Frugal Living: Apr 10, 2011

Sunday, April 10, 2011

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TOPIC: I want to spend less than $4,000 on a back yard shed!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/161fe65328ac9341?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 9 2011 9:56 pm
From: Jeff

Ohioguy <none@none.net> wrote in
news:4da11cbd$0$20575$882e7ee2@usenet-news.net:

>> Pallets: Beware of possible termites. I don't know how you'd
>> recognize them or get rid of them, but you probably don't want to
>> bring them home.
>
> You're not kidding - the pallets around here are about 6' max,
> and
> made of really thin wood. Considering that I saw loads of
> termites in the soil about 10 feet away from where the shed is
> going, pallets would probably be a very, very short term shed
> solution.
>
> I should probably also add that whatever I end up doing needs
> to pass
> inspection. There is a city inspector that drives past slowly
> about once a month, peering into back yards here, and looking for
> an excuse to have a nice "meeting" with anybody. That's what
> folks around here get in exchange for voting to go from a township
> to a city. That, and a 1.5% income tax that didn't exist before.
>
> I will definitely look into a shipping container as well - that
> would
> seem to be rather sturdy and termite resistant. However, I'm not
> sure if they are easy to come by here in Ohio.
>
>

www.occontainer.com (Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, et al)

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 10 2011 12:27 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Ohioguy wrote

>> Pallets: Beware of possible termites. I don't know how you'd
>> recognize them or get rid of them, but you probably don't want to
>> bring them home.

> You're not kidding - the pallets around here are about 6' max, and
> made of really thin wood. Considering that I saw loads of termites in
> the soil about 10 feet away from where the shed is going, pallets
> would probably be a very, very short term shed solution.

> I should probably also add that whatever I end up doing needs to
> pass inspection. There is a city inspector that drives past slowly
> about once a month, peering into back yards here, and looking for an
> excuse to have a nice "meeting" with anybody. That's what folks
> around here get in exchange for voting to go from a township to a
> city. That, and a 1.5% income tax that didn't exist before.

> I will definitely look into a shipping container as well - that
> would seem to be rather sturdy and termite resistant. However, I'm
> not sure if they are easy to come by here in Ohio.

Yes they are, because most stuff that comes into Ohio comes in them.

Park on the highway or the railway for a while and you will see them all coming in.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 10 2011 2:33 pm
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"

In article <90eellFuchU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ohioguy wrote
>
> >> Pallets: Beware of possible termites. I don't know how you'd
> >> recognize them or get rid of them, but you probably don't want to
> >> bring them home.
>
> > You're not kidding - the pallets around here are about 6' max, and
> > made of really thin wood. Considering that I saw loads of termites in
> > the soil about 10 feet away from where the shed is going, pallets
> > would probably be a very, very short term shed solution.
>
> > I should probably also add that whatever I end up doing needs to
> > pass inspection. There is a city inspector that drives past slowly
> > about once a month, peering into back yards here, and looking for an
> > excuse to have a nice "meeting" with anybody. That's what folks
> > around here get in exchange for voting to go from a township to a
> > city. That, and a 1.5% income tax that didn't exist before.
>
> > I will definitely look into a shipping container as well - that
> > would seem to be rather sturdy and termite resistant. However, I'm
> > not sure if they are easy to come by here in Ohio.
>
> Yes they are, because most stuff that comes into Ohio comes in them.
>
> Park on the highway or the railway for a while and you will see them all
> coming in.

You will also see more semis carrying cargo. But do provide a link as to where
Ohioguy can actually purchase one in Ohio, you seem to be having trouble doing
that, old fella

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 10 2011 7:27 pm
From: Jeff Thies

On 4/10/2011 5:33 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> In article<90eellFuchU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed"<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ohioguy wrote
>>
>>>> Pallets: Beware of possible termites. I don't know how you'd
>>>> recognize them or get rid of them, but you probably don't want to
>>>> bring them home.
>>
>>> You're not kidding - the pallets around here are about 6' max, and
>>> made of really thin wood. Considering that I saw loads of termites in
>>> the soil about 10 feet away from where the shed is going, pallets
>>> would probably be a very, very short term shed solution.
>>
>>> I should probably also add that whatever I end up doing needs to
>>> pass inspection. There is a city inspector that drives past slowly
>>> about once a month, peering into back yards here, and looking for an
>>> excuse to have a nice "meeting" with anybody. That's what folks
>>> around here get in exchange for voting to go from a township to a
>>> city. That, and a 1.5% income tax that didn't exist before.
>>
>>> I will definitely look into a shipping container as well - that
>>> would seem to be rather sturdy and termite resistant. However, I'm
>>> not sure if they are easy to come by here in Ohio.
>>
>> Yes they are, because most stuff that comes into Ohio comes in them.
>>
>> Park on the highway or the railway for a while and you will see them all
>> coming in.
>
> You will also see more semis carrying cargo. But do provide a link as to where
> Ohioguy can actually purchase one in Ohio, you seem to be having trouble doing
> that, old fella

There is already a link for OC Container in this thread, which I believe
OG is close to Columbus.

For all Rods faults, there is no reason why some guy from OZ has to do
some guy from Ohio's homework. Is that not a bit too petty?

Jeff

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 10 2011 10:04 pm
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"

In article <intouh$gbn$1@news.albasani.net>, Jeff Thies <jeff_thies@att.net>
wrote:

> There is already a link for OC Container in this thread, which I believe
> OG is close to Columbus.

Yes I saw it

>
> For all Rods faults, there is no reason why some guy from OZ has to do
> some guy from Ohio's homework. Is that not a bit too petty?

