Frugal Living: Oct 2, 2007

Tuesday, October 2, 2007

25 new messages in 12 topics - digest

misc.consumers.frugal-living
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living?hl=en

misc.consumers.frugal-living@googlegroups.com

Today's topics:

* Home safe odors - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/1b82176d55c73873?hl=en
* Gone to the Dogs - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6032107109473599?hl=en
* AT&T Modem Rebate - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/012562f812078897?hl=en
* looking for career change advice - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c907241b6575fbc4?hl=en
* What's the going rate for magazine freelance writing? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b4a776b41e326142?hl=en
* Frugal air travel tips - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f74cce039262a897?hl=en
* Payday Advance Help Financial Emergency - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/98807272715767de?hl=en
* How Marketing Manipulates You - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2d9db3821c2b5972?hl=en
* This group is dying from spam. - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e13559a60a40f78d?hl=en
* Cheap perosnla checks to order? - 5 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8ca197d343a4a408?hl=en
* Need cheap SATA power & data cables - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3b9c3d140a915457?hl=en
* nike cheap sell wholesale shoes jordan shox air max force one gucci prada -
1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/70d3f3fc3f640ae5?hl=en

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TOPIC: Home safe odors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/1b82176d55c73873?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 1:54 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Sep 30, 1:59 pm, Marsha <m...@xeb.net> wrote:
> The contents of my small home safe feel slightly damp
> and they smell odd. Does anyone have any suggestions
> on solving this problem?
>
> Thanks,
> Marsha/Ohio

The suggestions you are getting are good ones.

You need some kind of dessicant to control moisture.

A small safe like the one you have is likely a fire safe...and it has
gypsum in its walls that has water chemically locked in it that will
protect the contents if a fire would occur. It is natural for the
interior of the safe to be at a somewhat higher humidity than the
outside.

TMT

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 4:12 pm
From: Beeblebrox

Wooly wrote:
> Marsha wrote:
>
>> josh@phred.org wrote:
>>
>>> In article <fdorrk$jv2$2@news.datemas.de>, mas@xeb.net says...
>>>
>>>> The contents of my small home safe feel slightly damp and they smell
>>>> odd. Does anyone have any suggestions on solving this problem?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Crystals" type cat litter is silica gel, the same stuff sold in
>>> overpriced little packets for drying things. Buy a 4lb jar of it,
>>> pour it into a dry cloth bag (or a clean pillowcase) and put it in
>>> the safe.
>>>
>>> Bake it in the oven overnight to dry it out occasionally.
>>>
>>
>> You're serious...this would work?
>>
>> Marsha/Ohio
>>
>
>
> Yes, it works, and it's cheaper than buying the little packets.

BUT - does it have the repeated reminder not to eat it?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 5:54 pm
From: Wooly

Beeblebrox wrote:
>
> BUT - does it have the repeated reminder not to eat it?

In fine print, on every granule.

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TOPIC: Gone to the Dogs
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6032107109473599?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 3:01 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

Melissa wrote:
> "Anthony Matonak" <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote in message
...
>> You probably aren't reading the newsgroup off a server in Nigeria
>> or China. Your local ISP could be much more aggressive in filtering
>> out messages from known spam countries.
>
> I can't even get our ISP (Time Warner) to filter obvious nasty spam coming
> through the email. Even when sent headers etc. they do nothing. I've blocked
> most of the emails, but just haven't taken the time to write all the filters
> for news.

Just because they don't take any responsibility for dealing with
criminals doesn't mean they can't do anything. You, as a lone voice
crying out in the darkness, might not get heard but if you band
together with similarly pissed off people then perhaps they would
do something.

I see no reason why China should be able to damage the Internet in
the United States without our government getting involved. Isn't
one of the reasons you have a government is to help protect you
against threats from other countries?

Anthony

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TOPIC: AT&T Modem Rebate
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/012562f812078897?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 2:22 pm
From: E Z Peaces

larry wrote:
> E Z Peaces wrote:
>
>> The AG forwarded my complaint to the phone company, giving them ten days
> > to reply. That was nearly a month ago. No reply.
>
> att (etal) don't reply to complaints, even those from the fcc.
>
> It's much cheaper for them to just pay the fines.
>
> The customer pays those as a cost of doing business ;-)
>
> -larry / dallas

Well, I dialed the number whaa_hoo provided. The URL whaa_hoo provided
says my rebate has been approved and will be mailed about October 12.

Today an AT&T representative phoned to respond to my August letter to
the Attorney General. She said I didn't qualify because it's limited
customers who already had Bellsouth dialup service.

I said the phrase in their Terms and Conditions, "subscribers of AT&T or
BellSouth Dial service," has meant telephone customers for a hundred
years. I said a service accessed by a telephone line, such as internet
access, is a dial-up.

She said I was wrong. Telephone service is not "dial service." She
said she'd never heard telephone service called anything but POTS. Then
she said as a special one-time courtesy my next bill would be credited
with the rebate.

Patents may be the best place to check terminology because patent
lawyers are supposed to get it right. From 1879 to 2007, 579 patents
have called telephone customers subscribers. From 1941 to 2004, 67
patents have called telephone customers "dial service subscribers."
(Perhaps before 1941 telephone service would also accommodate phones
without dials.)

I've found 162 patents calling internet service "dial-up service" and
none calling it "dial service." I've found patents referring to
telephone subscribers with internet access and customers who use the
internet to access subscribed content, but I haven't found any patents
about subscribers to internet access.

That makes sense as a subscriber signs up for published content, not
communications. Telephone customers would be exceptions because the
service includes a subscription to a phone book.

It seems to me the AT&T representative told me I was excluded from the
rebate because they interpret their Terms and Conditions according to
their slang, which may change from day to day, and not the established
meanings of "subscribers" and "dial service."

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TOPIC: looking for career change advice
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c907241b6575fbc4?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 2:27 pm
From: Rick

George wrote:
>
> Don K wrote:
> > "Joseph O'Brien" <obrien1984@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1191244545.649604.241670@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> >> As I see it, I have a few options.
> >
> >> 1) Tell them I'm taking some classes that will meet in the morning,
> >> twice a week for 6 weeks, and ask off for those times. Don't mention
> >> nursing school or quitting or anything. If they ask, just say I'm
> >> taking some "natural science" classes to further my education. In the
> >> spring, come clean and tell them I will be returning to school full
> >> time.
> >
> > Don't give too much notice.
> >
> > There was a guy at work who thought he was being a nice guy
> > by giving extra notice that he would be leaving in a couple of months.
> >
> > Management said no you're not, next Friday will be your last day.
> >
> > Don
> >
> >
> I have seen that in action with typical megacorp thinking (its only our
> way or our way). I worked with a guy who announced that he was going to
> work for another company that was not a competitor and that he would
> stay on for a couple weeks to insure an orderly transition of his
> projects. They called security and had him escorted out of the building.

Happened to me - I was asked to turn in my keys and leave immediately.
NEVER give an employer any indication you intend to leave a position, no
matter how good you think your intentions may be. You'd be surprised at
which bosses - who you think you know - will screw you in a split
second.

Rick

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 3:25 pm
From: me@privacy.net

>Happened to me - I was asked to turn in my keys and leave immediately.
>NEVER give an employer any indication you intend to leave a position, no
>matter how good you think your intentions may be. You'd be surprised at
>which bosses - who you think you know - will screw you in a split
>second.

I agree VERY strongly as well

It happened to me also

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TOPIC: What's the going rate for magazine freelance writing?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b4a776b41e326142?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 2:45 pm
From: Al Bundy

OhioGuy wrote:
> Just curious - does anyone know the going rate these days for doing
> freelance writing for magazines?
>
> However, I have no idea what a fair rate is these days. I don't want to
> hold out for too much, and lose work, but I also don't want to be getting
> less than the other folks. I'd like to put most of what I make into my ROTH
> IRA, which is sorely underfunded at this point.
>
Good point. Don't hold out for too much.
Try selling the thread you started about thinking you would find a
free refill for the garage sale fire extinguisher and how the fire
department laughed at you. I think your writing could have potential
as long as you "keep it real" and talk about your own life honestly.

