Frugal Living: Jul 21, 2010

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TOPIC: Everybody will be happy with the Dutch model!
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 20 2010 11:02 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jul 21, 1:29 am, Rinaldo of Capadoccia
<Rina...@turkish.delight.info.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 21:14:38 -0700, Earle Jones <earle.jo...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >In article <dclc46h1dglaa0kumt24dqka8rc4pau...@4ax.com>,
> > Rinaldo of Capadoccia <Rina...@turkish.delight.info.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 21:57:01 -0400, BE-VA
> >> <blackwater-evangil...@testland.org> wrote:
>
> >> >On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:49:17 -0400, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator
> >> >of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote
> >> >(in article
> >> ><1e7b2a19-bf54-4a73-ba07-80596d438...@g35g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>):
>
> >> >> Subject: Everybody will be happy with the Dutch model!
> >> >> From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
> >> >> Movement
>
> >> >> of Tantra-Hammock" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com>
> >> >> Date: Today 1:49 PM
> >> >> Newsgroups: alt.atheism, alt.politics.homosexuality, alt.atheism.satire,
> >> >> alt.religion.christianity.hypocrisy, alt.polyamory
>
> >> >> The men are happy because of the girls; the ladies and gays are happy
> >> >> because
>
> >> >> they have rights and because they have men; the cyclists are happy because
> >> >> they have respect; everybody is happy because they are safe, etc, etc.
>
> >> >> Perhaps the happiest of all will be the cyclists! I've been saying that
> >> >> all
> >> >> along, and now it is confirmed...
>
> >> >> "The five happiest countries in the world — Denmark, Finland, Norway,
> >> >> Sweden
> >> >> and the Netherlands — are all clustered in the same region, and all enjoy
> >> >> high levels of prosperity."
>
> >> >And all those who exist in this little cluster are children of the state.,
> >> >with no obligations other than to work and give their earniing to the state
> >> >so that the state can keep their children happy.
>
> >> Yeah, fuck your ideological take; did you notice "happiest"?
> >> It isn't an external judgment, but self-reported.
>
> >*
> >No -- it is definitely not "self-reported".
>
> >The data, reported by Forbes Magazine, comes from the OECD, the
> >Organization of Economic Co-operation and Development, a Paris-based
> >group.
>
> And the OECD discovered which countries were happiest, how?
> By pointing a happyometer at each of the countries rated?
>

I guess they asked people who didn't worry about being laid off or
about getting sick.

People enjoy long vacations, low crime, and a healthier lifestyle
where they walk or bike.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 21 2010 5:53 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jul 21, 3:16 am, Virgil <Vir...@home.esc> wrote:
> In article <981d469pc4etm8dngjq72tanbrjtr64...@4ax.com>,
> Rinaldo of Capadoccia <Rina...@turkish.delight.info.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 21:14:38 -0700, Earle Jones <earle.jo...@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
>
> > >In article <dclc46h1dglaa0kumt24dqka8rc4pau...@4ax.com>,
> > > Rinaldo of Capadoccia <Rina...@turkish.delight.info.invalid> wrote:
>
> > >> On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 21:57:01 -0400, BE-VA
> > >> <blackwater-evangil...@testland.org> wrote:
>
> > >> >On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:49:17 -0400, His Highness the TibetanMonkey,
> > >> >Creator
> > >> >of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote
> > >> >(in article
> > >> ><1e7b2a19-bf54-4a73-ba07-80596d438...@g35g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>):
>
> > >> >> Subject: Everybody will be happy with the Dutch model!
> > >> >> From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
> > >> >> Movement
>
> > >> >> of Tantra-Hammock" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com>
> > >> >> Date: Today 1:49 PM
> > >> >> Newsgroups: alt.atheism, alt.politics.homosexuality,
> > >> >> alt.atheism.satire,
> > >> >> alt.religion.christianity.hypocrisy, alt.polyamory
>
> > >> >> The men are happy because of the girls; the ladies and gays are happy
> > >> >> because
>
> > >> >> they have rights and because they have men; the cyclists are happy
> > >> >> because
> > >> >> they have respect; everybody is happy because they are safe, etc, etc.
>
> > >> >> Perhaps the happiest of all will be the cyclists! I've been saying that
> > >> >> all
> > >> >> along, and now it is confirmed...
>
> > >> >> "The five happiest countries in the world — Denmark, Finland, Norway,
> > >> >> Sweden
> > >> >> and the Netherlands — are all clustered in the same region, and all
> > >> >> enjoy
> > >> >> high levels of prosperity."
>
> > >> >And all those who exist in this little cluster are children of the
> > >> >state.,
> > >> >with no obligations other than to work and give their earniing to the
> > >> >state
> > >> >so that the state can keep their children happy.
>
> > >> Yeah, fuck your ideological take; did you notice "happiest"?
> > >> It isn't an external judgment, but self-reported.
>
> > >*
> > >No -- it is definitely not "self-reported".
>
> > >The data, reported by Forbes Magazine, comes from the OECD, the
> > >Organization of Economic Co-operation and Development, a Paris-based
> > >group.
>
> > And the OECD discovered which countries were happiest, how?
> > By pointing a happyometer at each of the countries rated?
>
> One such measure is the Human Development Index (HDI)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index

