Frugal Living: Nov 18, 2008

Tuesday, November 18, 2008

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TOPIC: Tennis on Helipad
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 11:29 pm
From: Ep

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TOPIC: Over 80,000 images of beautiful busty women
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 12:31 am
From: krystinacarle@gmail.com

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TOPIC: HELP DESK
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 2:14 am
From: DALILA

HELP DESK
http://www.helpdesksoftwarenewses.blogspot.com

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TOPIC: Can I drop AT&T Long Distance, Keep Local?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 2:22 am
From: Dan Birchall

rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com (Rod Speed) wrote:
> Dan Birchall <nobody@imaginary-host.danbirchall.com> wrote
> > rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com (Rod Speed) wrote
> >> And some dont charge extra for touch tone dialing anyway.
>
> > Huh, that's interesting. Examples?
>
> George says Verizon.

Hmm, wonder which bits of Verizon, or whether it's policy. Bell Atlantic
always charged for it, and I think GTE Hawaii did... both of those got
borged by Verizon, and I don't remember it ever dropping off the bill
when I was in either of those service areas, but Verizon has since pulled
out of Hawaii landline service, so maybe they've changed.

Oh well. :)

--
Screaming in Digital - http://scream.org/ - Queensryche fandom since 1991.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 10:48 am
From: Dave Garland

Dan Birchall wrote:
> rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com (Rod Speed) wrote:
>> And some dont charge extra for touch tone dialing anyway.
>
> Huh, that's interesting. Examples? Most of us deal with fairly
> small numbers of telcos.

I expect it varies by state. In Minnesota Qwest used to charge ($5,
IIRC) extra for touchtone. Then with PUC approval they made a rate
change that "would lower rates for the majority of customers". They
raised the base rate for everybody by $3 and eliminated the touchtone
charge.

I guess one could argue about whether that's "not charging extra" or
"charging everybody whether they want it or not".

Dave

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TOPIC: Question about a new website called Bailecn
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 2:26 am
From: ivoramos2000@yahoo.es

bailecn is a fraud, warning!. I've payed they a computer and I've lost
the money, they dont send me the item. I wait the autorities and
police can found they and I wait your colaboration.

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TOPIC: Microsoft Owes Vista Owners a Free Replacement that Works - Petition to
Microsoft
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 2:27 am
From: "Dave"

>> There is nothing wrong with Vista. Nothing. It actually loads faster
>> than
>> XP, on the same hardware. Microsoft should sue the ASS off of every
>> person
>> who CONTINUES to spread rumors that there are problems with Vista. Every
>> Microsoft GUI based OS since Windows 3.0 (remember that?) has had people
>> bad-mouthing it. There are better alternatives to Windows, such as linux
>> in
>> particular. But there is nothing "wrong" with Vista. -Dave
>>
> Except that it doesn't support either of my current printers. It also
> doesn't support my website software or graphics software. That, to me,
> means that there is something "wrong" with it, at least for my purposes.

And y'know what... that's fine. I was one of the earlier adopters of Vista.
Before I did the upgrade, I checked to make sure all my hardware had drivers
available for Vista 32-bit and 64-bit. Because I did the upgrade, i had to
dual-boot with XP. I installed XP fresh, on a newly formatted hard drive.
ACTIVATED XP, then ran the Vista install program from XP. I Installed Vista
to a different logical drive on the same physical hard drive where XP was
installed.

After I got all my drivers and programs installed in Vista, I was pleasantly
surprised to note that Vista loads a LOT faster than XP. Did I have to
upgrade to Vista? No. But I used to work as an IT manager, and I was
reading soooooooooo many complaints about Vista, I wanted to know if it
(Vista) was as bad as so many people were saying it was. I figured the only
way to really find out was to TRY it (duh). I bought a Vista retail upgrade
DVD from the local Staples. I actually expected Vista to suck, from all the
comments I'd read about it. I'm very happy with Vista, have had ZERO
problems with it. My wife loves Vista also, and she's NOT a computer person
at all (beyond playing on the Internet sometimes, that is). I've still got
XP on the same hard drive, but don't use XP anymore. I was actually
wondering if there was an easy way to nuke XP without screwing up my Vista
install. :) (I'm technically dual-booting, though I always just let the
timeout go to Vista)

> They will have to pry XP from my cold, dead PC.

Y'know, there's nothing really wrong with XP, either. It's overall a pretty
good operating system. I just get tired of hearing so many people state
with absolute certainty that XP is better than Vista, or that Vista is a
DOWNgrade from XP, or similar such nonsense. The most accurate comparison
between the two operating systems would be...

IF all your hardware has Vista drivers available, Vista will run a little
faster than XP on the same hardware. Vista is far from evil, as so many
people like to insinuate that it is. Vista is great. XP was great,
lso. -Dave

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TOPIC: how to get your money back on any product that fails
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 2:46 am
From: "john zeiss"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6oe47cF360atU1@mid.individual.net...
> john zeiss <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:
>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:6odtgaF355hlU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> john zeiss <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:
>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:6nbqsgFkjvojU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> Seerialmom <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Oct 28, 11:34 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I in fact got the use of a very decent Logitech keyboard and
>>>>>>> mouse for 5 years for the cost of that money for that time just
>>>>>>> by choosing a mouse that they didnt continue to produce, claiming
>>>>>>> under warranty just before the warranty expired and since they
>>>>>>> couldnt replace the mouse with another with the same button
>>>>>>> collection etc, they had to give me a full refund of the original
>>>>>>> purchase price instead. misterf...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> How to get your money back on most any product that fails just
>>>>>>>> after its flimsy, short-term, worthless warranty expires:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good examples of junk products that fail in less than 180 days:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Belkin (cigarette lighter plug-in) cell phone chargers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> SONY microcassette tape-recorders
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> any compact flourescent light bulb
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> digital cameras, electronics equipment, etc
>
>>>> a couple of years ago a well placed japanese engineer in japan, told me
>>>> that manufacturers in japan were studying how to get products to fail
>>>> early, especially after the guarantee expires.
>
>>> It isnt even possible.
>
>> Really.........?
>
> Yep, really.

