Frugal Living: Oct 24, 2007

Wednesday, October 24, 2007

25 new messages in 14 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Bush To Let Illegal Aliens Get $40 Digital TV Coupons
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f941e4a655a77d3f?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 8:50 am
From: SFTV_troy

David Johnston wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 04:21:39 -0700, SFTV_troy <SFTV_troy@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >David Johnston wrote:
> >> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 04:43:43 -0700, SFTV_troy <SFTV_troy@yahoo.com>
> >> >
> >> >Why is it necessary for them to enter illegally? Why can't they
> >> >follow the process of filling-out an application, and getting a Visa?
> >> >This is what my Chinese friend did. This is what my other Japanese
> >> >friend did. I'm sure the Mexicans can do the same... just ask the
> >> >U.S. embassy for the application. Be legal, not illegal.
> >>
> >> There's no way the United States would ever allow most of them to
> >> immigrate. There are too many of them and the kind of work they do
> >> isn't valued highly.
> >
> >
> >
> >Too bad. That's no excuse to break the law & enter illegally.
>
> You didn't ask whether it was right. You asked why it was necessary.

True, but is isn't necessary either. They could continue living in
Mexico or Panama or Brazil. It is not necessary to live in the U.S.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 11:33 am
From: "Rod Speed"

SFTV_troy <SFTV_troy@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>> SFTV_troy <SFTV_troy@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> SFTV_troy <SFTV_troy@yahoo.com> wrote
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> Why is it necessary for them to enter illegally?
>>
>>>> Because they wont be allowed in using the legal route.
>>
>>> Too bad. That's no excuse to break the law & enter illegally.
>>
>> But completely relevant to why its necessary for them to enter
>> illegally, because they wont be allowed in using the legal channels.
>>
>>> *I'd* like to be to drive 120 miles an hour on I-80 (cross-country
>>> where it's empty), but I can't because we have laws. If I can't
>>> break the laws, why should "they" be allowed to break the law?
>>> If they're caught, send them back home, and hand them a Visa
>>> application so they can enter legally.
>>
>> Separate matter entirely to why its necessary for them to
>> enter illegally when they wont be allowed to enter legally.
>
>
>
> You make the false assumption that is is "necessary" for them to live in the U.S.

Wrong, as always.

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TOPIC: Good idea to USE incandescent lights in winter for warmth?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/62bc93880ecb0352?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 9:11 am
From: "Bob F"

"Al Bundy" <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote in message
> You are right EZ. I believe a space heater would have to be built
> into the wall to meet most current codes.
> The polyester fabric on my old couch melted one time when I had the
> Toastmaster too close. A lamp in a ceiling fixture would be much
> safer.

But not just any fixture. It must be rated for the wattage.

Bob

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 12:29 pm
From: Jeff

Bob F wrote:
> "Al Bundy" <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote in message
>
>>You are right EZ. I believe a space heater would have to be built
>>into the wall to meet most current codes.
>>The polyester fabric on my old couch melted one time when I had the
>>Toastmaster too close. A lamp in a ceiling fixture would be much
>>safer.
>
>
> But not just any fixture. It must be rated for the wattage.

Not to mention that I believe they call these fixtures "heat hell holes"
or something like that. They can be very dangerous on their own if not
properly installed and insulated.
>
> Bob
>
>

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TOPIC: Use flat bed sheets only?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/11daf24d12dfd175?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 11:00 am
From: Cindy Hamilton

On Oct 23, 8:55 pm, lazybones <marie.zimmer...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You can sew two sheets together and make your own comforter cover.
> Put buttons or velcro on the end. Many years ago when we stayed in
> an Austrian Chalet in the alps I fell in love with the big poofy
> comforters on the bed and they were covered in white sheets that were
> changed like the bed sheets. Anyway. I found this group when I was
> searching for flat sheet information. In 2004 we bought a pillow top
> mattress that is just too deep. It's only an 18 inch mattress but
> with the Euro top on it I need to buy 20 inch fitted sheets and they
> are stretched to the max. On top of that DH wants his sheets washed
> every second day (he really wants every day) and my sheets take a
> beating.

So, does he wash his sheets every second day?

Cindy Hamilton

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 11:41 am
From: noname@privacy.net

>We belong to Sams Club and they have institutional sheets that come 6
>in a package for less than 50 dollars. They only come in white and
>are 200 TC but they have some polyester in them for wear and
>wrinkles. That's ok with me if they are soft and smooth. I think I
>will try them and let you know.