I think our "pursuit of happiness" has become a Rat Race for survival,
and once that happens there's no happiness possible.

We must slow down and ride a bike or lay back in a hammock, not unlike
Key West.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 21 2010 6:47 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jul 21, 8:53 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> We must slow down and ride a bike or lay back in a hammock, not unlike
> Key West.

"A trip to Key West is a vacation to one of the music capitols of
America and will surely evoke a deep desire to leave the RAT RACE
behind. Soak up the tropical sun while listening to original Key West
Music playing in the breezes and sip a cold beer. While maybe not the
center of the universe, it certainly comes close to being paradise."

Tropical Key West Radio... (ENJOY!)

http://www.conchrepublicradio.com/

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 21 2010 6:19 pm
From: "The Henchman"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8am7ghFl1kU1@mid.individual.net...
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of
> Tantra-Hammock wrote:
>> The men are happy because of the girls; the ladies and gays are happy
>> because they have rights and because they have men; the cyclists are
>> happy because they have respect; everybody is happy because they are
>> safe, etc, etc.
>>
>> Perhaps the happiest of all will be the cyclists! I've been saying
>> that all along, and now it is confirmed...
>>
>> "The five happiest countries in the world - Denmark, Finland, Norway,
>> Sweden and the Netherlands - are all clustered in the same region, and
>> all enjoy high levels of prosperity."
>>
>> http://travel.yahoo.com/p-interests-35010143
>
> Usual utterly mindless line. The suicide rate in Finland is one of the
> highest in the entire world.
>
> If you cant manage to grasp what that means happiness wise...

Finland has greatly reduced it's suicide rate because it developed
programmes to deal with and recognise depression. Finland's rates for
suicide are now on par with France and Australia and New Zealand and Canada.
When Finland experienced their great economic boom in the 1960s and 1970s
they forgot to deal with health care issues, amongst them mental health.
But they have since corrected that.

Countries such as Russia, Ukraine and Japan all lead Finland in suicides as
well as Estonia, and Latvia and Lithuania, who themselves are facing the
same economic growth pangs that Finland faced in the 60's and 70's.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 21 2010 11:55 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

The Henchman wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote

>>> The men are happy because of the girls; the ladies and gays are
>>> happy because they have rights and because they have men; the
>>> cyclists are happy because they have respect; everybody is happy
>>> because they are safe, etc, etc.

>>> Perhaps the happiest of all will be the cyclists! I've been saying
>>> that all along, and now it is confirmed...

>>> "The five happiest countries in the world - Denmark, Finland,
>>> Norway, Sweden and the Netherlands - are all clustered in the same region, and all enjoy high levels of prosperity."

>>> http://travel.yahoo.com/p-interests-35010143

>> Usual utterly mindless line. The suicide rate in Finland is one of the highest in the entire world.

>> If you cant manage to grasp what that means happiness wise...

> Finland has greatly reduced it's suicide rate

No it hasnt. Its just reduced it a bit and its not quite as outrageous as it once was.

> because it developed programmes to deal with and recognise depression.

Still blows a damned great hole in the mindlessly silly happiness claim.

If they really were that happy, that wouldnt have been necessary.

> Finland's rates for suicide are now on par with France and Australia and New Zealand and Canada.

Another pig ignorant lie, and if they really are one of the happiest
countrys, it would be much lower than those countrys anyway.

> When Finland experienced their great economic boom in the 1960s and 1970s they forgot to deal with health care issues,
> amongst them mental health.

Have fun explaining why they had the highest suicide rate in the entire world.

> But they have since corrected that.

Nope, ALL they have done is make the evidence that its nothing
like one of the happiest countrys in the world less visible.

Its completely stupid to be claiming that if you can stop those who
want to suicide from doing that, that those are anything like happy.