Certainly Ohioguy seems to not be able to google anything himself, but in fact
speed offered nothing but opinion and conjecture, as usual and I was just
rubbing it in.

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TOPIC: Socialist Utopia full of Christians? Yeah, that's Heaven!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/514764805939adf4?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 10 2011 6:29 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

On Apr 10, 5:42 am, "SFD" <s...@127000.00> wrote:
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"<nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:6171f637-10b9-40dc-8fe2-2a2b01e39bd3@w36g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Apr 9, 4:44 pm, Colanth <Cola...@pern.invalid> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:01:42 -0700 (PDT), "His Highness the
> >> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> >> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >One party system, immortal leader, loyalty to the party, "permanent
> >> >justice," "praise the Lord," "Satan is the enemy" and other slogans
> >> >all sound socialist.
>
> >> Not socialist, dictatorial. The leader sets ALL the rules and does
> >> whatever he wants with no oversight. Even Idi Amin didn't have that
> >> much power.
>
> > Yes, yes, but Heaven sounds too Maoist as well. They sure will throw
> > POPULATION CONTROL in there. Though having the whole Universe to
> > expand maybe it won't be that much of a problem.
>
> What a boring place this "heaven" will/would/could/might be. Full of those
> "morons" - YUK!

I know, I know. That's why I don't care to go there even if it was
true. Heaven --I assume-- is full of FAMILY VALUES as well...

(some highlights of it... notes of mine in [...])

While family values remains a rather vague concept, social
conservatives usually understand the term to include some combination
of the following principles (also referenced in the 2004 Republican
Party platform):

[they carry elections with this "vague concept," winning over
practical issues such as transportation]

1- Promotion of "traditional marriage" and opposition to sex outside
of conventional marriage, including pre-marital sex, adultery,
polygamy, bestiality, and incest. [the last one very common in the
Bible]

2- Support for a roll back of aspects of feminism and support for a
traditional role for women in the family. [Taliban style, huh?]

3- Opposition to same-sex marriage. [no comment... I'm opposed to the
institution of marriage]

4- Support for traditional education and parental involvement in that
education, including such things as vouchers for private, non-secular
education. [teaching "intelligent design," right?]

5- Opposition to legalization of abortion and support for policies
that instead encourage abstinence and adoption. [they haven't heard of
overpopulation, right?]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_values

So it's this kind of bullshit that dominates the political discourse
in this world, and we can expect to go on in the heavens. This
ignorance of the physical world as well as the biological aspect of
the human being, proposing impractical solutions such as abstinence
makes them dumb. Proving that they are evil takes another example:

When Bush denied UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE TO CHILDREN, they stood back and
did nothing.

"The bipartisan children's health insurance bill that passed the House
and Senate by strong majorities provides health insurance for 10
million children. The House will vote tomorrow to try to override
President Bush's veto, which denies critical health care coverage to
children of hard-working families struggling with the high cost of
insurance."

http://www.democraticleader.gov/blog/?p=855

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 10 2011 8:20 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

On Apr 10, 8:26 pm, Colanth <Cola...@pern.invalid> wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Apr 2011 15:40:54 -0700 (PDT), "His Highness the
> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
>
>
> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Apr 9, 4:44 pm, Colanth <Cola...@pern.invalid> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:01:42 -0700 (PDT), "His Highness the
> >> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> >> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >One party system, immortal leader, loyalty to the party, "permanent
> >> >justice," "praise the Lord," "Satan is the enemy" and other slogans
> >> >all sound socialist.
>
> >> Not socialist, dictatorial. The leader sets ALL the rules and does
> >> whatever he wants with no oversight. Even Idi Amin didn't have that
> >> much power.
>
> >Yes, yes, but Heaven sounds too Maoist as well. They sure will throw
> >POPULATION CONTROL in there. Though having the whole Universe to
> >expand maybe it won't be that much of a problem.
>
> Mao WANTED thought control, but all he could control was actions
> resulting from those thoughts. He had nothing like God's power to
> actually keep you from thinking the "wrong" thoughts. Not even Mao
> would have dared to dream of that power.

Not only that, God has some powers that only a Peeping Tom can dream
about. He can watch if your sexual positions are unnecessarily
recreational. I think that's where most Christians fail to go to
Heaven.

Imagine, missionary position all the time!

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TOPIC: Is Christianity a Constructive or Destructive Force?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e0ed6c41216f674d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 10 2011 6:59 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