Please do!

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 12:44 pm
From: Boothbay

On Oct 17, 7:24 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> m...@privacy.net wrote:
> >>> Also.... can a person use a queen size flat sheet
> >>> on a FULL bed as the bottom sheet so that it will
> >>> have more material to tuck under the mattress?
> >> Yep, thats what I do, buy oversized for that reason.
> > OK but do you use say a queen sheet (oversized) on bottom ONLY?
>
> Nope.
>
> > Sill use a regular size full sheet for the top?
>
> Nope, the extra tuck in is useful for the top too.
>
> > Oh by the way....wonder if something like
> > this would secure flat sheets on mattress?
> >http://www.amazon.com/Sheet-Straps-Set-of-4/dp/B000BFWFJ8
>
> It looks like they are intended for use on fitted sheets.
>
> Not sure how well they would work on flat sheets, too much spare tucked
> in sheet to be viable with those and no edge to apply them to either.

Sheet straps are the answer, but certainly a task in attaching them.
First you have to lift the mattress on its side...they are clumsy and
heavy..fine if you have a partner to assist you, then you have to go
from corner to corner ( 4 ) to apply them, second if your a senior and
alone and in frail health, it should not even be attempted. Its easier
to fold a fitted sheet, than to use these straps, and save your back
from aching. Mine are in the bureau drawer untouched for a couple of
years since i tried them.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 1:04 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Boothbay <harri85274@aol.com> wrote:
> On Oct 17, 7:24 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> m...@privacy.net wrote:
>>>>> Also.... can a person use a queen size flat sheet
>>>>> on a FULL bed as the bottom sheet so that it will
>>>>> have more material to tuck under the mattress?
>>>> Yep, thats what I do, buy oversized for that reason.
>>> OK but do you use say a queen sheet (oversized) on bottom ONLY?
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>>> Sill use a regular size full sheet for the top?
>>
>> Nope, the extra tuck in is useful for the top too.
>>
>>> Oh by the way....wonder if something like
>>> this would secure flat sheets on mattress?
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Sheet-Straps-Set-of-4/dp/B000BFWFJ8
>>
>> It looks like they are intended for use on fitted sheets.
>>
>> Not sure how well they would work on flat sheets, too much spare
>> tucked in sheet to be viable with those and no edge to apply them to
>> either.
>
> Sheet straps are the answer, but certainly a task in attaching them.
> First you have to lift the mattress on its side...they are clumsy and
> heavy..fine if you have a partner to assist you, then you have to go
> from corner to corner ( 4 ) to apply them, second if your a senior and
> alone and in frail health, it should not even be attempted. Its easier
> to fold a fitted sheet, than to use these straps, and save your back
> from aching. Mine are in the bureau drawer untouched for a couple of
> years since i tried them.

I'm surprised that someone hasnt come up with some sort of clamp type arrangement
to actually grip the flat sheet so you dont need to raise the mattress at all.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 12:52 pm
From: difdrummer@webtv.net (Bob Young)

You need to volunteer to work in a laundry room in some large
institution and you will find that there is a way to fold fitted sheets
and you can not tell the difference.
After you watch someone do it about 50 times you'll be good at it.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 2:24 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Bob Young <difdrummer@webtv.net> wrote:

> You need to volunteer to work in a laundry room in some
> large institution and you will find that there is a way to
> fold fitted sheets and you can not tell the difference.

Wota dinosaury way of working that out.

> After you watch someone do it about 50 times you'll be good at it.

Even you should be able to work out how to video that so we dont all
need to jam up the laundry room watching the denizens for that long.

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TOPIC: Legal/Money question for parents of teenagers
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 11:35 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Bob Young <difdrummer@webtv.net> wrote:

> Related to $$$$, so it is not off topic if the topic-police want to know.

Wrong. Plenty that is about $$$$ has absolutely NOTHING to do with frugal living.

> Are the parents of a teenage boy responsible 'legally' for the
> child support of any babies that boy might be the father of.

Nope.

> I am talking 'legally'...not morally or anything else. Can the court
> force 'his' parents to support that baby until he is 18 or legal age?

Nope.

> And please no long threads about DNA and teenagers
> having premarital sex..that is not the question.

