to repeat - he has made no contributions to any - repeat,
| any - "pension schemes". Given his situation of having made absolutely no
| pension contributions at all - least of all to any government plan - the
| reference you cite is a non sequitur vis a vis his situation.
|
It is entirely possible, in fact quite probable, the contributions were made
on his behalf without his express knowledge.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 9:01 pm
From: "Lawrence Akutagawa"
"NotMe" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:hq8jk6$29d$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
>
> "Lawrence Akutagawa" <lakuNOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:hq7djf$6r1$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> |
> | "Rubaiyat of Omar Bradley" <cowartmisc1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> | news:bda72ffa-0fd3-4734-864b-c7903dcbdce2@5g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> | > The politically-inspired responses from the ignorant denizens of this
> | > newsgroup are probaly incorrect. The US and Japan do indeed have a
> | > "Totalization Agreement" which might enable him to get *some*
> | > benefits. For details see:
> | >
> | >
> http://www.socialsecurity.gov/international/Agreement_Pamphlets/japan.html
> | >
> | > "Agreements to coordinate Social Security protection across national
> | > boundaries have been common in Western Europe for decades. Following
> | > is a list of the agreements the United States has concluded and the
> | > date of the entry into force of each. Some of these agreements were
> | > subsequently revised; the date shown is the date the original
> | > agreement entered into force."
> | >
> | /snip - follow the thread/
> | >
> | >.
> | From the original post -
> |
> | "...he did not contribute to any pension schemes..."
> |
> | "Bearing in mind he has spent nearly all his working life working
> outside
> of
> | the U.S.A., and has made no pension contributions..."
> |
> | The reference you cite talks about Social Security payments having been
> made
> | to either country. Original post says no pension contributions have
> been
> | made, whereby the operative presumption is that no Social Security
> payments
> | have been made to either country. Note well that the original post is
> | seeking information of possible government - "state" - benefits.
> |
> | Clearly if he did not contribute to any private plans, he gets no
> benefits
> | from any private plan. So the context of the original post is not that
> of
> | any private plan, but of a government one. Now he not having made any
> | contributions to a government plan, the original post asks what
> government
> | benefits are available to him. The reference you cite is valid in the
> | context of him having made contributions to the one government plan or
> the
> | other. But - to repeat - he has made no contributions to any - repeat,
> | any - "pension schemes". Given his situation of having made absolutely
> no
> | pension contributions at all - least of all to any government plan - the
> | reference you cite is a non sequitur vis a vis his situation.
> |
>
> It is entirely possible, in fact quite probable, the contributions were
> made
> on his behalf without his express knowledge.
>.
Interesting. In the US, your wage/salary statement explicitly shows your
SSI deduction. And the US government sends out an annual statement telling
you how much - by year - your "contributions" were.
Of course, I have no knowledge of the Japanese system. If indeed
contributions are made on his behalf without his contributing anything
himself, that's quite a nifty system. There is such a thing as a free
lunch after all!
ummm...a quick net search on Japanese Social Security turns up
http://www.ipss.go.jp/s-info/e/Jasos/Jasos.pdf in which is stated:
"4. Insurance premium
"For public pensions, premiums are paid by employees and their employers for
Category No.2
(employees). For Category No.1 (self-employed, etc.), a premium is paid by
the insured
only, but supported by a substantial government subsidy. The premium for
Category No.3
(spouses of employees) is not collected, as it is regarded as included in
the premium which
his/her spouse pays."
So it would seem that there is no free lunch after all. Of course, the
person concerned should check with both governments about his own personal
situation.
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TOPIC: What was the point of Jesus riding an ass, looking like an ass?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/f875873bd78921b8?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 8:03 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)
In <f2f61373-27c2-46ba-a942-3f9a64f1ee18@b23g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu wrote:
>On Apr 14, 10:59 pm, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
<Whatever I said, mostly on dinosaurs and prospects of Jesus riding one>
>If you didn't vote for Bush and Blair, then you are OK. And if you
>ride a bike, then you get a round trip ticket to heaven. ;)
I ride bikes on average maybe 10,000-11,000 miles per year, and drive
cars maybe on average 4,400 miles per year. I drive trucks maybe on
average 70 miles per year, and I have yet to drive an SUV.
One more thing: My personal faith already included consideration for
some prospect that I largely achieved a ticket into heaven, but that it is
likely a round trip one - and I have to come back (get reincarnated), even
though the Bible shows little support for this.
I voted against Bush in both elections where I had/maintained a choice.
(I could not have voted against him in primary elections because I chose
to have my voter registration to vote in primary elections within the
political party most able to oppose Bush.)
I could not have voted against Blair because I live and have lived where
I was able to vote against Bush.
Any comments about how I can get or have lost my chance at a 1-way
ticket to heaven as opposed to a round-trip one?
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 8:44 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu"
On Apr 15, 11:03 pm, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
> In <f2f61373-27c2-46ba-a942-3f9a64f1e...@b23g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
> TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu wrote:
>
> >On Apr 14, 10:59 pm, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
>
> <Whatever I said, mostly on dinosaurs and prospects of Jesus riding one>
>
> >If you didn't vote for Bush and Blair, then you are OK. And if you
> >ride a bike, then you get a round trip ticket to heaven. ;)
>
> I ride bikes on average maybe 10,000-11,000 miles per year, and drive
> cars maybe on average 4,400 miles per year. I drive trucks maybe on
> average 70 miles per year, and I have yet to drive an SUV.
>
> One more thing: My personal faith already included consideration for
> some prospect that I largely achieved a ticket into heaven, but that it is
> likely a round trip one - and I have to come back (get reincarnated), even
> though the Bible shows little support for this.
>
> I voted against Bush in both elections where I had/maintained a choice.
> (I could not have voted against him in primary elections because I chose
> to have my voter registration to vote in primary elections within the
> political party most able to oppose Bush.)
>
> I could not have voted against Blair because I live and have lived where
> I was able to vote against Bush.
>
> Any comments about how I can get or have lost my chance at a 1-way
> ticket to heaven as opposed to a round-trip one?
>
> - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
You are safe, I think. We can only pray we can ride bikes in Heaven
with all peace of mind.
It's kind of hellish here.
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TOPIC: Why I didn't buy TurboTax AGAIN this year
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/92f5d113853839d2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 10:28 pm
From: root
hchickpea@hotmail.com <hchickpea@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:44:24 -0700, The Real Bev
><bashley101+es@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 04/13/2010 08:32 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>>> I used to think Intuit was a good company producing a good product. Now
>>> they're just one more company that deserves a trip down the drain.
>>
>>Addendum: Not a single one of the 'Contact Us' links worked. Not email, not
>>chat, not list-of-phone-numbers. They weren't even LINKS for Chrissake, just
>>empty 'click here' boxes.
>
> Ah yes. That seems to be more common these days. Pageplus cellular
> is doing much the same. Companies just don't want to be bothered.
Just like old times seeing you and TRB posting Harry.
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