Frugal Living: Feb 12, 2009

Thursday, February 12, 2009

misc.consumers.frugal-living - 26 new messages in 14 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Does Anyone Ever See Club Soda / Seltzer in Cans Anymore ?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/c64d337dfa96e153?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 4:36 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Feb 12, 12:38 pm, Jeffy3 <jef...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> The large plastic bottles can usually be found on sale but once you
> open them they go flat and we don't use it all in one day. The little
> glass six or eight packs are always a rip off. Would be nice if could
> find it in 12 oz cans even if its generic no-name soda like you can
> find in supermarkets.

I still have 3 cans in the fridge from when my kids wanted to make
bubbly jello. I believe it was Shasta brand club soda.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 5:18 pm
From: "Lou"

"Jeffy3" <jeffy3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d7cea750-26ef-49ef-827f-3dea12ae7d1f@v19g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> The large plastic bottles can usually be found on sale but once you
> open them they go flat and we don't use it all in one day. The little
> glass six or eight packs are always a rip off. Would be nice if could
> find it in 12 oz cans even if its generic no-name soda like you can
> find in supermarkets.

I don't drink carbonated beverages of any sort any more - lost my taste for
them. But in the old days, I had a seltzer bottle.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 5:32 pm
From: jkutti2000@hotmail.com

On Feb 12, 2:38 pm, Jeffy3 <jef...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> The large plastic bottles can usually be found on sale but once you
> open them they go flat and we don't use it all in one day. The little
> glass six or eight packs are always a rip off. Would be nice if could
> find it in 12 oz cans even if its generic no-name soda like you can
> find in supermarkets.

YEs, I also buy them. I dont see them in Walmart. but I do see them in
Kroger and in tom Thumb.. Also I buy the mexican sodas in a bottle
but they are like 60 cents. a bit more expensive.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 6:31 pm
From: Evelyn Leeper

Jeffy3 wrote:
> The large plastic bottles can usually be found on sale but once you
> open them they go flat and we don't use it all in one day. The little
> glass six or eight packs are always a rip off. Would be nice if could
> find it in 12 oz cans even if its generic no-name soda like you can
> find in supermarkets.

They have cases of cans of Vintage (Vantage?) seltzer in Shop-Rite here
(NJ) all the time.

Where is "here" for you? Maybe it's a regional thing.

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
I know you can't live on hope alone but without hope
life is not worth living. -Harvey Milk

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TOPIC: DTV converters
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e46bdc878c0fe848?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 4:59 pm
From: Derald

Jeff <dont_bug_me@all.uk> wrote:

>Who has one they like?
I do. Based on the reviews here,
http://www.wtfda.org/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
along with its price on eBay, I copped a relatively low-end Insignia.
Didn't fool with the coupon. With my middle-of-the-road Radio Shack
antenna (new in '08) at 25' and an inexpensive powered in-line rf
amplifier my low-end Insignia does quite well on my Goodwill teevee. I
live in a area where aerial reception has always been problemmatical
but, during the past 15-or-so years has been further degraded by urban
development between me and the antenna farm. I get better reception than
I did with a low-end Wally World SD analog/digital teevee and the same
(literally, the same) antenna setup.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 5:34 pm
From: "Lou"

<albundy2@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:4f4e262c-a0ef-4f74-b844-549ac502b5b0@i18g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 11, 8:08 pm, "John A. Weeks III" <j...@johnweeks.com> wrote:
> > In article <4992f706$0$5057$6c36a...@news.usenetserver.com>,
> >
> > info_at_1-script_dot_...@foo.com (spendwize.com) wrote:
> > > The problem with buying any of these converters is that you won't
truly
> > > know how well they work until the conversion goes into effect! I
bought
> > > one when the coupons first came out and now that the conversion date
has
> > > been postponed, it'll be well-past the warranty time of a year when it
> > > will be put to the test!
> >
> > More misinformation. All stations that are going digital have
> > had their DTV transmitters up and running for quite some time,
> > in fact, as long as 5 years. You converter should work right
> > now just as things are. If it don't work now, it isn't going
> > to work after the cut-over.
> >
> > -john-
> >
> And if the stations are already on digital as almost all are, why not
> change over sooner rather than later?

Because not everyone has a converter.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 6:49 pm
From: Shaun Eli

Consumer Reports reviewed DTV converters.

Look for features you might want:

-- does it have a program guide? (some do, some don't, some are
better than others)

-- does it have a VCR timer? This means you can program it to switch
channels automatically at certain times to use it with a VCR to record
shows on different channels.

-- does it have S-video output if your TV has S-video inputs. A
friend of mine said he compared the picture using two different cables
and S-video was noticeably better (he was using the ChannelMaster dtv
converter box).

Shaun Eli
http://www.BrainChampagne.com
Brain Champagne: Clever Comedy for Smart Minds (sm)

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TOPIC: Car Insurance
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/0743cd326690fd99?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 5:26 pm
From: "Lou"

"Dave" <noway1@noway2.not> wrote in message
news:gn178p$jpl$1@reader.motzarella.org...
>
> "h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote in message
> news:gn0phh$2uke$1@adenine.netfront.net...
> >
> > "Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message
> > news:s-idnYxgUKHgRQ7UnZ2dnUVZ_i2WnZ2d@posted.visi...
> > > Bruce C. Miller wrote:
> > >> If someone has enough money in the bank to cover damages in
accidents,
> > >> is it possible to not pay car insurance? If so, how would I go about
> > >> doing so, and proving this fact if I got pulled over?
> > >
> >
> > In NY you are required to have insurance. You cannot "self-insure" in
NY.
> I
> > don't know about other states. It's worth the $500 a year just for peace
> of
> > mind, even though I've only had one accident in 35 years of driving and
it
> > wasn't my fault (I was rear-ended while stopped at a red light).
> >
> >
>
> That may be true in NY, I'm not sure. In some states, you can post bond
> instead of buying insurance. Basically, you give the state half a mill to
> hold for you incase there is a claim against you. I don't know anybody
that
> rich. If there WAS somebody that rich, they'd probably buy car insurance
> anyway. The reasoning is simple. How much interest would they be losing
> out on if they wasted a half mill on bond? Cheaper in the long run just
to
> buy insurance, considering all the interest you'd lose on the bond
> oney. -Dave
>
That was the case in New Hampshire, maybe still is. Way back when, you
didn't even have to post a bond, unless you had an accident. And even then,
if the person you hit/injured signed a waiver, you got a free pass.