deliberately indented filaments in incandescent light bulbs?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 11:05 am
From: "Rod Speed"

john zeiss <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6oe47cF360atU1@mid.individual.net...
>> john zeiss <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:
>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:6odtgaF355hlU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> john zeiss <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:6nbqsgFkjvojU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> Seerialmom <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Oct 28, 11:34 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I in fact got the use of a very decent Logitech keyboard and
>>>>>>>> mouse for 5 years for the cost of that money for that time just
>>>>>>>> by choosing a mouse that they didnt continue to produce,
>>>>>>>> claiming under warranty just before the warranty expired and
>>>>>>>> since they couldnt replace the mouse with another with the
>>>>>>>> same button collection etc, they had to give me a full refund
>>>>>>>> of the original purchase price instead. misterf...@yahoo.com
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> How to get your money back on most any product that fails just
>>>>>>>>> after its flimsy, short-term, worthless warranty expires:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good examples of junk products that fail in less than 180
>>>>>>>>> days:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Belkin (cigarette lighter plug-in) cell phone chargers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> SONY microcassette tape-recorders
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> any compact flourescent light bulb
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> digital cameras, electronics equipment, etc
>>
>>>>> a couple of years ago a well placed japanese engineer in japan,
>>>>> told me that manufacturers in japan were studying how to get
>>>>> products to fail early, especially after the guarantee expires.
>>
>>>> It isnt even possible.
>>
>>> Really.........?
>>
>> Yep, really.
>
> deliberately indented filaments in incandescent light bulbs?

Cant make it fail just outside the warranty, because the failure time depends on the number of on cycles, not the
calenda time.

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TOPIC: Do you want your tax money to pay a forklift operator $103,000.00 a
year
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 3:40 am
From: "Evelyn"

"Kitty" <cowgirla@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:jwtUk.63591$bx1.10298@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Ken Lay" <livin_la_vida_morte@skilling.the.whipping.boy> wrote in message
> news:livin_la_vida_morte-B711AD.22525117112008@news.supernews.com...
>> In article <doeUk.66558$De7.22524@bignews7.bellsouth.net>,
>> "Kitty" <cowgirla@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Because we live in a capitalistic society. This is the land of
>>> opportunity, you have choices, some choose to have mediocre jobs and
>>> live paycheck to paycheck, others start their own businesses, others
>>> live off taxpayers, still others acquire wealth.
>>
>> And some people choose to get cancer and have tumors consume their
>> body. Still others choose to marry and have children they can't
>> _possibly_ afford to send to the better private schools. Really. As
>> stupid and as sad as it may sound to you and me, people make choices
>> like these. Many, many of the people you see on the street every single
>> day choose financial ruination rather than fabulous riches and wealth!
>> Can you imagine! Here, in the land of opportunity! Really. It won't
>> stop until we make poverty a felonious offense. We must throw off
>> the shackles of civilized behavior and have our officials take these
>> disgusting poor people someplace where they cannot offend our suffering
>> eyes any longer. Maybe Cuba would want them.
>>
>>> That's why this is the USA and not Cuba. I applaud rich people, they
>>> have the freedom to make wealth, just like everyone else. But many
>>> take the easy route and live day to day, that's their choice.
>>>
>>> Kitty
>>
>> Yay, Kitty! For having the courage to stand up and decry the easy life
>> of poverty, you win the Classiest Bitch In Town award! Please, give us a
>> speech...
>> --
>> Everybody lies. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney just suck at it.
>
>
> ===============================
> You are just plain weird!

No you made a rather ridiculous post and he called you on it..... rather
successfully.
--
--
Best Regards,
Evelyn

(Our) enemies are not man. They are intolerance, fanaticism, dictatorship,
cupidity, hatred and discrimination, which lie within the heart of man." --
Thich Nhat Hanh

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 7:39 am
From: clams_casino

Fred Lorenzen wrote:

><hpope@lycos.com> wrote in message
>news:1d1f2d3f-4963-44bb-b224-21ddf8e5c40e@a29g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>:
>http://malaysia.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070924073107AAuGk8O
>:
>: The write your folks in Congress and oppose the "bailout" of
>: terminally-ill General Motors. The correct path is for GM to file for
>: protectiong under Chapter 11 and hopefully reorganize. Contact via
>: site listed below:
>:
>: http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
>:
>: Mitch
>
>A General Motors UAW employee average pay including base pay,
>cost-of-living adjustments, night-shift premiums, overtime, holiday and
>vacation pay is 39.68 an hour. Add health-care, pension, and other
>benefits average another $33.58 an hour. That brings the total average
>hourly compensation for a General Motors UAW employee to $73.26 an hour.
>
>Perhaps Mr. Michael E. Levine's Wall Street Journal recent article will
>shed some light on General Motor's current financial problems ->
>
>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122688631448632421.html
>
>Regards,
>Fred
>
>
>
>
Gee - That's only about $160k/yr - near poverty according to the
Republican $250K threshold for middle class.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 9:25 am
From: Daniel

On Nov 17, 6:05 pm, Wilma6...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Nov 17, 1:12 pm, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 17, 1:47 pm, "Fred Lorenzen" <fearless-freddie-
>
> > SpaMe...@mchsi.com> wrote:
> > > <hp...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:1d1f2d3f-4963-44bb-b224-21ddf8e5c40e@a29g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
> > > :http://malaysia.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070924073107AA...
> > > :
> > > : The write your folks in Congress and oppose the "bailout" of
> > > : terminally-ill General Motors. The correct path is for GM to file for
> > > : protectiong under Chapter 11 and hopefully reorganize. Contact via
> > > : site listed below:
> > > :
> > > :http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
> > > :
> > > : Mitch
>
> > > A General Motors UAW employee average pay including base pay,
> > > cost-of-living adjustments, night-shift premiums, overtime, holiday and
> > > vacation pay is 39.68 an hour. Add health-care, pension, and other
> > > benefits average another $33.58 an hour. That brings the total average
> > > hourly compensation for a General Motors UAW employee to $73.26 an hour.
>
> > > Perhaps Mr. Michael E. Levine's Wall Street Journal recent article will
> > > shed some light on General Motor's current financial problems ->
>
> > >http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122688631448632421.html
>
> > > Regards,
> > > Fred
>
> > $73 an hour to hold a tool?? And the automakers want MY tax dollars?
> > You UAW members can go fuck yourselves.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> $73 an hour is about 2,900 a week, or cloose to $150,000 a year.

Which is way more than someone who does nothing more than hold a tool
deserves. About $65 an hour too much.

