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Today's topics:
* In reference to Conservative Jews - 5 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/d332202139230d47?hl=en
* saving time spent on shaving - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/34bea6c670aeadce?hl=en
* converter box suck - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/c15f24ce7244b668?hl=en
* Individual Health Insurance Rates/Plans - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e0eaf15f862a905a?hl=en
* how to choose a cat or kitten - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/6d0035aa1ee69ca2?hl=en
* Costco canned veggoes - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/f5c1e917ca4881f2?hl=en
* Confirmed: No bicycles in Heaven! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/4dbe67a295975554?hl=en
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TOPIC: In reference to Conservative Jews
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/d332202139230d47?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 1:42 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"
On Jan 29, 4:18 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> john MacArthur wrote
>
>
>
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >> Jeff Thies wrote
> >>> Edward Dolan wrote
> >>>> Jeff Thies <jeff_th...@att.net> wrote
> >>>>> I know some ultra conservative Jews. Near as I can tell they don't
> >>>>> have anything close to the views of Conservative Christians.
> >>>>> Being a Conservative Jew is a way of life, unlike being a
> >>>>> conservative Christian where it is more about beliefs than it is
> >>>>> actions and reality.
> >>>> Nope, it is the same with some Christians just as it is with some
> >>>> Jews. Beliefs, actions and reality - all one thing.
> >>> I see no correlation between the way Jesus lead his life an the way
> >>> conservative Christians do. Hypocrisy is the norm.
> >> Nope, because conservative christians arent anything like the norm.
> >>>>> Just my take. I like all my Jewish friends and I think believing in God is crazy.
> >>>> Well Hells Bells, I don't like anybody no matter their religion,
> >>>> but I don't think believing in God is crazy. It is merely
> >>>> traditional in all cultures.
> >>> I have no problem with traditions.
> >> I do when they dont make any sense.
> >>> Ultra Orthodox traditions are very strong.
> >> And just plain barking mad most of the time.
> >>> But actually believing that there is some all knowing ultra smart
> >>> being is crazy. A christian friend of mine was just telling me that
> >>> God knew I was going to say what I did, but I still had free will.
> >>> Believing such is lunacy,
> >> Hard to claim most of humanity is mad.
> >>> following traditions is not.
> >> Wrong when the tradition makes no sense at all.
> >>>> Why not take a few courses in sociology and anthropology to learn
> >>>> what it is to be human. Why be an ignorant slob all of your life!
> >>> I know more that the average. Even on tests of religion:
> >>>http://features.pewforum.org/quiz/us-religious-knowledge/
> >>> Like most atheists, I scored well, missed only one.
> >>> I have nothing against Mormons either. But what they believe is even crazier.
> >> Nope, just different in detail.
> > a lot of people in industrial societies are rejecting their traditions
>
> Yes.
>
> > and turning to buddhism.
>
> Nope, fuck all are doing that. MANY more are giving up on any god at all.
>
> > you dont have to believe in anything except that there is a higher state of consciousness
>
> I have seen no evidence that there is.
>
> Its just another crutch for pathetically inadequate 'minds'
>
> > (which we all know from those flashes of insight right? )
>
> Wrong. We 'know' nothing of the sort. Those are just how the mind works.
>
> > and the means to that, is controlling your arbitrary thoughts through meditation.
>
> I dont want to control my arbitrary thoughts, they can be very useful at times.
>
> > they say just try relaxing your mind and see what happens?
>
> I do that all the time. Dont need meditation or buddhism to do that.
>
> > too simple isn't it ?
>
> Mindlessly superficial, actually.
Buddhism (and an MP3 player) may come handy to ignore those drivers
who harass you for riding a bike.
The MP3 player is from my own school of wisdom.
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 4:30 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"
"Jeff Thies" <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote in message
news:ii0ugd$kbk$1@news.albasani.net...
> On 1/28/2011 2:44 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>> "Jeff Thies"<jeff_thies@att.net> wrote in message
>> news:ihuinp$8ig$1@news.albasani.net...
>> [...]
>>> I know some ultra conservative Jews. Near as I can tell they don't have
>>> anything close to the views of Conservative Christians. Being a
>>> Conservative Jew is a way of life, unlike being a conservative Christian
>>> where it is more about beliefs than it is actions and reality.
>>
>> Nope, it is the same with some Christians just as it is with some Jews.