I had occasion last year to spend one night in the hospital for some minor
surgery - went home the next day. The bill came to $100k and change. I
think you'd be nuts to leave yourself open to paying those kinds of bills by
foregoing insurance, legal or not.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 7:38 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article
<ec12c14d-cc1e-406f-8d17-57234ac8e827@x10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
"Bruce C. Miller" <bm3719@gmail.com> wrote:

> If someone has enough money in the bank to cover damages in accidents,
> is it possible to not pay car insurance? If so, how would I go about
> doing so, and proving this fact if I got pulled over?

This depends entirely on the laws in your state. I have a very wealthy
friend (millions of dollars) and he self-insures. Check with your
state's insurance department or motor vehicles department to see what
they say. You can probably find this information online with a few mouse
clicks.

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TOPIC: How low will you go to save a buck?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 5:29 pm
From: "Lou"

"Zee" <zzaldy@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:254cf882-79e4-4148-a269-fe577ca94391@r37g2000prr.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 10, 10:18 am, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I'm now used to heating the house to 58F during the day and turning
> the heat off at bed time. During the cold of the past month some
> mornings it when lower than 50F. I might still get a huge bill
> because I locked in my gas cost at the summer highs. Who knew spot
> prices would be so low.

>I turned the car engine off 50 meters from our house.

Probably not legal.

>I don't start
the engine unless I'm going to roll in the next few seconds.

Makes sense. Get yourself, stuff, and passengers in the car, buckle up, and
**then** start the engine. Lots of people start the engine first, then
buckle up.

> I shift aat 2k rpm to save further more.

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TOPIC: Downsize or price hike?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 5:39 pm
From: "Lou"

"Cindy Hamilton" <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a7e385c3-f6f9-4ff1-83a9-bfd661de8a55@i18g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 11, 3:37 pm, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Which do you prefer?
>
> In the case of ice creme and pasta sauce I prefer price hike because
> it's a bitch dealing with different sizes. I used to eat half of a
> half gal ice creme at one sitting. Now I some times end up eating the
> whole container of the down sized half gal because after I ate what I
> wanted there is too little left for another serving.

>I eat about a half cup of ice cream at a sitting. I don't care what
>the
>carton size is. I make my own pasta sauce, so the package sizes
>are completely within my control when I portion it out to freeze for
>later use.

I also make my own ice cream - I know what's in it, it's not much trouble,
and I make only a portion at a time so I don't overeat the stuff. The
hardest part of it all was finding a **small* ice cream maker.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 7:46 pm
From: Kayak44

On Feb 11, 7:33 pm, "Lou" <lpog...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "James" <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d0732e3f-b9c6-41de-936f-6ccd1282d431@a12g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Which do you prefer?
>
> > In the case of ice creme and pasta sauce I prefer price hike because
> > it's a bitch dealing with different sizes. I used to eat half of a
> > half gal ice creme at one sitting. Now I some times end up eating the
> > whole container of the down sized half gal because after I ate what I
> > wanted there is too little left for another serving.
>
> In other words, you ate a quart of ice cream (not creme) at once. You could
> put the remainder back in the freezer, and the next time finish it off
> before opening another container to complete your snack.
>
> I love ice cream, and I can see how it's possible to eat a quart or even
> more at one sitting, but really, would you drink a quart of cream (suitably
> sweetened and flavored of course) all in one go?

Not defending eating that much, but I have downed a half-gallon of
Hershey's Moose Tracks in one sitting.

BTW, Hershey's Ice Cream (not affiliated with Hersheys Chocolate Co.)
still comes in a half-gallon container.

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TOPIC: Gas Prices, been creeping up for awhile. WHY?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 5:43 pm
From: "Bay Area Holdout"

From all I read oil is still bouncing off all time lows not seen in years,
yet where I live(South SF Bay Area) gas prices hit a low of $1.69 a gallon
in mid-December and are now at $2.22 a gallon tow month later.

So what's up? This is close to a 25% rise in two months and while I know
it's not the $4.49 a gallon we were dealing with during the summer, it's not
$140 a barrel oil either.
All I read is low demand for fuel and the refinery storage facilities have
no room left, supply and demand says prices should still be well below $ a
gallon, at least around here.

Just wondering if others have seen similar increases where they live and if
they have an idea what's going on.

BAHO

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 6:54 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Bay Area Holdout wrote:

> From all I read oil is still bouncing off all time lows not seen in years, yet where I live(South SF Bay Area) gas
> prices hit a low of $1.69 a gallon in mid-December and are now at $2.22 a gallon tow month later.

> So what's up?

They're increasing their margins, because they can.

> This is close to a 25% rise in two months and while I know it's not the $4.49 a gallon we were dealing with during the
> summer, it's not $140 a barrel oil either.

> All I read is low demand for fuel and the refinery storage facilities have no room left, supply and demand says prices
> should still be well below $ a gallon, at least around here.

> Just wondering if others have seen similar increases where they live

Yes. And thats on the other side of the world to you too.

> and if they have an idea what's going on.

See at that top.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 7:36 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <c94ll.12872$D32.362@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com>,
"Bay Area Holdout" <Linear54@hotmail.com> wrote:

> From all I read oil is still bouncing off all time lows not seen in years,
> yet where I live(South SF Bay Area) gas prices hit a low of $1.69 a gallon
> in mid-December and are now at $2.22 a gallon tow month later.
>
> So what's up? This is close to a 25% rise in two months and while I know
> it's not the $4.49 a gallon we were dealing with during the summer, it's not
> $140 a barrel oil either.
> All I read is low demand for fuel and the refinery storage facilities have
> no room left, supply and demand says prices should still be well below $ a
> gallon, at least around here.
>
> Just wondering if others have seen similar increases where they live and if
> they have an idea what's going on.