> Good
> money but not obsene. Sports figures make more in one year than the GM
> worker will make in a lifetime, for playing a game for part of a year.

They also have a skill that an automaker doesn't have, which is in
demand.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 10:29 am
From: TruthTeller@nospam.net

You people need to do some homework. The so-called $73 ph, is not cash.
it includes benefits and retirement costs.

Its a very good income, but its not way above the range of many others in
other businesses.

The problems of the big three is the fault of managment that decided to
make car people didn't want to buy.

In <9e83a8c3-9088-4e80-aae5-b6c132d3cdc4@o4g2000pra.googlegroups.com>, on
11/18/2008
at 09:25 AM, Daniel <sabot120mm@hotmail.com> said:

>On Nov 17, 6:05 pm, Wilma6...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Nov 17, 1:12 pm, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 17, 1:47 pm, "Fred Lorenzen" <fearless-freddie-
>>
>> > SpaMe...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>> > > <hp...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>>
>> > >news:1d1f2d3f-4963-44bb-b224-21ddf8e5c40e@a29g2000pra.googlegroups.com....
>> > > :http://malaysia.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070924073107AA...
>> > > :
>> > > : The write your folks in Congress and oppose the "bailout" of
>> > > : terminally-ill General Motors. The correct path is for GM to file for
>> > > : protectiong under Chapter 11 and hopefully reorganize. Contact via
>> > > : site listed below:
>> > > :
>> > > :http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
>> > > :
>> > > : Mitch
>>
>> > > A General Motors UAW employee average pay including base pay,
>> > > cost-of-living adjustments, night-shift premiums, overtime, holiday and
>> > > vacation pay is 39.68 an hour. Add health-care, pension, and other
>> > > benefits average another $33.58 an hour. That brings the total average
>> > > hourly compensation for a General Motors UAW employee to $73.26 an hour.
>>
>> > > Perhaps Mr. Michael E. Levine's Wall Street Journal recent article will
>> > > shed some light on General Motor's current financial problems ->
>>
>> > >http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122688631448632421.html
>>
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Fred
>>
>> > $73 an hour to hold a tool?? And the automakers want MY tax dollars?
>> > You UAW members can go fuck yourselves.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> $73 an hour is about 2,900 a week, or cloose to $150,000 a year.

>Which is way more than someone who does nothing more than hold a tool
>deserves. About $65 an hour too much.

>> Good
>> money but not obsene. Sports figures make more in one year than the GM
>> worker will make in a lifetime, for playing a game for part of a year.

>They also have a skill that an automaker doesn't have, which is in
>demand.

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TOPIC: Opinions on dentist conduct
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 6:04 am
From: "Stormin Mormon"

I wasn't all that impressed with one of my former oral surgeon. He pulled a
tooth, dropped the tooth on the insturment tray, and immediately was out the
door of the treatment room. Less than one second after the tooth root
cleared my mouth, he was gone. Didn't see him for gosh knows how long after
that. And I did have a couple questions.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

<muzician21@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 24, 10:06 pm, Steven Fawks <tuthjoc...@myturbonet.com> wrote:
> > When I'm paying what works out to about $500 - $750/hr up-front,
> > before the work is even completed - and with no expressed warranty on
> > how long the work is supposed to be good for - I don't have much
> > sympathy about them feeling I'm "wasting their time" with a couple of
> > questions.
>
> Talented dentists are often in high demand. They also have limits on
> how much they can deliver in any given day or week. That may be hard
> for a particular patient to understand, but I have to deliver the
> high quality care to every patient that comes in the office every day.
>
> We are human.

I'm human too, and that means I don't care for the bum's rush from
someone I'm paying a lot of money.

> One patient cannot intrude on my ability to fulfill my commitment to
> the others.

I'm also one of the "others". Allowing time for inquiries on the part
of the patient are part of "fulfilling one's committment" for "high
quality care".

How many patients he crams his schedule with is discretionary. It
sounds like what you really mean is you don't want a patient to impede
your ability to get the cattle through the gate a$ quickly a$ po$
$ible. Screw their silly-ass questions.

> BTW, you can always go back to the HMO dudes/dudettes.

WTF kind of attitude is that? I'm paying what he's asking, it's not a
charity situation. I can see what mentality you're possessed of. You
don't give a fuck either.

Gee, hope you don't get sued or anything.

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TOPIC: Obama gets it! Oil is FINITE, regardless of current price.
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 7:43 am
From: Michael Coburn

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:32:35 -0500, tin cup wrote:

> Enough Already wrote:
>> It was inspiring to hear President-elect Obama say this during a 60
>> Minutes interview:
>>
>> [quote]
>>
>> (CBS) Kroft: When the price of oil was at $147 a barrel, there were a
>> lot of spirited and profitable discussions that were held on energy
>> independence. Now you've got the price of oil under $60.
>>
>> Mr. Obama: Right.
>>
> snipped in a fit of rage
>
> Total manipulation by the Oil Swindlers. Tank our economy with higher
> taxes and or price of fuel, so the meddlers can try to get their mass
> transport for people living 50 miles from work etc.
> A reliable and economical fuel supply was one of the key ingredients of
> our national wealth.
> Now that that has been exported by the globalist creeps I guess it don't
> matter if we spend half our income to get to work.

You seem to be very confused. We may or may not export some fuel;
especially refined stuff. But we IMPORT many millions of barrels a day
and it has nothing to do with nothing other than we do not have enough
oil to run our economy as we have been doing.

The manipulation of oil prices tanked the entire world economy and not
just ours. But the manipulation could not have occurred without the
reality of peak oil behind it. The wall was reached at $100 a barrel.
At $140 it was breached and the implosion sallied forth. The recovery
will take a while and it will not be a return to the good old days.

We in the USA must find alternatives or we will not remain as the land of
plenty that we have been for the last 100 years. I am sorry that you
feel mass transit is some sort of Liberal incursion on your Danial Boone
existence.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 8:19 am
From: Seerialmom

On Nov 17, 5:10 pm, "Bay Area Holdout" <Linea...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>Most Republicans in recent memory would use this TEMPORARY recession-
>
> based oil price drop to claim there's "plenty of oil" and vindicate
> gratuitous V-8 engines in ego trucks.
>
> Why is it Republicans equal big SUV's??
> Here in Liberal Land (aka S.F Bay Area) as I drive around in my
> "conservative" 4 cyl Toyota Truck with cruise control set to 65 mph, I am
> passed by endless SUV's, Mercedes, Range Rovers, etc going 10mph or more
> over the limit(and wasting even more fuel) and usually with one passenger
> and many of these have their Obama 08 stickers, like they haven't figured
> out the election is over yet!
>
> So contrary to your opinion, political party doesn't equal fuel wasters,
> it's more of a mindset.

