Tuesday, January 15, 2008

25 new messages in 9 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* OT: Why I hate Geico ads - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c126ff8f6e76bda5?hl=en
* RodSpeed - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7846240150597272?hl=en
* temporary health insurance for a recent graduate - 7 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ca3c7cbfde6133a7?hl=en
* Most Frugal and Practical Pickup Truck? - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/1010359dbc3b29b0?hl=en
* wholesale sport shoes,clothing,electronics in china www.fashion-sky.com - 5
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9630e6bb13162175?hl=en
* AF1 25th Anniversary New Styles China Wholesale at www.globwholesale.com - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7d3729c73dc29353?hl=en
* If you shop online, you Must read this. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7e7fc7241ddb1e13?hl=en
* FREELANCE ONLINE WORKER NEEDED - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c7fb7d4fa94c4443?hl=en
* Best cheap LED flashlight from Walmart? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/289e1ab2c0f56d4c?hl=en

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TOPIC: OT: Why I hate Geico ads
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c126ff8f6e76bda5?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 7:22 pm
From: Siskuwihane


On Jan 15, 1:26 pm, "Green Xenon [Radium]" <gluceg...@excite.com>
wrote:
> Fuck geico's piece of shit ads.
>
> Here are examples of geico ads which I fucking hate because they are so
> fucking stupid:
>
> 1.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSPXpc5N6Kg-- this ad depicts the 50s
> or before when [obviously] there was no such thing as geico or their
> stinkin car insurance

Geico, incorporated in 1936 as Government Employees Insurance Company

As the Geico caveman would say, "Next time, do a little research".

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 7:36 pm
From: Daniel Carey


In article <478cfadd$0$4952$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:

> Fuck geico's piece of shit ads.
>
> Here are examples of geico ads which I fucking hate because they are so
> fucking stupid:
>
> 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSPXpc5N6Kg -- this ad depicts the 50s
> or before when [obviously] there was no such thing as geico or their
> stinkin car insurance
>
> 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em-b0wQzQ-0 -- asshole celebrity
> "mashed potatoes woohoo!" Howd ya like some mashed potatoes up your
> stinky ass, you disheveled shithole?!
>
> There is also another geico ad that I hate with a passion which I wasn't
> able to find. It's a black and white ad depicting the old days when
> there was no internet. That ad talks about some guy who went poor and
> started hunting deer for food. It then shows that he somehow makes a lot
> of money. There is critic in the background who says "I was initially
> skeptical of this claim". This ad then show the main character going
> onto a computer [!!!!!!!] and the internet [what the fuck!!!!] and
> changing his car insurance to Geico. WTFuck is wrong with Geico, they
> were depicting a time when computers and internet were absent yet they
> show someone in that time going onto a PC and accessing the net! This is
> so fucking stupid and annoying! It is blatantly idiotic and pisses me
> off. I feel like burning those involved in producing that advertisement.
> I want to torch their skin until it blisters into white foam. Stupid
> assholish sick fucks deserve to burn in hell for the annoyance they cause.
>
> I'd rather watch their old cavemen ads for an hour than a second of the
> ads I mentioned above.
>
> I lay a curse on those geico fuckheads:
>
> In your next incarnation you'll all be satan's bitches!

TiVo, dude... TiVo.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 7:37 pm
From: Daniel Carey


In article <srhi-3D55FB.21490515012008@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:

> In article <478cfadd$0$4952$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> "Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:
>
> > Fuck geico's piece of shit ads.
> >
> > Here are examples of geico ads which I fucking hate because they are so
> > fucking stupid:
>
> Change channels, hit the fast forward button, or turn off your TV.
> Problem solved.

TiVo.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 10:01 pm
From: TomAldrich@newshosting.com

On 15-Jan-2008, Daniel Carey <DanielFCarey@comcast.net> wrote:

> TiVo, dude... TiVo.

And for those of you with Satelite TV, it ain't gping to be TIVO soon.


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TOPIC: RodSpeed
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 7:31 pm
From: KarlMarx_MiddleClass_Ipod_HipHop


Rod-Man,

do you think that we will have a global meltdown any day now for stock
markets or do you think that the US government is scrambling to
prevent the machine from seizing up from lack of preventative
maintenance?


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TOPIC: temporary health insurance for a recent graduate
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 7:34 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Goomba38 <Goomba38@comcast.net> wrote
> h wrote

>>> As for never being sick, taking no medications and lack of any
>>> check-ups whatsoever..... can I ask how old you are? While it is
>>> nice to be smug about those things at 25, as one ages it becomes
>>> almost inevitable that you'll need a tune up or something tweaked.

>> I'm well into my 50s.

> LOL, well, not to burst your bubble but... being a health care
> provider I can say with a little bit of authority here that your time
> will come. You should be getting check ups once in a while at least.
> Many diseases, if caught early, are treatable and/or curable.

Not many, actually, just a few.

> Too many people felt fine up until they keeled over dead, or the disease had wreaked havoc on them to the degree that
> the "cure" is as bad as disease untreated.

You can certainly claim that any who do that is too many, but it isnt
that common to not get obvious symptoms before it gets that bad.

> But of course I understand the "ignorance is bliss" concept too. It just tends to bite ya in the butt down the road.

Not necessarily.


== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 7:38 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


P <test@test.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>>> I did not realize visiting the doctor typically once a year due
>>> to high temperature or cold can be considered very often.

>> Pointless bothering with a doctor for a cold unless you
>> need the doctor's visit to get the time off work etc.

> Yes, but if you have a viral fever(high temperature a visit does help).

Nope, hardly ever and you certainly dont get one of those every year.

>>> Well, I could have stayed at home, rested and probably could have recovered
>>> in some 3-4 days but going to the doctor helped me get better soon

>> Nope, not with a cold it doesnt.

> Depends on how severe it is

Nope.

> and mainly to ensure it is not a symptom of some illness.

The obvious way to check that is to see if it goes away as
colds always do and only bother with a doctor when it doesnt.

You certainly dont get those every year or anything like that either.


== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 8:33 pm
From: Goomba38


P wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:40:57 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>
>>> I did not realize visiting the doctor typically once a year due
>>> to high temperature or cold can be considered very often.
>> Pointless bothering with a doctor for a cold unless you
>> need the doctor's visit to get the time off work etc.
>
> Yes, but if you have a viral fever(high temperature a visit does help).

What is your experience with treatments for viral illnesses?
>
>>> Well, I could have stayed at home, rested and probably could have recovered
>>> in some 3-4 days but going to the doctor helped me get better soon
>> Nope, not with a cold it doesnt.
>
> Depends on how severe it is and mainly to ensure it is not a symptom of
> some illness.

Usually cold symptoms are just symptoms of a cold. A pretty self
limiting illness for the most part.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 8:41 pm
From: Goomba38


Rod Speed wrote:
You should be getting check ups once in a while at least.
>> Many diseases, if caught early, are treatable and/or curable.
>
> Not many, actually, just a few.

Many. And of course limiting the damage of untreated disease can only
help down the road. Consider the progression of undiagnosed diabetes,
hypertension, cardiac disease, multiple types of cancers....
>
>> Too many people felt fine up until they keeled over dead, or the disease had wreaked havoc on them to the degree that
>> the "cure" is as bad as disease untreated.
>
> You can certainly claim that any who do that is too many, but it isnt
> that common to not get obvious symptoms before it gets that bad.

But a slowly progressing disease is often ignored and adapted to the
point where the patient doesn't get the sense of "something isn't quite
right" here
>
>> But of course I understand the "ignorance is bliss" concept too. It just tends to bite ya in the butt down the road.
>
> Not necessarily.
>
I've seen it all too frequently and commonly. Particularly with
undiagnosed diabetes or hypertension. VERY common.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 9:21 pm
From: P


On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:38:10 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:


>and you certainly dont get one of those every year.

Off Topic, I just mentioned two reasons one may need to visit a doctor at
my age and did not claim them as the only reasons for every year. BTW, if
you have lived in a dorm you may catch such illnesses quickly from others.


>>>> Well, I could have stayed at home, rested and probably could have recovered
>>>> in some 3-4 days but going to the doctor helped me get better soon
>
>>> Nope, not with a cold it doesnt.
>
>> Depends on how severe it is
>
> Nope.

Well, if you live in a dorm sometimes you need to visit the doctor just to
convince others you are taking proper steps. The medicines can ease your
running nose and reduce your sneezing while you are in class.

>> and mainly to ensure it is not a symptom of some illness.
>
> The obvious way to check that is to see if it goes away as
> colds always do and only bother with a doctor when it doesnt.
>
> You certainly dont get those every year or anything like that either.