I fill up my 2008 Prius once every other week. I keep a log in an Excel
spreadsheet of my gas fill ups and other costs for my car. I have notice
the price per gallon going up slowly over the past few months here in
NJ. I suppose there's greater demand for gas. Increased demand is what
helped to push the cost per gallon up to the $4.00 range and lower
demand is what pushed the price per gallon down.

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TOPIC: * Obama's wife Naked
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 6:23 pm
From: Howard Brazee

On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:43:22 -0800 (PST), albundy2@mailinator.com
wrote:

>
>· Pretty women make us BUY bear. Ugly women make us DRINK beer.

And they're all better than their alternatives.

If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life
Never make a pretty woman your wife
So for my personal point of view
Get an ugly girl to marry you

A pretty woman makes her husband look small
And very often causes his downfall
As soon as he married her and then she starts
To do the things that will break his heart

But if you make an ugly woman your wife
A-you'll be happy for the rest of your life
An ug-a-ly woman cooks meals on time
And she'll always give you peace of mind

If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life
Never make a pretty woman your wife
So for my personal point of view
Get an ugly girl to marry you

[Sax solo]

Don't let your friends say you have no taste
Go ahead and marry anyway
Though her face is ugly, her eyes don't match
Take it from me, she's a better catch

If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life
Never make a pretty woman your wife
So for my personal point of view
Get an ugly girl to marry you

[Spoken:]
Say man!
Hey baby!
I saw your wife the other day!
Yeah?
Yeah, an' she's ug-leeee!
Yeah, she's ugly, but she sure can cook, baby!
Yeah, alright!

If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life
Never make a pretty woman your wife
So for my personal point of view
Get an ugly girl to marry you

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

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TOPIC: Thanksgiving Turkey
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 6:29 pm
From: wilma6116@gmail.com

Being frugal I bought several of those turkeys they had on special at
the supermarket (under $4.00 each). Anyone know how long one of these
is good for? I recently remembered I had one yet to cook.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 6:38 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

wilma6116@gmail.com wrote:

> Being frugal I bought several of those turkeys they had on special at
> the supermarket (under $4.00 each). Anyone know how long one of
> these is good for? I recently remembered I had one yet to cook.

There is no nice tidy time, they get worse the longer you keep them in the freezer.

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TOPIC: The Chinese call the dragon 'lung' because it is deaf
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 7:19 pm
From: Walker

"The Chinese call the dragon 'lung' because it is deaf. It is the
largest of scaly animals, and it has nine characteristics. Its head is
like a camel's, its horns like a deer's, its eyes like a hare's, its
ears like a bull's, its neck like an iguana's, its scales like those
of a carp, its paws like a tiger's, and its claws like an eagle's. It
has nine times nine scales, it being the extreme of a lucky number. On
each side of its mouth are whiskers, under its chin a bright pearl, on
the top of its head the 'poh shan' or foot-rule, without which it
cannot ascend to heaven. The scales of its throat are reversed. Its
breath changes into clouds from which come either fire or rain. The
dragon is fond of the flesh of sparrows and swallows, it dreads the
centipede and silk dyed of five colours. It is also afraid of iron. In
front of its horns it carries a pearl of bluish colour striated with
more or less symbolical lines."

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TOPIC: need a small, inexpensive urban TV antenna
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 7:35 pm
From: Gordon

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in news:6vjnvaFkhdjeU1
@mid.individual.net:

>> One big problem with DTV is multipath.
>
> Nope, that isnt a problem with DTV.

Yes, it is. but no body want's to talk about it.
Digital is supposed to solve all the world's problems.
When you have multipath problems with analoge, you
get ghosting, with digital, the picture breaks up.

Having just had to work through three insatallations with
severe multipath issues, I can definitly say: It's a problem.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 7:41 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <gmvf8h$lgq$1@news.ett.com.ua>, OhioGuy <none@none.net>
wrote:

> We are only located about 4 miles from all of the local TV antennas,
> but we still have problems now and then with receiving a couple of the
> channels. (strength levels of between 50 and 60 for them)
>
> I'm just using a cheap bowtie antenna that I got for 3 bucks from
> Radio Shack. It works ok most of the time, but it is particularly
> annoying for my kids, because the PBS station they want to watch has
> trouble about one day a week.
>
> Can anyone recommend another small antenna for $10 or less that I can
> try that might do a slightly better job of pulling in these stations?
> Thanks!

Just stop by your favorite electronics store and they'll have what you
need for about $20.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 7:47 pm
From: Gordon

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in news:6vjnvaFkhdjeU1
@mid.individual.net:

>> Fred Myers (in my part of the world) sells a small Log-periodic antenna
>> with good directional properties. A friend of mine is using one to good
>> affect where he prieviously had multipath problems.
>
> Not with DTV he doesnt.

Don't be a prick, Rod. I know that's like telling the sun
not to shine, but try.

My friend and I are engineers. You are an uneducated welfare boy.
We were out at his home with a directional antenna and a
professional RF signal strength meter. We stood there and
swung the antenna around and could identify all the multi
path sources. Then, with a cheap dipole antenna, we erected
grounded metal screens to block the multi paths (just for
experimental purposes. I'm not suggesting this as a perminent
solution) The effect was quite noticable. When we installed the
log-periodic antenna, we could choose the signal path and
reception was much better. So don't tell me that DTV isn't
suseptable multipath. I have first hand experience that it
is.