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TOPIC: blake murphy's mugshot (was:Drinking booze ....)
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 11:38 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Bobo Bonobo(r) <CLASSACT@BRICK.NET> wrote
> Dee Dee <deedo...@shentel.net> wrote
>> blake murphy <blak...@verizon.net> wrote

>> news:pacsh3ts2jj4rk346bdohlidtmfevnhbvh@4ax.com...

>>> as a matter of fact, i use the cheap stuff - suave daily clarifying
>>> shampoo and suave naturals creme rinse. i do put a spoonful of
>>> olive oil in my alpo, though.

>> You're spending way too much. I don't bother with buying
>> shampoo; I just use my bath soap; if it's good enough for
>> my body, it's good enough for the hair growing out of it.

> You're kidding, right?

Nope, works fine.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 12:09 pm
From: William Souden

Rod Speed wrote:
> Bobo Bonobo(r) <CLASSACT@BRICK.NET> wrote
>> Dee Dee <deedo...@shentel.net> wrote
>>> blake murphy <blak...@verizon.net> wrote
>
>>> news:pacsh3ts2jj4rk346bdohlidtmfevnhbvh@4ax.com...
>
>>>> as a matter of fact, i use the cheap stuff - suave daily clarifying
>>>> shampoo and suave naturals creme rinse. i do put a spoonful of
>>>> olive oil in my alpo, though.
>
>>> You're spending way too much. I don't bother with buying
>>> shampoo; I just use my bath soap; if it's good enough for
>>> my body, it's good enough for the hair growing out of it.
>
>> You're kidding, right?
>
> Nope, works fine.
>
>
With no job or social life Rod can be very frugal when it comes to
personal grooming.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 3:05 pm
From: Siskuwihane

On Oct 24, 3:09 pm, William Souden <sou...@nospam.com> wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
> > Bobo Bonobo(r) <CLASS...@BRICK.NET> wrote
> >> Dee Dee <deedo...@shentel.net> wrote
> >>> blake murphy <blak...@verizon.net> wrote
>
> >>>news:pacsh3ts2jj4rk346bdohlidtmfevnhbvh@4ax.com...
>
> >>>> as a matter of fact, i use the cheap stuff - suave daily clarifying
> >>>> shampoo and suave naturals creme rinse. i do put a spoonful of
> >>>> olive oil in my alpo, though.
>
> >>> You're spending way too much. I don't bother with buying
> >>> shampoo; I just use my bath soap; if it's good enough for
> >>> my body, it's good enough for the hair growing out of it.
>
> >> You're kidding, right?
>
> > Nope, works fine.
>
> With no job or social life Rod can be very frugal when it comes to
> personal grooming.- Hide quoted text -

And relationships with the opposite sex.

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TOPIC: How A Young Driver Can Get It Cheap Car Insurance
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 11:39 am
From: "Rod Speed"

sophialorra@gmail.com wrote:

> Getting married will help you get really cheap auto insurance rates
> with a good number of insurance companies if you are under 25.
> This is not a practical joke. It works...
> http://insuredyou.googlepages.com/really_cheap_auto_insurance_how_a_young_

Pity about the significant costs of marraige, stupid.

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TOPIC: Reposts:Rod speed work history and glossary-posted because he is off
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 11:42 am
From: Siskuwihane

On Oct 24, 8:31 am, Jeff <dont_bug...@all.uk> wrote:
> William Souden wrote:
>
> You know, there is such a thing as a killfile.
>
> Rod managed to make it into mine (it's pretty lonely in there). You
> can either keep him company in there or add him to your own killfile.
>
> Your choice.
>
> Jeff

That's fine except Rod changes his nic in the middle of an argument to
circumvent killfiles. He has to make sure people see his posts as he
is an attention whore.

The "Joe Brown" who jumped into the middle of the TV dish thread is a
prime example.