I never said that one gets them every year(though if you are living in a
dorm your chances are high). Just because I mentioned two reasons does not
mean I claimed that they were the only ones due to which I had to go to the
doctor every year. There can be a muscle spasm, food poisoning, minor car
accident(if you are traveling in someone else's car), back pain due to
wrong posture or many other factors due to which a person my age might
require to visit a doctor. Again, this is not a exhaustive list nor do I
mention these occur every year to someone of my age, but some reasons due
to which a person of my age may need to visit the doctor. Agreed, people at
my age fall in the lower risk for insurance companies, but there are some
liabilities associated with us also and people at my age might need to
visit the doctor typically once a year. Some more, some less.

The purpose of starting this thread was to get some good ideas(which I got,
thanks to all who replied). I appreciate your help, but please don't
misunderstand me.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 9:45 pm
From:
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"Goomba38" <Goomba38@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:CPqdnYsSwuDZ_xDanZ2dnUVZ_uqvnZ2d@comcast.com...
>h wrote:
>
>>> As for never being sick, taking no medications and lack of any check-ups
>>> whatsoever..... can I ask how old you are? While it is nice to be smug
>>> about those things at 25, as one ages it becomes almost inevitable that
>>> you'll need a tune up or something tweaked.
>>
>> I'm well into my 50s.
>
> LOL, well, not to burst your bubble but... being a health care provider I
> can say with a little bit of authority here that your time will come. You
> should be getting check ups once in a while at least. Many diseases, if
> caught early, are treatable and/or curable. Too many people felt fine up
> until they keeled over dead, or the disease had wreaked havoc on them to
> the degree that the "cure" is as bad as disease untreated.
> But of course I understand the "ignorance is bliss" concept too. It just
> tends to bite ya in the butt down the road.

I have a very different take on medical stuff. I don't take medications and
would not ever consider the treatment options available for diseases like
cancer (chemo, radiation, etc.) It's quite pointless to go to have checkups
because I wouldn't follow the doctor's advice if they found anything, nor
would I be interested in any further tests. I exercise 90 minutes a day,
every day, I maintain a healthy weight, and I eat no more than 30 grams of
carbs a day. I don't smoke and I rarely drink more than one glass of wine.
I'm healthier now in my 50s than I was in my 20s. It also helps that I never
had kids, so my body wasn't ravaged by breeding. All the women in my family
drop dead at 91 (really, all of them on both sides!) and we never see
doctors. It's not that I'm being smug or blissfully ignorant, I'm counting
on genetics and lifestyle. My mom's 88 and hasn't seen a doctor since she
had me.


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 10:15 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Goomba38 <Goomba38@comcast.net> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>>> You should be getting check ups once in a while at least.
>>> Many diseases, if caught early, are treatable and/or curable.

>> Not many, actually, just a few.

> Many.

Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.

> And of course limiting the damage of untreated disease can only help down the road.

Varys with the 'disease'

> Consider the progression of undiagnosed diabetes,
> hypertension, cardiac disease, multiple types of cancers....

Thats just 5, nothing like 'many'

And plenty of those wont be caught early enough to make a difference by 'checkups' anyway.

>>> Too many people felt fine up until they keeled over dead, or the disease had wreaked havoc on them to the degree
>>> that the "cure" is as bad as disease untreated.

>> You can certainly claim that any who do that is too many, but it isnt
>> that common to not get obvious symptoms before it gets that bad.

> But a slowly progressing disease is often ignored and adapted to the point where the patient doesn't get the sense of
> "something isn't quite right" here

Again, not that often.

>>> But of course I understand the "ignorance is bliss" concept too. It just tends to bite ya in the butt down the road.

>> Not necessarily.

> I've seen it all too frequently and commonly. Particularly with
> undiagnosed diabetes or hypertension. VERY common.

Nope, those do produce symptoms before you end up with fangs in your arse most of the time.

And 'checkups' dont necessarily get anything useful done that prevents fangs in your arse either.



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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 7:49 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools


On Jan 15, 1:25 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I am considering getting my next pickup truck...what is in your
> opinion the best candidate for a frugal and practical pickup truck?
>
> Thanks
>
> TMT

About that pickup I am looking for...here's one accessory that is
optional...

TMT

Watch what you put on trailer hitches By BOB LEWIS, Associated Press
Writer

It's one thing to dangle fuzzy dice from a rear view mirror, but
decorating a trailer hitch with a large pair of rubber testicles might
be a bit much in Virginia.

State Del. Lionel Spruill introduced a bill Tuesday to ban displaying
replicas of human genitalia on vehicles, calling it a safety issue
because it could distract other drivers.

Under his measure, displaying the ornamentation on a motor vehicle
would be a misdemeanor punishable by a maximum fine of $250.

He said the idea came from a constituent whose young daughter spotted
an example of the trail hitch adornment and asked her father to
explain it.

"'I didn't know what to tell her,'" Spruill said the constituent told
him before Spruill vowed to stop such displays.

"I said, 'Sir, I'm going to be a laughingstock, but I'm going to do
it,'" he said.

The Virginia General Assembly has some experience with offbeat bills.
Three years ago, it drew widespread attention with an unsuccessful
effort to outlaw baggy pants worn so low they expose underwear.

Spruill, 61, said the indignity of the "droopy drawers" debate
wouldn't deter him. He said he won't hesitate to bring a set of $24.95
trailer testicles with him for a legislative show-and-tell.

"I'm going to do it," Spruill told a handful of reporters after
Tuesday's House session adjourned. "I'm going to bring them out here
and show them to you till they tell me to stop."


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 7:56 pm
From: websurf1@cox.net


On Jan 15, 5:07 pm, ra...@vt.edu wrote:
> In misc.consumers.frugal-living Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > > Domestic pickups are pretty price competitive given the market.
> > As for the price competitiveness of domestic pickups, I am not sure on
> > that. Try finding an used domestic pickup in good shape at a
> > reasonable price...it takes years to find a good match with that
> > criteria.
>
> The thing to look for is 2WD and a stick shift. Nothing kills the
> resale value of a pickup like 2WD and stick shift. Most people
> don't really need 4WD and automatics are only good if you are
> going to be doing a lot of towing. Look for a used pickup with
> those 2 things and the prices will be well below average for the
> year and make. Oh, those 2 things also make the truck cheaper to
> maintain and get better fuel economy. Good luck.
>
> Bill Ranck
> Blacksburg, Va.

I've got a 2003 GMC Sonoma. 2WD and a stick ;<)

I bought it new after a looking at lots of trucks, getting turned of
by all the sales tactics. I got an excellent deal with no haggling.
I get 27 mpg; at 84,000 miles I am still on the original tires. In a
few months I'll need tires, front shocks, and a couple trivial items.

When I was searching for a truck, I knew exactly what I was after: 4
cyl, stick, white, the shorter extended cab (the kind without the full
extra seat), and no extras.

This has pretty much been the best vehicle I've had.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 8:56 pm
From: Gunner


On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:54:56 GMT, Trevor Jones <t.o.jones@telus.net>
wrote:

>
> Mazda/Ford 2WD Standard trans, with a larger cab, if you carry stuff
>around that you are keener on keeping.
> It's not extra passenger space, as much as the trunk, behind the
>driver and passenger seats, but in front of the box. Sometimes doubles
>as weathertite cargo area.
> I put nearly 400 000 kilometers on an 86 B2000. Drove it like it was
>stolen, right up until I gave it away last year. It is still on the road.


If he is looking for a truck of that size..indeed. My Mazda B3000 has
440,000 MILES on it and still runs fine, just wont pass California
smog, so it gets a lower mileage engine this spring and then likely be
passed on the the daughter in law.

And its hauled more than 3000 lbs on many occasions, over the
Grapevine.

Gunner

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 9:30 pm
From: Gunner


On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:56:55 -0800, Gunner
<gunner@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:54:56 GMT, Trevor Jones <t.o.jones@telus.net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> Mazda/Ford 2WD Standard trans, with a larger cab, if you carry stuff
>>around that you are keener on keeping.
>> It's not extra passenger space, as much as the trunk, behind the
>>driver and passenger seats, but in front of the box. Sometimes doubles
>>as weathertite cargo area.
>> I put nearly 400 000 kilometers on an 86 B2000. Drove it like it was
>>stolen, right up until I gave it away last year. It is still on the road.
>
>
>If he is looking for a truck of that size..indeed. My Mazda B3000 has
>440,000 MILES on it and still runs fine, just wont pass California
>smog, so it gets a lower mileage engine this spring and then likely be
>passed on the the daughter in law.
>
>And its hauled more than 3000 lbs on many occasions, over the
>Grapevine.
>
>Gunner


Though on second thought..Id get the B4000 Mazda/Ranger with the 4.0
engine in it.