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TOPIC: Chanel Cambon Line Tote White/Black CC's GM 9005 Collection
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 7:49 pm
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TOPIC: Taiga Leather Robusto 1 Compartment M31052 Collection
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Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 7:49 pm
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TOPIC: Multicolor Lodge GM Black M40052 Collection
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Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 7:49 pm
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TOPIC: How to make alot of money easily!!!!!!!!!!!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 7:35 am
From: singleDad

> HOW TO MAKE EASYMONEYFAST AND LEGALLY!!!!!!!!
> This seems to really have potential. This is the way the original post
> appeared when I first found it. Read it all then decide for yourself.
> It works for me! I found this on a bulletin board and decided to try
> it. A little while back, I was browsing through newsgroups, just like
> you are now, and came across an article similar to this that said you
> could make thousands of dollars within weeks with only an initial
> investment of $6.00! So I thought, "Yeah right, this must be a scam",
> but like most of us, I was curious, so I kept reading. Even though the
> investment was a measly $6, I had three questions that needed to be
> answered before I could get involved in this sort of thing. IS THIS
> REALLY LEGAL? I called a lawyer first. The lawyer was a little
> skeptical that I would actually make any CASH but he said it WAS LEGAL
> if I wanted to try it. I told him it sounded alotlike a chain letter
> but the details of the system (SEE BELOW) actually made it a
> legitimate legal business. 2. IS OK WITH THE POST OFFICE OR IS IT MAIL
> FRAUD? I called them: 1-800-725-2161 and they confirmed THIS IS
> ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! (See 18, h sections1302 NS 1341 of Postal Lottery
> Laws). This clarifies the program of collecting names and addresses
> for a mailing list. 3. IS IT RIGHT? Well, everyone who sends me a buck
> has a good chance ofgettingALOTof CASH ... a much better chance
> than buying a lottery ticket!!! 4. WHAT IS THE BUSINESS? You are in
> the business of collecting mailing lists and recruiting new list
> developers. These questions answered, I decided to proceed. The
> instructions said that you have to send $1.00 to each of the 6 names
> and address stated in the article. You then place your own name and
> address in the bottom of the list at #6, and post the article in at
> least 300 newsgroups. (There are thousands) No catch, that was it. So,
> I invested the measly $6.00. Well GUESS WHAT!! Within 7 days, I
> startedgettingmoneyin the mail! I was shocked! I figured it would
> end soon, but themoneyjust kept coming in. In my first week, I made
> about $25.00. By the end of the second week I had made a total of over
> $1,000! In the third week I had over $10,000.00 and it's still
> growing. This is now my fourth week and I have made a total of just
> over $42,000.00 and it's still coming in rapidly. It's certainly worth
> $6.00, and 6 stamps, I have spent more than that on the lottery!! Let
> me tell you how this works and most importantly, why it works. Also,
> make sure you print a copy of this article NOW, so you can get the
> information off of it as you need it. I seems likely to me that if you
> follow the directions exactly, that you will start making moremoney
> than you thought possible by doing something so easy! Suggestion: Read
> this entire message carefully! (print it out or download it.) Follow
> the simple directions and watch themoneycome in! It's easy. It's
> legal. And, your investment is only $6.00 (Plus postage) IMPORTANT:
> This is not a rip-off; it is not indecent; it is not illegal; and it
> is virtually no risk - it really works!!!! If all of the following
> instructions are adhered to, you will receive extraordinary dividends.
> PLEASE NOTE: Please follow these directions EXACTLY, and $50,000 or
> more can be yours in 20 to 60 days. This program remains successful
> because of the honesty and integrity of the participants. Please
> continue its success by carefully adhering to the instructions. You
> will now become part of the Mail Order business. In this business your
> product is not solid and tangible, it's a service. You are in the
> business of developing Mailing Lists. Many large corporations are
> happy to pay big bucks for quality lists. However, themoneymade from
> the mailing lists is secondary to the income which is made from people
> like you and me asking to be included in that list. Here are the 4
> easy steps to success: STEP 1: Get 6 separate pieces of paper and
> write the following on each piece of paper "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR
> MAILING LIST include your mailing address, the date and your
> signature." Now get 6 US $1.00 bills and place ONE inside EACH of the
> 6 pieces of paper so the bill will not be seen through the envelope
> (to prevent thievery). Next, place one paper in each of the 6
> envelopes and seal them. You should now have 6 sealed envelopes, each
> with a piece of paper stating the above phrase, your name and address,
> and a $1.00 bill. What you are doing is creating a service. THIS IS
> ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! You are requesting a legitimate service and you are
> paying for it! Like most of us I was a little skeptical and a little
> worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with
> the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161) and they confirmed that it is
> indeed legal! Mail the 6 envelopes to the following addresses: 1) K. Carpenter
> P.O. Box 5174 Rantoul Illinois 61866-5174 2)D. Stephens P.O. Box 512
> Staunton, MI 24321 3) J. Zuk 13709 Flank March Ln Spotsylvania, VA
> 22553 4) Cornelius Stewart 2821 Avenue b Fort Pierce, Fl 34947
5) Dalton Harvey 1903 W 35th St Kearney, NE
68845-2707 6)Manny Medeiros 163 sisson
st. pawtucket, RI 02860 STEP 2:
Now take
> the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the other names up
> (6 becomes 5, 5 becomes 4, etc...) and add YOUR Name as number 6 on
> the list. STEP 3: Change anything you need to, but try to keep this
> article as close to original as possible. Now, post your amended
> article to at least 300 newsgroups. (I think there are close to 32,000
> groups) All you need is 300, but remember, the more you post, the moremoneyyou make! This is perfectly legal! If you have any doubts, refer
> to Title 18 Sec. 1302 & 1341 of the Postal lottery laws. PLEASE
> REMEMBER that this program remains successful because of the honesty
> and integrity of the participants and by their carefully adhering to
> the directions. Look at it this way. If you are of integrity, the
> program will continue and themoneythat so many others have received
> will come your way. NOTE: You want to retain every name and address
> sent to you, either on a computer or hard copy and keep the notes
> people send you. This VERIFIES that you are truly providing a service.
> (Also, it might be a good idea to wrap the $1 bill in dark paper to
> reduce the risk of mail theft.) So, as each post is downloaded and the
> directions carefully followed, six members will be reimbursed for
> their participation as a List Developer with one dollar each. Your
> name will move up the list geometrically so that when your name
> reaches the #1 position you will be receiving thousands of dollars in
> CASH!!! What an opportunity for only $6.00 ($1.00 for each of the
> first six people listed above) Send it now, add your own name to the
> list and you're in business! DIRECTIONS FOR HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS
> STEP 1) You do not need to re-type this entire letter to do your own
> posting. Simply put your cursor at the beginning of this letter and
> drag your cursor to the bottom of this document, and select 'copy'
> from the edit menu. This will copy the entire letter into the
> computer's memory STEP 2) Open a blank 'notepad' file and place your
> cursor at the top of the blank page. From the 'edit' menu select
> 'paste'. This will paste a copy of the letter into notepad so that you
> can add your name to the list STEP 3) Save your new notepad file as a
> text file. If you want to do your postings in different settings,
> you'll always have this file to go back to. STEP 4) Use Netscape or
> Internet explorer and try searching for various newsgroups (on-line
> forums, message boards, chat sites, discussions.) STEP 5) Visit these
> message boards and post this article as a new message by highlighting
> the text of this letter and selecting paste from the edit menu. Fill
> in the Subject, this will be the header that everyone sees as they
> scroll through the list of postings in a particular group, click the
> post message button. You're done with your first one!
> Congratulations...THAT'S IT! All you have to do is jump to different
> newsgroups and post away, after you get the hang of it, it will take
> about 30 seconds for each newsgroup! REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU
> POST IN, THE MOREMONEYYOU WILL MAKE!! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM
> OF 300 That's it! You will begin receivingmoneyfrom around the world
> within days! You may eventually want to rent a P.O. Box due to the
> large amount.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 7:57 am
From: Big_Jake