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TOPIC: Life Settlements/Growth Strategies for Your Business
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TOPIC: Budget fare to wash.d.c from NYC
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 12:33 pm
From: Boothbay

Does anyone know what is the cheapest fare to wash. D.C for 1 senior,
from NYC? Jetblue has $59 each way. Amtrak is around $117 and does not
include other fees and tax's. I only have to go for at the most 2
days. Greyhound is around the same.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 2:40 pm
From: ediefaber@yahoo.com (elise d faber)

On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:33:56 -0700, Boothbay <harri85274@aol.com>
wrote:

>Does anyone know what is the cheapest fare to wash. D.C for 1 senior,
>from NYC? Jetblue has $59 each way. Amtrak is around $117 and does not
>include other fees and tax's. I only have to go for at the most 2
>days. Greyhound is around the same.
>

in august i paid about $95 one way to washington [senior-weekday
morning going-sunday morning coming back]. they seemed to have
different fares for different trains, so check the other trains
leaving around when you want to go.

i live near penn station, so this was lots cheaper for me than getting
to the airport and i can take the metro from union station in
washington. don't know about greyhound, but at the same price, i
think amtrak is more comfortable.

if you do decide to do the airport thing, super shuttle is about $15
each way.

elise

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 2:41 pm
From: "Don K"

"Boothbay" <harri85274@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1193254436.788808.240340@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> Does anyone know what is the cheapest fare to wash. D.C for 1 senior,
> from NYC? Jetblue has $59 each way. Amtrak is around $117 and does not
> include other fees and tax's. I only have to go for at the most 2
> days. Greyhound is around the same.
>

The China bus is $20 from NYC to DC.
You probably won't find much cheaper than that.

Don

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TOPIC: Handle Post Traumatic Stress Disorder in Pets with Care.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 1:29 pm
From: swtlady

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are exposed to too much noise, and
have suffered from physical trauma.
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Urinating and defecating at inappropriate places
Fearful reaction to cues of trauma
Mewing excessively without any evident reason
Hiding behind doors or furniture
Aggressive behavior
Seizure (in severe cases)
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 12:25 am
From: Jon v Leipzig

Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
> Mark Anderson wrote:
>> Just the other day, the heating coil in my coffee maker of over 12
>> years broke. I had a Braun Aromaster that cost $20 at the time. I
>> really liked the simplicity of this coffee maker in that there were
>> only two parts, everything was easy to clean, and since it was so
>> simple there wasn't much that could go wrong with it -- which is
>> probably why it lasted so long.
>>
>> So Saturday I'm shopping online for a new one only to find out that
>> Braun doesn't make the Aromaster any more. They have an entire new
>> line of coffee makers that cost between $70 and $100. Who wants to
>> pay that much for something that just heats water dripping it through
>> coffee grounds? A coffee maker isn't much more complicated than a
>> toaster. Why did Braun get rid of their simple machine other than
>> perhaps they didn't want it competing with their more expensive ones?
>>
>> So I looked at other brands hoping to pick one up at Target. All the
>> $20 machines had so many bad reviews it's almost as if Mr. Coffee,
>> Black and Decker, and others purposely produced a shitty low priced
>> product to get us to spend $50+ for the higher end coffee machines.
>> Finally I gave up and luckily one of my neighbors had a house sale and
>> she had a clean, not too old one for $10. Normally I wouldn't buy a
>> kitchen appliance used but since I know her and know that she's a
>> clean person I bought it.
>>
>> So, in summary, I think there's collusion in the coffee maker industry
>> to get us to spend more money on coffee makers. Frankly, I don't give
>> a damned if a coffee maker has a clock or is "programmable" (whatever
>> that means). I just want it to make god damned coffee -- period.
>> Can't someone come up with a decent low cost coffee maker like the
>> Braun Aromaster once was?
>
> How about a plastic cone drip coffee maker?
>
That, or the fancy version at that Vermont store.
Surprisingly, they do work... The downside is, (according to coffee
addicts) they drip too quickly. The brewing cycle for drip coffee
should be five minutes. The chemicals are released at different stages,
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ps: for better drip coffee get a gold filter, the paper ones absorb some
of the flavor.
even better, get a small travel-size grinder, grind whole beans for
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== 1 of 1 ==
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 4:21 am
From: Bobo Bonobo(r)

On Oct 23, 3:07 pm, "Dee Dee" <deedo...@shentel.net> wrote:
> "blake murphy" <blak...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:pacsh3ts2jj4rk346bdohlidtmfevnhbvh@4ax.com...
>
> > as a matter of fact, i use the cheap stuff - suave daily clarifying
> > shampoo and suave naturals creme rinse. i do put a spoonful of olive
> > oil in my alpo, though.
>
> > your pal,
> > blake
>
> You're spending way too much. I don't bother with buying shampoo; I just
> use my bath soap; if it's good enough for my body, it's good enough for the
> hair growing out of it.