After Obama was elected I have a feeling many applied the stickers
"post election" as a form of in your face "neener neener neener". No,
SUV's (pick your flavor) are the preferred mode of transportation for
families or people paranoid about being demolished by an 18 wheeler.
And for some people it's a "status" symbol, especially if they buy the
Yukon Denali or Escalade. I agree it's not a republican thing to
drive big cars. Even one of my tree hugging extreme left friends
drives a Toyota SUV (forget the version) because they go hiking,
camping and skiing a lot.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 10:02 am
From: Jeff

Seerialmom wrote:
> On Nov 17, 5:10 pm, "Bay Area Holdout" <Linea...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Most Republicans in recent memory would use this TEMPORARY recession-
>> based oil price drop to claim there's "plenty of oil" and vindicate
>> gratuitous V-8 engines in ego trucks.
>>
>> Why is it Republicans equal big SUV's??
>> Here in Liberal Land (aka S.F Bay Area) as I drive around in my
>> "conservative" 4 cyl Toyota Truck with cruise control set to 65 mph, I am
>> passed by endless SUV's, Mercedes, Range Rovers, etc going 10mph or more
>> over the limit(and wasting even more fuel) and usually with one passenger
>> and many of these have their Obama 08 stickers, like they haven't figured
>> out the election is over yet!
>>
>> So contrary to your opinion, political party doesn't equal fuel wasters,
>> it's more of a mindset.
>
> After Obama was elected I have a feeling many applied the stickers
> "post election" as a form of in your face "neener neener neener". No,
> SUV's (pick your flavor) are the preferred mode of transportation for
> families or people paranoid about being demolished by an 18 wheeler.
> And for some people it's a "status" symbol, especially if they buy the
> Yukon Denali or Escalade.

Where I live (urban area) I see a lot of those. I also saw a lot of
"W" stickers on them and it wasn't until last year that those stickers
started to come off. That would have been 3 years after the last time
Bush ran.

I can't say that I've ever seen an Obama sticker on a Hummer or
Denali or Escalade, I have seen them on some of the other SUVs.
Irregardless, McCain never caught on with the high consumption set like
George W Bush. He truly was the hero of conspicuous waste.

Jeff

I agree it's not a republican thing to
> drive big cars. Even one of my tree hugging extreme left friends
> drives a Toyota SUV (forget the version) because they go hiking,
> camping and skiing a lot.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 10:22 am
From: Jeff

Michael Coburn wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:32:35 -0500, tin cup wrote:
>
>> Enough Already wrote:
>>> It was inspiring to hear President-elect Obama say this during a 60
>>> Minutes interview:
>>>
>>> [quote]
>>>
>>> (CBS) Kroft: When the price of oil was at $147 a barrel, there were a
>>> lot of spirited and profitable discussions that were held on energy
>>> independence. Now you've got the price of oil under $60.
>>>
>>> Mr. Obama: Right.
>>>
>> snipped in a fit of rage
>>
>> Total manipulation by the Oil Swindlers. Tank our economy with higher
>> taxes and or price of fuel, so the meddlers can try to get their mass
>> transport for people living 50 miles from work etc.
>> A reliable and economical fuel supply was one of the key ingredients of
>> our national wealth.
>> Now that that has been exported by the globalist creeps I guess it don't
>> matter if we spend half our income to get to work.
>
> You seem to be very confused. We may or may not export some fuel;
> especially refined stuff. But we IMPORT many millions of barrels a day
> and it has nothing to do with nothing other than we do not have enough
> oil to run our economy as we have been doing.
>
> The manipulation of oil prices tanked the entire world economy and not
> just ours.

I'm not so sure that high oil prices tanked the world economy,
although we can see that now that the speculators are on the sidelines
what happened to the price.

What this is though is the greatest leverage we will have to deal
with the Iranians. They are not so high and mighty without the high
price of oil that they had come to depend on:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-oil-iran20-2008oct20,0,4744003.story

Iran has reason to worry. Not only is its budget heavily dependent on
revenue from oil exports, but international sanctions have exacerbated
the economy's weaknesses. And to top it off, the crisis comes as Iran is
trying to reclaim its status as a regional superpower, which it lost 30
years ago after the Islamic Revolution and the start of the war with Iraq.

Oil is the centerpiece of that ambition.

Oil revenue funds Iran's nuclear technology program, a point of great
friction with the West. It also finances a state-heavy economy that
keeps the social peace by providing jobs, subsidies and entitlements.

"Less oil revenue means less capital reserves, more shutting down of
factories, less importation of consumer goods, less welfare, more
joblessness, more discontent among people," said Reza Kaviani, an
economist in Tehran.

The other point I'd like to make about oil is why do we feel the
necessity of consuming all our resources? Some day in the not too
distant future we'll need that oil for making petrochemicals and it will
all be in foreign lands. I suppose that not many realize that the US
for many years was a world supplier of oil. Much of the allied effort in
WWII ran on our oil and the Japanese attacked after we decided not to
sell them oil. Once your commodity is spent, you not only lose your
leverage but someone else has the leverage.

