Frugal Living: Sep 22, 2007

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TOPIC: Idiocracy
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 21 2007 10:45 am
From: Real_estate_is_a_hedge?

Hey RodSpeed, for your weekend take-home schoolwork, go hire a copy
of "Idiocracy" by Mike Judge and get back to us. Also, find copies of
Bill Hicks videos and CDs and give a listen to them.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/

What is worth investing in, with inflation happening in the US dollar?
Is real estate even worth buying right now or is that going to drop
more? I guess metals and commodities can be a hedge against inflation.
Is the system going to allow everyone to hedge against inflation?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 21 2007 11:08 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Real_estate_is_a_hedge? <kwokx2@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hey RodSpeed, for your weekend take-home schoolwork, go
> hire a copy of "Idiocracy" by Mike Judge and get back to us.

Get stuffed.

> Also, find copies of Bill Hicks videos and CDs and give a listen to them.

Get stuffed again.

> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/

> What is worth investing in, with inflation happening in the US dollar?

Depends entirely on what you want to achieve investment wise.

> Is real estate even worth buying right now

Depends on where it is. Very likely given that Bernanke, is cutting again.

> or is that going to drop more?

Some of it certainly will.

> I guess metals and commodities can be a hedge against inflation.

Its much more complicated than that. Its also very sensitive to
the state of the economy for what should be obvious reasons.

> Is the system going to allow everyone to hedge against inflation?

Nope, it never does.

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TOPIC: Mattel Accepts Blame
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 21 2007 12:19 pm
From: James

On Sep 21, 11:36 am, PaPaPeng <PaPaP...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Mattel apologizes to China, pledging to take responsibility for
> defective toys
> September 21, 2007http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90778/6268472.html
>
> Thomas Debrowski, an executive of Mattel, apologized Friday to a
> senior Chinese official for the inconvenience it has caused to Chinese
> consumers after recalling millions of China-made toys and pledged to
> take responsibility, according to a Xinhua witness.
>
> During his talk with Li Changjiang, head of the General Administration
> of Quality Supervision, Inspection and Quarantine, Debrowski admitted
> that the vast majority of its recalled toys were of design flaws
> rather than the manufacturing errors of China.
>
> According to a press release announced by a lawyer of the Mattel, 17.4
> million toys have been recalled because of loose magnets and those
> recalled because of impermissible levels of lead numbered 2.2
> millions.
>
> The magnets related recalls were due to emerging issues concerning
> design and this has nothing to do with whether the toys were
> manufactured in China, said the press release.
>
> "Mattel does not require Chinese manufacturers to be responsible for
> the magnets related recalls due to design problems," it said.
>
> It also admitted that Mattel's lead-related recalls were "overly
> inclusive" as the company were "committed to applying the highest
> standards of safety for its products".
>
> "The follow-up inspections also confirmed that part of the recalled
> toys complied with the U.S. standards."
>
> The same high standards to recalls of its products have been applied
> in the EU and other countries despite the fact that some of these
> products may have met local safety standards. its said.

Oh so I guess that the fact that Mattel may have made some errors (or
was co-erced by the ever so friendly Chinese Government into saying
they had) absolves Chinese manufacturers from using lead paint,
something that has been outlawed for decades. There is NO EXCUSE for
lead in paint, and Mattel is not the only company who has discovered
this.

James

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 21 2007 1:11 pm
From: PaPaPeng

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:19:43 -0700, James <jlinn@idirect.com> wrote:

>
>Oh so I guess that the fact that Mattel may have made some errors (or
>was co-erced by the ever so friendly Chinese Government into saying
>they had) absolves Chinese manufacturers from using lead paint,
>something that has been outlawed for decades. There is NO EXCUSE for
>lead in paint, and Mattel is not the only company who has discovered
>this.
>
>James

So in your book the coercive Chinese Government convinced
Mattel's CEO to eat crow? That's impressive. Award yourself a two
crow dinner. I'll even pay fot it.