You're kidding, right?
>
> Dee Dee

--Bryan

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 4:34 am
From: Just A User

andycooper3@googlemail.com wrote:
> On 22 Oct, 18:15, "R. Mark Clayton" <nospamclay...@btinternet.com>
> wrote:
>> "Just A User" <k...@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote in messagenews:f5udndN0ga4WMYHanZ2dnUVZ_qPinZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>>> schoenfeld....@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Most people don't know that there were actually 3 buildings which came
>>>> crashing down on the day of 9/11.
>>>> The third building, WTC 7, can be seen here
>> Snip
>>
>>
>>
>>> And the explosives were put in the building by Elvis and the mystery
>>> shooter on the grassy knoll. And they were of explosives were supplied by
>>> the aliens that are still alive that crashed in Roswell in 1947.
>> And the planes crashed because the paparazzi flashed a camera in the pilots'
>> eyes so they couldn't see to land safely...
>
> No they crashed because the biggest and most well equipped Airforce in
> the world couldn't stop them , lol. That's the biggest conspiracy.
>
Yeah that's a real conspiracy alright. The biggest conspiracy is out of
the mid-east. And it's that "only the radicals" want to kill infidels.
That is much more common than they want us to believe.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 7:30 am
From: val189

On Oct 22, 9:58 am, Just A User <k...@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote:
> schoenfeld....@gmail.com wrote:
> > Most people don't know that there were actually 3 buildings which came
> > crashing down on the day of 9/11.
>
> > The third building, WTC 7, can be seen here
>
> >http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7750532340306101329
>
> > There is no mention of this building in 911 Omission Report.
>
> > Can fire make a building come crashing down at free fall speed?
>
> > If you think it can, patent the idea and make billions in the
> > demolitions industry!
>
> > How do we know WTC 7 was demolished?
>
> > If WTC 7 collapsed in 6 seconds, and it takes 6 seconds to free fall
> > from the roof of WTC 7, then you got it - WTC 7 underwent a free fall.
>
> > This means as the each floor was falling straight to the ground it did
> > so without crashing into anything on the way. ONLY CONTROLLED
> > DEMOLITION CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT!
>
> > PROPOSITION 1:
> > It took a total of 6 seconds for the roof of WTC 7 to reach the
> > ground. This proposition is supported by the empirical,
>
> >

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7750532340306101329
> > Collapse start time: 17 seconds
> > Collapse end time: 23 seconds
> > Total collapse time: 23-17 = 6 seconds
>
> > PROPOSITION 2:
> > A free fall from a height equal to the roof of WTC 7 would take 6
> > seconds. This proposition derives trivially through (Galilean)
> > kinematical considerations alone:
>
> > Displacement = initial velocity * total time + 1/2 * acceleration *
> > total time^2
>
> > or
>
> > s = ut + 1/2at^2
> > where
> > s = 174 m (height of building)
> > u = 0 m/s (building was stationary prior to collapse)
> > a = 9.8 m/s^2 (since gravitational field strengh averages at
> > a constant)
>
> > Thus,
> > 174 = 0 t + 1/2 9.8 t^2
>
> > Solving for t
> > t = sqrt( 2 * 174 / 9.8)
> > = 5.9590
> > ~ 6 seconds
>
> And the explosives were put in the building by Elvis and the mystery
> shooter on the grassy knoll. And they were of explosives were supplied
> by the aliens that are still alive that crashed in Roswell in 1947.

You forgot to work Jimmy Hoffa into the deal....

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 5:31 am
From: Jeff

William Souden wrote:

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Rod managed to make it into mine (it's pretty lonely in there). You
can either keep him company in there or add him to your own killfile.

Your choice.

Jeff
>
>
>
><snip>

== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 6:01 am
From: difdrummer@webtv.net (Bob Young)

Related to $$$$, so it is not off topic if the topic-police want to
know.

Are the parents of a teenage boy responsible 'legally' for the child
support of any babies that boy might be the father of.

I am talking 'legally'...not morally or anything else. Can the court
force 'his' parents to support that baby until he is 18 or legal age?