Jeff

But the manipulation could not have occurred without the
> reality of peak oil behind it. The wall was reached at $100 a barrel.
> At $140 it was breached and the implosion sallied forth. The recovery
> will take a while and it will not be a return to the good old days.
>
> We in the USA must find alternatives or we will not remain as the land of
> plenty that we have been for the last 100 years. I am sorry that you
> feel mass transit is some sort of Liberal incursion on your Danial Boone
> existence.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 11:08 am
From: "zzbunker@netscape.net"

On Nov 17, 3:03 pm, "None4You" <None4...@nospam.cya> wrote:
> <zzbun...@netscape.net> wrote in message
>
> news:ed50a8e7-d3e9-4047-9b43-9505d96914b0@s9g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 17, 11:40 am, Enough Already <enough_alre...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
> > It was inspiring to hear President-electObamasay this during a 60
> > Minutes interview:
>
> Well, many of us knew. that long ago.
> But it was still us that desgned and built Electronic Fuel
> Injection, Disk Brakes,
> Fiber optics, Cyber Space, Post AT&T Optics, Post Ford Batteries,
> Post GM Robotics,
> C++, Holograms, lasers, masers, Optical Computers, RISC Computers,
> Elibraries,
> On-Line-Banking, All-In-One Printers, On-Line-Publishing, Adpative
> Pv Cells, Thermocouples,
> and Piezo, HDTV, CD, DVD, HTML, USB, GPS, Cell Phones, Cruise
> Missiles, laser-guided bombs,
> AEGIS, Phalanx, Drones, AAVs, AUVs, Neo Solar Energy, Neo Wind
> Energy,
> and Biodiesel rather than wanks llikeObama,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > [quote]
>
> > (CBS) Kroft: When the price of oil was at $147 a barrel, there were a
> > lot of spirited and profitable discussions that were held on energy
> > independence. Now you've got the price of oil under $60.
>
> > Mr.Obama: Right.
>
> > Kroft: Does doing something about energy is it less important now
> > than…
>
> > Mr.Obama: It's more important. It may be a little harder politically,
> > but it's more important.
>
> > Kroft: Why?
>
> > Mr.Obama: Well, because this has been our pattern. We go from shock
> > to trance. You know, oil prices go up, gas prices at the pump go up,
> > everybody goes into a flurry of activity. And then the prices go back
> > down and suddenly we act like it's not important, and we start, you
> > know filling up our SUVs again.
>
> > And, as a consequence, we never make any progress. It's part of the
> > addiction, all right. That has to be broken. Now is the time to break
> > it.
>
> > [end quote]
>
> > Most Republicans in recent memory would use this TEMPORARY recession-
> > based oil price drop to claim there's "plenty of oil" and vindicate
> > gratuitous V-8 engines in ego trucks. Our remaining oil (which will
> > rise in price sooner or later, since it's finite), should be saved for
> > workers who truly need big horsepower & torque. There will come a day
> > when "I need 300HP to tow my ego-boat" or cart around 5 fat kids won't
> > be a valid excuse. Living too large is the problem in the first place.
> > Restraint and frugality must replace mindless gluttony.
>
> > Hopefully,Obamawill keep reminding the average greediot about the
> > inherent scarcity of a resource we've been consuming at the rate of
> > 7.6 billion barrels a year. Coastal drilling and ANWR combined might
> > yield 30 billion barrels in best-case scenarios, which is about 4
> > years worth for the U.S. After that, the extremely costly, land-
> > wrecking spectre of shale is America's biggest cache. Canadian tar
> > sands will never fill enough of the void, and that process is already
> > ruining large swaths of their wilderness.
>
> > A temporary slowing of consumption doesn't render Peak Oil null, but
> > many people are dumb enough to believe that. Oil from all sources is
> > FINITE and we need a President who'll stay on that point instead of
> > letting the ignorant follow price whims. Nobody was born with the
> > right to waste energy just because they can "afford the gas" this
> > week. It gets physically scarcer each second no matter what price is
> > decided on.
>
> > E.A.
>
> >http://enough_already.tripod.com/
>
> > Government efficiency, or lack thereof, mirrors the habits of the
> > citizenry.
>
> I don't see any Americans wasting energy . I see a lot of business and the
> government wasting oil. And you confuse necessary with ego boosting.

Well, that's mostly because, like most of us in engineering, just
keep telling the cranks in economics:

You confuse oil with with energy,
You confuse math with science,
You confuse science with lasers,
You confuse cars with transportation,
You confuse buisness with IBM.

You
> cant tow a boat with a car of any kind. You cant catch fish without the
> boat. And cant haul a wife and 5 kids around on a Vespa.
> Oh wait, Yes you can . Here's how it works.http://www.clevelandscooters.com/index.html Scroll to the bottom.
>
> That how you want to live . Send us back to the caveman era.
>
> You cant do construction in a Ford Focus.
>
> If you use less oil doing nothing. With no family and no fat kids. Or wife.
> Great. Good for you. Kinda makes you a loser though.
>
> The world doesn't decide what we need . Verses what we want. We buy things
> to feed our ego to justify working for a living. The government created
> this mess and decided we should buy everything from overseas and support the
> world. The US is a more efficient user of oil then China or India. We are
> 5% of the population using 25% of the world oil . Producing 26% of the
> worlds needs. It has nothing to do with pickup trucks with V8s. Or how much
> the whole country uses.
> How about building some factories here and stop using all the oil to ship
> rubber dog shit from China . How about shipping our food down the road to
> the stores . Within a few hundred miles or less. Instead of shipping it from
> China in gas hog cargo ships. Then driving it half way across the country
> anyways. How about the US balance the budget , and quit devaluing the
> dollar. And supporting the world. Before we end up eating grass.
>
> Rule one of the country . Spend more at home building factories. Instead of
> abroad, buying rubber dog shit. Or you go bankrupt . And eat grass. Worry
> about oil later. There will be plenty when we cant buy any.
>
> Better yet mind your own business. Get in your piece of crap hybrid and go
> spend 5 bucks on a Starbucks coffee. Why I do some real work and make a big
> fat roll with my big fat V8 truck. Then feed my ego doing your wife in your
> bed.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 11:16 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
> Michael Coburn wrote:
>> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:32:35 -0500, tin cup wrote:
>>
>>> Enough Already wrote:
>>>> It was inspiring to hear President-elect Obama say this during a 60
>>>> Minutes interview:
>>>>
>>>> [quote]
>>>>
>>>> (CBS) Kroft: When the price of oil was at $147 a barrel, there
>>>> were a lot of spirited and profitable discussions that were held
>>>> on energy independence. Now you've got the price of oil under $60.
>>>>
>>>> Mr. Obama: Right.
>>>>
>>> snipped in a fit of rage
>>>
>>> Total manipulation by the Oil Swindlers. Tank our economy with
>>> higher taxes and or price of fuel, so the meddlers can try to get
>>> their mass transport for people living 50 miles from work etc.
>>> A reliable and economical fuel supply was one of the key
>>> ingredients of our national wealth.
>>> Now that that has been exported by the globalist creeps I guess it
>>> don't matter if we spend half our income to get to work.
>>
>> You seem to be very confused. We may or may not export some fuel;
>> especially refined stuff. But we IMPORT many millions of barrels a
>> day and it has nothing to do with nothing other than we do not have
>> enough oil to run our economy as we have been doing.
>>
>> The manipulation of oil prices tanked the entire world economy and
>> not just ours.