On Apr 10, 12:56 am, Vince <vpilu...@optonline.net> wrote:
> On 4/9/2011 8:42 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
>
>
> Philosopher wrote:
> > On Apr 9, 7:11 pm, John S<john...@no.spam> wrote:
> >> On 4/9/2011 7:03 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> >> Philosopher wrote:
> >>> On Apr 9, 3:13 pm, John S<john...@no.spam> wrote:
> >>>> On 4/9/2011 1:40 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> >>>> Philosopher wrote:
> >>>>> Somewhere between EVIL, INDIFFERENCE& DUMBNESS they are found
> >>>>> populating political alliances and mall parking lots. They shape what
> >>>>> the issues are for the next elections --moral issues-- and have a
> >>>>> watchful eye toward, perish the thought, anyone who challenges the
> >>>>> POLITICS OF WASTE. They are not necessarily members of the Republican
> >>>>> Party, but most members of the latter have a close relationship with
> >>>>> "God," who dictates "family values," and other bullshit.
>
> >>>> "And I will do everything that I can as long as I am President of the
> >>>> United States to remind the American people that we are one nation under
> >>>> God" -- Barack Obama
>
> >>>> "But what we can do, as flawed as we are, is still see God in other
> >>>> people, and do our best to help them find their own grace. That's what I
> >>>> strive to do, that's what I pray to do every day." - Barack Obama
>
> >>>> "We do what we do because God is with us." - Barack Obama
>
> >>>> "But what we can do, as flawed as we are, is still see God in other
> >>>> people, and do our best to help them find their own grace. That's what I
> >>>> strive to do, that's what I pray to do every day." - Barack Obama
>
> >>>> Obama Prayers:http://www.usatoday.com/communities/Religion/post/2011/02/obama-chris...
>
> >>>> "The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a
> >>>> three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no,
> >>>> no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people.
> >>>> God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn
> >>>> America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme." -
> >>>> "Reverend" Jeremiah Wright
>
> >>> True, true, everybody is playing the same game to get the vote of the
> >>> sheep, but he's chastised by the Christian Right for doing some mild
> >>> reforms to correct the worst cruelties of the system.
>
> >> Are you trying to say that Obama was not speaking truthfully or from the
> >> heart in every one of these comments? He can outright lie just so
> >> people hear what he wants them to hear? Surely, this cannot be true for
> >> the anointed One!
>
> >> Your attempts to demagogue Obama are unbecoming. Surely he is an honest
> >> man and Obama meant every word of "We do what we do because God is with
> >> us."
>
> > Not particularly. Every one of our representatives --except one I
> > hear-- claims to believe in God, and this is highly educated people
> > for the most part who know the way things work in real life.
>
> > That's one of the drawbacks of democracy, but by no means the only one.
>
> One of the biggest drawbacks in democracy is how the president better be
> a church goer. Its just plain stupid

True, his faith should be a private matter when he chooses to say: NO
COMMENT.

But I was also referring to a broader aspect of "drawbacks of
democracy," ie. people don't want to hear the truth, and rather go
"light" on substance. Case in point:

PRESIDENT: "Do you all want the war in Iraq?"

CROWD: "Yes, yes, we want war!"

PRESIDENT: "But it'll take sending your sons and paying for it."

CROWD: They quietly leave the President alone.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 10 2011 11:33 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

On Apr 10, 11:01 am, John S <john...@no.spam> wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
> On 4/10/2011 9:58 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
>
>
> Philosopher wrote:
> > On Apr 10, 12:56 am, Vince<vpilu...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >> On 4/9/2011 8:42 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> >> Philosopher wrote:
> >>> On Apr 9, 7:11 pm, John S<john...@no.spam> wrote:
> >>>> On 4/9/2011 7:03 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> >>>> Philosopher wrote:
> >>>>> On Apr 9, 3:13 pm, John S<john...@no.spam> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 4/9/2011 1:40 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> >>>>>> Philosopher wrote:
> >>>>>>> Somewhere between EVIL, INDIFFERENCE& DUMBNESS they are found
> >>>>>>> populating political alliances and mall parking lots. They shape what
> >>>>>>> the issues are for the next elections --moral issues-- and have a
> >>>>>>> watchful eye toward, perish the thought, anyone who challenges the
> >>>>>>> POLITICS OF WASTE. They are not necessarily members of the Republican
> >>>>>>> Party, but most members of the latter have a close relationship with
> >>>>>>> "God," who dictates "family values," and other bullshit.
>
> >>>>>> "And I will do everything that I can as long as I am President of the
> >>>>>> United States to remind the American people that we are one nation under
> >>>>>> God" -- Barack Obama
>
> >>>>>> "But what we can do, as flawed as we are, is still see God in other
> >>>>>> people, and do our best to help them find their own grace. That's what I
> >>>>>> strive to do, that's what I pray to do every day." - Barack Obama
>
> >>>>>> "We do what we do because God is with us." - Barack Obama
>
> >>>>>> "But what we can do, as flawed as we are, is still see God in other
> >>>>>> people, and do our best to help them find their own grace. That's what I
> >>>>>> strive to do, that's what I pray to do every day." - Barack Obama
>
> >>>>>> Obama Prayers:http://www.usatoday.com/communities/Religion/post/2011/02/obama-chris...
>
> >>>>>> "The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a
> >>>>>> three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no,
> >>>>>> no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people.
> >>>>>> God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn
> >>>>>> America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme." -
> >>>>>> "Reverend" Jeremiah Wright
>
> >>>>> True, true, everybody is playing the same game to get the vote of the
> >>>>> sheep, but he's chastised by the Christian Right for doing some mild
> >>>>> reforms to correct the worst cruelties of the system.
>
> >>>> Are you trying to say that Obama was not speaking truthfully or from the
> >>>> heart in every one of these comments? He can outright lie just so
> >>>> people hear what he wants them to hear? Surely, this cannot be true for
> >>>> the anointed One!
>
> >>>> Your attempts to demagogue Obama are unbecoming. Surely he is an honest
> >>>> man and Obama meant every word of "We do what we do because God is with
> >>>> us."
>
> >>> Not particularly. Every one of our representatives --except one I
> >>> hear-- claims to believe in God, and this is highly educated people
> >>> for the most part who know the way things work in real life.
>
> >>> That's one of the drawbacks of democracy, but by no means the only one.
>
> >> One of the biggest drawbacks in democracy is how the president better be
> >> a church goer. Its just plain stupid
>
> > True, his faith should be a private matter when he chooses to say: NO
> > COMMENT.
>
> > But I was also referring to a broader aspect of "drawbacks of
> > democracy," ie. people don't want to hear the truth, and rather go
> > "light" on substance. Case in point:
>
> > PRESIDENT: "Do you all want the war in Iraq?"
>
> > CROWD: "Yes, yes, we want war!"
>
> > PRESIDENT: "But it'll take sending your sons and paying for it."
>
> > CROWD: They quietly leave the President alone.
>
> If you are not spouting more bull, when and where was the speech you
> reference?