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TOPIC: Frugal air travel tips
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f74cce039262a897?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 3:19 pm
From: "Don K"

"PaPaPeng" <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3n45g3ptmcb0ngj97g48ktj87mih5h8df9@4ax.com...
>
> I always pick an aisle seat so that I can stretch my legs and one
> elbow space doesn't have to be restricted by the next passenger. The
> seat row by the emergency exit is even better as it has more leg room.
> I also prefer the aisle seat on the right row of seats as I am more
> comfortable leaning my head to the left when I sleep. I bring my own
> pillow and its really wonderful to be able to sleep comfortably on
> long flights or even on airport seats in between a long wait for the
> connecting flight. Having a good thick book I always wanted to read
> helps. I make a quick spin around the waiting area for newspapers
> left behind and they're good for an hour or two reading the local
> news and doing the crosswords.

On long flights I like to take along an MP3 player. Mine has an
FM tuner built-in and sometimes I'll listen to the various stations
you can tune in at 20-30K feet. Also noise-canceling headphones
are nice to get rid of the constant engine drone, whether or not you're
actually listening to anything.

One other thing, when I'm not reading, I find I'm a lot more comfortable
if I wear sunglasses to eliminate all the UV glare at high altitude. Apparently
cataracts are an occupational hazard for pilots.

Don

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 3:44 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Don K <dk@dont_bother_me.com> wrote:
> "PaPaPeng" <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3n45g3ptmcb0ngj97g48ktj87mih5h8df9@4ax.com...
>>
>> I always pick an aisle seat so that I can stretch my legs and one
>> elbow space doesn't have to be restricted by the next passenger. The
>> seat row by the emergency exit is even better as it has more leg
>> room. I also prefer the aisle seat on the right row of seats as I
>> am more comfortable leaning my head to the left when I sleep. I
>> bring my own pillow and its really wonderful to be able to sleep
>> comfortably on long flights or even on airport seats in between a
>> long wait for the connecting flight. Having a good thick book I
>> always wanted to read helps. I make a quick spin around the waiting
>> area for newspapers left behind and they're good for an hour or two reading the local news and doing the crosswords.
>
> On long flights I like to take along an MP3 player. Mine has an
> FM tuner built-in and sometimes I'll listen to the various stations
> you can tune in at 20-30K feet. Also noise-canceling headphones
> are nice to get rid of the constant engine drone, whether or not
> you're actually listening to anything.

> One other thing, when I'm not reading, I find I'm a lot more comfortable if I wear sunglasses to eliminate all the UV
> glare at high altitude.

That cant get past the windows.

> Apparently cataracts are an occupational hazard for pilots.

Not due to UV getting past the windows it aint.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 4:04 pm
From: George Grapman

Regarding the comments on Newark Airport. The NY Transit/Amtrak
connection is also helpful if your final destination is in Jersey.On my
last trip the cab fare would have been $61 plus round trip toll (about
$5)plus tip. NJ Transit was under $10.
Also Newark airport is much closer to midtown Manhattan than JFK, The
one drawback is if to take a cab between NJ and NY you have to pay
double the meter to cover the fact cabs from one state can not pick up
fares in another state Or, in most cases, from another city in the same
state..
If you do take a cab Newark has a smart system. You tell the
dispatcher your destination and they print out a two part for,. The flat
rate fare is in big numbers as are the words "plus round trip tolls".
You get one copy, the driver the other hence no disputes.

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TOPIC: Payday Advance Help Financial Emergency
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/98807272715767de?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 3:27 pm
From: DevBasic Marketing Support

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 3:36 pm
From: George Grapman

DevBasic Marketing Support wrote:
> The Paycheck Today online application is fast and confidential.
> Simply provide us with the required information about yourself,
> your income, and your bank checking account.
>
> Applications are pre-approved in just 30 seconds! Get started.
>
> http://www.illinois.devbasic.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=39&Itemid=49
>
Right, I always give checking info to posters from gmail.

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TOPIC: How Marketing Manipulates You
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2d9db3821c2b5972?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 3:32 pm
From: Columbia_University_for_sale

On Sep 30, 8:10 am, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>
> I think its truthful information. I have been casually looking for a 1~2
> year old replacement car and found the described scenario where there
> was little difference between new and 1~2 year old. I can think of at
> least 3 friends who typically buy 1~2 year old cars who have recently
> bought new because they found the same thing.

So, trying to haggle on a used car price is virtually useless then?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 5:31 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Oct 2, 5:32 pm, Columbia_University_for_sale <kwo...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> On Sep 30, 8:10 am, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I think its truthful information. I have been casually looking for a 1~2
> > year old replacement car and found the described scenario where there
> > was little difference between new and 1~2 year old. I can think of at
> > least 3 friends who typically buy 1~2 year old cars who have recently
> > bought new because they found the same thing.
>
> So, trying to haggle on a used car price is virtually useless then?

No..always, always haggle.

It always depends on the car model, the seller and the particular
incident.

Some times companies have so many cars, offer a good pricing for a
short period of time, have a slow mover, transferrable warranties,
etc. that the new price equals or is lower than that of an used price.

Sorry...there is no easy way short of doing your homework each and
every time.

One rule of thumb that does work is that the more people who have had
to profit from the car means a higher price...in other words buying
from a dealer rather from the ORIGINAL owner will cost more...each
needs a bit of the action.

I say ORIGINAL owner because many people buy and sell used cars that
are not their own...they are just "dealers" working around the tax
man.

TMT

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TOPIC: This group is dying from spam.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e13559a60a40f78d?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 3:43 pm
From: Duke of Hazard

On Oct 1, 8:39 pm, "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It just keeps getting worse. I wonder why this group gets so much more than
> others?
>
> Bob

I agree, I follow many groups and something weird has taken over this
one. I notice it is often linked from groups.google.com , so maybe
that's where it's starting from. There is too much to report. We need
a moderated group. Anyone know how to create one?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 6:57 pm
From: astrozam@yahoo.ca

On Oct 2, 6:43 pm, Duke of Hazard <squ...@peoriadesignweb.com> wrote:
> On Oct 1, 8:39 pm, "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > It just keeps getting worse. I wonder why this group gets so much more than
> > others?
>
> > Bob
>
> I agree, I follow many groups and something weird has taken over this
> one. I notice it is often linked from groups.google.com , so maybe
> that's where it's starting from. There is too much to report. We need
> a moderated group. Anyone know how to create one?

its unfortunate about the spam,check this
http://groups.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=46453&ctx=sibling

seems limited as to what they will do but its worth a shot.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 7:03 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <3463-47027289-941@storefull-3212.bay.webtv.net>,
Bob Young <difdrummer@webtv.net> wrote:
>It depends on how you cook the spam. I prefer some barbeque sauce and
>onions and fry it.

A good helping of habanero-based sauce will help cover the taste.

> Not sure if I heard of spam killing anyone though.

Haven't tried Turkey SPAM, have you? Better than Ex-Lax. And I'm not
referring to the flavor...

Gary

--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net

http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

Yoko Onos' former driver tried to extort $2M from her, threating to
"release embarassing recordings...". What, he has a copy of her album?

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TOPIC: Cheap perosnla checks to order?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8ca197d343a4a408?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 4:27 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <8lq4g3lkmhfkf23ljjp1ulaukh0llfrfb4@4ax.com>, me@privacy.net
wrote:

> Anyone have advice on where to order some printed
> checks for my personal checking acct?
>
> My local bank is outrageous on check printing charges.

Do online banking and stop using paper checks. Save a few trees and
postage cost.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 4:41 pm
From: "Gini"

<me@privacy.net> wrote
> Anyone have advice on where to order some printed
> checks for my personal checking acct?
>
> My local bank is outrageous on check printing charges.
==
I cycle through the companies that have cheap new customer rates.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 5:05 pm
From: larry

Gini wrote:
> <me@privacy.net> wrote
>
>>Anyone have advice on where to order some printed
>>checks for my personal checking acct?
>>
>>My local bank is outrageous on check printing charges.
>
> ==
> I cycle through the companies that have cheap new customer rates.
>
>

Or find a bank with free checking, that gives you the checks
for free. (Washington Mutual is my fav)

-larry /dallas

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 5:29 pm
From: RivahCat

On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 10:59:21 -0500, a day that will live in infamy,
stood on a soapbox and proclaimed:
:Anyone have advice on where to order some printed
:checks for my personal checking acct?
:
:My local bank is outrageous on check printing charges.
:
ORDER?!? Try printing your own!!