> I'm not so sure that high oil prices tanked the world economy,

Corse it didnt.

> although we can see that now that the speculators are on the sidelines what happened to the price.

> What this is though is the greatest leverage we will have to deal with the Iranians. They are not so high and mighty
> without the high price of oil that they had come to depend on:

They can still develop nukes and there is fuck all anyone can do about that.

> http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-oil-iran20-2008oct20,0,4744003.story

> Iran has reason to worry.

Nope. The most the might happen is that the low price of oil delays when they have nukes.

> Not only is its budget heavily dependent on revenue from oil exports, but international sanctions have exacerbated the
> economy's weaknesses.

Not by anything like as much as other economys have tanked.

> And to top it off, the crisis comes as Iran is trying to reclaim its status as a regional superpower, which it lost 30
> years ago after the Islamic Revolution and the start of the war with Iraq.

It was never a regional superpower. There never were any superpowers in that region in modern times.

> Oil is the centerpiece of that ambition.

Nope.

> Oil revenue funds Iran's nuclear technology program, a point of great
> friction with the West. It also finances a state-heavy economy that
> keeps the social peace by providing jobs, subsidies and entitlements.

And even with the drop in the price of oil, they are STILL in a
hell of a lot better economic situation than places like Egypt etc.

> "Less oil revenue means less capital reserves, more shutting down of factories, less importation of consumer goods,
> less welfare, more joblessness, more discontent among people," said Reza Kaviani, an economist in Tehran.

Duh. But that is happening even with economys that dont export oil.

> The other point I'd like to make about oil is why do we feel the necessity of consuming all our resources?

We dont.

> Some day in the not too distant future we'll need that oil for making petrochemicals and it will all be in foreign
> lands.

Wrong, most obviously with shale oil and oil sands.

> I suppose that not many realize that the US for many years was a world supplier of oil.

Sure, but thats the result of the abysmal US education system.

> Much of the allied effort in WWII ran on our oil and the Japanese attacked after we decided not to sell them oil.

Yes.

> Once your commodity is spent, you not only lose your leverage but someone else has the leverage.

Nope, essentially because that particular commodity wont be spent for the US.

Even when the shale oil and oil sands are gone, coal is still a perfectly
viable starting material for the petrochemical industry. Its just more
sensible to use crude oil while its available and reasonably priced.

> But the manipulation could not have occurred without the
>> reality of peak oil behind it. The wall was reached at $100 a
>> barrel. At $140 it was breached and the implosion sallied forth. The recovery will take a while and it will not be a
>> return to the
>> good old days. We in the USA must find alternatives or we will not remain as the
>> land of plenty that we have been for the last 100 years. I am sorry
>> that you feel mass transit is some sort of Liberal incursion on your
>> Danial Boone existence.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 8:09 am
From: James

On Nov 17, 10:19 pm, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 16, 3:10 pm, ash...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I am surprised that so many people in U.S. has food allergy, such as -
> > can't eat mushroom? Can't eat seafood? And the like. In my country, I
> > do not know any of person that has food allergy. I guess the people
> > who can't eat properly on regular food just have their gene pool wiped
> > out. In the end during the evolution, eventually everyone can eat
> > virtually everything.
>
> > Here in U.S., artificially maintained medical care support some
> > seriously-defect people, and the genes were passed on to the next
> > generations, such as food allergy, Down syndrome, Diabetes, pollen
> > allergy, and many many more. Only oddly happening here.
>
> > In addition to the financial credit bubbles, there're many other
> > bubbles going on in U.S. that most people are not aware of. One of
> > them is high cost maintained "Longevity" bubble, the lifestyle not
> > supported by evolution. The artificially supported bad gene pool. It
> > will end.
>
> > Nothing against my U.S. friends. Just a comment above.
>
> Since you didn't say "where" your country is I'll presume it's not in
> North America. Did you ever consider that perhaps you never "saw"
> someone with a food allergy because they died from the allergy early
> in life? :) Just a thought.- Hide quoted text -

You find that funny? People dying that is?

I watched an interesting report on 60 minutes a few months back, about
something called "plumpynut" a relatively inexpensive mix of peanut
butter, milk powder, vitamins and other simple ingredients that is
being given to children with sever malnutrition in some third world
countries. The interviewer asked about peanut allegries, since they
are so prevalent in North America. The reply from the scientist who
created the formula and has watched it in use was to the effect that
they don't see any issues with the 10s of thousands of kids who get
this mix, even though some of them are barely weaned.

And come to think of it, growing up in the sixties, I didn't see kids
falling over in my classrooms from peanut allergies either. And yet as
my kids go to school, we do see allergic reactions to peanuts, despite
many precautions.

While I think the OP is wildly speculating as to why, and I wouldn't
necessarily agree with him, I do think we see more allergies in the
developed world than exist in the third world. I have seen scientific
studies showing that hygene is an issue - if we don't get exposed to
naturally occuring germs when young, we become hypersensitive. Our
diet could also be an issue.