That speech never came, and the was the problem. THE COSTS OF THE WAR
WERE HIDDEN FROM THE VOTERS.

What did they do instead? Right, borrow. But the voters still don't
want to hear about it and now want to crucify Obama over waste!

The Christians are funny people, I'm telling you..

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TOPIC: Cell Phone boosters or antennas
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/0d75939a05a12547?hl=en
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 10 2011 8:26 am
From: Jeff Thies

The rental house is on the downside of a hill and the cellphone
coverage is poor. Up the driveway it is fine.

Any experience with any of the cell phone boosters?

I see some are tethered to the phone, in which case an antenna would
be just as well. Some rebroadcast both ways. I'd like to spend less than
$200, but you know how that goes!

I'm halfway thinking of a Pringles can (or some such waveguide
antenna) facing the tower, but elevated, connected to a half (or quarter
if there is a ground plane) wave dipole. Seems like the can would have a
ton of gain. Crazy?

Jeff

== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 10 2011 12:32 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Jeff Thies wrote:

> The rental house is on the downside of a hill and the cellphone coverage is poor. Up the driveway it is fine.

> Any experience with any of the cell phone boosters?

They arent legal in my country.

> I see some are tethered to the phone, in which case an antenna would be just as well.

Yes, those are used a lot in RVs.

You do need a cellphone that can have an antenna attached, most modern ones cant anymore.

> Some rebroadcast both ways. I'd like to spend less than $200, but you know how that goes!

> I'm halfway thinking of a Pringles can (or some such waveguide
> antenna) facing the tower, but elevated, connected to a half (or
> quarter if there is a ground plane) wave dipole. Seems like the can
> would have a ton of gain. Crazy?

Nope, it can work, but its not as easy to do as you might think.

== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 10 2011 1:19 pm
From: Tony Miklos

On 4/10/2011 11:26 AM, Jeff Thies wrote:
> The rental house is on the downside of a hill and the cellphone coverage
> is poor. Up the driveway it is fine.
>
> Any experience with any of the cell phone boosters?
>
> I see some are tethered to the phone, in which case an antenna would be
> just as well. Some rebroadcast both ways. I'd like to spend less than
> $200, but you know how that goes!
>
> I'm halfway thinking of a Pringles can (or some such waveguide antenna)
> facing the tower, but elevated, connected to a half (or quarter if there
> is a ground plane) wave dipole. Seems like the can would have a ton of
> gain. Crazy?
>
> Jeff

Get yourself an old "bag phone". They have about 20 times more signal
strength. Keep the antenna away from your body.

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 10 2011 1:54 pm
From: aemeijers

On 4/10/2011 4:19 PM, Tony Miklos wrote:
> On 4/10/2011 11:26 AM, Jeff Thies wrote:
>> The rental house is on the downside of a hill and the cellphone coverage
>> is poor. Up the driveway it is fine.
>>
>> Any experience with any of the cell phone boosters?
>>
>> I see some are tethered to the phone, in which case an antenna would be
>> just as well. Some rebroadcast both ways. I'd like to spend less than
>> $200, but you know how that goes!
>>
>> I'm halfway thinking of a Pringles can (or some such waveguide antenna)
>> facing the tower, but elevated, connected to a half (or quarter if there
>> is a ground plane) wave dipole. Seems like the can would have a ton of
>> gain. Crazy?
>>
>> Jeff
>
> Get yourself an old "bag phone". They have about 20 times more signal
> strength. Keep the antenna away from your body.

And talk to what with it? All the old bag phones I have seen are analog,
which is basically gone at this point.

OP needs a cell repeater or femtocell device. He'll cry at the price,
though, even online. Google 'residential cell phone booster', figure out
correct model. and then try to find a cheaper one on ebay.

Or just get rid of the cell phone and get a real phone. After a month
you won't even miss it.

--
aem sends....

== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 10 2011 4:52 pm
From: dougatmilmacdotcom@example.com (Doug Miller)

In article <insi7m$nn7$1@news.albasani.net>, Jeff Thies <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote:
> The rental house is on the downside of a hill and the cellphone
>coverage is poor. Up the driveway it is fine.
>
> Any experience with any of the cell phone boosters?
>
> I see some are tethered to the phone, in which case an antenna would
>be just as well. Some rebroadcast both ways. I'd like to spend less than
>$200, but you know how that goes!

Talk to your cellular service provider. When I complained to Sprint about poor
signal strength in my home, they shipped me -- free of charge -- a microcell
that sends the signal via internet. Signal in my living room went from one bar
to five bars. It's been installed about two years now, and we haven't had any
trouble with it at all.

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 10 2011 6:20 pm
From: Michael B

On Apr 10, 7:52 pm, dougatmilmacdot...@example.com (Doug Miller)
wrote:
> In article <insi7m$nn...@news.albasani.net>, Jeff Thies <jeff_th...@att.net> wrote:
> > The rental house is on the downside of a hill and the cellphone
> >coverage is poor. Up the driveway it is fine.
>
> > Any experience with any of the cell phone boosters?
>
> > I see some are tethered to the phone, in which case an antenna would
> >be just as well. Some rebroadcast both ways. I'd like to spend less than
> >$200, but you know how that goes!
>
> Talk to your cellular service provider. When I complained to Sprint about poor
> signal strength in my home, they shipped me -- free of charge -- a microcell
> that sends the signal via internet. Signal in my living room went from one bar
> to five bars. It's been installed about two years now, and we haven't had any
> trouble with it at all.