> Countries such as Russia, Ukraine and Japan all lead Finland in suicides

By fuck all.

> as well as Estonia, and Latvia and Lithuania, who themselves are facing the same economic growth pangs that Finland
> faced in the 60's and 70's.

Its got nothing to do with economic growth pangs.

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TOPIC: Can anyone recommend a bread machine that makes good whole wheat?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 21 2010 12:11 am
From: "234" <234@45.com>

h wrote:
> "234" <234@45.com> wrote in message
> news:8am70pFi1sU1@mid.individual.net...
>> h wrote:
>>> "Cindy Hamilton" <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:dde5a42d-c097-4ae7-b030-14995e713db3@z10g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Jul 18, 5:59 pm, tmclone <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
>>>> On Jul 17, 9:53 am, "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>> On Jul 15, 9:41 pm, "h" <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Lou" <lpog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>>>> news:i1o959$2hu$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>
>>>>>>> Give up bread. Grain, particularly wheat, is poison.
>>>>
>>>>>> Funny, I've been eating grain for more than 52 years,
>>>>>> and I'm still alive.
>>>>
>>>>> You only think that. That's one of the symptoms.
>>>>
>>>> Heh. At nearly 60, I still find it hard to fathom that people still
>>>> eat wheat!
>>>
>>>>> It's tasty. That pretty much speaks for itself.
>>>
>>> But does it really not make you feel lousy about 30 minutes after
>>> eating it? All sluggish and bloated?
>>
>> Nope, hardly anyone gets that effect.
>
> Hmm, very wrong,

Nope.

> since about 1 in 100 gets Celiac,

That is hardly anyone.

> and 1 in 5 gets IBS,

Nothing like "all sluggish and bloated" and nothing like
that many are affected and it isnt due to wheat either.

> and 1 in 5 gets acid reflux,

Nothing like "all sluggish and bloated" and nothing like
that many are affected and it isnt due to wheat either.

> I beg to differ. That's a hell of a lot more than "hardly anyone".

It is hardly anyone who gets that effect 30 mins after eating any wheat.

> All of those problems are completely resolved by eating a wheat-free diet.

Another lie.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 21 2010 4:47 pm
From: tmclone

On Jul 20, 6:17 pm, Vic Smith <thismailautodele...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:35:53 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>
>
>
>
>
> <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Jul 20, 2:47 pm, "h" <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
> >> "234" <2...@45.com> wrote in messagenews:8am70pFi1sU1@mid.individual.net...
> >> >h wrote:
> >> >> "Cindy Hamilton" <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >>news:dde5a42d-c097-4ae7-b030-14995e713db3@z10g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> On Jul 18, 5:59 pm, tmclone <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
> >> >>> On Jul 17, 9:53 am, "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> >>>>> On Jul 15, 9:41 pm, "h" <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>> "Lou" <lpog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >> >>>>>>news:i1o959$2hu$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> >> >>>>>> Give up bread. Grain, particularly wheat, is poison.
>
> >> >>>>> Funny, I've been eating grain for more than 52 years,
> >> >>>>> and I'm still alive.
>
> >> >>>> You only think that. That's one of the symptoms.
>
> >> >>> Heh. At nearly 60, I still find it hard to fathom that people still
> >> >>> eat wheat!
>
> >> >>>> It's tasty. That pretty much speaks for itself.
>
> >> >> But does it really not make you feel lousy about 30 minutes after
> >> >> eating it? All sluggish and bloated?
>
> >> > Nope, hardly anyone gets that effect.
>
> >> Hmm, very wrong, since about 1 in 100 gets Celiac, and 1 in 5 gets IBS, and
> >> 1 in 5 gets acid reflux, I beg to differ. That's a hell of a lot more than
> >> "hardly anyone". All of those problems are completely resolved by eating a
> >> wheat-free diet.
>
> >So 99% of the population does not have celiac. That sounds like
> >"hardly
> >anyone" to me.
>
> >Wheat is only one of a number foods that cause IBS symptoms.
> >Someone can have IBS and still have no trouble with wheat.
>
> >Can you really say that reflux can be resolved by eating a wheat-
> >free diet? What about reflux that is caused simply by the mechanical
> >effects of obesity on the lower esophageal sphincter?
>
> >If you have problems with wheat, don't eat it, and don't read
> >Usenet threads that ask about bread machines. Meanwhile,
> >those of us who have no problem with wheat are going to continue
> >to enjoy foods made with it.
>
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> I love wheat.
> Bread, biscuits, pancakes, waffles, cake, Wheaties, etc, etc.
> I usually prefer a rye bread, but with wheat in it.
> But fresh Italian or French bread are absolutely delicious.
> Don't even need butter or anything with fresh wheat bread.
> Wheat. Oh yeah.
> Yum yum.
> No bad effects at all.
> Yum yum.
> I feel sorry for h being allergic to wheat.
> Very sad to live a life without wheat.
> Very sad.
> Makes me feel lucky indeed.
> Sometimes you only stop to count your blessings when you see how much
> less fortunate others are.
> Too many people take for granted the joy they get from wheat.
> h is a reminder to most of us that we are blessed.
> Thank you h, for the reminder.
> In my fairly long life, you're the first person I've encountered who
> couldn't partake of wheat.
> Good luck to you with your struggle.
>
> --Vic- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

