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TOPIC: Gas Prices
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, May 11 2008 4:32 pm
From: spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
In article <g07ojr$of4$1@registered.motzarella.org>, Patrick Karl <jpkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
>Doug Miller wrote:
>> In article <g04aqt$91a$1@registered.motzarella.org>, jpkarl@gmail.com
>> says...
>>> aemeijers wrote:
>>>
>>>> Other than metro chicago and the larger east coast cities, what areas DO
>>>> have commuter trains? AFAIK, commuter trains in N.A. are largely only in
>>>> cities that were built out pre-WWII. Any cities that grew in last 50
>>>> years are largely car-based.
>>> And we have the big oil corporations to thank for that. In the 1920s
>>> and 1930s they bought and dismantled most of the light rail local
>>> transportation systems in the US. Cleveland, Dallas, Los Angeles, ...
>>> The list goes on.
>>>
>> Garbage. Got proof?
>>
>> I didn't think so...
>
>Proof of what?
Proof that "big oil corporations ... bought and dismantled most of the light
rail local transportation systems in the U.S." -- DUH! What did you think I
meant?
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, May 11 2008 4:33 pm
From: spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
In article <68p9spF2u5d6iU1@mid.individual.net>, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>Patrick Karl <jpkarl@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Patrick Karl <jpkarl@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Patrick Karl <jpkarl@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> Patrick Karl <jpkarl@gmail.com> wrote
Alright, children, that's enough.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, May 11 2008 4:51 pm
From: Terri
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== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, May 11 2008 5:07 pm
From: Jan Flora
In article <p0HVj.3296$nW2.1448@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com>,
SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> Jan Flora wrote:
> > In article <4hwVj.2425$ah4.1577@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com>,
> > SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Patrick Karl wrote:
> >>> aemeijers wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Other than metro chicago and the larger east coast cities, what areas
> >>>> DO have commuter trains? AFAIK, commuter trains in N.A. are largely
> >>>> only in cities that were built out pre-WWII. Any cities that grew in
> >>>> last 50 years are largely car-based.
> >>> And we have the big oil corporations to thank for that. In the 1920s
> >>> and 1930s they bought and dismantled most of the light rail local
> >>> transportation systems in the US. Cleveland, Dallas, Los Angeles, ...
> >>> The list goes on.
> >> That's right. Don't forget the San Francisco Bay Area, which had a lot
> >> of rail lines across the bridge to the east bay, and down on the
> >> Peninsula. It was so nice to be in parts of Europe that have similar
> >> housing densities and layouts as the U.S., areas that also became more
> >> spread out in the last 50-100 years, but whose political institutions
> >> didn't allow the destruction of the transit systems.
> >
> > Where were the rail lines down the Peninsula? I used to ride the
> > streetcars around SF, but only remember the Southern Pacific trains on
> > the Peninsula...
>
> A bunch of interurban street cars linking south bay communities.
> Actually more south bay (Palo Alto to Los Gatos etc., than peninsula).
>
> "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peninsular_Railway"
Huh -- that's wild -- I'd never heard of it before. My granny didn't
move to Los Gatos until the '60's. It was still all fruit orchards then.
Her family used to travel down there for vacations. El Camino Real was
The Only Road. Mostly the south bay was all farm land, except for
Stanford University. (Grandma was born in SF in 1903, and yes, she
remembered camping out in Golden Gate Park after the earthquake. The
chimney fell on her dad, at their house on Divisidaro, and killed him.)
It was Grandma who taught me how to navigate The City on the streetcars,
when I was pretty little.
Jan
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, May 11 2008 4:36 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> h wrote:
>> Yes, you were still very sick because, unfortunately, the medical
>> profession knows nothing about healthy nutrition. If you had cut out
>> all carbs instead of all fats, you would have lost even more weight
>> and your gallbladder would have been fine. Doctors don't cure
>> disease, they just treat symptoms.