There are several very good check-printing programs out there, most
notably VersaCheck, which offers both personal and business check
printing. I've used it (and another, lower-priced one) for years, and
never had a check refused or not go thru.

Legally, tho, you can write a check on a table napkin with a crayon and,
if your bank will accept it, it is legal tender.

Of course, I live by my debit card and online banking with bill paying.
The only check I write much any more is for my rent, which I HAND-
DELIVER to be sure they get it on time and can't claim otherwise.
--
RivahCat >^..^<
"IN BAST WE TRUST"

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 6:59 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <8lq4g3lkmhfkf23ljjp1ulaukh0llfrfb4@4ax.com>,
<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>Anyone have advice on where to order some printed
>checks for my personal checking acct?

>My local bank is outrageous on check printing charges.

I use www.checksunlimited.com and have been quite satisfied.

Gary

--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net

http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

Yoko Onos' former driver tried to extort $2M from her, threating to
"release embarassing recordings...". What, he has a copy of her album?

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TOPIC: Need cheap SATA power & data cables
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3b9c3d140a915457?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 5:43 pm
From: Logan Shaw

OhioGuy wrote:
> I need about 10 SATA data cables and 10 SATA power adapter cables. (the
> ones that let you use existing molex power connectors from the PS)
>
> Several of my friends and myself would like to take advantage of some of
> the OEM SATA drive deals we've seen being offered, but we currently don't
> have the data cables or power cables we would need. Obviously, we don't
> want to pay the extra $15 or so that is asked for the retail box version
> that has this, plus software on a disk we also don't want.
>
> I recently upgraded the mboard on one of my Dad's PC's, and the
> motherboard came with a twin pack of these cables - one data, and one power
> adapter cable.
>
> I can't imagine that these should really cost much more than a dollar
> each, but I'm hoping to buy 10 of each for a grand total of $35. That's 20
> pieces, which comes to $1.75 each, including shipping.

You can get all that (10 SATA data cables and 10 molex-to-dual-SATA power
splitter cables) at newegg.com for $48.85 including 3-day shipping. Item
numbers N82E16812104059 and N82E16812119010.

outletpc.com, which I'd never heard of before I saw their ad just now,
seems to be able to do it for $28.78 including shipping. They maybe great
or they may be horrible, who knows.

- Logan

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TOPIC: nike cheap sell wholesale shoes jordan shox air max force one gucci
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 7:54 pm
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 8:47 am
From: Nic Clark

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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 8:59 am
From: me@privacy.net

Anyone have advice on where to order some printed
checks for my personal checking acct?

My local bank is outrageous on check printing charges.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 9:37 am
From: Rick

me@privacy.net wrote:
>
> Anyone have advice on where to order some printed
> checks for my personal checking acct?
>
> My local bank is outrageous on check printing charges.

Personally, we've been using "Checks in the Mail" for about 8 years and
have never had any problem with them. The web address is:

www.citm.com

Rick

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 12:38 pm
From: me@privacy.net

>Since I finally started paying bills on line (late learner), I've cut my
>check usage to about 10 / year (seems to be primarily tax payments & a
>quarter water bill).
>
>Save the stamp, pay at your convenience & save on the check costs.

Understand

But my landlord does not take electronic payments that
I know of

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 1:17 pm
From: skarkada@gmail.com

Wal-Mart does check printing. We have been using their service for the
past couple of years and didn't have any problems.

Go to http://www.walmart.com/moneycenter and click on the link or go
directly using http://www.walmartchecks.com/

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 1:24 pm
From: goaway@fractious.net

me@privacy.net writes:

> >Since I finally started paying bills on line (late learner), I've cut my
> >Save the stamp, pay at your convenience & save on the check costs.

> But my landlord does not take electronic payments that
> I know of

If your landlord has a name and postal mailing address, most banks
with online bill-payment will simply print and mail a paper check
to him.

Some landlords, of course, may not like that, either. One place
I used to live, the landlord insisted that I leave the paper
check in his mailbox on the first of the month. (according to
my lease, while it was *due* on the first, I had like 9 days
to get it to him before it was considered late - but if it
was not in his mailbox on the first, he'd start calling me
each day. Annoying as hell and, IMO, rather petty on his part).

Anyway, I've got at least three or four bills that I pay
via my bank's online payment deal where they cut a paper
check and mail it. Nice - no cost to me - no printing
of checks, no buying of stamps, nada.

FWIW2, I've used Checks in the Mail in the past to have
checks printed and never had a problem at all. Reasonable
price, surprisingly fast turnaround.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 1:33 pm
From: me@privacy.net

>Anyway, I've got at least three or four bills that I pay
>via my bank's online payment deal where they cut a paper
>check and mail it. Nice - no cost to me - no printing
>of checks, no buying of stamps, nada.

OK will check it out

>FWIW2, I've used Checks in the Mail in the past to have
>checks printed and never had a problem at all. Reasonable
>price, surprisingly fast turnaround.

Good to know thanks!

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 1:35 pm
From: me@privacy.net

>Wal-Mart does check printing. We have been using their service for the
>past couple of years and didn't have any problems.
>
>Go to http://www.walmart.com/moneycenter and click on the link or go
>directly using http://www.walmartchecks.com/

Interesting!

Can you do this thru any local Walmart store?

Or is it online only?

I'm wondering if I could place and order and pick it up
at local super Walmart to save shipping costs?

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 9:19 am
From: Dennis

On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 20:04:59 -0400, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:

>Dennis wrote:
>>>>"Marsha" <mas@xeb.net> wrote in message news:fdorrk$jv2$2@news.datemas.de...
>>>>>The contents of my small home safe feel slightly damp and they smell odd. Does anyone
>>>>>have any suggestions on solving this problem?
>
>>
>> There are active dehumidifiers that are made to work inside safes.
>> Goldenrod is one brand. It is essentially a very low wattage radiant
>> electric heater. I have one and it seems to work, but my safe is in a
>> dry (but unheated) spot to start with.
>>
>>
>> Dennis (evil)
>
>The safe is very small, 14" x 10" x 6". Would that
>work in a safe that size?

I know that they offer various sized Goldenrods, but I doubt that
there is one that small. You might do some googling though.

With that size, you are probably better off using the silica gel
packs. (Just remember, as tempting as it may be -- DON'T EAT! :-)

Dennis (evil)
--
The honest man is the one who realizes that he cannot
consume more, in his lifetime, than he produces.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 9:33 am
From: Wooly

Marsha wrote:
> josh@phred.org wrote:
>> In article <fdorrk$jv2$2@news.datemas.de>, mas@xeb.net says...
>>
>>> The contents of my small home safe feel slightly damp and they smell
>>> odd. Does anyone have any suggestions on solving this problem?
>>
>>
>> "Crystals" type cat litter is silica gel, the same stuff sold in
>> overpriced little packets for drying things. Buy a 4lb jar of it,
>> pour it into a dry cloth bag (or a clean pillowcase) and put it in the
>> safe.
>>
>> Bake it in the oven overnight to dry it out occasionally.
>>
>
> You're serious...this would work?
>
> Marsha/Ohio
>

Yes, it works, and it's cheaper than buying the little packets.

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 9:32 am
From: difdrummer@webtv.net (Bob Young)

It depends on how you cook the spam. I prefer some barbeque sauce and
onions and fry it. Not sure if I heard of spam killing anyone though.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 10:08 am
From: Warren Block

Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
> It just keeps getting worse. I wonder why this group gets so much more than
> others?

You can avoid worthless content on a TV by never tuning to worthless
channels.