OMG, what a douche!!

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 21 2010 4:54 pm
From: tmclone

On Jul 21, 7:47 pm, tmclone <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
> On Jul 20, 6:17 pm, Vic Smith <thismailautodele...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:35:53 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>
> > <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >On Jul 20, 2:47 pm, "h" <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
> > >> "234" <2...@45.com> wrote in messagenews:8am70pFi1sU1@mid.individual.net...
> > >> >h wrote:
> > >> >> "Cindy Hamilton" <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > >> >>news:dde5a42d-c097-4ae7-b030-14995e713db3@z10g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> > >> >> On Jul 18, 5:59 pm, tmclone <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
> > >> >>> On Jul 17, 9:53 am, "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> >>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >> >>>>> On Jul 15, 9:41 pm, "h" <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>> "Lou" <lpog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >> >>>>>>news:i1o959$2hu$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> > >> >>>>>> Give up bread. Grain, particularly wheat, is poison.
>
> > >> >>>>> Funny, I've been eating grain for more than 52 years,
> > >> >>>>> and I'm still alive.
>
> > >> >>>> You only think that. That's one of the symptoms.
>
> > >> >>> Heh. At nearly 60, I still find it hard to fathom that people still
> > >> >>> eat wheat!
>
> > >> >>>> It's tasty. That pretty much speaks for itself.
>
> > >> >> But does it really not make you feel lousy about 30 minutes after
> > >> >> eating it? All sluggish and bloated?
>
> > >> > Nope, hardly anyone gets that effect.
>
> > >> Hmm, very wrong, since about 1 in 100 gets Celiac, and 1 in 5 gets IBS, and
> > >> 1 in 5 gets acid reflux, I beg to differ. That's a hell of a lot more than
> > >> "hardly anyone". All of those problems are completely resolved by eating a
> > >> wheat-free diet.
>
> > >So 99% of the population does not have celiac. That sounds like
> > >"hardly
> > >anyone" to me.
>
> > >Wheat is only one of a number foods that cause IBS symptoms.
> > >Someone can have IBS and still have no trouble with wheat.
>
> > >Can you really say that reflux can be resolved by eating a wheat-
> > >free diet? What about reflux that is caused simply by the mechanical
> > >effects of obesity on the lower esophageal sphincter?
>
> > >If you have problems with wheat, don't eat it, and don't read
> > >Usenet threads that ask about bread machines. Meanwhile,
> > >those of us who have no problem with wheat are going to continue
> > >to enjoy foods made with it.
>
> > >Cindy Hamilton
>
> > I love wheat.
> > Bread, biscuits, pancakes, waffles, cake, Wheaties, etc, etc.
> > I usually prefer a rye bread, but with wheat in it.
> > But fresh Italian or French bread are absolutely delicious.
> > Don't even need butter or anything with fresh wheat bread.
> > Wheat. Oh yeah.
> > Yum yum.
> > No bad effects at all.
> > Yum yum.
> > I feel sorry for h being allergic to wheat.
> > Very sad to live a life without wheat.
> > Very sad.
> > Makes me feel lucky indeed.
> > Sometimes you only stop to count your blessings when you see how much
> > less fortunate others are.
> > Too many people take for granted the joy they get from wheat.
> > h is a reminder to most of us that we are blessed.
> > Thank you h, for the reminder.
> > In my fairly long life, you're the first person I've encountered who
> > couldn't partake of wheat.
> > Good luck to you with your struggle.
>
> > --Vic- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> OMG, what a douche!!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Oh, and if you really think you haven't met anyone else who doesn;t
eat wheat, you're either the biggest douche out there (well, yeah, you
are) or you don't get out much. I don't eat wheat because it's BAD FOR
HUMAN BEINGS, and it doesn't taste particularly wonderful. It's not
like I miss it. Didn't "discover" it until I was in college. Don't
really understand all the fuss about it. Totally missable. Sorry
you're such a douche. Oh wait, I'm not. Re-Plonk!