Or change providers. They share towers,
but there are other towers, other locations.

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 10 2011 6:29 pm
From: malch@malch.com (Malcolm Hoar)

In article <intfsj$nr7$1@dont-email.me>, dougatmilmacdotcom@example.com (Doug Miller) wrote:

>Talk to your cellular service provider. When I complained to Sprint about poor
>signal strength in my home, they shipped me -- free of charge -- a microcell
>that sends the signal via internet. Signal in my living room went from one bar
>to five bars. It's been installed about two years now, and we haven't had any
>trouble with it at all.

You were lucky. Still, I'm glad I forked out the $150 for
an AT&T Microcell that fixed my problem with almost 0 bars
at home. I didn't have much of a choice since Verizon and
Sprint coverage are no better at this location.

I bought the thing the day it was released for public
sale and the initial performance was a bit ragged.
However, it improved dramatically over the next few
months. I assume that was due to firmware updates.

Repeaters and the like are a lot more expensive ($200-500+
with antennas and all) and the results are very hit and
miss according to the reports I studied.

--
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| Malcolm Hoar "The more I practice, the luckier I get". |
| malch@malch.com Gary Player. |
| http://www.malch.com/ |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 10 2011 6:51 pm
From: aemeijers

On 4/10/2011 9:29 PM, Malcolm Hoar wrote:
> In article<intfsj$nr7$1@dont-email.me>, dougatmilmacdotcom@example.com (Doug Miller) wrote:
>
>> Talk to your cellular service provider. When I complained to Sprint about poor
>> signal strength in my home, they shipped me -- free of charge -- a microcell
>> that sends the signal via internet. Signal in my living room went from one bar
>> to five bars. It's been installed about two years now, and we haven't had any
>> trouble with it at all.
>
> You were lucky. Still, I'm glad I forked out the $150 for
> an AT&T Microcell that fixed my problem with almost 0 bars
> at home. I didn't have much of a choice since Verizon and
> Sprint coverage are no better at this location.
>
> I bought the thing the day it was released for public
> sale and the initial performance was a bit ragged.
> However, it improved dramatically over the next few
> months. I assume that was due to firmware updates.
>
> Repeaters and the like are a lot more expensive ($200-500+
> with antennas and all) and the results are very hit and
> miss according to the reports I studied.
>

yeah, but if it is hung off your internet connection, and that goes
down, and you don't have a landline, how ya gonna call it in?

--
aem sends...

== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 10 2011 7:27 pm
From: philkryder

On Apr 10, 8:26 am, Jeff Thies <jeff_th...@att.net> wrote:
> The rental house is on the downside of a hill and the cellphone
> coverage is poor. Up the driveway it is fine.
>
> Any experience with any of the cell phone boosters?
>
> I see some are tethered to the phone, in which case an antenna would
> be just as well. Some rebroadcast both ways. I'd like to spend less than
> $200, but you know how that goes!
>
> I'm halfway thinking of a Pringles can (or some such waveguide
> antenna) facing the tower, but elevated, connected to a half (or quarter
> if there is a ground plane) wave dipole. Seems like the can would have a
> ton of gain. Crazy?
>
> Jeff

I have no knowledge of chip can antennas.

I have use antennaes and two of the WILSON boosters and one of the wy-
ex zboost sytems.

All of them worked. for both ATT and VERIZON 800/1900.
Remember that 4 g is coming - if that matters to you.

The antennae i used required a phone that accept an antenae.
As noted there are few of them any more.
However,
I've seen ads for inductive coupled antenaes.
I have NOT tried those.

check with Wilson for solutions. they are very helpful.

also check with Howard Forums on the net.

Remember you can only boost signal if you HAVE signal.
zero times any boost is still zero.
You may be able to run the cable up the hill to where there is signal
for the external antenae. The LMR 400 cable is expensive, but much
better than "regular" coax.

one final note,
be sure that you
Follow the instructions to make sure that the booster cannot "see" the
external antenae.
We ended up using a refridgerator to separate them. it made a huge
difference.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 10 2011 9:31 am
From: Rebel1

atdabank wrote:
> Am considering online banking with BofA.
>
> Anyone share their problems/experiences with them?
>
> Are they any good? Reliable? Will be using overseas also, but supposedly
> there is a branch in the countries I am headed.

A better question is, Why deal with those SOBs at all? They see no
problem with forcing homeowners in foreclosure even when they haven't
complied with paperwork requirements. They, along with the rest of the
big bankers, with their outrageous charges, are despicable, greedy
bastards. Deal locally.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110404/bs_yblog_thelookout/the-foreclosure-mess-isnt-going-away?source=patrick.net
Also, here's a great place to get a real education on real estate.

patrick.net

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 10 2011 10:55 am
From: The Real Bev

On 04/10/11 09:31, Rebel1 wrote:

> atdabank wrote:
>> Am considering online banking with BofA.
>>
>> Anyone share their problems/experiences with them?
>>
>> Are they any good? Reliable? Will be using overseas also, but supposedly
>> there is a branch in the countries I am headed.

I've used them (they're the closest bank) since they bought Security
Pacific (same building) sometime in the 70s, maybe 80s. Checking only.
No problems. I once needed a significant amount of cash in a hurry,
and they cashed the Washington Mutual check for me -- WaMu didn't have
enough cash on hand. I closed my WaMu accounts at the next opportunity,
and the assholes didn't even bother to ask why the angry lady was
closing her accounts.