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 21 2007 1:19 pm
From: PaPaPeng

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:19:43 -0700, James <jlinn@idirect.com> wrote:

>Oh so I guess that the fact that Mattel may have made some errors (or
>was co-erced by the ever so friendly Chinese Government into saying
>they had) absolves Chinese manufacturers from using lead paint,

More crow.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/09/21/financial/f033549D48.DTL&tsp=1

By ALEXA OLESEN, Associated Press Writer

Friday, September 21, 2007

(09-21) 08:59 PDT BEIJING, China (AP) --

U.S.-based toy giant Mattel Inc. issued an extraordinary apology to
China on Friday over the recall of Chinese-made toys, taking the blame
for design flaws and saying it had recalled more lead-tainted toys
than justified.

The gesture by Thomas A. Debrowski, Mattel's executive vice president
for worldwide operations, came in a meeting with Chinese product
safety chief Li Changjiang, at which Li upbraided the company for
maintaining weak safety controls.

"Our reputation has been damaged lately by these recalls," Debrowski
told Li in a meeting at Li's office at which reporters were allowed to
be present.

"And Mattel takes full responsibility for these recalls and apologizes
personally to you, the Chinese people, and all of our customers who
received the toys," Debrowski said.

The carefully worded apology, delivered with company lawyers present,
underscores China's central role in Mattel's business. The world's
largest toy maker has been in China for 25 years and about 65 percent
of its products are made in China.

The fence-mending call came ahead of an expected visit to China by
Mattel's chairman and chief executive, Robert A. Eckert. Following the
massive recall, Eckert told U.S. lawmakers he wanted to see Mattel's
mainland inspections first hand.

Mattel ordered three high-profile recalls this summer involving more
than 21 million Chinese-made toys, including Barbie doll accessories
and toy cars because of concerns about lead paint or tiny magnets that
could be swallowed.

The recalls have prompted complaints from China that manufacturers
were being blamed for design faults introduced by Mattel.

On Friday, Debrowski acknowledged that "vast majority of those
products that were recalled were the result of a design flaw in
Mattel's design, not through a manufacturing flaw in China's
manufacturers."

Lead-tainted toys accounted for only a small percentage of all toys
recalled, he said, adding that: "We understand and appreciate deeply
the issues that this has caused for the reputation of Chinese
manufacturers."

The slew of Chinese-made toys since June by Mattel and other smaller
toy makers has resulted in many parents scouring for U.S.-made label
stamped on playthings at toy stores. That is no easy feat when more
than 80 percent of toys sold in the U.S. are made in China.

Mattel's mea culpa could help reshape the debate surrounding Chinese-
made toys.

In fact, new research from two business professors shows that recalls
due to problems with the U.S. maker's design accounted for the vast
majority - about 76 percent - of the 550 U.S.toy recalls since 1988.

The report, released earlier this month from Paul R. Beamish, an
international business professor at Canada's University of Western
Ontario, and Hari Bapuji, business professor at University of
Manitoba's I.H. Asper School of Business in Winnipeg, Canada, found
that recalls blamed on design problems and manufacturing defects, such
as lead paint or poor craftmanship, both rose in the past two years as
U.S. makers have shifted more of their production to China.

But they noted that, "if shifting manufacturing to China resulted in
poorer quality goods, then the number of toys recalled due to
manufacturing should be greater than the number recalled due to
design," the report said. But that is not the case.

"Nobody gets a free ride on this," said Beamish, arguing that toy
makers' obsession to quickly get new products to market before they
are widely copied has resulted in a lot of cost-cutting and inadequate
testing.

In a statement issued by the company Friday, Mattel said its lead-
related recalls were "overly inclusive, including toys that may not
have had lead in paint in excess of the U.S. standards.

"The follow-up inspections also confirmed that part of the recalled
toys complied with the U.S. standards," the statement said, without
giving specific figures.

The co-owner of the company that supplied the lead-tainted toys to
Mattel, Lee Der Industrial Co. Ltd., committed suicide in August
shortly after the recall was announced.

Li reminded Debrowski that "a large part of your annual profit ...
comes from your factories in China.

"This shows that our cooperation is in the interests of Mattel, and
both parties should value our cooperation. I really hope that Mattel
can learn lessons and gain experience from these incidents," Li said,
adding that Mattel should "improve their control measures."

Li, the head of China's General Administration of Quality Supervision,
Inspection and Quarantine, also expressed his appreciation for
Debrowski's "objective and responsible attitude toward the recent toy
recall."