> Well, in Heathcliff's defense, a lot of houses didn't have them when
> new, but got them the first time the tub plumbing crapped out around
> year 15 or so. Mebbe he only works on newer houses? There is a hole in
> the wall of my hallway closet I have been meaning to build a pretty
> cover for since I bought the place 3.5 years ago. Too big for one of the
> borg snap-in covers- it goes all the way down to the floor. Probably end
> up with painted masonite or thin plywood, held in place with screws,
> since I don't feel ambitious enough to frame and case the hole and put
> up a panel held with magnetic catches. (Which is how we did it on fancy
> houses in the old days....)

Most of my houses were built before 1930, and they generally have a
varnished panel held in place by screws. While I like the idea of
magnetic catches, I haven't seen them used, in even on fancy old
houses. The panels are big enough to be able to replace the waste &
overflow on most of them, and possibly the mixer.

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TOPIC: America is doomed without industrial restoration
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 8:24 am
From: Bama Brian

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 07:24:49 -0600, John A. Weeks III wrote:

> In article <mh18p41mdshngs44ptbhnfq1rtq4iqsbf7@4ax.com>,
> wismel@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> In the long run it all comes down to loss of US productivity.. the loss
>> of US created wealth.
>
> Ummm, worker productivity has been at an all time high for quite some
> time, and has been surging ahead over the past few months. There is no
> issue with productivity.
>
>> Unless the US can rebuild its manufacturing capability it will be a
>> long slide into a third world level of subsistence.
>
> Ummm, the US is at an all time high for manufacturing at the moment. We
> manufacture far more than we did in 15 years ago. That is now an issue
> right now.

Really? What, exactly? The US has perhaps 1% of the world ship-building
market, and we're down to 40% of the commercial airplane market.

Automobiles - well, let's not go there. But even most of the parts in
autos assembled here in the US are from off-shore sources.

TV's and radios? Nope, not a one built in the US. Cameras? Nope.
Computers? Nope. Computer chips? Nope. Clothes? Maybe a few, but
most are made in China. Furniture? Only the really high end stuff. Even
half of our food is imported.

So how is it that the US is in good shape, manufacturing-wise, John?
Aren't you aware that the fedgov counts goods manufactured offshore and
sold through American distributors as "American manufactured"? Take the
iPod, for example. Ninety percent of the cost of the gadget is earned
offshore by various manufacturers. Apple only gets about ten percent of
the money by selling it in the US. But the fedgov counts all of that
money as "American manufactured".

Here's the picture. The Chinese finance our government's debt by buying
securities. The government passes out the money to multitudes of special
interests. The recipients of the cash then buy Chinese goods, or other
off-shored goods. In the meantime, the Chinese rake off the interest
from the securities, and use the interest and the money we send back to
them to finance their ultra-modern cities and factories.

>> The only solution is to withdarw from the WTO and allow US workers -
>> and only US workers - the ability to make this country into a
>> powerhouse again
>
> That sounds like the old burry you head in the sand and hope it goes
> away theory. Good luck with that.

The only way it's going to end is when the US workers' pay is on parity
with the lowest pay scales in the world, John. Maybe - and it's a big
maybe - that's when the manufacturing might come back to the US.

Even the so-called "information economy" has become a bust, what with
information being able to travel electrically at the speed of light. For
example, some Indian companies have set up to read American X-rays with
Indian doctors.

Some Indian companies have set up to provide legal services to Americans.

Then there's the off-shore surgery market, where for a fraction of the
American cost of surgery, a patient can go off-shore, get his surgery
done, get a reasonable hospital recovery stay, and get a vacation.

The future really doesn't look pretty for the US, John. Especially since
the new President wants to throw a trillion dollars at the problem, when
it was the government's pissing away taxpayer dollars that caused the
problem.

--
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
George Santayana, 1863 - 1952

Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 10:47 am
From: Democracy Highlander

On Feb 12, 11:24 am, Bama Brian <bamaNOTbr...@mindspring.com> wrote:

> TV's and radios? Nope, not a one built in the US. Cameras? Nope.
> Computers? Nope. Computer chips? Nope. Clothes? Maybe a few, but
> most are made in China. Furniture? Only the really high end stuff. Even
> half of our food is imported.

You are correct. Our economy has been totally destroyed by the
braindamaged politics of free-trade/free-market/deregulation at any
cost.

> The only way it's going to end is when the US workers' pay is on parity
> with the lowest pay scales in the world, John. Maybe - and it's a big
> maybe - that's when the manufacturing might come back to the US.