>
> Speaking of symptoms, if you have to cut out most carbs in order to
> lose weight, that's a symptom that something else is wrong. Taken
> care of properly, the human body can tolerate carbs in the diet quite
> well; in fact, it needs them. What do marathon runners traditionally
> eat the night before the race? A big pasta dinner. And why? Because they are trying to load up on as many carbs as
> possible. Because they need them. Because they are active. Like the human
> body is meant to be.
It was never 'meant to be' THAT active.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, May 11 2008 5:43 pm
From: Logan Shaw
Rod Speed wrote:
> Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>> Speaking of symptoms, if you have to cut out most carbs in order to
>> lose weight, that's a symptom that something else is wrong. Taken
>> care of properly, the human body can tolerate carbs in the diet quite
>> well; in fact, it needs them. What do marathon runners traditionally
>> eat the night before the race? A big pasta dinner. And why? Because they are trying to load up on as many carbs as
>> possible. Because they need them. Because they are active. Like the human
>> body is meant to be.
>
> It was never 'meant to be' THAT active.
Well sure, marathons are somewhat extreme (though not as extreme as the
100 mile runs and stuff like that). The point, though, is that when you're
active, you need carbs, because you need energy. You will not need as
many as a marathon runner, but you need them. If you never need carbs,
it's probably because you're not active, and I will go so far as to say
that being active is a non-optional part of a healthy lifestyle.
- Logan
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TOPIC: Virus scanner?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, May 11 2008 5:40 pm
From: Derald
"David" <drnall@comcast.net> wrote:
>but it stopped my email client (Outlook 2002) from
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LOL! Well, then, it did its job, didn't it? The single most
important step one may take in preventing virii, trojan, etc. attacks is
to deny Microsoft end-user applications access to the Internet;-) The
Microsoft minions will, no doubt, burn in hell for foisting Outlook and
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know, not just all of those assholes who send HTML via POP3 email, for
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who actually accept HTML that is sent via POP3 email and/or
automagically open attachments just because they can.
--
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TOPIC: Home shower drip repair (how do I get the Delta faucet apart)?
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, May 11 2008 5:39 pm
From: Big_Jake
On May 11, 4:07 pm, Donna <donnaoh...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> > I'm stuck - I don't know how to get the shower faucet apart?
> > I posted 15 pictures of the steps here
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/sets/72157603940232052/
>
> It might be hard to see the key pics so to help you help me, I just made
> extensive annotations of the pics for you to help me.
>
> This is basically where I startedhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2484369038/in/set-7215760394023...
>
> And, this is basically where I'm stuck!http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2483559087/in/set-7215760394023...
>
> Do you know what next to remove to get this Delta shower faucet apart?
> Thanks,
> Donna
The big brass ring that you point to and say "This doesn't have a flat
spot" needs to come off, with Channellocks or a pipe wrench (gently).
It spins off counter-clockwise. It is holding the cartridge in (the
main white plastic part). Typically Delta's have a couple of rubber
"cups" on the back of the cartridge that can be replaced to stop a
leak. If the cartridge is bad, it will be pretty expensive. The last
one like yours I had to replace had frozen. :-(
JK
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, May 11 2008 5:55 pm
From: Big_Jake
On May 11, 7:39 pm, Big_Jake <I.do.realest...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 11, 4:07 pm, Donna <donnaoh...@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
> > > I'm stuck - I don't know how to get the shower faucet apart?
> > > I posted 15 pictures of the steps here
> > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/sets/72157603940232052/
>
> > It might be hard to see the key pics so to help you help me, I just made
> > extensive annotations of the pics for you to help me.
>
> > This is basically where I startedhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2484369038/in/set-7215760394023...
>
> > And, this is basically where I'm stuck!http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2483559087/in/set-7215760394023...
>
> > Do you know what next to remove to get this Delta shower faucet apart?