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 21 2010 4:56 pm
From: tmclone

On Jul 21, 3:11 am, "234" <2...@45.com> wrote:
> h wrote:
> > "234" <2...@45.com> wrote in message
> >news:8am70pFi1sU1@mid.individual.net...
> >> h wrote:
> >>> "Cindy Hamilton" <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:dde5a42d-c097-4ae7-b030-14995e713db3@z10g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> >>> On Jul 18, 5:59 pm, tmclone <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Jul 17, 9:53 am, "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>>>>> On Jul 15, 9:41 pm, "h" <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> "Lou" <lpog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>>>>>>news:i1o959$2hu$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> >>>>>>> Give up bread. Grain, particularly wheat, is poison.
>
> >>>>>> Funny, I've been eating grain for more than 52 years,
> >>>>>> and I'm still alive.
>
> >>>>> You only think that. That's one of the symptoms.
>
> >>>> Heh. At nearly 60, I still find it hard to fathom that people still
> >>>> eat wheat!
>
> >>>>> It's tasty. That pretty much speaks for itself.
>
> >>> But does it really not make you feel lousy about 30 minutes after
> >>> eating it? All sluggish and bloated?
>
> >> Nope, hardly anyone gets that effect.
>
> > Hmm, very wrong,
>
> Nope.
>
> > since about 1 in 100 gets Celiac,
>
> That is hardly anyone.
>
> > and 1 in 5 gets IBS,
>
> Nothing like "all sluggish and bloated" and nothing like
> that many are affected and it isnt due to wheat either.
>
> > and 1 in 5 gets acid reflux,
>
> Nothing like "all sluggish and bloated" and nothing like
> that many are affected and it isnt due to wheat either.
>
> > I beg to differ. That's a hell of a lot more than "hardly anyone".
>
> It is hardly anyone who gets that effect 30 mins after eating any wheat.
>
> > All of those problems are completely resolved by eating a wheat-free diet.
>
> Another lie.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Oh yes, because you've never experienced it, it happens to no one.
MORON. plonk

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TOPIC: Great Value (Walmart/Perdue) chicken nuggets recalled
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/0ce0be343e4abd6e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 21 2010 12:23 am
From: no-spam@sonic.net (Fake ID)

In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.1007201612590.26176@darkstar.example.net>,
Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:
>On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, h wrote:
>
>> "Chemo the Clown" <andyt@peak.org> wrote in message
>> news:df717765-08b3-4399-b04d-deed45cd4b87@x18g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 20, 12:38 pm, enough <blinkingblyth...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> http://con.st/10009159(Consumerist blog article)
>>
>>>> Everything in Walmart shoudl be recalled...heck, Walmart should be
>>>> recalled.
>>
>> plonk!
>>
>But aren't most chickens raised on that nasty grain stuff that you so
>dislike?
>
>And aren't a lot of "nuggets" coated in breadcrumbs?

I'm suprized that Wal*Mart chicken nuggets contain any chicken at all.
In fact, that might be the reason they're being recalled.

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TOPIC: Illegal aliens cost Americans $113/billion yearly
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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 21 2010 4:32 am
From: brad herschel

The cost of harboring illegal immigrants in the United States is a
staggering $113 billion a year — an average of $1,117 for every
"native-headed" household in America — according to a study conducted
by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR).

FAIR's report argues that there are two choices in the immigration
debate: "One choice is pursuing a strategy that discourages future
illegal migration and increasingly diminishes the current illegal
alien population through denial of job opportunities and deportations.
The other choice," it says, "would repeat the unfortunate decision
made in 1986 to adopt an amnesty that invited continued illegal
migration."

The report states that an amnesty program wouldn't appreciably
increase tax revenue and would cost massive amounts in Social Security
and public assistance expenses. An amnesty "would therefore be an
accentuation of the already enormous fiscal burden," the report
concludes.

$113 Billion a year? How can we afford this?

Read the full story here. All posts are welcome on this site.

http://steinbergfiles.com/?p=163

How do you put a price tag on those hundreds killed yearly by
illegals? What about pricing the decay spread to once peaceful small
towns?

The time is fast approaching when Americans will have to lynch those
who knowingly employ illegals. "Milder" punishment would be to seize
all of their business assets.

== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 21 2010 5:51 am
From: John Stafford

In article
<0717d089-1b61-4a84-9411-99628f524f53@q35g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
brad herschel <bradherschel@gmail.com> wrote:

> The cost of harboring illegal immigrants in the United States is a
> staggering $113 billion a year ‹ an average of $1,117 for every
> ³native-headed² household in America ‹ according to a study conducted
> by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR).

Got a credible source? FAIR is a fraud.

== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 21 2010 7:01 am
From: GLOBALIST

On Jul 21, 6:32 am, brad herschel <bradhersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The cost of harboring illegal immigrants in the United States is a
> staggering $113 billion a year — an average of $1,117 for every
> "native-headed" household in America — according to a study conducted
> by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR).
>
> FAIR's report argues that there are two choices in the immigration
> debate: "One choice is pursuing a strategy that discourages future
> illegal migration and increasingly diminishes the current illegal
> alien population through denial of job opportunities and deportations.
> The other choice," it says, "would repeat the unfortunate decision
> made in 1986 to adopt an amnesty that invited continued illegal
> migration."
>
> The report states that an amnesty program wouldn't appreciably
> increase tax revenue and would cost massive amounts in Social Security
> and public assistance expenses. An amnesty "would therefore be an
> accentuation of the already enormous fiscal burden," the report
> concludes.
>
> $113 Billion a year? How can we afford this?
>
> Read the full story here. All posts are welcome on this site.
>
> http://steinbergfiles.com/?p=163
>
> How do you put a price tag on those hundreds killed yearly by
> illegals? What about pricing the decay spread to once peaceful small
> towns?
>
> The time is fast approaching when Americans will have to lynch those
> who knowingly employ illegals. "Milder" punishment would be to seize
> all of their business assets.

It is probably all the money we owe them anyway for giving them below
minimium wages and working in extreme work environments. So it comes
out even. Pay back is a bitch huh!

== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 21 2010 8:22 am
From: tripletask@gmail..com

On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 07:51:31 -0500, John Stafford <nhoj@droffats.ten>
wrote:

>In article
><0717d089-1b61-4a84-9411-99628f524f53@q35g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
> brad herschel <bradherschel@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The cost of harboring illegal immigrants in the United States is a
>> staggering $113 billion a year ‹ an average of $1,117 for every
>> ³native-headed² household in America ‹ according to a study conducted
>> by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR).
>
>Got a credible source? FAIR is a fraud.

Among Washington insiders FAIR enjoys a high level of respect. I have
read other estimates, taking in every aspect of their presence, as
high as $383 billion a year. How do we put a price tag on the hundreds
of deaths caused by yearly by illegal alien drivers alone? What about
senior citizens forced to abandon their neighborhoods.

If you want to question numbers try the governments figure of 12
million illegal immigrants. They have been using that number for
10 years.

== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 21 2010 10:17 am
From: Jeff Thies

tripletask@gmail..com wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 07:51:31 -0500, John Stafford <nhoj@droffats.ten>
> wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <0717d089-1b61-4a84-9411-99628f524f53@q35g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
>> brad herschel <bradherschel@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The cost of harboring illegal immigrants in the United States is a
>>> staggering $113 billion a year ‹ an average of $1,117 for every
>>> ³native-headed² household in America ‹ according to a study conducted
>>> by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR).
>> Got a credible source? FAIR is a fraud.
>
> Among Washington insiders FAIR enjoys a high level of respect. I have
> read other estimates, taking in every aspect of their presence, as
> high as $383 billion a year.

That figure has been completely discredited. It largely consisted of
numbers pulled off a talk show.

How do we put a price tag on the hundreds
> of deaths caused by yearly by illegal alien drivers alone? What about
> senior citizens forced to abandon their neighborhoods.

Got anything besides fear and loathing?

Jeff

== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 21 2010 10:45 am
From: brad herschel

On Jul 21, 1:17 pm, Jeff Thies <jeff_th...@att.net> wrote:
> tripletask@gmail..com wrote:
> > On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 07:51:31 -0500, John Stafford <n...@droffats.ten>
> > wrote:
>
> >> In article
> >> <0717d089-1b61-4a84-9411-99628f524...@q35g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
> >> brad herschel <bradhersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> The cost of harboring illegal immigrants in the United States is a
> >>> staggering $113 billion a year ‹ an average of $1,117 for every
> >>> ³native-headed² household in America ‹ according to a study conducted
> >>> by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR).
> >> Got a credible source? FAIR is a fraud.
>
> > Among Washington insiders FAIR enjoys a high level of respect. I have
> > read other estimates, taking in every aspect of their presence, as
> > high as $383 billion a year.
>
> That figure has been completely discredited. It largely consisted of
> numbers pulled off a talk show.
>
> How do we put a price tag on the hundreds
>
> > of deaths caused by yearly by illegal alien drivers alone? What about
> > senior citizens forced to abandon their neighborhoods.
>
> Got anything besides fear and loathing?
>
> Jeff- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

There is no positive aspect to illegal immigration. Deport all
illegals, to
include europeans and asians.

== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 21 2010 10:45 am
From: Thumper

On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 13:17:04 -0400, Jeff Thies <jeff_thies@att.net>
wrote:

>tripletask@gmail..com wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 07:51:31 -0500, John Stafford <nhoj@droffats.ten>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In article
>>> <0717d089-1b61-4a84-9411-99628f524f53@q35g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
>>> brad herschel <bradherschel@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The cost of harboring illegal immigrants in the United States is a
>>>> staggering $113 billion a year ‹ an average of $1,117 for every
>>>> ³native-headed² household in America ‹ according to a study conducted
>>>> by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR).
>>> Got a credible source? FAIR is a fraud.
>>
>> Among Washington insiders FAIR enjoys a high level of respect. I have
>> read other estimates, taking in every aspect of their presence, as
>> high as $383 billion a year.
>
>
>That figure has been completely discredited. It largely consisted of
>numbers pulled off a talk show.
>
> How do we put a price tag on the hundreds
>> of deaths caused by yearly by illegal alien drivers alone? What about
>> senior citizens forced to abandon their neighborhoods.
>
>Got anything besides fear and loathing?
>
>Jeff

These rotten bastards have nothing but lies. Unfortunately a good
portion of American voters are too lazy to investigate or just don't
care as long as the lies are against the present government.
Thumper

== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 21 2010 11:29 am
From: "Will"

"brad herschel" <bradherschel@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0717d089-1b61-4a84-9411-99628f524f53@q35g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
towns?

>The time is fast approaching when Americans will have >to lynch those
>who knowingly employ illegals. "Milder" punishment >would be to seize
>all of their business assets.

After these people are lynched or have their business assets seized who is
going to make up for the economic impact of jobs lost and no tax revenue
from either the owners or their legal employees? Hell, even the illegals
pay sales taxes on what they buy even if their employers don't pay the
social security tax.

== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 21 2010 12:14 pm
From: "Bob F"

Will wrote:
> "brad herschel" <bradherschel@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:0717d089-1b61-4a84-9411-99628f524f53@q35g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> towns?
>
>> The time is fast approaching when Americans will have >to lynch those
>> who knowingly employ illegals. "Milder" punishment >would be to seize
>> all of their business assets.
>
> After these people are lynched or have their business assets seized
> who is going to make up for the economic impact of jobs lost and no
> tax revenue from either the owners or their legal employees? Hell,
> even the illegals pay sales taxes on what they buy even if their
> employers don't pay the social security tax.

No need to seize assets or lynch. Just throw the illegal employers in jail. The
problem won't continue for long.

== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 21 2010 1:26 pm
From: Jeff Thies

brad herschel wrote:
> On Jul 21, 1:17 pm, Jeff Thies <jeff_th...@att.net> wrote:
>> tripletask@gmail..com wrote:
>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 07:51:31 -0500, John Stafford <n...@droffats.ten>
>>> wrote:
>>>> In article
>>>> <0717d089-1b61-4a84-9411-99628f524...@q35g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> brad herschel <bradhersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> The cost of harboring illegal immigrants in the United States is a
>>>>> staggering $113 billion a year ‹ an average of $1,117 for every
>>>>> ³native-headed² household in America ‹ according to a study conducted
>>>>> by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR).
>>>> Got a credible source? FAIR is a fraud.
>>> Among Washington insiders FAIR enjoys a high level of respect. I have
>>> read other estimates, taking in every aspect of their presence, as
>>> high as $383 billion a year.
>> That figure has been completely discredited. It largely consisted of
>> numbers pulled off a talk show.
>>
>> How do we put a price tag on the hundreds
>>
>>> of deaths caused by yearly by illegal alien drivers alone? What about
>>> senior citizens forced to abandon their neighborhoods.
>> Got anything besides fear and loathing?
>>
>> Jeff- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> There is no positive aspect to illegal immigration. Deport all
> illegals, to
> include europeans and asians.