IF AND ONLY IF we keep pushing for free-trade/free-markets/
deregulation ahead of national interest
you are 100% correct. The free market dogma where corporations should
have no social responsibility other than maximize ROI to useless idle
shareholders is what destroyed us, and if we keep believing in that
piece of trash it is guarantee to kill us all.

Fortunately, there are things we can do once we wake up from the big
lie and realize that our interest as human beings is not to maximize
the ROI to some useless idle rich but to make a decent living for all
of us.
The same 100M investment used to build a small factory can came from
either one multimillionaire putting down all 100M or can came from the
10000 citizens willing to build a factory for their comminity
each of them putting down the 10000 for the job. From where the 10k
productive have the 10k investment money ? The government can add an
extra tax on capital gain and dividends payed to the wealthy useless
idle.

> The future really doesn't look pretty for the US, John. Especially since
> the new President wants to throw a trillion dollars at the problem, when
> it was the government's pissing away taxpayer dollars that caused the
> problem.

The previous government pissed away a lot of tax money by giving
unworthy tax cuts to useless idle.

That imbecile policy have to be reversed, and all that money have to
be directly invested for the benefit of "we the people".

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 11:53 am
From: clams_casino

Democracy Highlander wrote:

>
>
>The previous government pissed away a lot of tax money by giving
>unworthy tax cuts to useless idle.
>
>
>
Especially the financial bankers & Bank CEOs..

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 2:14 pm
From: bw@barrk.net (B1ackwater)

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 04:26:44 -0700, wismel@yahoo.com wrote:

>All the bailouts... and the stimulii...all the hot air....the debt...
>the debt servicing... they DON"T MATTER
>
>In the long run it all comes down to loss of US productivity.. the
>loss of US created wealth.
>Unless the US can rebuild its manufacturing capability it will be a
>long slide into a third world level of subsistence.
>
>Generating paper has never saved a country from its expoitators.
>
>The only solution is to withdarw from the WTO and allow US workers -
>and only US workers - the ability to make this country into a
>powerhouse again
>
>This morning I was reading Sen. Leathy's comments supporting
>immigration "reform". The old degenerate wants more immigrants!

- - - - - -

Leahy's gonna get all the near-slave labor he wants ... but
it's not gonna be from Mexico, but from AIG and Circuit City
and Starbucks and GM and ...... :-)

You've hit the nail on the head however. All the 'recovery'
talk is absolute BS unless American can rebuild/recapture
it's profitible industries. We HAVE to make stuff that we
can sell to other countries for a profit, LOTS of stuff.
There's just no way around it.

Without industry, we can have nothing more than a 'paper
recovery' - which will soon crumble back into what we've
got right now ... plus an extra terabuck or two of
unpayable debt.

We need a couple of things to accomplish this goal however.

First - and perhaps hardest to get - we need to take all the
profit out of "offshoring"/"outsourcing". Any money saved
using cheapo foreign labor ... gotta tax it right back out
of the equation. No loopholes. Don't charge 'em MORE than
what a theoretical American worker would make - sometimes
we NEED foreign expertise - but don't let it be any cheaper
than domestic expertise.

Next - NAFTA and its ilk have to go away. That includes
(un)fair trade agreements with europe and China too.

In short, for awhile at least, we have to become more
protectionistic. It's not an ideological thing, it's
a PRACTICAL NEED for our time and situation. Industries
and money need to be re-concentrated HERE for long enough
to do real good.

We can work out new trade deals with those other nations,
ones that involve meeting needs we can't meet ourselves,
ones that don't leave us holding the short end of the stick
either. The present situation ... geez, you'd think we were
still re-habing europe for WW-2 ......

In short, OUR industries have to be treated like the
family jewels from now on - something we always guard,
something we never leave out for the maid or that
dopehead cousin to steal away bit by bit. America DOES
have much to offer, we're STILL cutting edge in a lot
of areas and CAN be competitive in many other areas IF
that becomes the new paradigm, replacing "Get rich quick
and to hell with the business and America".

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 9:08 am
From: SLIRM

I created a tool for myself that allows me to add the prices I pay at
local grocery stores, and then when I go shopping again, the program
tells me the best place to buy things. But, I couldn't update it fast
enough so I had the idea to make it public and allow everyone to use
it, making it useful for everyone. It can be found at www.slirm.com.
SLIRM stands for Shop Like It Really Matters. It's still new so you
may have to add the stores where you shop into SLIRM. You only have to
do that once. Also, if products you normally buy aren't in there,
please add them. Most importantly, this works best if there are at
least a handful of people in your community using this. The more
people using SLIRM, the better it works for everyone. You get more up
to date pricing and more stores, and more products in the system. It's
not a shopping site. You can't buy anything there. It only lets you
print shopping lists for your local grocery stores. Or try creating
shopping lists for other areas of the country to compare what you pay
against another area. SLIRM also includes recipes and free
classifieds. It's free and no signup is required, although signing up
makes it easier because SLIRM will remember your shopping list. Enjoy
it. www.slirm.com

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 9:26 am
From: clams_casino

SLIRM wrote:

>I created a tool for myself
>

Can I also get lots of spam when I sign up? I like spam.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 9:25 am
From: albundy2@mailinator.com

On Feb 12, 12:08 pm, SLIRM <TedJCoo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I created a tool for myself that allows me to add the prices I pay at
> local grocery stores, and then when I go shopping again, the program
> tells me the best place to buy things. But, I couldn't update it fast
> enough so I had the idea to make it public and allow everyone to use
> it, making it useful for everyone. It can be found at
> SLIRM stands for Shop Like It Really Matters. It's still new so you
> may have to add the stores where you shop into SLIRM. You only have to
> do that once. Also, if products you normally buy aren't in there,
> please add them. Most importantly, this works best if there are at
> least a handful of people in your community using this. The more
> people using SLIRM, the better it works for everyone. You get more up
> to date pricing and more stores, and more products in the system. It's
> not a shopping site. You can't buy anything there. It only lets you
> print shopping lists for your local grocery stores. Or try creating
> shopping lists for other areas of the country to compare what you pay
> against another area. SLIRM also includes recipes and free
> classifieds. It's free and no signup is required, although signing up
> makes it easier because SLIRM will remember your shopping list. Enjoy

It's a tool with no purpose. If you can't remember which stores have
the best prices, you need to be in a group home with somebody else
doing the shopping for you.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 11:32 am
From: "Rod Speed"

SLIRM wrote:

> I created a tool for myself that allows me to add the prices
> I pay at local grocery stores, and then when I go shopping
> again, the program tells me the best place to buy things.