>> Beliefs, actions and reality - all one thing.
>
> I see no correlation between the way Jesus lead his life an the way
> conservative Christians do. Hypocrisy is the norm.
I said "some" Christians", not all! Why not read the lives of the saints to
get a clue about Christianity.
>>> Just my take. I like all my Jewish friends and I think believing in
>>> God
>>> is crazy.
>>
>> Well Hells Bells, I don't like anybody no matter their religion, but I
>> don't
>> think believing in God is crazy. It is merely traditional in all
>> cultures.
>
> I have no problem with traditions. Ultra Orthodox traditions are very
> strong.
>
> But actually believing that there is some all knowing ultra smart being
> is crazy. A christian friend of mine was just telling me that God knew I
> was going to say what I did, but I still had free will. Believing such is
> lunacy, following traditions is not.
You should study the religious beliefs of primitive peoples. Christianity is
a light year advancement on that. Zoroastrianism has always appealed to me
personally.
>> Why not take a few courses in sociology and anthropology to learn what it
>> is
>> to be human. Why be an ignorant slob all of your life!
>
> I know more that the average. Even on tests of religion:
>
> http://features.pewforum.org/quiz/us-religious-knowledge/
>
> Like most atheists, I scored well, missed only one.
>
> I have nothing against Mormons either. But what they believe is even
> crazier.
The Mormons are a cult, not a religion. It is most likely what will prevent
Romney from ever being President.
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>> aka
>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 4:38 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"
"john MacArthur" <bluestar00955@mail.invalid> wrote in message
news:ii1til$57e$1@news.eternal-september.org...
[...]
> a lot of people in industrial societies are rejecting their traditions and
> turning to buddhism.
>
> you dont have to believe in anything except that there is a higher state
> of consciousness (which we all know from those flashes of insight right? )
> and the means to that, is controlling your arbitrary thoughts through
> meditation.
>
> they say just try relaxing your mind and see what happens?
>
> too simple isn't it ?
Yup, way too simple for the human mind. We love complexity and we create it
wherever we go.
Buddhism is a failed religion by anyone's standards. In fact it is more a
dead philosophy than anything else. It has died out nearly everywhere. Tibet
was the last bastion and China is rapidly stamping it out even there.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 6:43 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"
On Jan 29, 7:38 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "john MacArthur" <bluestar00...@mail.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:ii1til$57e$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> [...]
>
> > a lot of people in industrial societies are rejecting their traditions and
> > turning to buddhism.
>
> > you dont have to believe in anything except that there is a higher state
> > of consciousness (which we all know from those flashes of insight right? )
> > and the means to that, is controlling your arbitrary thoughts through
> > meditation.
>
> > they say just try relaxing your mind and see what happens?
>
> > too simple isn't it ?
>
> Yup, way too simple for the human mind. We love complexity and we create it
> wherever we go.
>
> Buddhism is a failed religion by anyone's standards. In fact it is more a
> dead philosophy than anything else. It has died out nearly everywhere. Tibet
> was the last bastion and China is rapidly stamping it out even there.
It's a good past time for the yuppies as well as a fairly good
business enterprise. Watch 'Eat, Pray, Love' and see what all the
bullshit is about.
The Dalai Lama still draws a large audience to hear his wisdom,
however little is compared to mine. The jungle is the reality but the
well-to-do don't want to hear about it.
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 7:46 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"
"His Highness the TibetanMonkey,
[...]
Edward Dolan wrote:
> Buddhism is a failed religion by anyone's standards. In fact it is more a
> dead philosophy than anything else. It has died out nearly everywhere.
> Tibet
> was the last bastion and China is rapidly stamping it out even there.
>> It's a good past time for the yuppies as well as a fairly good
business enterprise. Watch 'Eat, Pray, Love' and see what all the
bullshit is about.
>> The Dalai Lama still draws a large audience to hear his wisdom,
however little is compared to mine. The jungle is the reality but the
well-to-do don't want to hear about it.
Your 'wisdom' is pure shit. Until you can engage me, you will never have any
credibility on these newsgroups. The Dalai Lama is almost as irrelevant as
you.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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TOPIC: saving time spent on shaving
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/34bea6c670aeadce?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 3:34 pm
From: new nym
In article <ihv8a6$76p$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
"john MacArthur" <bluestar00955@mail.invalid> wrote:
> My electric razor alway misses a few hairs when i shave. Once they get to
> about three days growth the shaver no long cuts them. Recently I borrowed
> the wife's magnifying mirror and tweezers and realised how easy such a
> mirror makes it to take them out.