I get 19mpg with my current Ranger with the 3.0 and automatic tranny.
Id not have bought an auto..but I couldnt beat the deal. Shrug

The B3000 (3.0) averaged about 20-21 with the 5 speed. So far..Ive
pulled just as heavy a load as the standard tranny with no problems.
But Ive got an aftermarket trany cooler too.

BTW...that big assed Ford F350 extended van with the 351, average
15mpg if I keep it around 55-60 miles an hour, even pulling a trailer
with 1500 lbs of stuff on it.

Im starting to think it should be rated at gallons per hour..as it
seems to use almost as much idling as it does driving.

I scrounged up a 3000 watt Xantrex inverter and have idled the truck
to keep the deep cycle charged, that runs the inverter

Runs drill motors, grinders, Sawzalls and so forth just hunky.

Gunner


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== 1 of 5 ==
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4).LV Sunglasses 5).Chanel Sunglasses 6).Prada Sunglasses 7).Versace
Sunglasses 8).Giorgio Armani
Strap 1).Bape Strap 2).D&G Strap 3).Gucci Strap 4).LV Strap 5).Scarf
Other 1).Lighter

size chart
Men Size:
US: 7 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 13 14 15
UK: 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 12 13 14
EUR: 40 41 42 42.5 43 44 44.5 45 45.5 46 47.5 48 49
Women Size:
US: 5 5.5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5
UK: 2.5 3 3.5 4 4.5 5 5.5 6
EUR: 35.5 36 36.5 37.5 38 38.5 39 40

Kid's
US: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5 13 13.5
UK: 13 1 2 3 4 5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5
EUR:17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 24.5 25 25.5 26 26.5 27 27.5 28 29 30 30.5
31

Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

7.because the space of the website is limited,we can also supply many
other products which be not showed out in our site. if you have the
photos of the products you need , we are pleasure to supply for your
orders.
And our company can supply for our customers ,as follow:
1. top quality.all our products have top quality.
2. most rational price. we offer the most competitive price to you to
open your market. So today most of our products have sold well in the
America, Europe, Middle East, Southeast Asia etc..
3. safe and fast shipment. As different country you are in, we will
deliver the products to you by different ways and pledge to arrive to
your address 100%.and we will send the products to you within 24h
after we get your payment.
4.many products in stock. We have many products in stock and kinds of
size you need , also include kid's.
5.our credit. If the products can be not delivered to your address as
our reason, we will refund the money you paid.
Hope sincerely to have glad and long term business relationship with
you.
If you are interested in our products and have any problem, welcome
to
contact us.
Please trust us , we will be your best choice !!!
Website : http://www.fashion-sky.com
MSN and E-mail: fashion-sky@hotmail.com
Yahoo ID:mallinchina@yahoo.com.cn
Michael
Fashion Footwear Industrial Co.,Ltd.(Fujian,CHINA)

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 8:18 pm
From: fashion-sky.002@hotmail.com


Dear my friend
It is our pleasure to meet you here.
we are wholesaler sport shoes,clothing,electrons in Fujian of China.
our website: http://www.fashion-sky.com
We are professional and honest wholesaler of all kinds of brand
sneaks and apparel.the products
our company supply are as follows:
1).Nike Jordans
Jordan 1 jordan 1.5 jordan 2 jordan 3 jordan 3.5 jordan 4 jordan 5
jordan 5.5 jordan 6 jordan 6.5 jordan 7 jordan 8 jordan 9 jordan 9.5
jordan 10 jordan 11 jordan 12 jordan 13 jordan 13.5 jordan 14 jordan
15 jordan 16 jordan 17 jordan 18 jordan 18.5 jordan 19 jordan 20
jordan 21 jordan 21.5 jordan 22 jordan King jordan Dub Zero Jordan 23
Jordan 7.5
2).Air Force One Air Force one (low) Air Force one (High) Air Force
one (Mid) Air Force one (clear) Air Force One 25 year
3).SHOX Shox R3 Shox R4 Shox R5 Shox TL1 Shox TL2 Shox TL3 Shox NZ
Shox OZ Shox Turbo Show GO Shox CL Shox Coqnescenti Shox Energia Shox
Explodine Shox Monster Shox Rhythmic Shox Warrior
4).Bape Shoes Bape Bape (transparent)
5).Air max AirMax 90 AirMax 95 AirMax 97 AirMax 2003 AirMax 2004
AirMax 2005 Air Max 2006 AirMax 180 AirMax LTD AirMax TN AirMax solas
AirMax 87 AirMax Rift
6).Puma Puma Rpt2 Puma SK6 Puma Jayfi Puma Cir Puma Speed Puma Repli
Puma Future Cat Puma Mostro Puma Lifestyle
7).Dunk SB Dunk High Dunk Low
8).Timberland Timberland High Timberland Low
9).Adidas Adidas 35 Adicolor Country city sense Adidas NBA
11).Prada & Gucci Prada Gucci
12).Footballer Shoes Footballer
13).Locaste
14).converse & Reebok converse Reebok
15).D&G shoes
16).Dsquared2 shoes
17).James shoes
18).Nike King
9).Children shoes Jordan Shox
20).Women shoes Women Jordans Women Shox R3 Women Shox R4 Women AirMax
95&97 Women AirMax 03&06 Women Dunk Women Shox NZ Women AF1
21).sandal & baboosh Nike Puma Gucci Prada
CLOTHES 1).Bape 2).ED Hardy 3).BBC 4).CLH 5).LRG 6).Artful Dodger
Hoodies 7).GINO GREEN GLOBAL 8).10 Deep 9).A&F Coat 11).Jersey NBA
Jersey Football Jersey 12).Juicy Bikini 13).Adidas Coat 14).F1 Coat
15).D&G Coat 16).Superman Coat 17).NBA Coat
JEAN 1).E&D Jeans 2).BBC Jeans 3).BAPE Jeans 4).D&G Jeans 5).EVSIU
Jeans 6).Red monkey 7).COOGI Jeans
T-shirt 1).POLO 2007 polo(women) 2007 POLO IIII(Men) POLO (stripe)
polo (small )
2).Lacoste Lacoste (LONG) Lacoste (SHORT) 3).Name Brand shirt D&G
Shirt Giorgio Armani TN Shirt 4).BBC T-shirt 5).LRG & gina green
glalal 6).Triumvir 7).ED handy 8).Evsiu 9).R.M.B 10).CLOT
Burse & Handbag 1).LV Bag 2).Gucci Bag 3).Dior Bag 4).Chanel Bag
5).Fendi Bag 6).Coach Bag 7).Burberrys Bag 8).Prada Bag 9).Man Leisure
Bag 11).D&G bag 12).nike bag 13).Wallet 14).Suitcase
Electronics 1).Vertu Mobile 2).New iphone Mobile(apple iphones,apple
iphones,apple iphones,apple iphones) 3).Nokia Mobile(Nokia N95,Nokia
N95 Nokia N95 Nokia N95 Nokia N93,Nokia N70,Nokia N92,Nokia 8800)
4).moto Mobile 5).PSP Game & memory card 6).Sony Mobile 7).Samsung
Mobile 8).Ipod nano 9).Sony PS3 10).Laptops IBM laptops DELL laptops
Sony laptops ASUS laptops
CAP 1).ED Hardy Cap 2).New Bape & NY Cap 3).RMC Cap 4).New era NBA
5).F1 6).Chanel 7).D&G 8).gucci 9).LV 10).Prada 11).PUMA 12).wool
WATCH 1).Rolex 2).Omega 3).Cartier 4).Chanel 5).Piaget 6).Breitling
7).Bvlgari 8).Corum
Sunglasses 1).Gucci Sunglasses 2).D&G Sunglasses 3).Dior Sunglasses
4).LV Sunglasses 5).Chanel Sunglasses 6).Prada Sunglasses 7).Versace
Sunglasses 8).Giorgio Armani
Strap 1).Bape Strap 2).D&G Strap 3).Gucci Strap 4).LV Strap 5).Scarf
Other 1).Lighter

size chart
Men Size:
US: 7 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 13 14 15
UK: 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 12 13 14
EUR: 40 41 42 42.5 43 44 44.5 45 45.5 46 47.5 48 49
Women Size:
US: 5 5.5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5
UK: 2.5 3 3.5 4 4.5 5 5.5 6
EUR: 35.5 36 36.5 37.5 38 38.5 39 40

Kid's
US: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5 13 13.5
UK: 13 1 2 3 4 5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5
EUR:17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 24.5 25 25.5 26 26.5 27 27.5 28 29 30 30.5
31

Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

7.because the space of the website is limited,we can also supply many
other products which be not showed out in our site. if you have the
photos of the products you need , we are pleasure to supply for your
orders.
And our company can supply for our customers ,as follow:
1. top quality.all our products have top quality.
2. most rational price. we offer the most competitive price to you to
open your market. So today most of our products have sold well in the
America, Europe, Middle East, Southeast Asia etc..
3. safe and fast shipment. As different country you are in, we will
deliver the products to you by different ways and pledge to arrive to
your address 100%.and we will send the products to you within 24h
after we get your payment.
4.many products in stock. We have many products in stock and kinds of
size you need , also include kid's.
5.our credit. If the products can be not delivered to your address as
our reason, we will refund the money you paid.
Hope sincerely to have glad and long term business relationship with
you.
If you are interested in our products and have any problem, welcome
to
contact us.
Please trust us , we will be your best choice !!!
Website : http://www.fashion-sky.com
MSN and E-mail: fashion-sky@hotmail.com
Yahoo ID:mallinchina@yahoo.com.cn
Michael
Fashion Footwear Industrial Co.,Ltd.(Fujian,CHINA)

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 8:18 pm
From: fashion-sky.002@hotmail.com


Dear my friend
It is our pleasure to meet you here.
we are wholesaler sport shoes,clothing,electrons in Fujian of China.
our website: http://www.fashion-sky.com
We are professional and honest wholesaler of all kinds of brand
sneaks and apparel.the products
our company supply are as follows:
1).Nike Jordans
Jordan 1 jordan 1.5 jordan 2 jordan 3 jordan 3.5 jordan 4 jordan 5
jordan 5.5 jordan 6 jordan 6.5 jordan 7 jordan 8 jordan 9 jordan 9.5
jordan 10 jordan 11 jordan 12 jordan 13 jordan 13.5 jordan 14 jordan
15 jordan 16 jordan 17 jordan 18 jordan 18.5 jordan 19 jordan 20
jordan 21 jordan 21.5 jordan 22 jordan King jordan Dub Zero Jordan 23
Jordan 7.5
2).Air Force One Air Force one (low) Air Force one (High) Air Force
one (Mid) Air Force one (clear) Air Force One 25 year
3).SHOX Shox R3 Shox R4 Shox R5 Shox TL1 Shox TL2 Shox TL3 Shox NZ
Shox OZ Shox Turbo Show GO Shox CL Shox Coqnescenti Shox Energia Shox
Explodine Shox Monster Shox Rhythmic Shox Warrior
4).Bape Shoes Bape Bape (transparent)
5).Air max AirMax 90 AirMax 95 AirMax 97 AirMax 2003 AirMax 2004
AirMax 2005 Air Max 2006 AirMax 180 AirMax LTD AirMax TN AirMax solas
AirMax 87 AirMax Rift
6).Puma Puma Rpt2 Puma SK6 Puma Jayfi Puma Cir Puma Speed Puma Repli
Puma Future Cat Puma Mostro Puma Lifestyle
7).Dunk SB Dunk High Dunk Low
8).Timberland Timberland High Timberland Low
9).Adidas Adidas 35 Adicolor Country city sense Adidas NBA
11).Prada & Gucci Prada Gucci
12).Footballer Shoes Footballer
13).Locaste
14).converse & Reebok converse Reebok
15).D&G shoes
16).Dsquared2 shoes
17).James shoes
18).Nike King
9).Children shoes Jordan Shox
20).Women shoes Women Jordans Women Shox R3 Women Shox R4 Women AirMax
95&97 Women AirMax 03&06 Women Dunk Women Shox NZ Women AF1
21).sandal & baboosh Nike Puma Gucci Prada
CLOTHES 1).Bape 2).ED Hardy 3).BBC 4).CLH 5).LRG 6).Artful Dodger
Hoodies 7).GINO GREEN GLOBAL 8).10 Deep 9).A&F Coat 11).Jersey NBA
Jersey Football Jersey 12).Juicy Bikini 13).Adidas Coat 14).F1 Coat
15).D&G Coat 16).Superman Coat 17).NBA Coat
JEAN 1).E&D Jeans 2).BBC Jeans 3).BAPE Jeans 4).D&G Jeans 5).EVSIU
Jeans 6).Red monkey 7).COOGI Jeans
T-shirt 1).POLO 2007 polo(women) 2007 POLO IIII(Men) POLO (stripe)
polo (small )
2).Lacoste Lacoste (LONG) Lacoste (SHORT) 3).Name Brand shirt D&G
Shirt Giorgio Armani TN Shirt 4).BBC T-shirt 5).LRG & gina green
glalal 6).Triumvir 7).ED handy 8).Evsiu 9).R.M.B 10).CLOT
Burse & Handbag 1).LV Bag 2).Gucci Bag 3).Dior Bag 4).Chanel Bag
5).Fendi Bag 6).Coach Bag 7).Burberrys Bag 8).Prada Bag 9).Man Leisure
Bag 11).D&G bag 12).nike bag 13).Wallet 14).Suitcase
Electronics 1).Vertu Mobile 2).New iphone Mobile(apple iphones,apple
iphones,apple iphones,apple iphones) 3).Nokia Mobile(Nokia N95,Nokia
N95 Nokia N95 Nokia N95 Nokia N93,Nokia N70,Nokia N92,Nokia 8800)
4).moto Mobile 5).PSP Game & memory card 6).Sony Mobile 7).Samsung
Mobile 8).Ipod nano 9).Sony PS3 10).Laptops IBM laptops DELL laptops
Sony laptops ASUS laptops
CAP 1).ED Hardy Cap 2).New Bape & NY Cap 3).RMC Cap 4).New era NBA
5).F1 6).Chanel 7).D&G 8).gucci 9).LV 10).Prada 11).PUMA 12).wool
WATCH 1).Rolex 2).Omega 3).Cartier 4).Chanel 5).Piaget 6).Breitling
7).Bvlgari 8).Corum
Sunglasses 1).Gucci Sunglasses 2).D&G Sunglasses 3).Dior Sunglasses
4).LV Sunglasses 5).Chanel Sunglasses 6).Prada Sunglasses 7).Versace
Sunglasses 8).Giorgio Armani
Strap 1).Bape Strap 2).D&G Strap 3).Gucci Strap 4).LV Strap 5).Scarf
Other 1).Lighter

size chart
Men Size:
US: 7 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 13 14 15
UK: 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 12 13 14
EUR: 40 41 42 42.5 43 44 44.5 45 45.5 46 47.5 48 49
Women Size:
US: 5 5.5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5
UK: 2.5 3 3.5 4 4.5 5 5.5 6
EUR: 35.5 36 36.5 37.5 38 38.5 39 40

Kid's
US: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5 13 13.5
UK: 13 1 2 3 4 5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5
EUR:17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 24.5 25 25.5 26 26.5 27 27.5 28 29 30 30.5
31

Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

7.because the space of the website is limited,we can also supply many
other products which be not showed out in our site. if you have the
photos of the products you need , we are pleasure to supply for your
orders.
And our company can supply for our customers ,as follow:
1. top quality.all our products have top quality.
2. most rational price. we offer the most competitive price to you to
open your market. So today most of our products have sold well in the
America, Europe, Middle East, Southeast Asia etc..
3. safe and fast shipment. As different country you are in, we will
deliver the products to you by different ways and pledge to arrive to
your address 100%.and we will send the products to you within 24h
after we get your payment.
4.many products in stock. We have many products in stock and kinds of
size you need , also include kid's.
5.our credit. If the products can be not delivered to your address as
our reason, we will refund the money you paid.
Hope sincerely to have glad and long term business relationship with
you.
If you are interested in our products and have any problem, welcome
to
contact us.
Please trust us , we will be your best choice !!!
Website : http://www.fashion-sky.com
MSN and E-mail: fashion-sky@hotmail.com
Yahoo ID:mallinchina@yahoo.com.cn
Michael
Fashion Footwear Industrial Co.,Ltd.(Fujian,CHINA)

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 8:19 pm
From: fashion-sky.002@hotmail.com