And please no long threads about DNA and teenagers having premarital
sex..that is not the question.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 6:20 am
From: Just A User

Bob Young wrote:
> Related to $$$$, so it is not off topic if the topic-police want to
> know.
>
> Are the parents of a teenage boy responsible 'legally' for the child
> support of any babies that boy might be the father of.
>
> I am talking 'legally'...not morally or anything else. Can the court
> force 'his' parents to support that baby until he is 18 or legal age?
>
> And please no long threads about DNA and teenagers having premarital
> sex..that is not the question.
>

I have never heard or read about any case like that. You might be
setting legal precedence with that one.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 7:02 am
From: "Bill"

I found a law for at least one state which says the parents of the teenage
parents can be required to pay support. But as everyone knows, laws vary
from state to state, so this could be totally different in another state.

Here is the law I found...

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/BySection/Chapter_50/GS_50-13.4.html

"Bob Young" wrote in message
> Related to $$$$, so it is not off topic if the topic-police want to
> know.
>
> Are the parents of a teenage boy responsible 'legally' for the child
> support of any babies that boy might be the father of.
>
> I am talking 'legally'...not morally or anything else. Can the court
> force 'his' parents to support that baby until he is 18 or legal age?
>
> And please no long threads about DNA and teenagers having premarital
> sex..that is not the question.
>

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 8:32 am
From: "Melissa"

"mm" <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:cs7qh3l3rj0pkpdnml8bvg9qfeas12p30p@4ax.com...
> Am I getting a bargain or the opposite?
>
> For years I've been buying Fruit-of-the=loom Jockey shorts, in
> packages of three, colored, usually like one green, one blue, and one
> grey pair per package.
>
> Irregulars.
>
> I thought I would be able to see what made them irregular and it would
> be some stitching or something, and maybe I'm not a good inspector,
> but I've never seen anything wrong with them.
>
> What I do notice is that they seem to start getting a hole in them
> after as early as the second time I wash them. And I only wear them
> one day and then they go into the laundry. And I use warm water for
> wash and cold for rinse, and the lowest temp above plain air for
> drying. (I use the same temps for everything, to make it simple.)
>
> Is this what makes them irregular?
>
> I can imagine that they had a bad batch of cloth once, and they might
> have made 10's of thousands of these and can only sell so many
> irregulars in one month or year. But I bought some more years later,
> and it was the same as before.
>
> What do you think is going on?
>
>
> I should buy some regulars and see if there is any difference, but
> there's a complicated reason I don't have time, and I would still want
> to ask you here anyhow.
>
> How many times could I wash these if they were not irregulars, without
> getting holes in them.
>
>
> If you are inclined to email me
> for some reason, remove NOPSAM :-)

We bought some Jockey underwear for my husband at an Outlet store. I am
pretty sure all the stuff they sold there was marked "irregular". They sure
were...one leg hole was VERY different in size than the other. They were
unusable. We didn't return them because of the distance to drive back, they
just went in the rag bag.

I've bought irregular Gold Toe socks a few times, but they were fine. I
never did figure out why they were considered irregular.

Melissa

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 7:52 am
From: clams casino

Melissa wrote:

>
>I've bought irregular Gold Toe socks a few times, but they were fine. I
>never did figure out why they were considered irregular.
>
>Melissa
>
>
>
>
May have simply been an overstock where they could sell them at a
discount without effecting their retail selling price.

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 8:00 am
From: val189

On Oct 17, 3:16 pm, m...@privacy.net wrote:
> Curious if anyone here refuses to use fitted bed sheets
> and instead uses two flat sheets?

I'd sooner give up my dishwasher than my fitted bottom sheet.
>
> Also.... can a person use a queen size flat sheet on a
> FULL bed as the bottom sheet so that it will have more
> material to tuck under the mattress?

Why not? You can usually find these sold separately, esp. if on sale.
>
> I HATE trying to fold and store fitted sheets and
> thinking abt going back to all flat sheets.... but I
> have a full bed only.... no queen or king.

Stop folding them. When I strip the bed, I wash the sheet and an
hour later, it's back on the bed. Can't think of the last time I
folded a fitted bottom. I'm not hung up on owning a ton of sheets and
rotatin' 'em. I suppose Martha Stewart would purse her lips at this
admission........