>
> The North American Native Indians apparently used to pull out all the hairs
> on their face instead of shaving.
>
> I'm wondering if it would be frugal with my time and electricity to say pull
> out ten or twenty each morning, until they have all gone. Would there be any
> disadvantages to doing this?
I have a holder for the elec. razor next to the toilet , I call it
multi-tasking. once and awhile I use the side burn trimmer part to go
over the beard area. then I go over the area with the reg. head.
works for me.
--
Karma, What a concept!
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 3:52 pm
From: a real cheapskate
On Jan 29, 6:34 pm, new nym <george...@toast.net> wrote:
> In article <ihv8a6$76...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "john MacArthur" <bluestar00...@mail.invalid> wrote:
>
> > My electric razor alway misses a few hairs when i shave. Once they get to
> > about three days growth the shaver no long cuts them. Recently I borrowed
> > the wife's magnifying mirror and tweezers and realised how easy such a
> > mirror makes it to take them out.
>
> > The North American Native Indians apparently used to pull out all the hairs
> > on their face instead of shaving.
>
> > I'm wondering if it would be frugal with my time and electricity to say pull
> > out ten or twenty each morning, until they have all gone. Would there be any
> > disadvantages to doing this?
>
> I have a holder for the elec. razor next to the toilet , I call it
> multi-tasking. once and awhile I use the side burn trimmer part to go
> over the beard area. then I go over the area with the reg. head.
> works for me.
> --
> Karma, What a concept!
I buzz cut my hair myself every couple weeks , in fact did that today.
Once it gets a tiny bit long it bugs the heck out of me....
Use a fusion shaver in the shower. I hate shaving, if there was a way
to end beard growth I would happily spend the money...... what a PIA:(
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 5:43 pm
From: "Bob F"
a real cheapskate wrote:
> I hate shaving, if there was a way
> to end beard growth I would happily spend the money...... what a PIA:(
electrolysis?
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TOPIC: converter box suck
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/c15f24ce7244b668?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 4:28 pm
From: Al
On Jan 29, 4:41 pm, anthona <harri85...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jan 29, 4:27 pm, Shawn Hirn <s...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <b6ef75b7-66d1-45da-95c8-02f962e86...@d12g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > anthona <harri85...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > I live in NY and for the most part get excellent pictures with the box
> > > off my indoor and outdoor antennas ( i have 2 separate box's for each
> > > TV ). In the old days, there was always the problems with
> > > 'ghosts'...seeing halo's around a figure. Now, with these box's we
> > > lose usually at most inopportune times the dialogue and if the
> > > picture is fine, the audio pops in and out. ..so what was the point of
> > > these conversions..instead of ghosts, now it pixels. At least with
> > > ghosts, the audio was in tact.
>
> > Those boxes aren't worth the cardboard they come in. Break open your
> > wallet and buy modern LCD HD televisions. You'll probably make back the
> > money is just power savings alone.
>
> These are older crt tv sets and this is a frugal forum isn't it? why
> should I throw away good tv sets cause the government made changes? As
> frugal as i may be, i have a 55'' lcd hd tv for your information...i
> am talking about bedroom and kitchen tv sets where a box is needed.
I hate to add more devices to your TV stream, but what would likely
clear up your picture is an antenna booster. You can buy something
like this for $10-30 or $1 at a garage sale. Only a small boost will
keep the signal up enough. You could also experiment with placing an
aluminum reflector near your antenna. This can be made by taking a
piece of cardboard and covering it with tin foil. Before you get done
your bedroom will look like Sanford and Son's back yard. I'm willing
to do these things to save a buck. When the old TVs go bad, I'll buy
something nice and new.
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TOPIC: Individual Health Insurance Rates/Plans
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e0eaf15f862a905a?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 4:53 pm
From: me@privacy.net
"Brian Kraft" <bkraft@nyx.net> wrote:
>I think it depends on the state. I have read that 32 states have some
>form of high risk pool, which means 18 states don't have them. Does
>your state have a high risk pool?
HAHAHAHAHA!