Dear my friend
It is our pleasure to meet you here.
we are wholesaler sport shoes,clothing,electrons in Fujian of China.
our website: http://www.fashion-sky.com
We are professional and honest wholesaler of all kinds of brand
sneaks and apparel.the products
our company supply are as follows:
1).Nike Jordans
Jordan 1 jordan 1.5 jordan 2 jordan 3 jordan 3.5 jordan 4 jordan 5
jordan 5.5 jordan 6 jordan 6.5 jordan 7 jordan 8 jordan 9 jordan 9.5
jordan 10 jordan 11 jordan 12 jordan 13 jordan 13.5 jordan 14 jordan
15 jordan 16 jordan 17 jordan 18 jordan 18.5 jordan 19 jordan 20
jordan 21 jordan 21.5 jordan 22 jordan King jordan Dub Zero Jordan 23
Jordan 7.5
2).Air Force One Air Force one (low) Air Force one (High) Air Force
one (Mid) Air Force one (clear) Air Force One 25 year
3).SHOX Shox R3 Shox R4 Shox R5 Shox TL1 Shox TL2 Shox TL3 Shox NZ
Shox OZ Shox Turbo Show GO Shox CL Shox Coqnescenti Shox Energia Shox
Explodine Shox Monster Shox Rhythmic Shox Warrior
4).Bape Shoes Bape Bape (transparent)
5).Air max AirMax 90 AirMax 95 AirMax 97 AirMax 2003 AirMax 2004
AirMax 2005 Air Max 2006 AirMax 180 AirMax LTD AirMax TN AirMax solas
AirMax 87 AirMax Rift
6).Puma Puma Rpt2 Puma SK6 Puma Jayfi Puma Cir Puma Speed Puma Repli
Puma Future Cat Puma Mostro Puma Lifestyle
7).Dunk SB Dunk High Dunk Low
8).Timberland Timberland High Timberland Low
9).Adidas Adidas 35 Adicolor Country city sense Adidas NBA
11).Prada & Gucci Prada Gucci
12).Footballer Shoes Footballer
13).Locaste
14).converse & Reebok converse Reebok
15).D&G shoes
16).Dsquared2 shoes
17).James shoes
18).Nike King
9).Children shoes Jordan Shox
20).Women shoes Women Jordans Women Shox R3 Women Shox R4 Women AirMax
95&97 Women AirMax 03&06 Women Dunk Women Shox NZ Women AF1
21).sandal & baboosh Nike Puma Gucci Prada
CLOTHES 1).Bape 2).ED Hardy 3).BBC 4).CLH 5).LRG 6).Artful Dodger
Hoodies 7).GINO GREEN GLOBAL 8).10 Deep 9).A&F Coat 11).Jersey NBA
Jersey Football Jersey 12).Juicy Bikini 13).Adidas Coat 14).F1 Coat
15).D&G Coat 16).Superman Coat 17).NBA Coat
JEAN 1).E&D Jeans 2).BBC Jeans 3).BAPE Jeans 4).D&G Jeans 5).EVSIU
Jeans 6).Red monkey 7).COOGI Jeans
T-shirt 1).POLO 2007 polo(women) 2007 POLO IIII(Men) POLO (stripe)
polo (small )
2).Lacoste Lacoste (LONG) Lacoste (SHORT) 3).Name Brand shirt D&G
Shirt Giorgio Armani TN Shirt 4).BBC T-shirt 5).LRG & gina green
glalal 6).Triumvir 7).ED handy 8).Evsiu 9).R.M.B 10).CLOT
Burse & Handbag 1).LV Bag 2).Gucci Bag 3).Dior Bag 4).Chanel Bag
5).Fendi Bag 6).Coach Bag 7).Burberrys Bag 8).Prada Bag 9).Man Leisure
Bag 11).D&G bag 12).nike bag 13).Wallet 14).Suitcase
Electronics 1).Vertu Mobile 2).New iphone Mobile(apple iphones,apple
iphones,apple iphones,apple iphones) 3).Nokia Mobile(Nokia N95,Nokia
N95 Nokia N95 Nokia N95 Nokia N93,Nokia N70,Nokia N92,Nokia 8800)
4).moto Mobile 5).PSP Game & memory card 6).Sony Mobile 7).Samsung
Mobile 8).Ipod nano 9).Sony PS3 10).Laptops IBM laptops DELL laptops
Sony laptops ASUS laptops
CAP 1).ED Hardy Cap 2).New Bape & NY Cap 3).RMC Cap 4).New era NBA
5).F1 6).Chanel 7).D&G 8).gucci 9).LV 10).Prada 11).PUMA 12).wool
WATCH 1).Rolex 2).Omega 3).Cartier 4).Chanel 5).Piaget 6).Breitling
7).Bvlgari 8).Corum
Sunglasses 1).Gucci Sunglasses 2).D&G Sunglasses 3).Dior Sunglasses
4).LV Sunglasses 5).Chanel Sunglasses 6).Prada Sunglasses 7).Versace
Sunglasses 8).Giorgio Armani
Strap 1).Bape Strap 2).D&G Strap 3).Gucci Strap 4).LV Strap 5).Scarf
Other 1).Lighter

size chart
Men Size:
US: 7 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 13 14 15
UK: 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 12 13 14
EUR: 40 41 42 42.5 43 44 44.5 45 45.5 46 47.5 48 49
Women Size:
US: 5 5.5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5
UK: 2.5 3 3.5 4 4.5 5 5.5 6
EUR: 35.5 36 36.5 37.5 38 38.5 39 40

Kid's
US: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5 13 13.5
UK: 13 1 2 3 4 5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5
EUR:17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 24.5 25 25.5 26 26.5 27 27.5 28 29 30 30.5
31

Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

7.because the space of the website is limited,we can also supply many
other products which be not showed out in our site. if you have the
photos of the products you need , we are pleasure to supply for your
orders.
And our company can supply for our customers ,as follow:
1. top quality.all our products have top quality.
2. most rational price. we offer the most competitive price to you to
open your market. So today most of our products have sold well in the
America, Europe, Middle East, Southeast Asia etc..
3. safe and fast shipment. As different country you are in, we will
deliver the products to you by different ways and pledge to arrive to
your address 100%.and we will send the products to you within 24h
after we get your payment.
4.many products in stock. We have many products in stock and kinds of
size you need , also include kid's.
5.our credit. If the products can be not delivered to your address as
our reason, we will refund the money you paid.
Hope sincerely to have glad and long term business relationship with
you.
If you are interested in our products and have any problem, welcome
to
contact us.
Please trust us , we will be your best choice !!!
Website : http://www.fashion-sky.com
MSN and E-mail: fashion-sky@hotmail.com
Yahoo ID:mallinchina@yahoo.com.cn
Michael
Fashion Footwear Industrial Co.,Ltd.(Fujian,CHINA)

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 8:20 pm
From: fashion-sky.002@hotmail.com


Dear my friend
It is our pleasure to meet you here.
we are wholesaler sport shoes,clothing,electrons in Fujian of China.
our website: http://www.fashion-sky.com
We are professional and honest wholesaler of all kinds of brand
sneaks and apparel.the products
our company supply are as follows:
1).Nike Jordans
Jordan 1 jordan 1.5 jordan 2 jordan 3 jordan 3.5 jordan 4 jordan 5
jordan 5.5 jordan 6 jordan 6.5 jordan 7 jordan 8 jordan 9 jordan 9.5
jordan 10 jordan 11 jordan 12 jordan 13 jordan 13.5 jordan 14 jordan
15 jordan 16 jordan 17 jordan 18 jordan 18.5 jordan 19 jordan 20
jordan 21 jordan 21.5 jordan 22 jordan King jordan Dub Zero Jordan 23
Jordan 7.5
2).Air Force One Air Force one (low) Air Force one (High) Air Force
one (Mid) Air Force one (clear) Air Force One 25 year
3).SHOX Shox R3 Shox R4 Shox R5 Shox TL1 Shox TL2 Shox TL3 Shox NZ
Shox OZ Shox Turbo Show GO Shox CL Shox Coqnescenti Shox Energia Shox
Explodine Shox Monster Shox Rhythmic Shox Warrior
4).Bape Shoes Bape Bape (transparent)
5).Air max AirMax 90 AirMax 95 AirMax 97 AirMax 2003 AirMax 2004
AirMax 2005 Air Max 2006 AirMax 180 AirMax LTD AirMax TN AirMax solas
AirMax 87 AirMax Rift
6).Puma Puma Rpt2 Puma SK6 Puma Jayfi Puma Cir Puma Speed Puma Repli
Puma Future Cat Puma Mostro Puma Lifestyle
7).Dunk SB Dunk High Dunk Low
8).Timberland Timberland High Timberland Low
9).Adidas Adidas 35 Adicolor Country city sense Adidas NBA
11).Prada & Gucci Prada Gucci
12).Footballer Shoes Footballer
13).Locaste
14).converse & Reebok converse Reebok
15).D&G shoes
16).Dsquared2 shoes
17).James shoes
18).Nike King
9).Children shoes Jordan Shox
20).Women shoes Women Jordans Women Shox R3 Women Shox R4 Women AirMax
95&97 Women AirMax 03&06 Women Dunk Women Shox NZ Women AF1
21).sandal & baboosh Nike Puma Gucci Prada
CLOTHES 1).Bape 2).ED Hardy 3).BBC 4).CLH 5).LRG 6).Artful Dodger
Hoodies 7).GINO GREEN GLOBAL 8).10 Deep 9).A&F Coat 11).Jersey NBA
Jersey Football Jersey 12).Juicy Bikini 13).Adidas Coat 14).F1 Coat
15).D&G Coat 16).Superman Coat 17).NBA Coat
JEAN 1).E&D Jeans 2).BBC Jeans 3).BAPE Jeans 4).D&G Jeans 5).EVSIU
Jeans 6).Red monkey 7).COOGI Jeans
T-shirt 1).POLO 2007 polo(women) 2007 POLO IIII(Men) POLO (stripe)
polo (small )
2).Lacoste Lacoste (LONG) Lacoste (SHORT) 3).Name Brand shirt D&G
Shirt Giorgio Armani TN Shirt 4).BBC T-shirt 5).LRG & gina green
glalal 6).Triumvir 7).ED handy 8).Evsiu 9).R.M.B 10).CLOT
Burse & Handbag 1).LV Bag 2).Gucci Bag 3).Dior Bag 4).Chanel Bag
5).Fendi Bag 6).Coach Bag 7).Burberrys Bag 8).Prada Bag 9).Man Leisure
Bag 11).D&G bag 12).nike bag 13).Wallet 14).Suitcase
Electronics 1).Vertu Mobile 2).New iphone Mobile(apple iphones,apple
iphones,apple iphones,apple iphones) 3).Nokia Mobile(Nokia N95,Nokia
N95 Nokia N95 Nokia N95 Nokia N93,Nokia N70,Nokia N92,Nokia 8800)
4).moto Mobile 5).PSP Game & memory card 6).Sony Mobile 7).Samsung
Mobile 8).Ipod nano 9).Sony PS3 10).Laptops IBM laptops DELL laptops
Sony laptops ASUS laptops
CAP 1).ED Hardy Cap 2).New Bape & NY Cap 3).RMC Cap 4).New era NBA
5).F1 6).Chanel 7).D&G 8).gucci 9).LV 10).Prada 11).PUMA 12).wool
WATCH 1).Rolex 2).Omega 3).Cartier 4).Chanel 5).Piaget 6).Breitling
7).Bvlgari 8).Corum
Sunglasses 1).Gucci Sunglasses 2).D&G Sunglasses 3).Dior Sunglasses
4).LV Sunglasses 5).Chanel Sunglasses 6).Prada Sunglasses 7).Versace
Sunglasses 8).Giorgio Armani
Strap 1).Bape Strap 2).D&G Strap 3).Gucci Strap 4).LV Strap 5).Scarf
Other 1).Lighter