The problem with this approach is that you will save a hell of
a lot more if you only buy the stuff you use much when its on
special and stock up when its the lowest price it ever gets to.

Your system doesnt allow that approach.

> But, I couldn't update it fast
> enough so I had the idea to make it public and allow everyone to use
> it, making it useful for everyone. It can be found at www.slirm.com.
> SLIRM stands for Shop Like It Really Matters. It's still new so you
> may have to add the stores where you shop into SLIRM. You only have to
> do that once. Also, if products you normally buy aren't in there,
> please add them. Most importantly, this works best if there are at
> least a handful of people in your community using this. The more
> people using SLIRM, the better it works for everyone.

Buying only whats on special works a hell of a lot better.

> You get more up
> to date pricing and more stores, and more products in the system. It's
> not a shopping site. You can't buy anything there. It only lets you
> print shopping lists for your local grocery stores. Or try creating
> shopping lists for other areas of the country to compare what you pay
> against another area. SLIRM also includes recipes and free
> classifieds. It's free and no signup is required, although signing up
> makes it easier because SLIRM will remember your shopping list. Enjoy
> it. www.slirm.com

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 1:52 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:08:25 -0800 (PST), SLIRM <TedJCoombs@gmail.com>
wrote:

>I created a tool for myself that allows me to add the prices I pay at
>local grocery stores, and then when I go shopping again, the program
>tells me the best place to buy things. But, I couldn't update it fast
>enough so I had the idea to make it public and allow everyone to use
>it, making it useful for everyone. It can be found at www.slirm.com.
>SLIRM stands for Shop Like It Really Matters. It's still new so you
>may have to add the stores where you shop into SLIRM. You only have to
>do that once. Also, if products you normally buy aren't in there,
>please add them. Most importantly, this works best if there are at
>least a handful of people in your community using this. The more
>people using SLIRM, the better it works for everyone. You get more up
>to date pricing and more stores, and more products in the system. It's
>not a shopping site. You can't buy anything there. It only lets you
>print shopping lists for your local grocery stores. Or try creating
>shopping lists for other areas of the country to compare what you pay
>against another area. SLIRM also includes recipes and free
>classifieds. It's free and no signup is required, although signing up
>makes it easier because SLIRM will remember your shopping list. Enjoy
>it. www.slirm.com

Actually, this is a solid idea. I've thought about doing something
similar myself. A few years back I used a spreadsheet and my old
receipts to create a comparative spreadsheet (can anyone say
PRICEBOOK?) of the stores where we shopped. Just that exercise put us
on the path to saving more money.

The problem with starting up a website like this is getting enough
intial information within an area for it to be useful. Frankly, I'd
love to see a cost comparison of the same product, brand, and size
across the 50 states, if for no other reason than to cross off places
that are too expensive, but the attempt is jut too broad to work
without angel funding and a lot of paid people verifying pricing.

There are other technical issues as well, since some localities tax
food on a local and state level and othes don't, and the cost of
getting to any store has to be figured in. Do you add in the fee to
join Sams or park at the local farmer's market or not?.

I could see a web based app. like this becoming wildly popular if it
had enough accurate input (i.e. paid professional shoppers), hit
enough stores in a populated center, and was advertised heavily in the
area for a month or two. It would have to have some sort of slider
bar selection of items and appropriate product pictures.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 9:38 am
From: Noveau67@aol.com

Refineries are running at 81 % of their capacity. Refiners are
DECREASING trhe amount of gas they are putting out on the market.
They are ALL decreasing the amount they are putting on the market
because it is a CARTEL.

It's not a "free market" thing. The gas companies can CONTROL the
supply because they are a CARTEL.

I must admit I am surprised that prices came down so far, but they
are a cartel.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 10:48 am
From: clams_casino

Noveau67@aol.com wrote:

> Refineries are running at 81 % of their capacity. Refiners are
>DECREASING trhe amount of gas they are putting out on the market.
>They are ALL decreasing the amount they are putting on the market
>because it is a CARTEL.
>
> It's not a "free market" thing. The gas companies can CONTROL the
>supply because they are a CARTEL.
>
> I must admit I am surprised that prices came down so far, but they
>are a cartel.
>
>

Oil's below $35 today - they can't seem to "give it away".

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 9:44 am
From: Cindy Hamilton

On Feb 11, 3:37 pm, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Which do you prefer?
>
> In the case of ice creme and pasta sauce I prefer price hike because
> it's a bitch dealing with different sizes. I used to eat half of a
> half gal ice creme at one sitting. Now I some times end up eating the
> whole container of the down sized half gal because after I ate what I
> wanted there is too little left for another serving.

I eat about a half cup of ice cream at a sitting. I don't care what
the
carton size is. I make my own pasta sauce, so the package sizes
are completely within my control when I portion it out to freeze for
later use.

Cindy Hamilton

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 11:13 am
From: James

This morning I finally drove the 2 miles to McD to get a free ice
coffee. Well, it's certainly worth the price. Now I'm just sorry I
didn't do this every day starting on the first. Next month of course
it would be smarter just to make it at home.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 12:38 pm
From: Jeffy3

The large plastic bottles can usually be found on sale but once you
open them they go flat and we don't use it all in one day. The little
glass six or eight packs are always a rip off. Would be nice if could
find it in 12 oz cans even if its generic no-name soda like you can
find in supermarkets.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 1:55 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:38:48 -0800 (PST), Jeffy3 <jeffy3@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>The large plastic bottles can usually be found on sale but once you
>open them they go flat and we don't use it all in one day. The little
>glass six or eight packs are always a rip off. Would be nice if could
>find it in 12 oz cans even if its generic no-name soda like you can
>find in supermarkets.