Only problem is their ATMs. it used to be easy: put a mess of checks
in an envelope, log in, tell the machine the total you were depositing,
insert the envelope, take your receipt and card and walk away. Now you
have to feed in each check by hand, checking OK after every operation.
Sometimes it can't read the amount on a check and asks you to feed it in
by hand. If you don't remember which one that was the whole transaction
is canceled and you have to start over. It takes at least 10x time to
make a deposit even with only a few checks. God forbid I had to deposit
10 or 20 like I used to. And going inside is just as bad -- they have
to check everything and add it up.

No idea if other banks' ATMs suck as badly, that's the only one I use.

To BofA's credit they're never actually lost any of my money.

> A better question is, Why deal with those SOBs at all? They see no
> problem with forcing homeowners in foreclosure even when they haven't
> complied with paperwork requirements. They, along with the rest of the
> big bankers, with their outrageous charges, are despicable, greedy
> bastards. Deal locally.

Why do you think that ANY bank will be less likely to screw you than any
other bank?

> http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110404/bs_yblog_thelookout/the-foreclosure-mess-isnt-going-away?source=patrick.net
> Also, here's a great place to get a real education on real estate.

--
Cheers, Bev
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 10 2011 9:49 am
From: Rebel1

Steve wrote:
>
> I need to get my Wisdom tooth extracted which would cost about 300$
> without insurance in Florida(where I reside). I have basic dental
> insurance, but that would cover only 30 out of the 300.
> I am a male in late twenties, non-tobacco user
>
> I am thinking of getting Prepaid Dental Plan C550 in Florida by Humana
> http://www.humanaonedental.com/florida-dental-insurance/dental-plan-C550.aspx
>
> which is about11$/month and a one time fee of 35$. They have no
> deductibles or waiting period, but require a lock in period of 1 year.
> But, the total expense still would be around 160$ for the year which is
> lot less than 270$(which I have to pay with my current insurance) and I
> get cleanings free(twice a year) with this plan.
>
> Some details about them are at
> http://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi/dt/plan-details?planKey=32113600:1
>
> 1. Is the Prepaid Dental Plan C550 in Florida by Humana a proper choice
> or are there better options?
>
> 2. Would there be any caveats with this that I need to be aware of?
>
> 3. Any other factors I need to be aware of?

There is a distinction between a "plan" and "insurance." With my plan, I
pay $85 per year (for a single, senior person) and get a discounted rate
from participating dentists, which I pay in full. There is no
third-party (insurance company) involved.

I use this company:
http://dentalsave.com/

(Use IE as your browser, otherwise you many not be able to see the rates
choices in the right column after clicking on "View fee schedule".)

Here are the Florida rates for non-specialists. Specialists give 20% off.
http://dentalsave.com/pdfs/SouthEast_GeneralDentistFeeSchedule.pdf

All my dentist have adhered to the published prices. I see this as
price-fixing, both for the discounted and non-discounted prices shown.
But my New Jersey consumer affairs returned my complaint and said it had
to be sent to New York, where headquarters are. I have not done so.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 10 2011 11:32 am
From: Rebel1

What kind of deranged pervert believes this nonsense? Christianity (and
the other organized "religions") are mental illnesses, all trying to
control you by holding out the HOPE that there is eternal life for those
who follow their rules (no matter how arbitrary and contradictory they are).

Check this out:
http://www.evilbible.com/

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 10 2011 12:30 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

I guess that's my marketing strategy. Why make people worry about the
Environment when they don't give a damn? If the alpha leaders drive
SUVs, the rest of the troop follows...

How about this other strategy: "Hey, liberate yourself from the cage --
the car is a cage-- and have fun riding a bike."

That's what I do. I get a lot of looks with my fancy bikes --not
necessarily expensive-- and they are all convertible!

http://www.givemoneygetstuff.com/news/custom-west-coast-choppers-nirve-bike/

-----------------------------------------------------------

http://webspawner.com/users/BIKEFORPEACE

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 10 2011 5:17 pm
From: enough

http://www.snopes.com/medical/homecure/flourburns.asp

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 10 2011 8:19 pm
From: Mel Knight

On Sat, 09 Apr 2011 19:59:10 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
> I've got some nice goatskin gardening gloves, but they're too good to
> use :-) I used to turn them inside out (like the rest of the dirtbags)
> and use them for motorcycle gloves.

My motorcycle gloves are kangaroo.

What does turning goatskin gloves inside out actually do for you?

I'm curious.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 9 2011 6:06 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

On Apr 6, 7:00 pm, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 14:59:52 -0700 (PDT), "His Highness the
> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Apr 6, 3:58 pm, "Jakub A. Krzewicki" <drukpakun...@gmail.org>
> >wrote:
> >> sroda, 6 kwietnia 2011 20:36. carbon entity 'His Highness the TibetanMonkey,
> >> the Beach Cruiser Philosopher' <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com>
> >> contaminated alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan with the following letter:
>
> >> > I like to parade here some arguments for Christianity being one or the
> >> > other. I myself believe it's an overwhelmingly destructive force, but
> >> > I'm only a monkey with common sense...
>
> You are only a monkey with a vary limited scope of knowlege and vision
> - like most Monkeys.

Isn't that an act of discrimination? Monkeys are the most intelligent
species out there, only that they are dumb when they act like MONKEY
SEE MONKEY DO and organize to worship some "supreme being" they
haven't seen.