Just because a state has a "high risk" pool does NOT
mean you will be able to afford it!!!
Get sick and you will see what I mean
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 5:50 pm
From: "Bob F"
me@privacy.net wrote:
> Try having a condition such a ulcerative colitis and
> getting your own health insurance!
>
> Impossible in this country
That'll change in 2014 with the new health care bill, unless the Repubs get
their way.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 6:06 pm
From: Vic Smith
On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:53:08 -0600, me@privacy.net wrote:
>"Brian Kraft" <bkraft@nyx.net> wrote:
>
>>I think it depends on the state. I have read that 32 states have some
>>form of high risk pool, which means 18 states don't have them. Does
>>your state have a high risk pool?
>
>HAHAHAHAHA!
>
>Just because a state has a "high risk" pool does NOT
>mean you will be able to afford it!!!
>
>Get sick and you will see what I mean
Even normal big company provided health insurance is basically
unaffordable for low wage workers.
Not even talking about "high risk."
Family coverage, which still has deductibles and other costs if you
use the insurance, typically runs $100 a week.
So for a $10 an hour wage earner, that's 25% of his/her gross pay.
My wife is a chef in a large corporation (+120,000 U.S. employees) and
makes about $13 an hour.
Employee +1 insurance costs about 20% of her gross.
Except for her manager, she's the highest paid team member in the
kitchen.
She works there, and is locked into that job mostly to provide us with
insurance.
That's okay for us. I'm getting SS and have retirement savings.
And she's young and healthy enough to still enjoy her work.
We figure the 20% of her gross is "keep your house" insurance.
But none of the others on her team can afford the insurance.
They all take their kids and themselves to the emergency room for
medical treatment.
Of course they don't get normal yearly check ups either.
When I was working, the same $100 week insurance was 4% of our income,
and wasn't even noticed.
It's really funny when I see a bunch of TV talking head millionaires
sitting around and saying "The U.S. has the best health care in the
world," and "We have to cut Medicare and SS benefits for all old
people," and "The retirement age must be raised to 70."
At the same time they have huge hissy fits about raising taxes on the
wealthy by a few points.
But the funniest thing is how folks like them get voted into office.
Check out the wealth of the members of Congress.
Pretty much says it all about why lower income folks are going to the
emergency room and losing their houses.
But Americans can vote, so they get exactly the politicians they
deserve.
There's a sucker born every minute. Truer words were never spoken.
--Vic
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 8:34 pm
From: "Brian Kraft"
A private party at Individual.net wrote:
>HAHAHAHAHA!
>
>Just because a state has a "high risk" pool does NOT
>mean you will be able to afford it!!!
>
>Get sick and you will see what I mean
I agree that Ulcerative Colitis will cause companies to reject you;
it happened to me too. I have a history of Ulcerative Colitis and so I
got into a high risk pool in my state. 10k deductible, $313/mo premium.
That is absolutely the last option available to me, but I have to have
it to protect my life savings as best I can. You would not do this?
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TOPIC: how to choose a cat or kitten
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/6d0035aa1ee69ca2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 8:45 pm
From: "Brian Kraft"
Thomas' promises wrote:
> Your best bet is the
>friendly, outgoing cat, who nudges an outstretched finger offered
>through the cage bars
Shelter staff might have written down which animals are suitable.
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TOPIC: Costco canned veggoes
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/f5c1e917ca4881f2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 9:16 pm
From: The Real Bev
On 01/29/11 05:21, Shawn Hirn wrote:
> me@privacy.net wrote:
>
>> I see where Costco has their own line of canned veggies now
>>
>> Anyone tried them and can report?
>
> Live life on the edge. Buy some and decide for yourself if you like
> them. As with any food product, there will be some people who love
> those vegies, some who hate them, and lots in between.
I've never been dissatisfied with any Costco/Kirkland product. I am
pissed, however, that they stopped carrying Knott's preserves which are
WAYYYY better than Smucker's, and Stagg chili which is better than any
other kind I've tried.
--
Cheers, Bev
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It doesn't matter who you vote for, the government always gets in.
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TOPIC: Confirmed: No bicycles in Heaven!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/4dbe67a295975554?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 11:43 pm
From: D_FrumiousB@ndersnat.ch
I don't know about bikes, but the Bible states quite clearly that
Dolan and the Monkey won't be there. Cf. Revelation 8:1
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