In other words, nothing but fear and loathing?

Jeff

== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 21 2010 6:58 pm
From: "Dick Cheney"

"John Stafford" <nhoj@droffats.ten> wrote in message
news:nhoj-E34F87.07513121072010@news.supernews.com...
> In article
> <0717d089-1b61-4a84-9411-99628f524f53@q35g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
> brad herschel <bradherschel@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The cost of harboring illegal immigrants in the United States is a
>> staggering $113 billion a year < an average of $1,117 for every
>> ³native-headed² household in America < according to a study conducted
>> by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR).
>
> Got a credible source? FAIR is a fraud.

Got a reference? I say they are credible.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 20 2010 5:16 pm
From: "Lou"

"h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote in message
news:i24qva$1c4$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>
>
> Hmm, very wrong, since about 1 in 100 gets Celiac, and 1 in 5 gets IBS,
and
> 1 in 5 gets acid reflux, I beg to differ. That's a hell of a lot more than
> "hardly anyone". All of those problems are completely resolved by eating a
> wheat-free diet.
>
I don't know about the others, but I can speak to acid reflux - it doesn't
go away when eating a grain free diet. At least it didn't for me.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 20 2010 7:06 pm
From: Nomen Nescio

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On Jul 20, 5:40 pm, Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
> Want to waste your time waiting for slow deliveries?
> And if you complain your package might be damaged,
> opened and repackaged?
>
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>
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>
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>
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r
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 20 2010 10:47 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
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On Jul 21, 12:29 am, Virgil <Vir...@home.esc> wrote:
> In article <earle.jones-762774.21033320072...@news.giganews.com>,
> Earle Jones <earle.jo...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <1e7b2a19-bf54-4a73-ba07-80596d438...@g35g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
> > "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of
> > Tantra-Hammock" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > The men are happy because of the girls; the ladies and gays are happy
> > > because they have rights and because they have men; the cyclists are
> > > happy because they have respect; everybody is happy because they are
> > > safe, etc, etc.
>
> > > Perhaps the happiest of all will be the cyclists! I've been saying
> > > that all along, and now it is confirmed...
>
> > > "The five happiest countries in the world ‹ Denmark, Finland, Norway,
> > > Sweden and the Netherlands ‹ are all clustered in the same region, and
> > > all enjoy high levels of prosperity."
>
> > >http://travel.yahoo.com/p-interests-35010143
>
> > *
> > Can you explain how Denmark, which has finished Number One in the
> > "Happiest Country in the World" for the past several years, and has one
> > of the highest tax rates of any country (about 50% of income) does it?
>
> > Maybe we should raise our tax rates and become happier.
>
> > I have talked to several Danish families recently (there are a lot of
> > European visitors where I volunteer as a Docent/Naturalist at the Ano
> > Nuevo State Reserve on the coast near Santa Cruz California.)
>
> > As near as I can tell, the Danes are very happy to pay what we would
> > consider ungodly taxes because they are convinced they get their money's
> > worth. Every kid can go to school for free from the age of four through
> > a PhD in a good university -- as long as they can keep up their grades.
> > Classes are small -- a few students per teacher -- and the health care
> > is some of the best in the world. The crime rate is low and the country
> > runs smoothly.
>
> > They get their money's worth.
>
> > We (in the USA) pay some of the lowest taxes of any country in the
> > world, and constantly bitch about taxes. We have an educational system
> > that ranks somewhere between Bulgaria and Argentina and a health-care
> > system that ignores about 40 million people. We have hundreds of
> > thousands of armed troops overseas fighting wars with no strategy, no
> > end point, and no hope of success.
>
> > This country (USA) is broken.
>
> > Let's fix it.
>
> > earle
> > *
>
> It might also be noted that because those 5 high tax countries provide
> so well for the average citizen, and have so few really poor or really
> rich, that the importance of religion in them is fading.

Or maybe they have a better life because religion is fading.

Here the taxes are lower, but they are totally squandered in wars and
contracts without ever solving anything.

There's a 1 mile long fancy mixed path around here (for riding bikes,
walking dogs, etc) that hasn't solved the problem that people must
ride bike on sidewalks to do errands. It is the owners of the dogs
that are happy with it and they are affluent. I've given up on
bureaucracies ever solving the problem in America without shaking the
tree. There's Big Black Hole that swallows everything.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 20 2010 11:02 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

I guess they asked people who didn't worry about being laid off or
about getting sick.

People enjoy long vacations, low crime, and a healthier lifestyle
where they walk or bike.

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