A killfile gives you similar control over newsgroups. For example,
killfile everything from the top newsgroup spam source--Google
Groups--and that spam won't be visible. How to do that depends on your
newsreader. Outlook might not be able to do it. Certainly there are
plenty of free news clients that can.

--
Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota * USA

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 10:11 am
From: dold@86.usenet.us.com

In alt.cellular.cingular Todd Allcock <elecconnec@americaonline.com> wrote:
> At 01 Oct 2007 17:14:01 +0000 dold@86.usenet.us.com wrote:
> > Don't forget the bluetooth headsets. Those work fine for cordless
> VoIP.
> True. Re-pairing everytime I switch between phone and PC is a
> hassle, tho'. I guess that's an excuse to buy more earpieces! ;-)

I bought two, after going through the re-pairing excerise a couple of
times. I have a pocket sized headset for cellular, and a larger headset
for PC. Plantronics touts their ability to switch seamlessly.

> > Who would one of these "more typical" SIP providers be?
> The small-fry- Voicestick, OneSuite, callwithus.com, etc.

Darn. I want name recognition and flexibility from the same vendor. ;-(

> need to be using 1000-1500/minutes a month or more for that $19.99 to
> be a good deal.

I was using it as my home phone replacement, so with unlimited LD it was
cheaper than the basic landline.

> The problem with most if not all WiFi VoIP phones is the lack of web
> browser. Too many public WiFi APs (including most hotels) require
> you toagree to a TOS page in a browser before you get access to the
> 'net. This wipes out the ability for those phones to connect. When
> I want to Skype over WiFi when traveling, I use my Pocket PC.

I wonder if that's behind the T-Mobile "hotspot@home" signup. There's
something about pre-authorized hotspots. The Netgear page mentions some
ISP roaming standard.

> Skype's improved quite a bit in the connection to POTS department, IMO.

I expected that with the eBay involvement. At least they would be
US-centric. I have had Skype-out calls arrive at my home from Australia
and Germany in the last couple of days that sounded good, undetectable from
"being there". i should just cough up a few bucks and try it again.

> I just can't take a "phone" service seriously that needs my PC on to
> work. (While the WiFi phones are cute, I like being able to hook
> "real phones" into a VoIP box.)

A piece of software on the PC, or a standalone ATA... same-o.
Some of the other Skype WiFi phones are not self contained, and have a
widget to plug in. I plugged my "real" phones into the Callvantage ATA.
I don't mind it being PC-only. The WiFi phone might be less handy. I'd
carry more junk when I had the laptop already.

> > housemates didn't like 10 digit dialing. Not 7, not 11, 10.

> That can be fixed with most ATA boxes in their setup by editing the

I didn't see that with Callvantage. I think it was even answered as a FAQ
with "because that's the way it is" or words to that effect.

> > Unplug one wire, plug in another wire. No drama, no skills required.

> Many people often forget the "unhook the local telco's line from the
> entrance bridge/test interface" part and fry a perfectly good VoIP
> box!

That's just bad hardware design. There's no excuse for frying
telco-certified parts at telco-certified line voltages. Once upon a time,
I did some work where our gadget sat inline with telco, and we routed LD
calls, and let the local calls go through. We weren't trying to drive
volts out the same connector, but still. Nothing fried if you hooked it up
backwards. The ATA should be able to detect line voltage, and post a red
blinking error message on the management page.

--
Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 10:48 am
From: Todd Allcock

At 02 Oct 2007 17:11:38 +0000 dold@86.usenet.us.com wrote:

> Darn. I want name recognition and flexibility from the same
vendor. ;-(

Sadly, I think you won't get that- I suspect advetising is the single
largest expense with the big guys like Vonage and CallVantage.

> I was using it as my home phone replacement, so with unlimited LD
it was
> cheaper than the basic landline.

Absolutely.

> I wonder if that's behind the T-Mobile "hotspot@home" signup.
There's
> something about pre-authorized hotspots.

No- the T-Mo service isn't really VoIP in the tradtional sense- it's
more like "GoIP"- the actual GSM packets are delivered via the
internet instead of over the air, which is why you can seamlessly
sWitch between WiFi and cellular mid-call.

> The Netgear page mentions some
> ISP roaming standard.

The T-Mo service has the same problem as the Skype phones- no way to
authenticate with a browser- you can put in a WEP/WPA key, but that's
about it.

> I expected that with the eBay involvement. At least they would be
> US-centric. I have had Skype-out calls arrive at my home from
Australia
> and Germany in the last couple of days that sounded good,
undetectable from
> "being there". i should just cough up a few bucks and try it again.

If you're going to lug the laptop around, why not? It's cheap
enough, and it works pretty well. If you have a PocketPC or Symbian-
based phone you can even use Skype from them.

> > I just can't take a "phone" service seriously that needs my PC
on to
> > work. (While the WiFi phones are cute, I like being able to hook
> > "real phones" into a VoIP box.)
>
> A piece of software on the PC, or a standalone ATA... same-o.

For traveling, no problem. For home landline replacement I'd rather
nothave it PC-based, all else being equal.

> Some of the other Skype WiFi phones are not self contained, and
have a
> widget to plug in. I plugged my "real" phones into the Callvantage
ATA.
> I don't mind it being PC-only. The WiFi phone might be less handy.
I'd
> carry more junk when I had the laptop already.

True enough!

> > That can be fixed with most ATA boxes in their setup by editing
the
>
> I didn't see that with Callvantage. I think it was even answered
as a FAQ
> with "because that's the way it is" or words to that effect.

Depends on what model ATA they use, orif they allow you to access the
settings. They might "lock" customers out of it to prevent them from
screwing things up.

> > > Unplug one wire, plug in another wire. No drama, no skills
required.
>
> > Many people often forget the "unhook the local telco's line from
the
> > entrance bridge/test interface" part and fry a perfectly good VoIP
> > box!
>
> That's just bad hardware design. There's no excuse for frying
> telco-certified parts at telco-certified line voltages.

Agreed, but many VoIP ATAs look like something hobbled together off
the parts wall at a RadioShack! ;-)

> Once upon a time,
> I did some work where our gadget sat inline with telco, and we
routed LD
> calls, and let the local calls go through. We weren't trying to
drive
> volts out the same connector, but still. Nothing fried if you
hooked it up
> backwards. The ATA should be able to detect line voltage, and post
a red
> blinking error message on the management page.

Agreed!

Take care!

"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 10:50 am
From: Steve Sobol

["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.sprintpcs.]
On 2007-10-02, dold@86.usenet.us.com <dold@86.usenet.us.com> wrote:

> I wonder if that's behind the T-Mobile "hotspot@home" signup. There's
> something about pre-authorized hotspots. The Netgear page mentions some
> ISP roaming standard.

Yes. T-Mobile HotSpot customers can roam on several other companies'
WiFI networks. The charges vary (some are per-minute or per-hour,
some per-day). This is useful when you're stuck in a place that does not have
T-Mo HotSpot service (like an airport waiting for a layover).

--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
"Drench yourself in words unspoken / Live your life with arms wide open
Today is where your book begins / The rest is still unwritten"
- Natasha Beddingfield

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TOPIC: Apples
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 10:31 am
From: PaPaPeng

On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 12:56:50 -0000, "charleymccormick@gmail.com"
<charleymccormick@gmail.com> wrote:

>Bagging has been used in America and Japan for sometime. I really
>think the bagging of fruit witnessed in the documentary might have
>been one of the organic farms that cater to China's elite and
>political leaders. With literally millions of individual farmers in
>China growing apples, most of them small farmers, I find it hard to
>believe that they have access to an "idle" work force to grow apples
>in such a manner.

You are so out of touch with what is going on in China that the only
cure is for you to pay a visit there. You are free to travel anywhere
within China (Tibet requires an easily obtainable permit) and no one
gives a damn that you are there. That is you can see and ask anyone
anything you like. The cost of everything there is at almost giveaway
prices that a 1000 dollar budget will make you spend like a
millionaire.