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 10:31 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)


In article <8t2dnRK7LZt7LxHanZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast.com>, George wrote:
>Jeff wrote:
>>
>>
>> Almost all the Amish I knew had a one AAA Dorcy LED light. Just enough
>> light to get around and very small, but dependable.

I have one of those. No, I have not quite that, but the 1-AA-cell one.
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some actual illumination even AA cells that are so depleted as to make a
2-AA Mag glow dimmer than an idling cigararette, at least after half a
minute. (Personal experience, preliminary results without doing a true
"controlled experiment" with "adequate sample size").

>The best thing I ever bought for that purpose is the something like
>"photon light" that run on a coin cell and are small enough to put on a
>key chain. Since they are small you don't feel like Batman carrying them
>and I bought the better quality units and they are dependable and have
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somewhat over halfway depleted. I see incandescent flashlight "bulbs"
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to achieve any visible glow at all is at best close to proportional to
square root of voltage across the lamp/"bulb", .57 maybe .58 power at
most).

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TOPIC: Most Frugal and Practical Pickup Truck?
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 4:02 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools


On Jan 15, 5:35 pm, Trevor Jones <t.o.jo...@telus.net> wrote:
> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> > On Jan 15, 2:06 pm, James <jl...@idirect.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Jan 15, 2:25 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>I am considering getting my next pickup truck...what is in your
> >>>opinion the best candidate for a frugal and practical pickup truck?
>
> >>>Thanks
>
> >>>TMT
>
> >>Too many unanswered questions. Why do you want/need a pickup, whats
> >>the biggest load you will carry/tow, whats the max passengers you
> >>carry etc.
>
> >>Domestic pickups are pretty price competitive given the market.
>
> >>If can fit your needs, the Ford Ranger is being heavily discounted as
> >>its discontinued. Good on gas. I've rented one and it was fine.
>
> >>Of course you know that pickup brands are a dangerous territory
> >>becuase people have life long prejudicies. My father grew up with
> >>Chevies and will never have anything else. My brother has driven Fords
> >>since 1980. Neither would buy a Dodge. Pickups tend to gather long
> >>term loyalties.
>
> >>James
>
> > So did cowboys to their horses...;<)
>
> > I NEED a pickup ;<)...I haul too many items that would not fit inside
> > a car and the spontaneous nature of the hauling (like finding that
> > special tool hundreds of miles from home) means that a car-trailer
> > combo won't work.
>
> > As for the price competitiveness of domestic pickups, I am not sure on
> > that. Try finding an used domestic pickup in good shape at a
> > reasonable price...it takes years to find a good match with that
> > criteria.
>
> > Brand wise I do not care as long as long term maintainance costs are
> > low.
>
> > TMT
>
>   Reasonably new, used domestic trucks kind of suck, as they cost only a
> little less than you can get a new truck for. When you factor in nearly
> free financing, from the maker, you can do pretty well there.
>
>   There is a wide gap between the price of new, and the low end of the
> market, where it costs you for the price of purchase, then it costs you
> dear for repairs or perpetual problems. It has been my experience that
> the middle ground, is a poor place to shop.
>   After that, in the low end, you have to be willing and able to twist
> your own wrenches for the majority of things that might go wrong, and be
> accepting of the other less urgent needs of the truck. Must resist urge
> to run to the dealer because the check engine light is on! :-)
>
>   You nedd a little beater truck, or you gotta pull a fifth wheel with it?
>
>   Cheers
>    Trevor Jones- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Beater 1/2T-3/4T truck...mechanical condition good...paint is
optional. ;<)

My experience is the same...either buy new or buy junk.

Junk won't do.

That tells you that everyone hangs on to them...because of the high
pricing of the new stuff.

TMT

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 4:07 pm
From: ranck@vt.edu


In misc.consumers.frugal-living Too_Many_Tools <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Domestic pickups are pretty price competitive given the market.

> As for the price competitiveness of domestic pickups, I am not sure on
> that. Try finding an used domestic pickup in good shape at a
> reasonable price...it takes years to find a good match with that
> criteria.

The thing to look for is 2WD and a stick shift. Nothing kills the
resale value of a pickup like 2WD and stick shift. Most people
don't really need 4WD and automatics are only good if you are
going to be doing a lot of towing. Look for a used pickup with
those 2 things and the prices will be well below average for the
year and make. Oh, those 2 things also make the truck cheaper to
maintain and get better fuel economy. Good luck.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 4:14 pm
From: JR North


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JR
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Too_Many_Tools wrote:

> I am considering getting my next pickup truck...what is in your
> opinion the best candidate for a frugal and practical pickup truck?
>
> Thanks
>
> TMT

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== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 4:23 pm
From: Ignoramus25819


I once bought a surplus village owned, 14 year old 2x4 Dodge RAM 350
pickup with 31,000 miles (sic) for $2,600. There was some rust, but
not that much. I drove it for a year, then sold it for less than what
I paid, it was highly upsetting. The truck was in tip top shape, but,
I guess, the jaded eBayers did not believe it and did not bid as much
as I hoped.

Here it is with video

http://yabe.algebra.com/~ichudov/misc/ebay/Dodge350/

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== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 5:54 pm
From: Trevor Jones


Too_Many_Tools wrote:

> Beater 1/2T-3/4T truck...mechanical condition good...paint is
> optional. ;<)
>
> My experience is the same...either buy new or buy junk.
>
> Junk won't do.
>
> That tells you that everyone hangs on to them...because of the high
> pricing of the new stuff.
>
> TMT

Mazda/Ford 2WD Standard trans, with a larger cab, if you carry stuff
around that you are keener on keeping.
It's not extra passenger space, as much as the trunk, behind the
driver and passenger seats, but in front of the box. Sometimes doubles
as weathertite cargo area.
I put nearly 400 000 kilometers on an 86 B2000. Drove it like it was
stolen, right up until I gave it away last year. It is still on the road.

I know guys that treated their Toyotas similarly, and had good
reliability.

Smaller engines will get you every bit as far down the highway as the
larger, but seem to reduce the resale value.

Those are quarter ton class for the most part,though. Maybe heavy
quarter ton at best, or really light half...

If looking at new, shop the low end of the line. IIRC there were Ford
F150's on the lot ranging from well under $20K, to way over twice that.
It was a year or two back, that I last looked at new trucks, so check.
If you don't need the flashy wheels or a big engine, they have some, at
least, to choose from. Hard to argue with near zero percent, with a net
cost of pretty near what it would cost to get a bank loan to buy used,
if you are financing. New and a warranty for $300 a month, or used and
no warrantee, for the same or barely less...