Chinese food, drugs and other products ranging from toothpaste to
seafood are under intense scrutiny because they have been found to
contain potentially deadly substances.

But China has bristled at what it claims is a campaign to discredit
its reputation as an exporter. It accuses foreign media and others of
playing up its product safety issues as a form of protectionism.

Beijing insists that the vast majority of its exports are safe but has
stepped up inspections of food, drugs and other products in response
to the concerns.

Li told reporters after meeting with Debrowski that the government had
taken swift action against Lee Der, shutting down its operations and
revoking its business license. Four people from the company also face
criminal charges, he said, without giving details.

Since this summer's recalls Mattel has announced plans to upgrade its
safety system by certifying suppliers and increasing the frequency of
random, unannounced inspections. It has fired several manufacturers.

Tests had found that lead levels in paint in recalled toys were as
high as 110,000 parts per million, or nearly 200 times higher than the
accepted safety ceiling of 600 parts per million.

Mattel's shares fell from the mid-$23 level following the first recall
in early August, reaching as low as $20.97 on Sept. 10. They have
since rebounded, and rose 55 cents, or 2.33 percent to $24.11 in
morning trading Friday..

China has become a center for the world's toy-making industry,
exporting $7.5 billion worth of toys last year.

_____

AP Business Writer Anne D'Innocenzio in New York contributed to this
report.

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 21 2007 2:03 pm
From: James

On Sep 21, 4:11 pm, PaPaPeng <PaPaP...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:19:43 -0700, James <jl...@idirect.com> wrote:
>
> >Oh so I guess that the fact that Mattel may have made some errors (or
> >was co-erced by the ever so friendly Chinese Government into saying
> >they had) absolves Chinese manufacturers from using lead paint,
> >something that has been outlawed for decades. There is NO EXCUSE for
> >lead in paint, and Mattel is not the only company who has discovered
> >this.
>
> >James
>
> So in your book the coercive Chinese Government convinced
> Mattel's CEO to eat crow? That's impressive. Award yourself a two
> crow dinner. I'll even pay fot it.

Your next post says it all - where Li reminds Mattel where its profits
come from. Lets face it if the the Chinese government tells Mattel
they have to pack up and leave, Mattel might as well just declare
bankruptcy, because even if they find another low cost manufacturing
country, it would take them a long time to set up again, and toys have
a yearly cycle.

So PaPaPeng, chinese government apologist, would you like to give some
lead paint toys to your children? How about eye shadow made in china
with lead in it - would you let your wife wear it? Or how about
toothpaste with deadly antifreeze in it?

About 50 percent of the paint sold in China, India and Malaysia had
lead levels 30 times higher than U.S. regulations. In contrast in
Singapore, which has well-enforced regulations, only 10 percent of
paint samples were above U.S. regulations, the highest being six times
the U.S. limit.

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/aug2006/2006-08-24-02.asp

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56056

China just signed a pact to ban lead in toys this month THIRTY YEARS
after the US banned lead in paints. Do you suggest that no one in
China knew lead was bad? And note the pact was not to send lead
painted toys TO THE US.

I'm not eating crow. I'm not suggesting that Mattel should not have
been checking what they were shipped. But even the Chinese government
is admitting they have a problem when they kill their food safety
head. Add lead and you start to see a pattern.

James

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 21 2007 2:06 pm
From: George Grapman

Have any senior executives been fired?

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 21 2007 2:32 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Sep 21, 5:03 pm, James <jl...@idirect.com> wrote:
> On Sep 21, 4:11 pm, PaPaPeng <PaPaP...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>

>
> So PaPaPeng, chinese government apologist, would you like to give some
> lead paint toys to your children? How about eye shadow made in china
> with lead in it - would you let your wife wear it? Or how about
> toothpaste with deadly antifreeze in it?
>
Like many OTHER non-US citizens, PAPAPENG has somewhat lower
standards of contamination.
Hence, he posts such crap here.