> > Thanks,
> > Donna
>
> The big brass ring that you point to and say "This doesn't have a flat
> spot" needs to come off, with Channellocks or a pipe wrench (gently).
> It spins off counter-clockwise. It is holding the cartridge in (the
> main white plastic part). Typically Delta's have a couple of rubber
> "cups" on the back of the cartridge that can be replaced to stop a
> leak. If the cartridge is bad, it will be pretty expensive. The last
> one like yours I had to replace had frozen. :-(
>
> JK
Gosh I hope you turned the water off, both sides, first...
JK
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, May 11 2008 7:45 pm
From: Donna
On Sun, 11 May 2008 17:40:41 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/64rlmo
Hi Joe,
That was a great idea to poke around the Delta site.
http://www.deltafaucet.com/wps/portal/deltacom/kcxml/04_Sj9SPykssy0xPLMnMz0vM0Y_QjzKLNzSPN3cNBMmB2WGO-pGoggHxZk5IYkH63vq-Hvm5qfoB-gW5oRHljo6KAB45wpM!/delta/base64xml/L3dJdyEvd0ZNQUFzQUMvNElVRS82XzE3XzdFUg!!?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=http://render1.deltafaucet.com/wps/wcm/connect/www.deltafaucet.com/Customer+Support/Frequently+Asked+Questions/Leaks/My+Tub+or+Shower+faucet+leaks
I found this exploded diagram:
http://tinyurl.com/5fb5y3
Which I reproduced in the slide show on flickr at:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/sets/72157603940232052/show/with/2484362698/
Specifically, it's this picture in the set:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2484557563/in/set-72157603940232052/
I see some people say to remove the "escutcheon" and others say leave it
be. Unfortunately, from the exploded diagram above, I can't tell still how
to remove the "cartridge".
Can someone confirm if I have to remove the escutcheon (which means cutting
it away from the tile since it seems glued in) or if I have to somehow
twist out the "cartridge"?
Thanks for your help - without you - I'd never have the courage to try
this!
Donna
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, May 11 2008 8:00 pm
From: Donna
On Sun, 11 May 2008 15:52:35 -0700 (PDT), caloo calay wrote:
> Try going to Home Depot et al, and find the "kit" that repairs
> your faucet. Then you will be able to identify what needs to come out.
Hi Caloo Calay,
I did go to Home Depot, armed with the printout of the photographs.
Unfortunately, we didn't find ANYTHING that matched this faucet!
The store person suggested I take the Delta faucet apart and come in with
the parts in my hand.
Of course, that's where the problem is.
I can't figure out the next step in disassembly.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2484557563/in/set-72157603940232052/
It looks like two options were suggested here:
a) Cut away the escutcheon with a knife and see if there is something
behind it to remove ... or ...
b) Grab the post sticking out with channel locks and try to twist it out by
force ...
To get a better handle on the next step (i.e., a or b above), I tried
calling Delta Customer Support at 1-800-345-DELTA (800-345-3358) but they
were closed for the weekend. So I emailed them at
customerservice@deltafaucet.com and I hope to get a response.
Meanwhile, I appreciate any and all help you guys can provide as it's not
obvious to me, and, whatever you help with, the next person with the same
problem will have this information in the archives to benefit from.
Donna
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, May 11 2008 8:06 pm
From: Donna
On Sun, 11 May 2008 17:48:38 -0600, hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
> IIRC, you need to remove the escutcheon (The big silver plate that
> covers the hole) In behind it, you'll probably find a big U shaped
> brass or spring steel retainer clip that holds the plastic cartridge
> in place in the housing. Pull up on it to remove it.
Here's a Delta diagram of what's behind the "escutcheon".
http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2484557563/in/set-72157603940232052/
That exploded diagram might help you understand what's next - but - it
doesn't help me figure out what's the next part to remove.
I've heard two different answers ... which one is the right one?
That is, should I cut off the escutcheon with a knife or should I try to
pull or twist the brass tube thingey with channel locks?