Unemployment and underemployment is an endemic problem. Even a
university graduate is lucky to get a job as a security guard at 800
Yuan a month, the equivalent of just over USD 100. A mid management
job pays just around 300 to 500 dollars a month. In the countryside
the income is much less. That is why the peasants are streaming into
the cities by the tens of millions to find work. This option is not
available to most of the older peasants as they have to maintain their
farms and families. These stay at homes number in the hundreds of
millions since some 80 percent of China's 1.3 billions still live in
the countryside.

On this apple thingy, do give your theory on how China managed to grow
from nothing to its domination in so short a time. That's the OP's
question I tried to answer. He and I am certainly very interested in
another explanation.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 10:36 am
From: Joe

I'm a new homeowner and was told that I should have my oil furnace
cleaned and serviced every year. I've gotten a couple of quotes that
vary between 100-200 dollars. How much do you pay each year?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 11:36 am
From: PaPaPeng

On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 17:36:48 -0000, Joe <joe5345@gmail.com> wrote:

>I'm a new homeowner and was told that I should have my oil furnace
>cleaned and serviced every year. I've gotten a couple of quotes that
>vary between 100-200 dollars. How much do you pay each year?

Does it look like the previous owner cleaned his furnace every year?
If not then you don't need to either. If it looks dirty enough its
quite easy to shut it off and clean it yourself unless you consider
$200 worth not having to do it yourself.

I always kept my own 30 year old gas furnace clean myself. It looks
as new as the day I had built the house. I asked the gas company to
inspect the heat exchanger tubes and innards two years ago and he said
everything is in pretty good condition.

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TOPIC: Converting AVI file collection to DVD
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 11:25 am
From: Fred the Red Shirt

On Oct 2, 4:40 am, hansonfox <hansen.J....@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:05:12 +0000 (UTC), -Art- (not Art) wrote:
> > On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:18:26 -0400, TJ wrote:
> >> I want to convert avi files into DVDs
>
> DVDFlickfreewarehttp://www.dvdflick.net
>
> Just drag the AVI file onto DVD flick and it will create the DVD files.
>
> Then burn the DVD with ImgBurn freewarehttp://www.imgburn.com
>
> Just drag the VIDEO_TS folder onto ImgBurn and it will create the DVD disc.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 12:06 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

** Frank ** <noemall@xyz.net> wrote:
> "hansonfox" <hansen.J.fox@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:hfkMi.56720$YL5.52691@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>>
>> Is there an easy lookup table that shows us which DVD media is good
>> quality?
>
> Don't know, but don't buy the store junk brand especially from Fry's
> junk GQ(Great Quality) media. Great for hanging on fruit trees to
> scare off the birds though. Stick with known quality brands. Check
> out Google -some prefer one brand over the other, maybe someone put
> out a table too. My experience is a good burner is just as important
> as the media as it solves much of the bad burns.
>
> Unlike the retail movies and music which can last for decades, DVD
> and CD blanks don't last long due to "rot" and delamination/oxidation
> - maybe 5 years.

I've got heaps that have lasted a hell of a lot longer than that.

In fact havent ever lost any.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 12:15 pm
From: Fred the Red Shirt

I've been trying to use DVDFlick 1.2.2.1 bluild 442 and Roxio Build:
2.4.32b to create a DVD from some of the Star Trek: Hidden Frontier
files after downloading them in Apple Quicktime (.mov) format.

I've tried creating merging a couple of the shorter episodes into one
iso file with one chapter per video source, and also tried putting a
longer one one with one chapter every ten minutes. In both cases
I get a iso that autoplays when I open it with VLC media player.
Clicking on the VLC media player menu button does nothing and
the playlist only shows one file.

If I burn the iso file to a DVD using Roxio, it does the same thing.

What's up with that? Do other users here get better results?

I'm running Win XP Pro, if that makes a difference.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 1:13 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Fred the Red Shirt <fredfighter@spamcop.net> wrote:
> On Oct 2, 4:40 am, hansonfox <hansen.J....@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:05:12 +0000 (UTC), -Art- (not Art) wrote:
>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:18:26 -0400, TJ wrote:
>>>> I want to convert avi files into DVDs
>>
>> DVDFlickfreewarehttp://www.dvdflick.net
>>
>> Just drag the AVI file onto DVD flick and it will create the DVD
>> files.
>>
>
> I've been trying to use DVDFlick 1.2.2.1 bluild 442 and Roxio Build:
> 2.4.32b to create a DVD from some of the Star Trek: Hidden Frontier
> files after downloading them in Apple Quicktime (.mov) format.
>
> I've tried creating merging a couple of the shorter episodes into one
> iso file with one chapter per video source, and also tried putting a
> longer one one with one chapter every ten minutes. In both cases
> I get a iso that autoplays when I open it with VLC media player.
> Clicking on the VLC media player menu button does nothing and
> the playlist only shows one file.

> If I burn the iso file to a DVD using Roxio, it does the same thing.

> What's up with that?

You need to setup a proper menu with the two
separate episodes as separate entrys in the menu.

> Do other users here get better results?

Yep.

> I'm running Win XP Pro, if that makes a difference.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 12:17 pm
From: PaPaPeng

On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 00:09:27 GMT, William Souden <souden@nospam.com>
wrote:

> While waiting at the airport instead of paying for wireless net
>access sit near the members lounge and you might get a signal,

I do only holiday travel and the last thing I want is to be tied to a
computer. Its delicate and a theft bait. I don't need the
aggravation. I don't carry any road warrior stuff like a cellphone,
iPod or stuff like that. Its a holiday free from everything.
>
> Request a seat near the rear. Many people choose seats up front so
>they can get off first. You have a better chance of getting a middle
>seat empty or maybe all three if you are near the rear. Never take the
>last row as those seats do not recline but as you take off check to see
>if those seats are empty. If all three are vacant you can lie down and
>sleep. Keep checking the airlines web site to see what seats are open.

I always pick an aisle seat so that I can stretch my legs and one
elbow space doesn't have to be restricted by the next passenger. The
seat row by the emergency exit is even better as it has more leg room.
I also prefer the aisle seat on the right row of seats as I am more
comfortable leaning my head to the left when I sleep. I bring my own
pillow and its really wonderful to be able to sleep comfortably on
long flights or even on airport seats in between a long wait for the
connecting flight. Having a good thick book I always wanted to read
helps. I make a quick spin around the waiting area for newspapers
left behind and they're good for an hour or two reading the local
news and doing the crosswords.
>
> If you have a long delay politely request access to the members
>lounge. The most that can happen is a polite "no".
>
> Pack your own food-sandwiches from home, stuff from the deli and only
>but water at the airport. You eat better than your fellow passengers and
>do it on your schedule. I can not recall the last time I took anything
>beyond soda,coffee or juice on a plane.

I am lucky in having flexible mealtimes and can comfortably endure 36
hours without a meal. Whenever the refreshment cart comes around I
always ask for two servings of orange juice. This keeps me hydrated.
The sugar and orange pulp is enough to take care of any need to eat
food. Pop doesn't do it. I have food sensitivities and avoid the
usual airport cafeteria foods as much as possible. I avoid bringing
personal snacks as they only set the hunger juices flowing without
being able to satisfy it.
>
> If you are renting a car the off-airport places have better prices.
>If you are not renting check options besides taxis. At Newark Airport NJ
>Transit take you right to Penn Station in NYC.

I try to use the airport to downtown bus service first and come back
the same way. Taxi from downtown to the hotel is a lot cheaper. I
travel light with no more luggage than I can carry comfortably with
one or both hands. If I buy stuff on my travels I buy a cheap gym bag
to carry them in.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 1:42 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Sep 30, 1:38 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Logan Shaw <lshaw-use...@austin.rr.com> said in
> misc.consumers.frugal-living:
>
> >I don't think the writer from The Motley Fool is a marketing person trying
> >to get you to buy a new car rather than a used one. Instead, I think it's
> >an article about the fact rules have exceptions. In this case, the rule
> >that buying a late-model used car is a better deal than buying new is the
> >rule with exceptions.
>
> >And, as far as I can tell, it's a bona fide exception. In recent years,
> >some hybrids have been just as expensive used as they have been new.
>
> Maybe, maybe not.
>
> The Motley Fool neglected the fact that, for several years, the Prius
> and other hybrids were selling for several thousand dollars OVER MSRP
> (via Added Dealer Markup stickers). So the used ones on the market now
> are actually selling for less than they cost new, as they should.
> Another factor propping up the prices of used Priusi, at least in
> California, is the fcat that CA is no longer handing out Carpool Lane
> Access OK stickers for hybrids. If you want one of those (and, IMNSHO,
> that's the primary advantage to owning a hybrid), you have to buy a
> used Prius that already has one. This demand helps keep prices for the
> used ones high, as well.
> --
> More reasons why PayPal SUCKS:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr_7--e5A1g

This only lends more support to my contention that this is an article
to get you to the dealers to BUY another car.