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 21 2007 2:44 pm
From: PaPaPeng

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:32:13 -0700, Al Bundy <MSfortune@mcpmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sep 21, 5:03 pm, James <jl...@idirect.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 21, 4:11 pm, PaPaPeng <PaPaP...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>
>>
>> So PaPaPeng, chinese government apologist, would you like to give some
>> lead paint toys to your children? How about eye shadow made in china
>> with lead in it - would you let your wife wear it? Or how about
>> toothpaste with deadly antifreeze in it?
>>
> Like many OTHER non-US citizens, PAPAPENG has somewhat lower
>standards of contamination.
>Hence, he posts such crap here.

Look at your trade figures and retail sales figures. Not a single
hiccup and the year end figures will be even higher than any
comparable period before. But then again the subprime crisis may
overtake events, or maybe OJ has a new headline grabber. What you
actually do is a lot more revealing than what you claim to say, you
meaning the general population, not you the hystericals.

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 21 2007 8:40 pm
From: ""

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:19:43 -0700, James <jlinn@idirect.com> wrote:
>Oh so I guess that the fact that Mattel may have made some errors (or
>was co-erced by the ever so friendly Chinese Government into saying
>they had) absolves Chinese manufacturers from using lead paint,
>something that has been outlawed for decades. There is NO EXCUSE for
>lead in paint, and Mattel is not the only company who has discovered
>this.
>
>James

Mattel has ALWAYS been at fault !

When you outsource an item,
YOU provide the specs.... ( and possibly the designs too )

and before YOU put your name on the label,
you test the product to verify that it meets spec,
as well as applicable safety issues.

Mattel was blinded by the bucks !.
If they had kept track of the product
as well as they tracked their potential profit,
this wouldn't have happened.

<rj>

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TOPIC: Lighter Windguard
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Date: Fri, Sep 21 2007 12:31 pm
From: vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com

Fifteen years ago they sold lighters which had like a stovepipe which
slid up and protected from the wind. Has anyone made such a windguard?
How'bout buy one that is reusable on cheap lighters?

- = -
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TOPIC: Repairing a broken drain line
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 21 2007 1:18 pm
From: "Sammy bin Snoozin"

The Rotorooter in Catawba Co doesn't have the pipe-liner capability. Another Rotorooter in the next county does but they don't cooperate with each other.

Does anyone know a plumbing company in Catawab Co area who can install a pipe-liner without breaking up the concrete, etc.

If so, I would apprec a posting or sending me an email to the yahoo address given here.

Thanks!

Sam

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 21 2007 1:59 pm
From: "Sammy bin Snoozin"

"Rudy Canoza" <rudy-canoza@excite.com>
> Sammy bin Snoozin wrote:
> > What if I flooded the drain with Roundup? Reckon that would kill anything that had roots in the drain?
>
> ...Glyphosate, the active ingredient of
> Roundup, is absorbed through the foliage....

What about plugging the outlet and flooding it with copper sulfate solution and letting it stand overnight? Is there anything else what might seal the inside of a pipe without having to break it open?

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 21 2007 2:02 pm
From: "Sammy bin Snoozin"

"Sammy bin Snoozin" <SammyBinSnoozin@REyahooMOVE.com> wrote in message news:ahWIi.43$kk4.33@trnddc08...
"Rudy Canoza" <rudy-canoza@excite.com>
> Sammy bin Snoozin wrote:
> > What if I flooded the drain with Roundup? Reckon that would kill anything that had roots in the drain?
>
> ...Glyphosate, the active ingredient of
> Roundup, is absorbed through the foliage....

PS -- We've got small, minor leaks at 2 places -- after seeing the video up the pipe, I don't think it's enough to break up the concrete, replace the whole pipe - big mess & cost.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 21 2007 2:11 pm
From: "Sammy bin Snoozin"

"Terryc" <newsfourspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message news:fcv732$vpk$4@aioe.org...
> Sammy bin Snoozin wrote:
> > What if I flooded the drain with Roundup? Reckon that would kill anything that had roots in the drain?
>
> err, you are going to have to block the other end to flood it.
>
> we have rootox tabs here that you can drop in the bowl and flush last
> thing at night or in morning (if everyone goes to work).
>
> P.S. if roundup works, it should kil the whole plant. roundup can be
> less effective in high concentrations as too hardttake up.err, you are
> going to have to block the other end to flood it.