Donna
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, May 11 2008 8:06 pm
From: Big_Jake
On May 11, 9:45 pm, Donna <donnaoh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 11 May 2008 17:40:41 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> >http://tinyurl.com/64rlmo
>
> Hi Joe,
> That was a great idea to poke around the Delta site.http://www.deltafaucet.com/wps/portal/deltacom/kcxml/04_Sj9SPykssy0xP...
>
> I found this exploded diagram:
>
http://tinyurl.com/5fb5y3
> Which I reproduced in the slide show on flickr at:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/sets/72157603940232052/show/wit...
>
> Specifically, it's this picture in the set:http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2484557563/in/set-7215760394023...
>
> I see some people say to remove the "escutcheon" and others say leave it
> be. Unfortunately, from the exploded diagram above, I can't tell still how
> to remove the "cartridge".
>
> Can someone confirm if I have to remove the escutcheon (which means cutting
> it away from the tile since it seems glued in) or if I have to somehow
> twist out the "cartridge"?
>
> Thanks for your help - without you - I'd never have the courage to try
> this!
>
> Donna
The diagram is for a "ball type" Delta faucet, which is not what you
have. Spin the brass ring off with a pipe wrench or channellocks
(gently) and then pull the cartridge out. MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE
WATER OFF, and let the water pressure out of hot and cold before you
do this, or you will get really wet, and might send parts flying as
you take it apart.
Here is a pictorial of what you need to do, but I still don't think
you need to take off the escutcheon.
http://www.hammerzone.com/archives/plumbing/bathtub/faucet1/deltarot/replseal.html
JK
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, May 11 2008 5:48 pm
From: Logan Shaw
hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sun, 11 May 2008 15:31:31 -0700 (PDT), caloo calay
> <user132384@aol.com> wrote:
>> Since the governing folks / market manipulators have managed very
>> well to create inflation I was wondering if we could get in on the
>> deal. The big money is going to profit from it somehow, so why can't
>> Joe Sixpack ???
> Automaker stocks. The market for new ultra-fuel-efficient cars is now
> firmly established. The automakers who can get to that marketshare
> with inexpensive cars first will win. My bets are Ford and
> Volkswagen. Ford is motivated, VW is looking to build new plants in
> the U.S.
Possibly true, but like any disruptive change, there will be winners and
losers. The automakers who don't put the right priority on that, or who
do but who fail to come up with a good design / product, will suffer.
Of course, I suppose that applies to anything where you'd try to profit
from a changing environment...
- Logan
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, May 11 2008 7:38 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com
On Sun, 11 May 2008 19:48:10 -0500, Logan Shaw
<lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 May 2008 15:31:31 -0700 (PDT), caloo calay
>> <user132384@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>> Since the governing folks / market manipulators have managed very
>>> well to create inflation I was wondering if we could get in on the
>>> deal. The big money is going to profit from it somehow, so why can't
>>> Joe Sixpack ???
>
>> Automaker stocks. The market for new ultra-fuel-efficient cars is now
>> firmly established. The automakers who can get to that marketshare
>> with inexpensive cars first will win. My bets are Ford and
>> Volkswagen. Ford is motivated, VW is looking to build new plants in
>> the U.S.
>
>Possibly true, but like any disruptive change, there will be winners and
>losers. The automakers who don't put the right priority on that, or who
>do but who fail to come up with a good design / product, will suffer.
>
>Of course, I suppose that applies to anything where you'd try to profit
>from a changing environment...
>
> - Logan
Dude, of course. Hedge your bets.
Don't buy wheat futures. We are all planting the stuff here and it is
coming up fine.
Don't go for the gold. Too little, too late.
Interestingly enough, the last SciAm mentioned being able to bet on
Hillary vsMcCain. Didn't mention B. Any invesment strategy has to
consider which will be a factor in the next four years.
This all gets too complicated for Rod and the Chinese spammers. I'm
considering a website for ex-MCFLers.
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