One tip is to not refrigerate it. It doesn't need it anyway and the
warm air in the neck condenses as it cools, drawing out more of the
fizz. You can also decant it into liter bottles (unless your town has
an anti-litering ordinence.)

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 4:36 pm
From: Seerialmom

I still have 3 cans in the fridge from when my kids wanted to make
bubbly jello. I believe it was Shasta brand club soda.

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 2:21 pm
From: Gordon

OhioGuy <none@none.net> wrote in news:gmvf8h$lgq$1@news.ett.com.ua:

You still have to turn the antenna to point toward the TV station.
Go to www.antennaweb.org to find the locations of the transmitters.
You will also get the direction to point the antenna for each
station.

One big problem with DTV is multipath. Fred Myers (in my part of
the world) sells a small Log-periodic antenna with good directional
properties. A friend of mine is using one to good affect where
he prieviously had multipath problems.

I have an antenna that is made from two of those Radio Shack bowties.
I mounted them 7 inches apart on a wooden dowel. The twinlaeds
were attached to a manching trasformer, with one set of leads having
a half twist. The dowel is stuck into a jar of rocks to
hold it up. Let the twinleads hang loose. For some reason, if you
try to be neat and tie everything up, it doesn't work.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 3:00 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Gordon wrote
> OhioGuy <none@none.net> wrote

>> We are only located about 4 miles from all of the local TV antennas,
>> but we still have problems now and then with receiving a couple of
>> the channels. (strength levels of between 50 and 60 for them)

>> I'm just using a cheap bowtie antenna that I got for 3 bucks from
>> Radio Shack. It works ok most of the time, but it is particularly
>> annoying for my kids, because the PBS station they want to
>> watch has trouble about one day a week.

>> Can anyone recommend another small antenna for $10 or less that I
>> can try that might do a slightly better job of pulling in these stations?

> You still have to turn the antenna to point toward the TV station.
> Go to www.antennaweb.org to find the locations of the transmitters.
> You will also get the direction to point the antenna for each station.

> One big problem with DTV is multipath.

Nope, that isnt a problem with DTV.

> Fred Myers (in my part of the world) sells a small Log-periodic antenna
> with good directional properties. A friend of mine is using one to good
> affect where he prieviously had multipath problems.

Not with DTV he doesnt.

> I have an antenna that is made from two of those Radio Shack bowties.
> I mounted them 7 inches apart on a wooden dowel. The twinlaeds
> were attached to a manching trasformer, with one set of leads having
> a half twist. The dowel is stuck into a jar of rocks to
> hold it up. Let the twinleads hang loose. For some reason, if you
> try to be neat and tie everything up, it doesn't work.

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 2:29 pm
From: Gordon

Jeff <dont_bug_me@all.uk> wrote in news:DaCdnaBBCsUQ-
w_UnZ2dnUVZ_gOWnZ2d@earthlink.com:

> Just got my DTV converter coupons and am search of a converter.
>
> Who has one they like?
>
> I'm going to try the Channel Master CM7000, but I have another coupon
> to spend.
>
> I see that there are some that perform well, but don't hold up well
> from the customer reviews. The dish network TR40 is one.
>
> How about the RCA?
>
> Jeff

I went to Radio Shack and got the one they sell. The same
unit is available under a different name at Best Buy.
It cost about $20.00 over the coupon price. But it works
great. I use the composite video outputs, not the RF.

You are going to need a decent antenna as well. I am getting
but with two bowties arranged a dual dipole.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 2:32 pm
From: Gordon

"John A. Weeks III" <john@johnweeks.com> wrote in news:john-
D71406.07151711022009@news-1.octanews.net:

> If you want to get
> near-HD quality video or surround sound, you will wabt to
> get an ATSC tuner rather than a converter, a device that
> is not covered by the coupons.
>

Ahh, John.
the Converters have are an ATSC Tuner. Otherwise they
would not get the digital broadcasts.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 3:02 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Gordon wrote
> Jeff <dont_bug_me@all.uk> wrote

>> Just got my DTV converter coupons and am search of a converter.

>> Who has one they like?

>> I'm going to try the Channel Master CM7000, but I have another coupon to spend.

>> I see that there are some that perform well, but don't hold up
>> well from the customer reviews. The dish network TR40 is one.

>> How about the RCA?

> I went to Radio Shack and got the one they sell. The
> same unit is available under a different name at Best Buy.
> It cost about $20.00 over the coupon price. But it works
> great. I use the composite video outputs, not the RF.

> You are going to need a decent antenna as well.

Nope, many find they can use poor antennas with DTV fine.

In fact many find that its a lot cheaper to get a converter than to replace a poor antenna.

> I am getting but with two bowties arranged a dual dipole.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 4:36 pm
From: larry

Now if I could get my new converter to reduce all the banner
crap infesting the tv screen. Our local cartoonavision news
(Fox) has the bottom 1/3 of the screen covered with animated
channel/ temp/ time/ reporter/ story tag/ studio tag/ and
more swirling color streaks. The top 1/3 has breaking news
tags and more swirling color. The other night it was
difficult figuring out where the tornado was in the
remaining thin horizontal strip between the banners. The
other local channels burn the top and bottom quarter of the
screen. Our PBS station actually has no persistent banners
except during beg weeks. I want my screen back! I want to
see the ice on the road, where the football/puck/golfball is
rolling, the hanging wall cloud, the hot air balloon
festival, the ladder truck rescue.

-- larry / dallas

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 4:02 pm
From: albundy2@mailinator.com

BOOT wrote:
> Information of Rolex Replica Watches series
>
> Rolex is considered to be one of the most prolific Swiss wristwatch
> manufacturing companies in the world. With their sheer elegance and
> uncompromising attention to detail, Rolex is the largest luxury watch brand
> worldwide, producing around 200 watches per day.

I just use the $7 Casio I purchased at Wally World eight years ago.
Some of the places I go they might cut your hand off for even one of
your fakes.

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