They are taking an exception to the rule and trying to use it to
motivate the reader to act.

TMT

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TOPIC: How do I know if I have good blank DVD media
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 1:23 am
From: "k"

"hansonfox" <hansen.J.fox@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:hfkMi.56720$YL5.52691@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
|
| Is there an easy lookup table that shows us which DVD media is good
| quality?

www.DVDrecordable.org - a good site for reviews on optical media and drives

and http://www.dvdinfopro.com/ - DVDINFOProT by Nic Wilson is a DVD
information program written in Visual C++ for Windows 95, 98, 98SE, ME, NT,
2000, XP. Will tell you how good your burner is and how good the media is

*************************************

kprobe:
from http://www.cdrlabs.com/kprobe/index.php
(2.1Mb download)
allows you to test dvd media by looking at the errors on the disks.

*************************************

http://www.videohelp.com/dvdmedia

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 1:44 am
From: Flasherly

On Oct 2, 12:59 am, hansonfox <hansen.J....@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Is there an easy lookup table that shows us which DVD media is good
> quality?

No. You need to read the disk manufacturer's TOC with special ID
programs, and that'll give you the country of origin and which
specific plant the batch of disks came from. Plants are generic,
which means they'll sell their discs to somebody to brand them as they
see fit. Somebody can mean more or less according to their standards.
You have to find out of the batch process is a good one, to go deeper,
types of dyes employed and overall quality. There are trackers -
sites with people doing that sort of thing from surveys and
tabulations for consistent media quality. Among somebody, Taiyo Yuden
used to be a better name for expected quality, last I checked. A
player/writer is no less important. One that doesn't work with good
discs or whose manufacturer doesn't consider its customers for future
media compatibility is effectively cutting its own throat. Don't know
if NEC got back on the boat, but last player (after several NEC 34/35-
series) I bought was a LG model.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 6:39 am
From: "** Frank **"

"hansonfox" <hansen.J.fox@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:hfkMi.56720$YL5.52691@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>
> Is there an easy lookup table that shows us which DVD media is good
> quality?

Don't know, but don't buy the store junk brand especially from Fry's junk
GQ(Great Quality) media. Great for hanging on fruit trees to scare off the
birds though. Stick with known quality brands. Check out Google -some prefer
one brand over the other, maybe someone put out a table too. My experience
is a good burner is just as important as the media as it solves much of the
bad burns.

Unlike the retail movies and music which can last for decades, DVD and CD
blanks don't last long due to "rot" and delamination/oxidation - maybe 5
years.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 7:52 am
From: Duddits

On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 04:59:57 GMT, hansonfox
<hansen.J.fox@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
>Is there an easy lookup table that shows us which DVD media is good
>quality?

Most tests prefer Taiyo Yuden with Verbatim coming in a close second.
Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim (Mitsubishi Chemical Company) make there own
DVDs while most others (Sony, Maxell, HP, etc) merely contract them
out.

regards

Dud
--
Anyone that enables a troll is as bad as a troll and will be kill filed.
Only trolls take the troll bait.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 7:59 am
From: John Corliss

hansonfox wrote:
> Is there an easy lookup table that shows us which DVD media is good
> quality?

Please don't crosspost off topic discussions into alt.comp.freeware.

Our group is supposed to be for the discussion of freeware, not DVD
media or other hardware.

--
John Corliss BS206. I try not to reply to trolls like Andy Mabbett,
Hummingbird or proteanthread.
Because of Googlespam, I use NFilter to block all Google Groups
posts from being displayed in my news reader.
No ad, cd, commercial, cripple, demo, dotnet, nag, share, spy,
time-limited, trial or web wares OR warez for me, please.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 8:37 am
From: Craig

John Corliss wrote:
> hansonfox wrote:
>> Is there an easy lookup table that shows us which DVD media is good
>> quality?
>
> Please don't crosspost off topic discussions into alt.comp.freeware.
>
> Our group is supposed to be for the discussion of freeware, not DVD
> media or other hardware.
>

Not so fast, John. This thread is bearing fruit ... an admittedly [OT]
question brought up an adware, an expired site and ... and ... <GOLD>!

> kprobe:
> from http://www.cdrlabs.com/kprobe/index.php

> (2.1Mb download)
> allows you to test dvd media by looking at the errors on the disks.

-Craig

complete message:

k wrote:
> "hansonfox" <hansen.J.fox@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:hfkMi.56720$YL5.52691@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
> |
> | Is there an easy lookup table that shows us which DVD media is good
> | quality?
>
>
>
> www.DVDrecordable.org - a good site for reviews on optical media and
drives
>
> and http://www.dvdinfopro.com/ - DVDINFOProT by Nic Wilson is a DVD
> information program written in Visual C++ for Windows 95, 98, 98SE,
ME, NT,
> 2000, XP. Will tell you how good your burner is and how good the
media is
>
> *************************************
>
> kprobe:
> from http://www.cdrlabs.com/kprobe/index.php

> (2.1Mb download)
> allows you to test dvd media by looking at the errors on the disks.
>
> *************************************
>
> http://www.videohelp.com/dvdmedia

>
>

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 3:59 am
From: justpratik

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 5:30 am
From: George Grapman

justpratik wrote:
> hello you can also earn so much money by adsense i have earn just
> look my site about tips and tricks
> http://publisherone.blogspot.com/
>
Hope you use that money for a remedial English class.

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 4:32 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <1191244545.649604.241670@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Joseph O'Brien <obrien1984@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> As I see it, I have a few options.
> 1) Tell them I'm taking some classes that will meet in the morning,
> twice a week for 6 weeks, and ask off for those times. Don't mention
> nursing school or quitting or anything. If they ask, just say I'm
> taking some "natural science" classes to further my education. In the
> spring, come clean and tell them I will be returning to school full
> time.

Why not do that? Being honest with an employer is almost always the best
policy.

> 2) Tell them I am considering going back to school for an advanced
> degree, but before making any rash decisions, I need to take two
> prereqs that meet during work hours. After finishing those, tell them
> I will definitely be going back to school and help them find a
> replacement.

> 3) Come clean and tell them everything.

I would go for option 2, but your employer might force option 3 upon
you. There's another option that might or might not be worth persuing.
See if you can take those courses at another school in the evening or
weekends.

> My concerns are, of course, that they won't let me take the time off,
> or, if this doesn't work out, I won't have a place to work next year.
> If I didn't need 5 months between completing my prereqs and going full
> time, then I wouldn't mind quitting. Also, I want to be sure to
> respect the investment they have made in me over the last 6 years.
>
> I'm probably making a mountain out of a molehill, but I just wanted to
> seek some completely anonymous advice. What does the all-knowing
> usenet think I should do?

I think you should just talk with your manager about your plans, but
don't reveal any more information than is absolutely necessary. You
might also benefit by reading a book that you can buy at any major
bookstore. The book is called "What Color is Your Parachute" and its
updated annually. This book, written by Richard Bolles, is geared toward
career changers and first time job seekers. When I was studying for
final exams in college for my senior year, my advisor strongly urged me
to read that book, and he was absolutely right. You should read it too.
Fortunately, its not expensive.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 7:49 am
From: George

Don K wrote:
> "Joseph O'Brien" <obrien1984@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1191244545.649604.241670@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> As I see it, I have a few options.
>
>> 1) Tell them I'm taking some classes that will meet in the morning,
>> twice a week for 6 weeks, and ask off for those times. Don't mention
>> nursing school or quitting or anything. If they ask, just say I'm
>> taking some "natural science" classes to further my education. In the
>> spring, come clean and tell them I will be returning to school full
>> time.
>
> Don't give too much notice.
>
> There was a guy at work who thought he was being a nice guy
> by giving extra notice that he would be leaving in a couple of months.
>
> Management said no you're not, next Friday will be your last day.
>
> Don
>
>
I have seen that in action with typical megacorp thinking (its only our
way or our way). I worked with a guy who announced that he was going to
work for another company that was not a competitor and that he would
stay on for a couple weeks to insure an orderly transition of his
projects. They called security and had him escorted out of the building.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 7:59 am
From: me@privacy.net

>Don't give too much notice.