By the way, it takes me one minute to make my bed.
>From bottom up: mattress pad, fitted bottom sheet, comforter. I
don't bother with top sheet, blanket(s) etc. It takes no time to
smooth and reposition that comforter. Prop the shams over the pillows
and that's it.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 8:16 am
From: val189

On Oct 17, 5:38 pm, m...@privacy.net wrote:
> >> Curious if anyone here refuses to use fitted
> >> bed sheets and instead uses two flat sheets?
>
> >Yeah, I do, I gave up on fitted bottoms sheets because
> >I couldnt find any that stay fitted to the mattress properly.
>
> Off topic...... but what thread count and brand and
> material sheets does everyone like?
>
> I'm thinking of going high end...say 500 thread count.
> Waste of money?
>
> Also what abt sheets with a bit of polyester in them as
> well as cotton? They last longer and wear better than
> ALL cotton sheets?

Flannel is used in my house year round. Wears like iron, comfy in
winter, and not at all uncomfortable in summer (providing the a/c is
cranked on). Bought last set from QVC - (their Northern Nights brand)
chunky flannel, made in Portugal, I believe. Had a set from them
about 7 years ago and got constant use. Even the fitted bottom's
elastic held up well. Donated it to Goodwill when I changed color
scheme and merely wanted a different hue.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 8:48 am
From: SFTV_troy

Rod Speed wrote:
> SFTV_troy <SFTV_troy@yahoo.com> wrote
> > Rod Speed wrote
> >> SFTV_troy <SFTV_troy@yahoo.com> wrote

>
>
>
>
> >>> Why is it necessary for them to enter illegally?
>
> >> Because they wont be allowed in using the legal route.
>
> > Too bad. That's no excuse to break the law & enter illegally.
>
> But completely relevant to why its necessary for them to enter
> illegally, because they wont be allowed in using the legal channels.
>
> > *I'd* like to be to drive 120 miles an hour on I-80 (cross-country
> > where it's empty), but I can't because we have laws. If I can't
> > break the laws, why should "they" be allowed to break the law?
> > If they're caught, send them back home, and hand them a Visa
> > application so they can enter legally.
>
> Separate matter entirely to why its necessary for them to
> enter illegally when they wont be allowed to enter legally.

You make the false assumption that is is "necessary" for them to live
in the U.S. It is not. They can continue living in Mexico, or
Panama, or wherever else they came from.

There is no need for them to break the law. They can stay where they
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 23 2007 11:18 pm
From: mm

On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:55:29 -0700, Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:30:27 -0400, hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>I think it would be a great marketing gimmick for some company to make
>>briefs with three leg holes in them, and then every once in a while
>>toss one into a package of "irregulars."
>
>Even better if they put the fly in the back. :-)

I had a pair like that once, but I wore them backwards and that seemed
to work ok.
>
>>
>>I gave up on buying irregulars after buying a dress shirt that had two
>>left sleeves. It looked normal in the package, but the cuff and
>>buttons were screwed up.
>
>I got a shirt like that once, too. Whenever I wore it, I rolled up
>the sleeves and no one was the wiser.

I like to buy jewelry and clothes when I travel because they don't
break when you mail them back, and I bought a couple shirts in
Czechoslovakia in 1973 and the cuffs were wrong, but I was able to
just move the buttons somewhere and they worked.

>Dennis (evil)

If you are inclined to email me
for some reason, remove NOPSAM :-)

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 23 2007 11:21 pm
From: mm

On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:30:27 -0400, hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:

>On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:21:10 -0400, mm <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com>
>wrote:
>
>>What I do notice is that they seem to start getting a hole in them
>>after as early as the second time I wash them. And I only wear them
>>one day and then they go into the laundry. And I use warm water for
>>wash and cold for rinse, and the lowest temp above plain air for
>>drying. (I use the same temps for everything, to make it simple.)
>>
>>Is this what makes them irregular?
>
>Perhaps the problem could be if you eat spicey foods, and _you_ are
>irregular...

Well, the first hole is right in the middle in the rear, and I did
think about that. But my diet is average. Maybe I should check with
a cdoctor anyhow.

But the other holes follow soon after the first one.
>
>I think it would be a great marketing gimmick for some company to make
>briefs with three leg holes in them, and then every once in a while
>toss one into a package of "irregulars."

What would they do with the others?

If you are inclined to email me
for some reason, remove NOPSAM :-)

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 23 2007 11:32 pm
From: "michael d."

Just tried to get multiple quotes from Esurance. Said that feature is
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is one of the main features that they push in their commercials.

I went to AAA... I can join AAA AND get their insurance for less
anyway.

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