>
> >> >http://marquetteeducator.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/thinking-monkey1...
>
> >> > Here are some loose arguments:
>
> >> > 1- IT OPPOSES SCIENCE in such issues as EVOLUTION & CLIMATE CHANGE,
> >> > which in turn determine where we came from and we are headed,
>
> Not necessarily true.

It seems the Catholics admit both, but they offer no solution about
it. Their churches' parking lots are still full of cars.

> >> > 2- They follow a certain command to CONQUER THE EARTH, giving little
> >> > thought to "lesser species,"
>
> >> > 3- They fail to understand the basic principle of CAUSE & EFFECT, ie.
> >> > "my choice of transportation is part of the problem/solution,"
>
> Absolutely not true of many Christians I know, and also very true of
> many non-christians.

Oh no, NONCHRISTIANS must admit that shit they put out stays in the
system and that this humble planet can't handle the heat from 7,000
million wasteful monkeys. Christians would probably disagree with the
last statement, though they seem to be #1.

> >> > 4- They seem to vote for the most "ALPHA MALE LEADERS," ready to
> >> > launch one more questionable war, and then ignore the price of it,
>
> Not necessarily true. MANY Christians are non-viollent and totally
> opposed to war and violence of any kind.

True, but they are mostly irrelevant in politics. The monkey troop is
run by alpha males and their followers.

> >> > 5- They are WAITING FOR JESUS, who's coming soon to get them out of
> >> > this Hell and leave the rest behind.
>
> >> > I'm getting on my Beach Cruiser now to think about these and other
> >> > issues that slow down progress. By the way, riding on sidewalks is not
> >> > the answer.
>
> >> > --------------------------------------------------------
>
> >> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> >> >http://webspawner.com/users/BIKEFORPEACE
>
> >> You wanted to say the _Puritans_ are destructive force --- the Oliver-
> >> Cromwell, Cotton-Mather, Fred-Phelps-like talibangelic riff-raff, I
> >> absolutely agree with You for that matter. But there is also Celtic Church,
> >> Church of the Eastand Liberal Catholic Church, haven't You forgotten about
> >> them???
>
> And he has also forgotten about all the historic peace churches and
> the anabaptists (that is NOT baptists) which have been a positive
> influence for peace, respect, and social issues around the world - in
> North, Central, and south America, Africa, Asia, and just about
> anywhere they are found.

I'm pretty sure they know we are teasing the dumb monkeys to do moral
actions. Nothing against them.

>
> Wherever relief efforts are required (think Haiti, Japan, Indonesia,
> New Orleans, etc) you will find MCC and/or MDS involved in a positive
> and effective way.
>
> Google "Mennonite Central Committee" and "Mennonite Disaster Service"

Good, I usually spare my words against followers of Jesus that really
follow Jesus. I even admire Gandhi, even though he was not a
Christian.

> >I mean the American sects for the most part. They are the most
> >influential and powerful, ie. Republican Party members.
>
> Republican party member does not equal Christian, and Christian does
> not equal Republican.

Yes, sometimes the public imagination outside of the troop runs as
fast as the bad reputation:

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians
are so unlike your Christ."

But I'm sure Gandhi was generalizing. ;)

== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 9 2011 10:13 am
From: The Real Bev

On 04/07/11 15:37, Derald wrote:

> Ohioguy<none@none.net> wrote:
>
>> Basically, here is what I want:
>>
>>1) simplicity
>>2) heavy duty
>>3) inexpensive (~$1,400 or less)
>>4) shed style roof (slightly slanted, single plane)
>
> If you insist on a traditional style shed, build it yourself. If you need
> plans in order to do that, then hire it done.
>
> +1 for shipping container. I have a 20-footer and space (AWA plans) for two
> more. $1,200 delivered in 2006. Constructed of Corten (a rust-restant steel,
> with two gasketed doors, epoxy "paint", 1.25" plywood floor on steel joists, at
> 4,960 pounds, it's pretty much everything -resistant, although, I did attach
> hurricane bands/anchors.

I would love to have a couple of those. Fat chance of the City Fathers
allowing them, though, even if we could solve the problem of horsing
them down the driveway and then making a sharp right angle left :-( I
suspect you could even make decent room additions out of them.

Pallets: Beware of possible termites. I don't know how you'd recognize
them or get rid of them, but you probably don't want to bring them home.

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== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 9 2011 11:55 am
From: Derald

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

>I would love to have a couple of those. Fat chance of the City Fathers
>allowing them, though....
Well, I'm in an unicorporated area and well concealed from passersby.
>
>Pallets: Beware of possible termites. I don't know how you'd recognize
>them or get rid of them, but you probably don't want to bring them home.
I bring home few pallets, nowadays, and those primarily as replacements for
what the termites eat, LOL! I'm in peninsular Florida: Termites are a given. In
late winter, they rise from the ground like smoke. Termites are ubiquitous. They
even eat my store-bought "mushroom" compost because it really is mostly wood.
They ate the paper bag from around alfalfa pellets, in a galvanized trashcan
that is on p/t wood blocks; really.
--
Derald

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 9 2011 11:24 am
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"

In article <inq44g$igk$1@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 04/07/11 15:37, Derald wrote:
>
> > Ohioguy<none@none.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Basically, here is what I want:
> >>
> >>1) simplicity 2) heavy duty 3) inexpensive (~$1,400 or less) 4) shed style
> >>roof (slightly slanted, single plane)
> >
> > If you insist on a traditional style shed, build it yourself. If you need
> > plans in order to do that, then hire it done.
> >
> > +1 for shipping container. I have a 20-footer and space (AWA plans) for
> > two more. $1,200 delivered in 2006. Constructed of Corten (a rust-restant
> > steel, with two gasketed doors, epoxy "paint", 1.25" plywood floor on steel
> > joists, at 4,960 pounds, it's pretty much everything -resistant, although,
> > I did attach hurricane bands/anchors.
>
> I would love to have a couple of those. Fat chance of the City Fathers
> allowing them, though, even if we could solve the problem of horsing them
> down the driveway and then making a sharp right angle left :-( I suspect you
> could even make decent room additions out of them.