James

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 8:22 am
From: Al Bundy

On Nov 18, 11:09 am, James <jl...@idirect.com> wrote:
> On Nov 17, 10:19 pm, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 16, 3:10 pm, ash...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > I am surprised that so many people in U.S. has food allergy, such as -
> > > can't eat mushroom? Can't eat seafood? And the like. In my country, I
> > > do not know any of person that has food allergy. I guess the people
> > > who can't eat properly on regular food just have their gene pool wiped
> > > out. In the end during the evolution, eventually everyone can eat
> > > virtually everything.
>
> > > Here in U.S., artificially maintained medical care support some
> > > seriously-defect people, and the genes were passed on to the next
> > > generations, such as food allergy, Down syndrome, Diabetes, pollen
> > > allergy, and many many more. Only oddly happening here.
>
> > > In addition to the financial credit bubbles, there're many other
> > > bubbles going on in U.S. that most people are not aware of. One of
> > > them is high cost maintained "Longevity" bubble, the lifestyle not
> > > supported by evolution. The artificially supported bad gene pool. It
> > > will end.
>
> > > Nothing against my U.S. friends. Just a comment above.
>
> > Since you didn't say "where" your country is I'll presume it's not in
> > North America. Did you ever consider that perhaps you never "saw"
> > someone with a food allergy because they died from the allergy early
> > in life? :) Just a thought.- Hide quoted text -
>
> You find that funny? People dying that is?
>
> I watched an interesting report on 60 minutes a few months back, about
> something called "plumpynut" a relatively inexpensive mix of peanut
> butter, milk powder, vitamins and other simple ingredients that is
> being given to children with sever malnutrition in some third world
> countries. The interviewer asked about peanut allegries, since they
> are so prevalent in North America. The reply from the scientist who
> created the formula and has watched it in use was to the effect that
> they don't see any issues with the 10s of thousands of kids who get
> this mix, even though some of them are barely weaned.
>
> And come to think of it, growing up in the sixties, I didn't see kids
> falling over in my classrooms from peanut allergies either. And yet as
> my kids go to school, we do see allergic reactions to peanuts, despite
> many precautions.
>
> While I think the OP is wildly speculating as to why, and I wouldn't
> necessarily agree with him, I do think we see more allergies in the
> developed world than exist in the third world. I have seen scientific
> studies showing that hygene is an issue - if we don't get exposed to
> naturally occuring germs when young, we become hypersensitive. Our
> diet could also be an issue.
>
> James

Meanwhile, the OP may have diabetes, cancer or any number of things he
is not revealing because he hopes to feel superior in some tiny way.
He casts a long shadow, but only at the end of the day.

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On May, 22, 2008

* Delta Graphics IntraDay Forex 1.0 build 3.39
* Elwave 9.0
* Ensign Multifeed (May 2008)
* Insider 3000 Workstation RT v.3.2.0
* MarketWarrior v.4.0.178 All Module
* Morningstar EnCorr Portfolio Strategist 9.4 build 535
* NeuroShell 5.5 and add-ons
* Raptor II for TS 8.x
* Rina Performance Suite 7
* TraderXL Pro Package 6.1.15
* TTM for eSignal

On May, 11, 2008

* NexGen T-3 ProTrader for TS (April 2008)

On May, 09, 2008

* VantagePoint 7.1.5 (04.24.2008 - 22 Categories - 700 modules)
* MTPredictor build 45 for TS, eSignal, Ninja Trader
* Refined Elliott Trader (RET) 1.9.15
* Ramp 5.5.2
* Roy Kelly Floor Trader Tools and Trendpro 8.3
* TradeStation 8.3 build 1631
* Stock Trading Success 12-DVD
* TTM 3-Day Day Trading Seminar Online CD by John Carter and
Hubert Senters

On March, 03, 2008

* VantagePoint 7.1.5 (February 29, 2008)
* BioComp Profit 7.0 Elite
* BioComp Dakota RT 1.3
* OpenQuant 2.0.1
* QuantDeveloper 2.24
* SmartQuant DataCenter
* Refined Elliott Trader 1.9.10 + PowerPack
* TTM Indicators (tradethemarkets.com)
* TTM Directional Day Filter System for TS (tradethemarkets.com)

On February, 15, 2008

* Market Matrix Course by Steve Copan (http://
www.themarketmatrix.co.uk/) - 3 CDs (video) - $400
* Optionetics course - 6 DVDs (video) + 15 CDs (audio) (http://
www.optionetics.com) - $500
* Wolfe Wave Course by Bill Wolfe (http://www.wolfewave.com/) -
$300

On February, 07, 2008

* Advanced Get Studies for eSignal 10- open code
* BioComp Profit 7.0
* Ocean Plus (open source code) !!!
* Precision Trader Pro v4.0 build 540
* Jan Arps - HawkEye Toolkit for TS (open source code)
* OmniTrader 2008 Release 2 Update
* VantagePoint 7.1.5 (February 05, 2008 - 22 Categories - 700
modules)

On February, 01, 2008

* Books and Courses - update
* TradeStation 8.x and all Systems - Full collection - update

On January, 30, 2008

* Tradestation 8.3 Build 1554
* MultiChart 3.0 Beta
* Omnitrader 2008 new agg-on !!!
* VisualTrader 3.0 EOD & RT !!!
* Analytic Stock Manager 5.0
* Cycle Trends Professional 4.08
* Forecast Pro 4.01
* Guppy Trader Essentials Charting 3.0

On January, 20, 2008

* Alan Farley - 7 Bells for MS
* Compuvision TradeSim 4.2.2 for MS
* DataBull 4.6.3
* DataSharks EOD Downloader 2.36
* Full Proof Forex Trading system
* Gan Nuova Cartella for MS
* Herons Cruzader 1&2 for MS
* HotTrader Gann Swing Chart Programm
* HyperTools for Xpo Premium Edition 2.0
* Institutional Forex System
* KwikPOP 6.1 for TS8 + Manual (kwikpop.com) !!!
* MagicDots for TS
* Nexus Date Plugin for MS
* OptionEdge 2.1 for Excel
* RickyD's Forex Strategy for MT4 + Manual (StrategybuilderFX.com)
* Sniper Forex System
* Subtle Trap of Forex Trading - Suit of Armour Trade Planner for
Excel
* Superior Trend Turn Identifier for TS 8.x
* Tai-Pan 5.0 RT
* Trend Strength Identifier for TS 8.x (proindicators.com)
* TrendRider Trading System for MS (stoxtrend.com)
* VisualTrader 3 Strategies for OmniTrader

On January, 15, 2008

* Amcan for TS + Manual
* Candlestick Forecaster 2.1.5 build 3
* Fulcrum Modules and Trading Seminar for OmniTrader
* Fund Manager Advisor 8.7
* Hawkeye indicators for Esignal
* Jan Arps Crown Jewels for TS
* KwikPop for Multicharts
* Market Delta for E-Signal 8.9.5
* MTPredictor 5.0 b90 EOD
* NeuroSolutions 5.06
* Turtle Trader add-on for OmniTrader
* Viking 4.03 EOD (eng) + Manual
* Visual Trader 4.42
* Wealth-Lab Pro 5.0