Choosing between a new or a used truck in the near new range, new
looks like a better deal, sometimes.

<shrug>
Gotta meet your needs, not mine! Only you know for sure, eh!


Cheers
Trevor Jones

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 6:48 pm
From: Joe Pfeiffer


Too_Many_Tools <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> writes:

> I am considering getting my next pickup truck...what is in your
> opinion the best candidate for a frugal and practical pickup truck?

That just covers too, too much ground for a useful answer to be
possible.

Frugal, of course, means you want to spend as little as possible on
the truck and gas for it. So you want the smallest available engine,
two wheel drive, and the rubber-floormat version.

It's when you dial in "practical" that things get rough.

In my case, my first concern is I want to be able to do my own
repairs. There's nobody like Chrysler for being able to do it
yourself, so the truck is a Dodge. I've also got a 1990 Toyota pickup
(now up in Albuquerque with my daughter) which is the most impossible
vehicle I've ever owned to work on. Replacing the PVC valve requires
taking off the top half ot the intake manifold, and goes downhill from
there....

Second concern was the truck occasionally goes out in the desert, and
on those once-in-a-decade snowstorms my county doesn't own a
snowplow. 4WD, manual transmission.

Third, need a back seat with room for a couple of dogs, and want a
decent bed.

Stir up these ingredients, and my wife and I bought a Dodge Dakota a
year ago. So far, I love it.


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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 4:07 pm
From: Anthony Matonak


Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
> John A. Weeks III wrote:
...
>> Cool, a "yellow dog" posting. You see the GEICO ads because
>> (1) the ads work very well, and (2) you choose to see them.
>> There are easy ways to skip commercials, and those that still
>> watch commercials do so by choice as a result.
>
> Not everyone has the luxury of being able to skip commercials. I am one
> of these unfortunate ones. When I am watching an excellent show or movie
> and it is interrupted by crap like those Geico ads, it really irritates me.

It's still your choice to be irritated by the ads. You have many
choices and only one of them is to sit there and take it.

The best choice is simply to not watch TV. This is going to get
easier here in the United States since they won't be showing
any shows requiring writing.

If you have a computer that's fast enough (700Mhz?) you could spend
$25 or so for a TV card and turn it into your own personal video
recorder. This would let you skip commercials.

Netflix (or other DVD rentals) are another option. They put out a
lot of TV shows on DVD these days. Get together with a bunch of your
friends to circulate the videos and share the costs.

VCRs are another option. You can pick these up used pretty cheap
because no one wants them anymore. You can also pick up lots of
old VHS movies pretty cheap too. Heck, it's quite likely you can
find old VCRs and tapes for free.

Then there are books. These can be found for free at most libraries
and online at places like the Internet Archive and Project Gutenberg.
Libraries are increasingly carrying DVDs, books on tape and old time
radio shows also. If you have broadband then you can download and
watch TV, movies and radio shows on your computer.

Lastly, there is the age old option of pressing 'mute' on your
remote (supposing you had one), going to the bathroom during the
commercial breaks or going out to make a snack.

You can even combine these. Read a book during commercials. :)

Anthony

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 4:09 pm
From: "Unique"


Green Xenon [Radium] <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote in message:
478cfadd$0$4952$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,

> Fuck geico's piece of shit ads.
>
> Here are examples of geico ads which I fucking hate because they are
> so fucking stupid:
>
> 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSPXpc5N6Kg -- this ad depicts the
> 50s or before when [obviously] there was no such thing as geico or
> their stinkin car insurance
>
> 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em-b0wQzQ-0 -- asshole celebrity
> "mashed potatoes woohoo!" Howd ya like some mashed potatoes up your
> stinky ass, you disheveled shithole?!
>
> There is also another geico ad that I hate with a passion which I
> wasn't able to find. It's a black and white ad depicting the old days
> when there was no internet. That ad talks about some guy who went poor
> and
> started hunting deer for food. It then shows that he somehow makes a
> lot of money. There is critic in the background who says "I was
> initially skeptical of this claim". This ad then show the main
> character going onto a computer [!!!!!!!] and the internet [what the
> fuck!!!!] and
> changing his car insurance to Geico. WTFuck is wrong with Geico, they
> were depicting a time when computers and internet were absent yet they
> show someone in that time going onto a PC and accessing the net! This
> is so fucking stupid and annoying! It is blatantly idiotic and pisses
> me off. I feel like burning those involved in producing that
> advertisement. I want to torch their skin until it blisters into
> white foam. Stupid assholish sick fucks deserve to burn in hell for
> the annoyance they cause.
> I'd rather watch their old cavemen ads for an hour than a second of
> the ads I mentioned above.
>
> I lay a curse on those geico fuckheads:
>
> In your next incarnation you'll all be satan's bitches!

Nice troll. :-)

I'll explain for the benefit of those who might be tempted to take what
you say seriously.

The "Chatty Cathy" commercial is satire aimed at those who remember the
doll. They also have one for Cabbage Patch dolls.
The "Little Richard" commercial is pretty annoying, but it is part of a
series of satirizing the idea of celebrity spokesmen.
The "Beverly Hillbillies" commerical is satire aimed at those who
remember the TV series. They also have one starring The Flintstones.

All of these commercials are aimed at one segment of the insurance
market, which also happens to be the most profitable for insurance
companies; folks aged 50+

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== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 12:52 pm
From: "Green Xenon [Radium]"


shall then direct
him to it? The greatest men have failed.

432. Scepticism is true; for, after all, men before Jesus Christ did not
know where they were, nor whether they were great or small. And those who
have said the one or the other knew nothing about it and guessed without
reason and by chance. They also erred always in excluding the one or the
other.

Quod ergo ignorantes, quaeritis, religio annuntiat vobis.64

433. After having understood the whole nature of man.--That a religion may
be true, it must have knowledge of our nature. It ought to know its
greatness and littleness, and the reason of both. What religion but the
Christian has known this?

434. The chief arguments of the sceptics--I pass over the lesser ones--are
that we have no certainty of the truth of these principles apart from faith
and revelation, except in so far as we naturally perceive them in ourselves.
Now this natural intuition is not a convincing proof of their truth; since,
having no certainty, apart from faith, whether man was created by a good
God, or by a wicked demon, or by chance, it is doubtful whether these
principles given to us are true, or false, or uncertain, according to our
origin. Again, no person is certain, apart from faith, whether he is awake
or sleeps, seeing that during sleep we believe that we are awake as firmly
as we do when we are awake; we believe that we see space, figure, and
motion; we are aware of the passage of time, we measure it; and in fact we
act as if we were awake. So that half of our life being passed in sleep, we
have on our own admission no idea of truth, whatever we may imagine. As all
our intuitions are, then, illusions, who knows whether the other half of our
life, in which we think we are awake, is not another sleep a little
different from the former, from which we awake when we suppose ourselves
asle


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 5:24 pm
From: "Joel Olson"

"Anthony Matonak" <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote in message
news:478d4a56$0$22636$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
>> John A. Weeks III wrote:
> ...
>>> Cool, a "yellow dog" posting. You see the GEICO ads because
>>> (1) the ads work very well, and (2) you choose to see them.
>>> There are easy ways to skip commercials, and those that still
>>> watch commercials do so by choice as a result.
>>
>> Not everyone has the luxury of being able to skip commercials. I am one
>> of these unfortunate ones. When I am watching an excellent show or movie
>> and it is interrupted by crap like those Geico ads, it really irritates
>> me.
>
> It's still your choice to be irritated by the ads. You have many
> choices and only one of them is to sit there and take it.
>
> The best choice is simply to not watch TV. This is going to get
> easier here in the United States since they won't be showing
> any shows requiring writing.
>
> If you have a computer that's fast enough (700Mhz?) you could spend
> $25 or so for a TV card and turn it into your own personal video
> recorder. This would let you skip commercials.
>
> Netflix (or other DVD rentals) are another option. They put out a
> lot of TV shows on DVD these days. Get together with a bunch of your
> friends to circulate the videos and share the costs.
>
> VCRs are another option. You can pick these up used pretty cheap
> because no one wants them anymore. You can also pick up lots of
> old VHS movies pretty cheap too. Heck, it's quite likely you can
> find old VCRs and tapes for free.
>
> Then there are books. These can be found for free at most libraries
> and online at places like the Internet Archive and Project Gutenberg.
> Libraries are increasingly carrying DVDs, books on tape and old time
> radio shows also. If you have broadband then you can download and
> watch TV, movies and radio shows on your computer.
>
> Lastly, there is the age old option of pressing 'mute' on your
> remote (supposing you had one), going to the bathroom during the
> commercial breaks or going out to make a snack.
>
> You can even combine these. Read a book during commercials. :)
>
> Anthony
>

There's also http://prairiehome.publicradio.org/programs/


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 6:49 pm
From: Shawn Hirn


In article <478cfadd$0$4952$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:

> Fuck geico's piece of shit ads.
>
> Here are examples of geico ads which I fucking hate because they are so
> fucking stupid:

Change channels, hit the fast forward button, or turn off your TV.
Problem solved.