Yes, I was thinking of making a batch of diluted concentrate, putting an elbow pointing up at the outlet and pouring in the inlet until it fills the pipe. I've got about 20 feet of 4-inch pipe -- 12 gallons should be plenty. The cost of any root killer or coating materials would be minor compared to the cost of breaking up the concrete, replacing, refilling, etc.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 21 2007 5:06 pm
From: "Mark M."

Sammy bin Snoozin wrote:
> The Rotorooter in Catawba Co doesn't have the pipe-liner capability. Another Rotorooter in the next county does but they don't cooperate with each other.
>
> Does anyone know a plumbing company in Catawab Co area who can install a pipe-liner without breaking up the concrete, etc.
>
> If so, I would apprec a posting or sending me an email to the yahoo address given here.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sam
>
Roto-rooter franchises have business territories that "own" so they don't compete
with each other. Plumbing contractors don't have that arrangement so you don't
need one from your county just your state.

Mark M.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 21 2007 5:55 pm
From: Neon John

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:59:50 GMT, "Sammy bin Snoozin"
<SammyBinSnoozin@REyahooMOVE.com> wrote:

>"Rudy Canoza" <rudy-canoza@excite.com>
>> Sammy bin Snoozin wrote:
>> > What if I flooded the drain with Roundup? Reckon that would kill anything that had roots in the drain?
>>
>> ...Glyphosate, the active ingredient of
>> Roundup, is absorbed through the foliage....
>
>What about plugging the outlet and flooding it with copper sulfate solution and letting it stand overnight? Is there anything else what might seal the inside of a pipe without having to break it open?

I have no evidence whether the CuSO4 will kill grass roots or not. It probably will.
The problem with all these schemes is that the roots remain in place. They may rot
out in a few years but meanwhile you still have the problem. About the only thing
you can do is call the Roto-Rooter man and have them mechanically removed. THEN
figure out a treatment to keep 'em out. That's what the CuSO4 does, kills the root
leaders as they penetrate.

Roto-rooting (actually I'd find a local contractor and avoid the very high prices of
the actual Roto-Rooter company) isn't that expensive. If you have a clean-out port,
probably no more than $100. Get the roots removed and THEN start deploying
counter-measures against future invasion.

John
--
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See my website for my current email address
http://www.neon-john.com
http://www.johndearmond.com <-- best little blog on the net!
Tellico Plains, Occupied TN
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 21 2007 8:31 pm
From: "Steve Barker LT"

roundup kills by smothering the plant from the top. It only works when
sprayed on the green part.

"Sammy bin Snoozin" <SammyBinSnoozin@REyahooMOVE.com> wrote in message
news:psWIi.46$kk4.16@trnddc08...

"Terryc" <newsfourspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
news:fcv732$vpk$4@aioe.org...
> Sammy bin Snoozin wrote:
> > What if I flooded the drain with Roundup? Reckon that would kill
> > anything that had roots in the drain?
>
> err, you are going to have to block the other end to flood it.
>
> we have rootox tabs here that you can drop in the bowl and flush last
> thing at night or in morning (if everyone goes to work).
>
> P.S. if roundup works, it should kil the whole plant. roundup can be
> less effective in high concentrations as too hardttake up.err, you are
> going to have to block the other end to flood it.

Yes, I was thinking of making a batch of diluted concentrate, putting an
elbow pointing up at the outlet and pouring in the inlet until it fills the
pipe. I've got about 20 feet of 4-inch pipe -- 12 gallons should be plenty.
The cost of any root killer or coating materials would be minor compared to
the cost of breaking up the concrete, replacing, refilling, etc.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 21 2007 2:14 pm
From: "Don"

"Chloe" <justsayno@spam.com> wrote in message
news:46f1134a$0$7507$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
> news:fcpuvq029ps@news4.newsguy.com...
>> "Logan Shaw"> wrote
>>> I had a similar experience at the supermarket deli one time. Having
>>> decided 1/2 lb. of roast beef was too much and 1/4 was too little,
>>
>> Just one question, how could a half pound of roast beef be *too much*?
>
> I guess one example would be if you wanted to buy it for immediate
> consumption when you were away from a refrigerator.