Agree

One week is enough

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 7:59 am
From: me@privacy.net

>I have seen that in action with typical megacorp thinking (its only our
>way or our way). I worked with a guy who announced that he was going to
>work for another company that was not a competitor and that he would
>stay on for a couple weeks to insure an orderly transition of his
>projects. They called security and had him escorted out of the building.

Hahaha!!

Aint that just typical..... try and do the right thing
and it bites you in the ass

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 4:59 am
From: eHDMI

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 5:17 am
From: clams casino

eHDMI wrote:

>Sample SPAM
>
>
>

This group appears to have finally been relieved of the chinese shoe
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abuse@abuse.earthlink.net wants to hear from you if you want this
spammer shut down.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 6:56 am
From: "Melissa"

"Anthony Matonak" <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote in message
news:46ffed1c$0$16456$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Melissa wrote:
> > "Anthony Matonak" <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote in
message
> >> ... Lobby your local politicians
> >> to make it illegal to spam or to enforce the laws that
> >> may already exist.
> >
> > Yes, my local Ohio politicians hold a lot of sway over Nigeria and
China.
>
> You probably aren't reading the newsgroup off a server in Nigeria
> or China. Your local ISP could be much more aggressive in filtering
> out messages from known spam countries. If China won't keep their
> spammers in check then they shouldn't be surprised that they don't
> get to post on usenet.
>
> Anthony

I can't even get our ISP (Time Warner) to filter obvious nasty spam coming
through the email. Even when sent headers etc. they do nothing. I've blocked
most of the emails, but just haven't taken the time to write all the filters
for news.

Melissa

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 5:56 am
From: "charleymccormick@gmail.com"

On Oct 1, 5:00 pm, PaPaPeng <PaPaP...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> My replies (in another NG) to the original question may be of interest
> to this group.
> =============
>
> On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 05:34:17 -0700, "charleymccorm...@gmail.com"
>
> <charleymccorm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Having spent decades working to improve the safety of our domestic
> produce by creating standards for farmers in America, we have now
> thrown out all those advancements by importing our food supply.
> Pesticides are proven to impact the neurological system, and this is a
> great threat to children who's systems are still undeveloped. With the
> increase in disorders such as autism, and new studies linking
> pesticides to increased susceptibility to autism, we need to examine
> the possibility that we are poisoning our children. One example is the
> Chinese apple industry, which did not exist 15 years ago, and now
> dominates the world producers. Children consume the majority of apple
> juice world wide, and we should wonder how the Chinese managed to
> build this industry so quickly. Check outwww.chineseapplejuice.com
>
> On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 05:34:17 -0700, "charleymccorm...@gmail.com"
>
> <charleymccorm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >One example is the
> >Chinese apple industry, which did not exist 15 years ago, and now
> >dominates the world producers. Children consume the majority of apple
> >juice world wide, and we should wonder how the Chinese managed to
> >build this industry so quickly. Check outwww.chineseapplejuice.com
>
> Saw a TV report somewhere. I think it was PBS on "China Rising".
>
> The part that really bamboozled me was that prime apples from China
> had their fruit buds protected individually in a paper bag (complete
> with printed logo) by workers attaching these bags by hand. The
> apples then grow to maturity protected from insect attacks and from
> insecticide sprays. And probably the vagaries of weather. Ingenuous.
> Two major problems perhaps four solved in one stroke. The fourth
> problem solved is when harvested the apples are aleady wrapped for the
> market. Maybe fifth, sixth, seventh and eight advantages too as the
> apples will be protected from human skin contact at harvest and do not
> require washing or post plucking quality control as the plucker can do
> the QA at the time he plucks the apple. This virtuous circle includes
> minimal loss from placing unsuitable apples on the shelves. Sub
> quality apples go to make apple juice without having to be sorted
> again at the factory.
>
> China can do this because of the availability of plentiful cheap
> labor. The same laborers who so carefully placed the paper bags over
> the buds can also inspect them for ripeness when they harvest the
> apples. The best ones are plucked and the rawer ones left on the tree
> to ripen to full juice and texture. So you have consistent best
> quality in every batch and minimal loss from overripe fruits or bad
> customer satisfaction from unripe ones. Even without the paper
> wrapper for the buds part here is no machine harvestor that can beat
> this kind of fruit orchard husbandry.
>
> I probably embellished the advantages of the Chinese innovations from
> point thee onwards (ie not in the TV report) but I defy you to fault
> my arguments.
>
> I am guessing here but I imagine, or maybe it was in that TV report,
> the another advantage China has is that you can grow apple trees on
> slopes quite useless for grain farming or anything else. The vast
> scarred loess hills of north central China would be ideal for fruit
> orchards. I think there are indications that these same lands are
> also ideal for grape growing and the wine and liquor inductries of the
> other countries are at risk. Like apples grapes will benefit greatly
> from human husbandry and no machine can compete with that kind of
> care.
>
> There you are. There is no way the apple orchards of America can get
> enough Mexican migrant workers or pay them enough to do this kind of
> work. So their apples were left to rot on the trees. A few years of
> that and it was necessary to uproot those trees. I can't remember if
> rotting apples would harbor and promote any agricultural diseases.
>
> On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:16:52 GMT, PaPaPeng <PaPaP...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >China can do this because of the availability of plentiful cheap
> >labor. The same laborers who so carefully placed the paper bags over
> >the buds can also inspect them for ripeness when they harvest the
> >apples.
>
> I can't remember if they also hand pollinate the buds, an altogether
> not impossible labor intensive procedure that guarantees quality.
> This can be easily done and the laborer can immediately cover that
> pollinated bud with the paper bag. This way there will not be any
> competitive pollination by wild pollen, a surefire way of assuring
> genetic purity. It also ensures that practically every flower will
> produce a fruit. The paper bag keeps out insect infestations while it
> is growing. This intensive care will also let workers spot at an early
> stage any infestations or botanical distress that can be treated
> promptly. Early treatment requires less aggressive intervention .
> That in turn will minimize control efforts, minimize costs and is
> ecologically friendlier.
>
> As I said it before boggles my mind that anyone could come up with
> such a scheme to operate an orchard industry. I think the original
> scheme was to make work in an otherwise poor countryside. When one
> does virtuous things the benefits just multiply. I think the poor
> third world countries should practice something similar, make use of
> idle labor and literally work like busy bees to enhance their fruit
> and squash production for example.

Bagging has been used in America and Japan for sometime. I really
think the bagging of fruit witnessed in the documentary might have
been one of the organic farms that cater to China's elite and
political leaders. With literally millions of individual farmers in
China growing apples, most of them small farmers, I find it hard to
believe that they have access to an "idle" work force to grow apples
in such a manner.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 6:12 am
From: "OhioGuy"

I need about 10 SATA data cables and 10 SATA power adapter cables. (the
ones that let you use existing molex power connectors from the PS)

Several of my friends and myself would like to take advantage of some of
the OEM SATA drive deals we've seen being offered, but we currently don't
have the data cables or power cables we would need. Obviously, we don't
want to pay the extra $15 or so that is asked for the retail box version
that has this, plus software on a disk we also don't want.

I recently upgraded the mboard on one of my Dad's PC's, and the
motherboard came with a twin pack of these cables - one data, and one power
adapter cable.

I can't imagine that these should really cost much more than a dollar
each, but I'm hoping to buy 10 of each for a grand total of $35. That's 20
pieces, which comes to $1.75 each, including shipping.