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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 4:34 pm
From:
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"Goomba38" <Goomba38@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:QpudnWmHLK7IrxDanZ2dnUVZ_tGonZ2d@comcast.com...
>h wrote:
>
>> But...if you're in the state of NY, you CAN'T get catastophic-only
>> coverage, just full, HMO-style insurance. The state says they're trying
>> to "protect" us, but if you're self-employed in NY you just can't get
>> affordable/useful insurance. The best quote I could find was $5,000 a
>> year with a $3,000 deductible, and then, only after you're out of pocket
>> $8,000 each year do they begin to pay. They only pay 40% and they NEVER
>> pay ANYTHING for office visits, yet they say "you can see your own
>> doctor". If I have to pay the whole bill, then of COURSE I can see any
>> doctor I want. What's the point of insurance like that? I've only spent
>> $1,500 on medical care since 1999 (10 stitches in the ER), and I've been
>> putting the money I didn't have to spend on premiums into my Roth IRA.
>> Insurance is a total scam. That said, I'm never sick, take no
>> medications, and I don't believe in "check-ups".
>
> Health Savings Accounts would be one idea you might benefit from?
>
> As for never being sick, taking no medications and lack of any check-ups
> whatsoever..... can I ask how old you are? While it is nice to be smug
> about those things at 25, as one ages it becomes almost inevitable that
> you'll need a tune up or something tweaked.

I'm well into my 50s.


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 5:31 pm
From: Logan Shaw


h wrote:
> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:9ba8fc16-752e-4dfc-af15-af2ae632af5f@z17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

>> You are a fool not to be covered for catastophic...it can happen to
>> ANYONE.

> But...if you're in the state of NY, you CAN'T get catastophic-only coverage,
> just full, HMO-style insurance. The state says they're trying to "protect"
> us, but if you're self-employed in NY you just can't get affordable/useful
> insurance. The best quote I could find was $5,000 a year with a $3,000
> deductible, and then, only after you're out of pocket $8,000 each year do
> they begin to pay.

This is one of the reasons why the federal system works well in the US.
If you live in a state with a stupid law, you can move to another state
which has a different set of laws. In the case of NY, a significant
part of the population could even move across the water to NJ and still
keep the same job they already have if that's important.

- Logan

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 5:33 pm
From: Logan Shaw


Goomba38 wrote:
> Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply wrote:
>> Goomba38 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Look to every other industrialized country in this world. There's your
>>>> suggestions and ideas on how to make it work. Insurance doesn't work -
>>>> it's a scam. That's a fact.
>>>
>>> I think you meant it is a "business" rather than "scam"
>>
>> Well, I wouldn't call it a business. I would call it a gamble, and
>> some gambles are closer to a scam than a business.
>>
>> As much as I detest the notion of government-sponsored health care, I
>> have to concede that if health care was treated as a not-for-profit
>> business, the cost of health care would certainly plummet.

> I doubt it would plummet in reality, perhaps just your immediate
> recognition of what you previously paid directly to the care provider?
> Your taxes would increase, and services often decrease as it becomes
> more rationed. Many in nationalized care countries pay extra for the
> care they want.

You're speaking as if you have an implicit assumption that "not-for-profit"
equals nationalized and government-run. I am not offering any particular
point of view here, but I don't think those two things are equivalent.

- Logan

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 5:47 pm
From: Goomba38


h wrote:

>> As for never being sick, taking no medications and lack of any check-ups
>> whatsoever..... can I ask how old you are? While it is nice to be smug
>> about those things at 25, as one ages it becomes almost inevitable that
>> you'll need a tune up or something tweaked.
>
> I'm well into my 50s.

LOL, well, not to burst your bubble but... being a health care provider
I can say with a little bit of authority here that your time will come.
You should be getting check ups once in a while at least. Many diseases,
if caught early, are treatable and/or curable. Too many people felt fine
up until they keeled over dead, or the disease had wreaked havoc on them
to the degree that the "cure" is as bad as disease untreated.
But of course I understand the "ignorance is bliss" concept too. It just
tends to bite ya in the butt down the road.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 7:11 pm
From: P


On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:40:57 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:


>> I did not realize visiting the doctor typically once a year due
>> to high temperature or cold can be considered very often.
>
> Pointless bothering with a doctor for a cold unless you
> need the doctor's visit to get the time off work etc.

Yes, but if you have a viral fever(high temperature a visit does help).

>> Well, I could have stayed at home, rested and probably could have recovered
>> in some 3-4 days but going to the doctor helped me get better soon
>
> Nope, not with a cold it doesnt.

Depends on how severe it is and mainly to ensure it is not a symptom of
some illness.


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 4:46 pm
From: "FreebiesPl.us"


Free Sample of Head and Shoulders
http://www.freebiespl.us/?p=446


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TOPIC: Why do people stay in overpriced real estate markets?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 4:59 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools


On Jan 15, 5:49 pm, inva...@notreal.none (Beachcomber) wrote:
> >There is your explanation right there, in that word -
> >"speculation."  There are folks out there who simply cannot
> >comprehend the value of a house or condo going down.  Or staying
> >stagnant, while inflation causes that amount of dollars to be
> >worth less.  They absolutely assume that real estate is a
> >guaranteed, quick, easy, huge profit-maker.
>
> >Lots of people cannot see the overall big picture, because their
> >vision is blocked by the dollar-signs rolling up in their eyes.
>
> >And they want to buy NOW, because they don't have the patience or  
> >attention span to think and act in terms of economic cycles
> >spanning several years or more.
>
> >If you try to warn them otherwise, they refuse to listen.
>
> And a lot of otherwise intelligent people would sign for a mortgage on
> whatever terms their sub-prime lender served up for them.  Many of
> them  were whipped into a frenzy and were afraid of missing out on
> jumping on the home ownership train.
>
> Everyone sort of gets into the act to encourage this "ownership at any
> price mentality"... real estate agents don't want to sell you a house,
> they want you to buy into having a home in a "neighborhood",
> regardless of what you think you can afford.  Appraisers and home
> inspectors have a vested interest in turnover.
>
> Beachcomber- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Everyone ...and I mean everyone ...related to the housing market has a
vested interest for a transaction to occur.

Everyone that is except for the buyer...who is supplying the cash to
make it happen.

A vested interest does not mean the best interest for the buyer.

Remember this whenever you are the buyer and it will serve you well.

TMT

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 5:15 pm
From: KarlMarx_MiddleClass_Ipod_HipHop


On Jan 15, 7:59 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> A vested interest does not mean the best interest for the buyer.
>
> Remember this whenever you are the buyer and it will serve you well.
>
> TMT


Classic example was when Bush issued us taxpayers those tax refund
checks in 2001. The Home Depot ran ads on radio reminding folks that
they could spend those refunds at the HD. I kid you not. The other
best interest served was you got financing options for purchases over
$299 I believe. The refund checks were for $300 if memory serves me
right.


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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 6:38 pm
From: KarlMarx_MiddleClass_Ipod_HipHop


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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 7:12 pm
From: KarlMarx_MiddleClass_Ipod_HipHop


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 6:51 pm
From: Shawn Hirn


In article
<17e1e65d-32e9-4b2f-b28e-7b0d783bfe33@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
val189 <gwehrenb@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Curious to know what decision you've reached on buying a house jointly
> with parents? Tried to find your original post, but it's been
> camouflaged by all the @$#% spam.

I am still thinking about it. My folks won't be ready to make a move
until 2009 ... for tax reasons. I just had to replace my car last week
because my old one was dying on me, so I am in a holding pattern with
regard to a house purchase right now and because my folks won't be ready
to pony up their money right away.


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 6:52 pm
From: Shawn Hirn


In article <ul7qo394mq6sqdl0gangeijpprjjn0m4lt@4ax.com>, me@privacy.net
wrote:

> 2000 Mazda Protege ES
>
> Need some two piece seat covers for front seats only
> that don't make me take out a personal loan.
>
> Any brands/models to recommend?
>
> Don't want sheepskin..... can be something simple like
> cordura nylon or polyester..... just has to be two
> piece as all the one piece universal ones never fit
> properly

Pep Boys has a wide selection for under $30.


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