That's what cranes are for.

>
> Pallets: Beware of possible termites. I don't know how you'd recognize them
> or get rid of them, but you probably don't want to bring them home.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 9 2011 7:57 pm
From: Ohioguy

> Pallets: Beware of possible termites. I don't know how you'd recognize
> them or get rid of them, but you probably don't want to bring them home.

You're not kidding - the pallets around here are about 6' max, and
made of really thin wood. Considering that I saw loads of termites in
the soil about 10 feet away from where the shed is going, pallets would
probably be a very, very short term shed solution.

I should probably also add that whatever I end up doing needs to pass
inspection. There is a city inspector that drives past slowly about
once a month, peering into back yards here, and looking for an excuse to
have a nice "meeting" with anybody. That's what folks around here get
in exchange for voting to go from a township to a city. That, and a
1.5% income tax that didn't exist before.

I will definitely look into a shipping container as well - that would
seem to be rather sturdy and termite resistant. However, I'm not sure
if they are easy to come by here in Ohio.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 9 2011 9:23 pm
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"

In article <4da11cbd$0$20575$882e7ee2@usenet-news.net>, Ohioguy <none@none.net>
wrote:

> > Pallets: Beware of possible termites. I don't know how you'd recognize
> > them or get rid of them, but you probably don't want to bring them home.
>
> You're not kidding - the pallets around here are about 6' max, and
> made of really thin wood. Considering that I saw loads of termites in
> the soil about 10 feet away from where the shed is going, pallets would
> probably be a very, very short term shed solution.
>
> I should probably also add that whatever I end up doing needs to pass
> inspection. There is a city inspector that drives past slowly about
> once a month, peering into back yards here, and looking for an excuse to
> have a nice "meeting" with anybody. That's what folks around here get
> in exchange for voting to go from a township to a city. That, and a
> 1.5% income tax that didn't exist before.
>
> I will definitely look into a shipping container as well - that would
> seem to be rather sturdy and termite resistant. However, I'm not sure
> if they are easy to come by here in Ohio.

Just contact Rod Speed, he's positive it won't be a problem so I'm assuming he
has a readily available list of suppliers

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 9 2011 9:56 pm
From: Jeff

Ohioguy <none@none.net> wrote in
news:4da11cbd$0$20575$882e7ee2@usenet-news.net:

www.occontainer.com (Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, et al)

== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 9 2011 11:06 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

One party system, immortal leader, loyalty to the party, "permanent
justice," "praise the Lord," "Satan is the enemy" and other slogans
all sound socialist. Well, at least they are not asking for Universal
Healthcare... They don't need it!

Angels riding bikes...

http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs12/f/2006/327/9/6/Bicycle_Angel_Watercolor_by_BlueBirdie.jpg

Wait, clothing optional? That sounds too liberal!!!

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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 9 2011 3:40 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

On Apr 9, 6:06 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Deviant, hell, that drawing's great on so many levels. Not
> to mention that there actually *is* a Ride Your Bike Nude
> Day.

I'd only have a problem accommodating the men's genitalia on those
seats. But I think it's great for women!

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 9 2011 3:41 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

On Apr 9, 4:44 pm, Colanth <Cola...@pern.invalid> wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:01:42 -0700 (PDT), "His Highness the
> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >One party system, immortal leader, loyalty to the party, "permanent
> >justice," "praise the Lord," "Satan is the enemy" and other slogans
> >all sound socialist.
>
> Not socialist, dictatorial. The leader sets ALL the rules and does
> whatever he wants with no oversight. Even Idi Amin didn't have that
> much power.

Yes, yes, but Heaven sounds too Maoist as well. They sure will throw
POPULATION CONTROL in there. Though having the whole Universe to
expand maybe it won't be that much of a problem.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 9 2011 7:59 pm
From: The Real Bev

On 04/08/11 17:09, Mel Knight wrote:

> On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 16:51:28 -0700, Jon Danniken wrote:
>
>>> What dry-cleaning solvent can I buy at the hardware store that will
>>> clean leather gloves of urushiol?
>>
>> Tetrachloroethylene, AKA brake cleaner (Brakleen - red can). Unless you
>> live in California, of course.
>
> I would have to live in the Republik of Kalifornia!
>
> There are no chlorocarbons on the shelves, I think.
>
> Is there something else I can use (perhaps from the auto parts store or
> the hardware store)?
>
> Here, for example, is a picture of all my experiments (all of which
> failed)!
>
> http://www.ephotobay.com/image/poison-oak-gloves-shrunk.jpg

I've never heard of actually washing work gloves. If I were you I'd use
the cheap leather-palm ones and just throw them away when they wear out
-- and NEVER touch the outside with your fingers. My work gloves get
big holes in the fingers (repairable with duct tape, of course) long
before I'd consider washing them, but I'm not dealing with poison
oak/ivy, either.

I've got some nice goatskin gardening gloves, but they're too good to
use :-) I used to turn them inside out (like the rest of the dirtbags)
and use them for motorcycle gloves.

--
Cheers, Bev
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