I still don't see the problem.
2 more slices down the hatch.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 21 2007 2:20 pm
From: "Don"

"Anthony Matonak"> wrote
> Logan Shaw wrote:
>> Still, I'd prefer to believe that the woman working at the counter that
>> day was merely weak enough with fractions that she got confused. I'd
>> much
>> rather believe that than to think that she knew perfectly well how to
>> convert
>> 1/3 into 0.33 and key that into the machine but was incapable of carrying
>> out the task because it was too unorthodox a way to order roast beef for
>> her to accept.
>
> If the machine was anything like those found in fast food joints,
> there were no number keys. It only had '1/4 lbs' key and '1/2' lbs
> key and '1 lbs' key. She couldn't find the '1/3 lbs' key on the
> machine. :)
>
> Anthony

Thats what I was gonna say, if there ain't a button with the correct picture
on it your SOL.
Once at the Burger King drive-thru I gave the pimply faced, pregnant 16 yo
old girl $4.75 for a $4.56 bill.
That poor chow trudged all the way to the managers office on the otherside
of the store and came back with a calculator.
After a moment of punching buttons and scratching her head she gave me a
quarter and a few other coins back.
While waiting for my order I pondered the fact that she was soon going to
deliver to this earth another human just like her.

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Date: Fri, Sep 21 2007 2:29 pm
From: "Don"

"OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote in message news:fcs2ct$hig$1@aioe.org...
> I was making a cherry cheesecake today using a cheesecake mix. I tasted
> it before putting it in the refrigerator, and thought it tasted a bit like
> half banana pudding, half vanilla pudding, with cream cheese.
>
> This got me to wondering - could I make a similar cheesecake by using a
> couple of packets of each variety of pudding, then mixing in half a
> package
> of cream cheese?
>
> Has anyone ever tried something like this?

Ingredients
1 cup HONEY MAID Graham Cracker Crumbs
3 Tbsp. sugar
3 Tbsp. butter or margarine, melted
1 pkg. (8 oz.) PHILADELPHIA Cream Cheese, softened
3/4 cup sugar
1-1/3 cups fruit juice*
2 cups sliced, fresh strawberries, blueberries or raspberries
1 tub (8 oz.) COOL WHIP Whipped Topping, thawed

Preparation
MIX crumbs, 3 Tbsp. sugar and butter; press onto bottom of 9-inch
springform pan. Bake at 325°F for 10 minutes if using a silver springform
pan; cool. (Bake at 300°F for 10 minutes if using a dark nonstick springform
pan.)

BEAT cream cheese and 3/4 cup sugar with electric mixer on
medium speed until well blended. Add fruit juice; mix until blended. Gently
stir in berries and whipped topping.

POUR over prepared crust. Freeze 6 hours or until firm. Let
stand at room temperature 15 minutes before cutting to serve.

http://cheesecake-recipes.kraftfoods.com/cheesecake_03.html

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 21 2007 5:21 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <luNIi.5969$oc2.4777@trnddc04>,
"Joe" <really-faked-but-works@yunx.com> wrote:

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> WASHINGTON (AP) - The cherished dinner hour void of telemarketers could
> vanish next year for millions of people when phone numbers begin dropping
> off the national Do Not Call list.
>
> The Federal Trade Commission, which oversees the list, says there is a
> simple fix. But some lawmakers think it is a hassle to expect people to
> re-register their phone numbers every five years.

What's the big deal? When I registered my phone number on the do not
call list, I made an entry in my calendar (which is on my computer) to
remind me to renew it five years from the date I registered. At that
time, I will get a reminder on both my computers and my PDA to remind me
to sign up again. Those who use paper calendars should consider doing
their scheduling electronically because it simplifies so many things.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 21 2007 7:16 pm
From: "Don K"

My cousin's husband is about to be deployed to Afghanistan and she asked
me to help setup a home webcam she bought. Supposedly he will have
access to a two-way webcam over there for this purpose.

Never having had a webcam, I know very little about them, but even so,
I probably know more than she does.

I don't know what she bought yet, but I assume it came with some sort of
setup software.

My question is, is there some particular communication protocol, like
AOL instant messenger, or some sort of video email, or whatever,
that the Army uses from these places to link back to families, or
is it just a matter of clicking on a website and somehow getting
a two-way video link?

Don

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Date: Fri, Sep 21 2007 7:40 pm
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