Anyone know where I can find such a deal? I've had a few people suggest
different sources, but best I've found is about $5 a pair. Considering that
I can find IDE cables for 70c, I would think I'd be able to find SATA stuff
for twice that or less.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 6:32 am
From: SMS

ultimauw@hotmail.com wrote:

> I think Cell Phones are starting to kill off the land lines en masse.
> Just 10 years ago, it was *rare* to see anybody except business folks
> with cell phones, now there are so ubiquitous that even pre-teens
> usualy have one. The only appeal of services like Vonage is the price,

The average Vonage customer pays $28.38. Maybe this is a good price in
some parts of the country, if you make a lot of long-distance calls at
the ridiculous rates that AT&T charges for them. Of course you also have
to have broadband to your house, either cable, ($50/month in my area for
Comcast broadband), or DSL, at about $30 for naked DSL or $15+local
phone service.

My local phone bill is about $17/month from AT&T. $11 (Vonage price-$17)
would buy 440 minutes of long distance on a provider like OneSuite
(2.5¢.minute). How many non-business users make 440 minutes of long
distance during peak times? Complicating things further for Vonage, is
free in-network calling on most cell phone plans. within circles of
friends and relatives that call each other a lot, the tendency is to all
migrate to the same cellular provider.

Vonage is like many products and services that base their entire
business model on comparing their prices to what the most naive consumer
would pay for competing products and services. It's like the
advertisements that quote the MSRP for a product, then add the
disclaimer that the product "may never have been sold at the MSRP."

Even more ridiculous than Vonage, is Skype, but for different reasons.
The average revenue per Skype user is estimated at 12-13¢/month, because
almost no one uses it for anything other than free computer to computer
calls. Skype gets away with not providing E911 capability because they
claim that it's not a substitute for a landline. Unfortunately for eBay,
they have the data to prove that this is the case.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 7:29 am
From: Todd Allcock

At 02 Oct 2007 06:32:16 -0700 SMS wrote:

> The average Vonage customer pays $28.38. Maybe this is a good price
> in some parts of the country, if you make a lot of long-distance
> calls at the ridiculous rates that AT&T charges for them.

That'satually a goo price in MANY pats the country.

> Of course you also have to have broadband to your house, either
> cable, ($50/month in my area for Comcast broadband), or DSL, at
> about $30 for naked DSL or $15+local phone service.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that broadband+Vonage is cheaper
than POTS alone, only that if you're going to pay for broadband anyway,
you canvleverage it with VoIP for a little savings.

> My local phone bill is about $17/month from AT&T. $11 (Vonage price-
$17)

re you including all of the fees in that $17? My local seevice from
Qwest (Denver) is "only" $24.99, but that's before taxes (about $4)
and fees (about a buck for E911 and $6 for "interconnect fees")
bringing me to $36-37. Vonage is $25/month (the "average revenue per
customer" has no meaning in this discussion since we're not using the
"avearge" landline customer to compare them to.) and only has a
couple of bucks in taxes.

> would buy 440 minutes of long distance on a provider like OneSuite
> (2.5¢.minute). How many non-business users make 440 minutes of
> long distance during peak times?

Not the issue- you have far cheaper POTS services available to you
than most of us do- clearly a $25 VoIP isn't competitive THERE. Even
Qwest @ $36 is a vacation compared to the rural phone company I had
in Missouri- I paid over $50/month for LOCAL service with what is now
Embarq (Sprint/Union Telephone when I was there.)

Add to that a couple of bucks for LD service (the monthly fee for my
LD service before I make my first call) has risen from $0.99 to over
$3/month, bringing my "local" service to about $40.

> Complicating things further for Vonage, is free in-network calling
> on most cell phone plans. within circles of friends and relatives
> that call each other a lot, the tendency is to all migrate to the
> same cellular provider.

I'm surethat's a powerful marketing tool for many, but I've never
once in 20 years with cellphones, ever based my carrier choice based
on friend's or family's network.

> Vonage is like many products and services that base their entire
> business model on comparing their prices to what the most naive
> consumer would pay for competing products and services. It's like
> the advertisements that quote the MSRP for a product, then add
> the disclaimer that the product "may never have been sold at the
MSRP."

True, but Vonage is the li
e the AOL of VoIP- it's "VoIP for Dummies;" glossy brochures,
preconfigured hardware, you can buy it in stores- it Commands it's
price based on ease and convenience. Other VoIPs are cheaper, but
lack the capital and infrastrucre Vonage has (ok, had!) ;-)

> Even more ridiculous than Vonage, is Skype, but for different
> reasons. The average revenue per Skype user is estimated at
> 12-13¢/month, because almost no one uses it for anything other than
> free computer to computer calls. Skype gets away with not
> providing E911 capability because they claim that it's not a
> substitute for a landline. Unfortunately for eBay, they have the
> data to prove that this is the case.

Other than Larry, no one considers Skype as a VoIP player- they're
really a glorified IM program on steroids.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 8:26 am
From: SMS

Todd Allcock wrote:

> I don't think anyone is suggesting that broadband+Vonage is cheaper
> than POTS alone, only that if you're going to pay for broadband anyway,
> you canvleverage it with VoIP for a little savings.

Perhaps, though if you're paying for broadband anyway, Voicestick is a
better deal than Vonage, and is likely to be around longer since they
seem to have a business plan that doesn't rely on massive advertising
with annoying background sounds. Voicestick also has some features than
Vonage lacks.

Actually, I probably could run Vonage or Voicestick over our free
community wireless network, if it'd work at only 1Mb/s, but the
reliability is a big factor.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 6:38 am
From: cheapestsell

our email : cheapestsell@yahoo.com.cn
our msn : cheapestsell@hotmail.com

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 6:48 am
From: "** Frank **"

<Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG> wrote in message
news:MPG.2169b38da426065989d6c@nntp.aioe.org...
> In article <fdouhr$jv2$3@news.datemas.de>, mas@xeb.net says...
>> Don K wrote:
>>
>> > "Marsha" <mas@xeb.net> wrote in message
>> > news:fdorrk$jv2$2@news.datemas.de...
>> >
>> >>The contents of my small home safe feel slightly damp and they smell
>> >>odd. Does anyone
>> >>have any suggestions on solving this problem?
>
>
>> > Get a dehumidifier.
>
>
>> I don't think it would fit inside the safe ;-)
>
>
> Look for silica gel packets. They are larger versions of the
> ones inside bottles of aspirin, etc. Maybe check a camera store.
>
>
> --
> Get Credit Where Credit Is Due
> http://www.cardreport.com/
> Credit Tools, Reference, and Forum

Someone mention rice works too. If really frugal, you could eat it or make a
glue paste after.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 6:53 am
From: "OhioGuy"

Just curious - does anyone know the going rate these days for doing
freelance writing for magazines?

For 6 years, I had a monthly software and peripherals review column in a
computer focused magazine. I also did freelance work for a newspaper.
However, then I became a stay at home Dad when we had two kids within 12
months.

I can't really compare to what I made before, because both of those were
"get your foot in the door to get some experience" sort of jobs. One was
also for a nonprofit group. Like I said, I got a lot of experience, a free
Internet connection for a few years, and some $. Hopefully this time
around, I can get more of the latter.

Now that they are finally both out of diapers, and I have made some
progress on fixing up our double, I'd like to devote some time to writing
again.

However, I have no idea what a fair rate is these days. I don't want to
hold out for too much, and lose work, but I also don't want to be getting
less than the other folks. I'd like to put most of what I make into my ROTH
IRA, which is sorely underfunded at this point.

Anyone have a general idea?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 2 2007 8:24 am
From: Dawn

On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 15:10:00 -0700, TwoAllBeefPatties
<kwokx2@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Interesting site:
>
>http://www.kiva.org

I do this. I read about it on another forum on usenet. Thought it
looked interesting. Techincally it is a loan, but I look at it like
a donation. When my loan is repaid I reloan it to another person on
the site.
Dawn, who thinks it is a frugal use of her charitable donation money
as all of the money is used for its intended purpose.

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