On January, 01, 2008

* 5 EMAS Trading systems with Indicators
* CharTTool 2.07
* Dynamic Trader 5.0.84.95 RT with Matrix Cycles !!!
* Forex Expert Advisor - Pips Collector v 2.0 & Auto Trader
* Forex Killer for MT + Manual
* Genetic Pattern Finder Pro 1.991
* Murray Math Afl for Amibroker
* OmniTrader 2008 Pro !!!
* Quotetracker 3.8.7c RT
* Roy Kelly Floor Trader 8.2 for E-Signal+Book
* StockPiler 5.3
* VantagePoint 7.0.14 (December, 2007 - 19 Categories) !!!
* VantagePoint 7.1.5 (December, 2007 - 22 Categories - 660
modules) !!!
* Visual Chart 4.4
* Wave Tracker Pro 6.36 for E-Signal
* Winning Edge for TS
* WSS 9.4.3 FV Forex Analyzer + Manual

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* Microsoft Owes Vista Owners a Free Replacement that Works - Petition to
Microsoft - 3 messages, 3 authors
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* Do you want your tax money to pay a forklift operator $103,000.00 a year - 2
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* Tennis on Helipad - 1 messages, 1 author
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 8:35 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article
<bfeaf1eb-9831-4194-96d9-676d4dfdaab2@q26g2000prq.googlegroups.com>,
mattstrive <MattStrive@gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.petitiononline.com/VistaNG/petition.html

No need. Just don't buy Vista. Linux and Mac OS X are great alternatives
to Windows Vista.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 8:52 pm
From: "Dave"

"mattstrive" <MattStrive@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:bfeaf1eb-9831-4194-96d9-676d4dfdaab2@q26g2000prq.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.petitiononline.com/VistaNG/petition.html

Well whaddayaknow? The idiot blogger signed his own petition, twice!

There is nothing wrong with Vista. Nothing. It actually loads faster than
XP, on the same hardware. Microsoft should sue the ASS off of every person
who CONTINUES to spread rumors that there are problems with Vista. Every
Microsoft GUI based OS since Windows 3.0 (remember that?) has had people
bad-mouthing it. There are better alternatives to Windows, such as linux in
particular. But there is nothing "wrong" with Vista. -Dave

"
We endorse the Microsoft Owes Vista Owners a Free Replacement that Works -
Petition to Microsoft.

Read the Microsoft Owes Vista Owners a Free Replacement that Works -
Petition

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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 9:30 pm
From: "h"

"Dave" <noway1@noway2.not> wrote in message
news:gfthn9$fle$1@news.motzarella.org...
>
> "mattstrive" <MattStrive@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:bfeaf1eb-9831-4194-96d9-676d4dfdaab2@q26g2000prq.googlegroups.com...
>> http://www.petitiononline.com/VistaNG/petition.html
>
> Well whaddayaknow? The idiot blogger signed his own petition, twice!
>
>
> There is nothing wrong with Vista. Nothing. It actually loads faster
> than
> XP, on the same hardware. Microsoft should sue the ASS off of every
> person
> who CONTINUES to spread rumors that there are problems with Vista. Every
> Microsoft GUI based OS since Windows 3.0 (remember that?) has had people
> bad-mouthing it. There are better alternatives to Windows, such as linux
> in
> particular. But there is nothing "wrong" with Vista. -Dave
>
Except that it doesn't support either of my current printers. It also
doesn't support my website software or graphics software. That, to me, means
that there is something "wrong" with it, at least for my purposes. They will
have to pry XP from my cold, dead PC.

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 8:52 pm
From: Ken Lay

In article <doeUk.66558$De7.22524@bignews7.bellsouth.net>,
"Kitty" <cowgirla@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Because we live in a capitalistic society. This is the land of
> opportunity, you have choices, some choose to have mediocre jobs and
> live paycheck to paycheck, others start their own businesses, others
> live off taxpayers, still others acquire wealth.

And some people choose to get cancer and have tumors consume their
body. Still others choose to marry and have children they can't
_possibly_ afford to send to the better private schools. Really. As
stupid and as sad as it may sound to you and me, people make choices
like these. Many, many of the people you see on the street every single
day choose financial ruination rather than fabulous riches and wealth!
Can you imagine! Here, in the land of opportunity! Really. It won't
stop until we make poverty a felonious offense. We must throw off
the shackles of civilized behavior and have our officials take these
disgusting poor people someplace where they cannot offend our suffering
eyes any longer. Maybe Cuba would want them.

> That's why this is the USA and not Cuba. I applaud rich people, they
> have the freedom to make wealth, just like everyone else. But many
> take the easy route and live day to day, that's their choice.
>
> Kitty

Yay, Kitty! For having the courage to stand up and decry the easy life
of poverty, you win the Classiest Bitch In Town award! Please, give us a
speech...
--
Everybody lies. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney just suck at it.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 10:51 pm
From: "Kitty"

"Ken Lay" <livin_la_vida_morte@skilling.the.whipping.boy> wrote in message
news:livin_la_vida_morte-B711AD.22525117112008@news.supernews.com...
> In article <doeUk.66558$De7.22524@bignews7.bellsouth.net>,
> "Kitty" <cowgirla@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> Because we live in a capitalistic society. This is the land of
>> opportunity, you have choices, some choose to have mediocre jobs and
>> live paycheck to paycheck, others start their own businesses, others
>> live off taxpayers, still others acquire wealth.
>
> And some people choose to get cancer and have tumors consume their
> body. Still others choose to marry and have children they can't
> _possibly_ afford to send to the better private schools. Really. As
> stupid and as sad as it may sound to you and me, people make choices
> like these. Many, many of the people you see on the street every single
> day choose financial ruination rather than fabulous riches and wealth!
> Can you imagine! Here, in the land of opportunity! Really. It won't
> stop until we make poverty a felonious offense. We must throw off
> the shackles of civilized behavior and have our officials take these
> disgusting poor people someplace where they cannot offend our suffering
> eyes any longer. Maybe Cuba would want them.
>
>> That's why this is the USA and not Cuba. I applaud rich people, they
>> have the freedom to make wealth, just like everyone else. But many
>> take the easy route and live day to day, that's their choice.
>>
>> Kitty
>
> Yay, Kitty! For having the courage to stand up and decry the easy life
> of poverty, you win the Classiest Bitch In Town award! Please, give us a
> speech...
> --
> Everybody lies. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney just suck at it.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 11:26 pm
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 11:27 pm
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